EP 157: Is Our Culture Incentivizing Men to Transition? with Sascha Bailey
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- Guest, Sascha Bailey, reflects on his journey as a model, art curator, and pioneer in the NFT (Non-Fungible Tokens) art scene. A captivating account of the intersection where art, tech, and culture collide with personal identity. Sascha differentiates between emotional and functional motives for transitioning, discussing transmaxxing, incentives, and societal trends. Offering listeners a blend of unexpected insights, even challenging hosts, Sasha and Stella, to step outside their familiar gender-centric framework.
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The women in our company are given grants to attain a free MBA - men have to pay for the course themselves.
One incredibly important aspect which many desisted/detransitioned people have stated influenced their desire to transition is isolation. This is where so many teenagers find themselves as there is very little social life opportunities for teenagers in real life so they spend an immense amount of time online. When isolation is coupled with immersion in the online world and tech platforms, from fan fic to gaming to art and erotic/ online spaces, teenagers are vulnerable in a unique way to (mostly adult) influencers who populate those spaces. These are experiences which can cause significant disassociation from ones body and at the same time making one focus on their own body as a canvass, as primarily a sexual object rather than giving opportunities for them to develop as a whole person.
The other piece that is so telling: "I don't know what it means to feel like a female so how can this feeling be that? This feeling probably means something else". That's it. Perfectly and concisely said.
JENNIFER BILEK has been doing vital work on this topic for at least the past 3 years! Transhumanism is the final destination of the gender industry and should be a part of your conversations too. . Her analysis is one that is very smart and clarifying. Regardless of what group you are in. Would you not give her some time and space on your show?
How did the idea that using sex-based pronouns is rude begin? It is SUCH a ridiculous idea.
I was starting to have a glimmer of hope that the transmania had reached its zenith and was perhaps waning. Hearing this conversation makes me realize it is taking a whole new turn with the incentivized or "functional" reasons. It makes perfect sense.
I found that Sascha Bailey really had a unique perspective on the subject. The whole environment factoring in to decisions to transition in youth was something that I never thought of. It reminds me of some stories of parents who took their kids away to the country or to a country where they had other family and these kids desisted. It also made me think that maybe it can be about control for some young people or anybody for that matter, sort of like bulimia anorexia or other eating disorders. It really was a fresh perspective. I notice that in the art world, even in my small city, the language is very much about inclusivity, diversity, and specific to my region, so I can see how, if even unknowingly, people start to identify as something different. If you can identify yourself, even as non-binary in a field that is so competitive, you might just get attention. The people getting awarded and rewarded are often in these 'marginalized' groups.
I find myself wanting to listen again to " Embodiment" by Known Heretic. It is everyone's birthright to appreciate our bodies, our health.
I really agree that we need to consider gender dysphoria as sometimes a symptom of a larger self dysphoria. We also need to consider the issue of disembodiment which seems to be ever increasing. Over all when we look back at this time and it’s consequences the two most useful phrases in considering history will likely apply “it seemed like a good idea at the time” and when we consider the outcomes “I didn’t see that coming”.
What really resonated with me is that transition is just a moment of time a 'poscard' and the after this what do you do? You are still the same person and the world is still there. From watching people who are 'happy transitionors' just parade their scars and new clothes and whatever, but they don't actually live their lives and actually do 5hings
The "adults can do whatever they want with their bodies" argument would be valid if this were being presented as the body modification that it is and not a medical treatment. If there is no diagnostic criteria for it, and there isn't under affirmation and self ID, then A) Medicaid shouldn't be paying for it and B) it should t be treated like a medical intervention. Because it's being treated like a medical intervention without being regulated, it's not ethical to offer to adults either. It's totally different for an adult to say "I want this because I just do" than it is to take a mentally ill adult and tell them that if they don't do this, they'll kills themselves and the source of all their sadness is their genitals. We talk about consent but never coercion and mentally ill adults require some level of safeguards as well.
Another guest who has blown my socks off… insightful and whip smart! Have a wonderful life Sacha! And thankyou for putting yourself out there to inform people of some the many facets of the desire to transition.
Really enjoyed listening to this Sascha Bailey. “Something is taken from you. . “ That describes it perfectly.
I love listening to you beautiful women listening!!! I’m in training as a therapist and you teach me a lot about deep listening. Thank you 🙏🏽❤️
Fascinated about the tech on the spectrum man wanting to transition. Bc they would look at their body like a vehicle or machine they can build. I work with autistic young adults at a local highschool. I see this type of personality everyDay!!
As a female, this is the first guest whose experience I’ve related to. I also had CSA and identified as a boy/man at many points in my life to escape. My childhood was mostly good but there were problems and I didn’t fit in very well with girls. I used the identity of male to be and to mentally escape my school bullies.
This is a fascinating conversation! What an interesting perspective from Sascha! Sometimes I wonder about the future of body modification surgeries, in the context of transhumanism, and the medical ethics of that. Also, I'm reminded of a former relationship I had with a man who worked in tech. He decided to stop eating food and drink nutrition shakes called Soylent instead. He was willing to give up all the physical joys of eating just to maximize his productivity.
David Bailey, his father, who Stella refers to as a renowned photographer, was known within the London fashion & arts circles as being a bad man. He was horribly abusive of young women; a ferocious misogynist.
Fascinating! At my daughter's school all the girls are NB because being a woman is hard and unfair