Oh, also, was the only malfunction you speak of in regard to the Lancer the one you described when the mag was filled to max and the first round had a rough time gettin in there?
@@joebauers3746 So I have had this same type of issues happen 3 times so far, it appears when they are completely full it just has a hard time stripping the round.
@@zacharybatten Yea, probably just from an overly stiff spring. I bet it would be fine if you only put 25-28 rounds in it or if you loaded with 30 rounds and left it in the gun for a long time. Or... if you used it many times. Also, just completely loading it and unloading it repeatedly many times will loosen up the spring.
just like PMAGs lancer has the clock you can find the month and year those mags were made, PMAGs have the months in a clock so November 22 would be the 11 oclock position then 22 in that clock at least my Nov22 Lancers are that way.
@@David_Quinn_Photography did not know that! I think so far I still gotta go PMAG, had occasional issues with the lancers even in an open bolt machine gun
I don’t believe you can go wrong with either one! I personally use the Lancers more just because I found them on sale for $11.99 a while back and bought a ton of them. I have a few magpul also and they have been fantastic also
Who cares about aesthetic of the magazine. My lancers and pmags are ROUGH looking. There all used heavily by blank/live fire during traning, exposure to heat and cold and friction from being in pouches exposed while low crawling. Both function just fine. The feed lips on my lancers almost have no finish left on them.
I know a lot of people like lancers for pics on Instagram. In a way the translucent smoke was kind of a reason for wanting to get them cause they do look cool
@@zacharybatten I got translucents becuase it's not as flashy as the clear or colored or colored ones, but I can still see how many rounds I truly have. Vs pmags there apples and oranges, but pmags do be cheaper and "feel" less flimsy.
@@TALIZ0RAH yeah I noticed the flimsy feeling but I don’t think it’s concerning. But I kinda view them as the same kind of concept surrounding the intended usage.
Lancer mags WILL get you killed! I bought at least 30 and only used 5 as range mags and training. These magazine followers stick when slightly dirty or not. Fill one completely up and wack the bottom of it and watch those rounds fly out. They have horrible feeding issues when you least expect it. No wonder the military actually brushed them aside, gimmick magazine. I’ve run the crap out of my PMag M3’ and Duramag SS’s and NEVER not even once did I ever have an issue which could never say that for lancers.
5:48 same issue with 7.62 NATO; A combination between friction of steel feed lips and brass case and INSANE spring pressure causing malfs (first ~3 rounds). No problem with G3 Pmags nor KAC SR25s (sample size of 10 each) Flitz metal polish applied with cloth Dremel tip on the interior portion of feed lips did nothing to ameliorate the issue. Lancers are well made and durable but even when loading rounds the difference in quality becomes apparent.
Think Lancer mag probably cost a little more for the metal in the feed lips. I do metal fab in a shop and the price we pay for steel has doubled in the last year, F JB. Also metal feed lips maybe less advantages for what you said earlier, if you get around lodged at a bad angle, the metal lips not having the flex of the pmag may make it harder to pull the mag. A little flex can be a good thing as long as that threshold is sufficiently above the point that might be achieved through normal usage, occasional butter finger drops or what might be expirenced if you trip and fall or dive for cover on your weapon.
Correct, but what I was getting at is that it appears to be slightly unclear as to what indicates how many you have left. PMAG has that orange paint on the spring but Lancer as far as I am aware do not say what is your round count indicator. Based on how the numbers are I would assume you use your rounds for this. So if the rounds are at the 30 mark you have 30
@@Happycamper808 True, but my point is what is done at the factory it is hard to determine what the rounds left are. As I gave the example of how Magpul uses the orange spray paint on the spring to indicate it, it isn't clear what you are supposed to use for Lancers
I was more referring to the idea that despite the PMAGs getting dirty you don't have to worry about them getting so dirty that you cannot easily tell how many rounds are left. But I will say I have not had the best of luck with lancers, I stick to the PMAGs or USGI aluminums
Hmm.. I bet you could paint the Lancer magazines spring orange to correlate with the round count markings to allow it to have the same reading as the Magpul. I have plenty of Magpul mags, only a few with the window. I just picked up 8 Lancer mags, 4 x translucent clear and 4 x translucent black, for $120 shipped second hand but still in their packaging. Magpul is proud of their 3rd gen window mags and I’ve never seen them for $15 a piece shipped. I’d disagree that the metal feed lips don’t matter on ARs though. Drop that Magpul mag on its plastic feed lips when it’s full on concrete and then repeat 10 times, and I don’t think the lips would survive. Either way, I like both of them. I have a few ETS mags and a few Hexmags that are decent too, but no where the quality of either Magpul or Lancer.
Personally, I think the major issue wit the Lancers I have is how easy they are to overload. They take like 32 or more rounds so easily you don't even realize you have done it unless you count the rounds. I have good luck with them in an open bolt machine gun till the other day I had two malfunctions in the same mag. I think sticking to PMAGS is the best option or with Aluminum USGI mags
I have both brand of mags and if you are a little anal about how your things look the PMAG is the better option my Lancer is black because I use and abuse my tools, I personally find the carbon cool with in the mag it gives it that battle hardened look.
Mine specifically? Been using the Lancers in a machine gun primarily but notice some issues here and there still. Even with making sure I’m not overloading the magazine they like to occasionally fail to feed on the first round. They do it significantly less often compared to my closed bolt ARs but an open bolt machine gun seems to do better
Interestingly while watching this myself I noticed that those two lancer mags have some different markings, not sure if one is an older generation.
Oh, also, was the only malfunction you speak of in regard to the Lancer the one you described when the mag was filled to max and the first round had a rough time gettin in there?
@@joebauers3746 So I have had this same type of issues happen 3 times so far, it appears when they are completely full it just has a hard time stripping the round.
@@zacharybatten Yea, probably just from an overly stiff spring. I bet it would be fine if you only put 25-28 rounds in it or if you loaded with 30 rounds and left it in the gun for a long time. Or... if you used it many times. Also, just completely loading it and unloading it repeatedly many times will loosen up the spring.
just like PMAGs lancer has the clock you can find the month and year those mags were made, PMAGs have the months in a clock so November 22 would be the 11 oclock position then 22 in that clock at least my Nov22 Lancers are that way.
@@David_Quinn_Photography did not know that! I think so far I still gotta go PMAG, had occasional issues with the lancers even in an open bolt machine gun
I don’t believe you can go wrong with either one!
I personally use the Lancers more just because I found them on sale for $11.99 a while back and bought a ton of them.
I have a few magpul also and they have been fantastic also
I’ve had zero issues with the PMAG’s, great magazines but I want to try the Laceration ones out soon. I like that translucent look, very cool.
I am still experiencing failures to chamber from a bolt locked BCM but they run great in my open bolt full auto no issues at all.
Laceration? That’s kind of extreme, lol.
Who cares about aesthetic of the magazine. My lancers and pmags are ROUGH looking. There all used heavily by blank/live fire during traning, exposure to heat and cold and friction from being in pouches exposed while low crawling. Both function just fine.
The feed lips on my lancers almost have no finish left on them.
I know a lot of people like lancers for pics on Instagram. In a way the translucent smoke was kind of a reason for wanting to get them cause they do look cool
@@zacharybatten I got translucents becuase it's not as flashy as the clear or colored or colored ones, but I can still see how many rounds I truly have. Vs pmags there apples and oranges, but pmags do be cheaper and "feel" less flimsy.
@@TALIZ0RAH yeah I noticed the flimsy feeling but I don’t think it’s concerning. But I kinda view them as the same kind of concept surrounding the intended usage.
Lancer mags WILL get you killed! I bought at least 30 and only used 5 as range mags and training. These magazine followers stick when slightly dirty or not. Fill one completely up and wack the bottom of it and watch those rounds fly out. They have horrible feeding issues when you least expect it. No wonder the military actually brushed them aside, gimmick magazine. I’ve run the crap out of my PMag M3’ and Duramag SS’s and NEVER not even once did I ever have an issue which could never say that for lancers.
I'd like to see a detailed strip down and review of your WASR 10/63 for sure. Shooting footage is also appreciated. Thanks for the vid
Thanks, I will definitely do that soon once I get some shooting footage. I really have not shot that gun a whole lot but I will next time I can.
GunMag Warehouse has green translucent and the clear Lancer 30rd mags for $12.99 right now(5/22/24)
5:48 same issue with 7.62 NATO; A combination between friction of steel feed lips and brass case and INSANE spring pressure causing malfs (first ~3 rounds). No problem with G3 Pmags nor KAC SR25s (sample size of 10 each) Flitz metal polish applied with cloth Dremel tip on the interior portion of feed lips did nothing to ameliorate the issue. Lancers are well made and durable but even when loading rounds the difference in quality becomes apparent.
Think Lancer mag probably cost a little more for the metal in the feed lips. I do metal fab in a shop and the price we pay for steel has doubled in the last year, F JB.
Also metal feed lips maybe less advantages for what you said earlier, if you get around lodged at a bad angle, the metal lips not having the flex of the pmag may make it harder to pull the mag. A little flex can be a good thing as long as that threshold is sufficiently above the point that might be achieved through normal usage, occasional butter finger drops or what might be expirenced if you trip and fall or dive for cover on your weapon.
I completely agree, FJB.
You may want to leave the Lancer mag loaded for a couple of weeks to take some tension off of the spring. That might be the problem.
Lancer mags do have a round count on the mag for 30 and 20 with any translucent style lancer magazine
Correct, but what I was getting at is that it appears to be slightly unclear as to what indicates how many you have left. PMAG has that orange paint on the spring but Lancer as far as I am aware do not say what is your round count indicator. Based on how the numbers are I would assume you use your rounds for this. So if the rounds are at the 30 mark you have 30
@@zacharybatten you could just draw a line on the lancer mag with a sharpie lol
@@Happycamper808 True, but my point is what is done at the factory it is hard to determine what the rounds left are. As I gave the example of how Magpul uses the orange spray paint on the spring to indicate it, it isn't clear what you are supposed to use for Lancers
Mags get dirty... it's just a part of life. I prefer the lancer mags even when suppressed.
I was more referring to the idea that despite the PMAGs getting dirty you don't have to worry about them getting so dirty that you cannot easily tell how many rounds are left. But I will say I have not had the best of luck with lancers, I stick to the PMAGs or USGI aluminums
Hmm.. I bet you could paint the Lancer magazines spring orange to correlate with the round count markings to allow it to have the same reading as the Magpul.
I have plenty of Magpul mags, only a few with the window. I just picked up 8 Lancer mags, 4 x translucent clear and 4 x translucent black, for $120 shipped second hand but still in their packaging.
Magpul is proud of their 3rd gen window mags and I’ve never seen them for $15 a piece shipped.
I’d disagree that the metal feed lips don’t matter on ARs though. Drop that Magpul mag on its plastic feed lips when it’s full on concrete and then repeat 10 times, and I don’t think the lips would survive.
Either way, I like both of them. I have a few ETS mags and a few Hexmags that are decent too, but no where the quality of either Magpul or Lancer.
Get a adjustable gas block then Suppressed will not be any dirtier than non suppressed. Odin Works is probably the best one.
I don't know whats good anymore...some say pmag are junk and lancer are great now you're saying the opposite.😅
Personally, I think the major issue wit the Lancers I have is how easy they are to overload. They take like 32 or more rounds so easily you don't even realize you have done it unless you count the rounds. I have good luck with them in an open bolt machine gun till the other day I had two malfunctions in the same mag. I think sticking to PMAGS is the best option or with Aluminum USGI mags
I have both brand of mags and if you are a little anal about how your things look the PMAG is the better option my Lancer is black because I use and abuse my tools, I personally find the carbon cool with in the mag it gives it that battle hardened look.
What ever happened with these?
Mine specifically? Been using the Lancers in a machine gun primarily but notice some issues here and there still. Even with making sure I’m not overloading the magazine they like to occasionally fail to feed on the first round. They do it significantly less often compared to my closed bolt ARs but an open bolt machine gun seems to do better