5.56 Magazines Stored Loaded For 7 Years - Because Science.. Bro

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  • @johnnybobtrucker4416
    @johnnybobtrucker4416  Před 11 měsíci +72

    Mags were all loaded to 31... whoops.
    The steel mag is a C-products.
    Here's a video I did on my poor gear --- czcams.com/video/GEc2iQ1wjRE/video.htmlsi=sjdFYVKLh9g0Xulb

    • @MrGametamer
      @MrGametamer Před 11 měsíci +16

      Point proven even more so.

    • @jackmclane1826
      @jackmclane1826 Před 11 měsíci +2

      I just wanted to smart ass as I always count shots... ;)
      Daym!

    • @bloodyblade916
      @bloodyblade916 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Thanks for the info and science sir wink wink ,the argument is now solved thanks to you sir !

    • @johnnybobtrucker4416
      @johnnybobtrucker4416  Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@bloodyblade916 No problemo

    • @detachmentbravo2-6
      @detachmentbravo2-6 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Good video man . Not something you see every day.

  • @chrismcrae4652
    @chrismcrae4652 Před 11 měsíci +745

    Way ahead of ya, im 70 years old. I had 40+ various m16 magazines loaded up with 30 rounds and stowed away since 1983. That's 38 years loaded. 2 years ago the debate came up again so we decided to test them all thru 2 ar15s and a US marine Corp M16. To shorten this story, they all worked perfectly, mags, ammo, rifles. So I've never give the issue a second thought. Yes it was a blast

    • @johnnybobtrucker4416
      @johnnybobtrucker4416  Před 11 měsíci +71

      That would be the end all be all of videos if it were filmed man. Good to know.

    • @reboundrides8132
      @reboundrides8132 Před 11 měsíci +21

      You are the real mvp sir

    • @austin5060
      @austin5060 Před 11 měsíci +23

      Wish you had filmed it man you could a been the king of CZcams magazine debates

    • @Semperf11
      @Semperf11 Před 11 měsíci +6

      Nice good to read this

    • @AnarchistFun101
      @AnarchistFun101 Před 11 měsíci +6

      Invaluable feedback. Much appreciated.

  • @hdrew983
    @hdrew983 Před 11 měsíci +337

    Whats most concerning is hearing that 2016 was 7 years ago 😂 time flies

  • @ChicagoHOG27
    @ChicagoHOG27 Před 10 měsíci +35

    About a year ago, a couple of guys kicked in my front door at 9 pm. My wife and kids were gearing up for bed. I didn't have any magazines loaded up, so I kindly asked the intruders to give me about 90 seconds to locate a box of ammo and load one up. They were nice enough to wait by the door, but the first guy was a real stickler on the 90 seconds. Needless to say, I was able to come out of my room guns hot - ready. I haven't seen my wife and kids since then, but man were they nice.

  • @EternallyThankful-os6pz
    @EternallyThankful-os6pz Před 10 měsíci +5

    This backs up what I had seen from at least one other guy that did a five-year full mag storage test...he had ZERO issues with multiple mags as well. I cycle my mags every year - and because of you and that one other guy - I have all the confidence in the world they will function 100%...thanks very much for taking the time to share this valuable information !!

  • @whiskerbiscuit99
    @whiskerbiscuit99 Před 11 měsíci +31

    Ive had 50+ pmags loaded to capacity for a couple years now. Its not compression, its cycles that affect these kinds of springs

    • @johnnybobtrucker4416
      @johnnybobtrucker4416  Před 11 měsíci

      Absolutely right

    • @newerest1
      @newerest1 Před 11 měsíci

      not true at all, a spring can easily be permantly be damaged from being compressed too much. it's called plastic deformation.

    • @TUKByV
      @TUKByV Před 11 měsíci +13

      "Compressed too much". So, tell us, is that what's happening when a 30-round magazine is holding 30 rounds? Please state your sources in your reply. @@newerest1

    • @smaccattack9228
      @smaccattack9228 Před 11 měsíci

      @@TUKByV he’s full of it, and it has been proven multiple times

  • @tactical-daddy
    @tactical-daddy Před 11 měsíci +85

    Mags can be stored loaded or unloaded, it doesn't matter. There is no undue wear on the spring. A spring wears out when it is exercised or expanded and contracted such as loading then unloading a magazine or loading then mag dumping. This only happens over time however (barring a defective spring). The only potential issue with loading a mag and storing it that way is ammo issues but that depends on how and where the mag is stored and the general environment of the area. In a bandolier inside your home where the home is A/Cd and thus temperature and moisture controlled, fine. In a garage? Probably not. I personally keep mine loaded and then stored in an ammo can with a good rubber o-ring seal then toss in a couple of those silicate moisture absorption packs for good measure.

    • @rediron44
      @rediron44 Před 11 měsíci +3

      Thats kinda what I always thought. Springs wear from being used, compressed and released. Not sitting, compressed or not. Using mags may fatigue the spring. Not leaving it compressed

    • @JohnDoeEagle1
      @JohnDoeEagle1 Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@rediron44
      Not true at all and this is the biggest myth in the firearm community. Many "gun guys" can't even change their own oil or a flat tire. They have no mechanical aptitude whatsoever. If they did they would know "classic cars" left setting for long periods of time almost always need new shocks and leaf/coil springs before they are road worthy again. Many "gun guys" aren't knife guys also. If so they would know you can't store switchblades with the blade closed for years and years. You pull out a 1950s/60s Italian Stiletto out of a gun cabinet left setting closed and it lost all of it's oomph and won't fire hard enough to lock the blade open. Many "gun guys" aren't archery or bow guys as well. If so they would know you can't leave a bow or crossbow stored for years without having to have to go all back through it to replace the string at bare minimum and check for cracked limbs before you shoot it again.
      Know your facts and stop spreading opinions and misinformation.

    • @GunnyO326
      @GunnyO326 Před 11 měsíci +12

      @@JohnDoeEagle1 You do know that most of what you said is either half truths or total BS, right?
      Automatic knives don't lose their tension strength through sitting unattended, it's through excessive cycling, never mind the fact that OTF knives aren't even under spring tension when closed. Modern compound bows can absolutely be stored strung indefinitely, provided you're not storing the bow resting on it's limbs. Only wood bows and classic or recurve bows should be stored with the string removed to prevent deformation of the limbs. As far as bad struts on sitting cars, well that's not so much an issue with the strut spring but rather the dampener itself which is pneumatic and rotting seals may result in gas leakage thus reducing the efficacy of the strut subassembly.
      Ad yes, I do have reasonable mechanical aptitude as I perform all of my own maintenance on my own cars and guns. I also keep a respectable collection of automatic knives, some of which I've had for about 30 years with scant use and no discernible change in performance.
      Also get this, I'm also an archer, believe it or not, and I know for a fact that modern compound bows do not need their strings removed prior to long term storage. I only wax the strings on my rarely used bows a couple of times per year, more often for my more commonly used bows. As far as limbs cracking, that's just not going to happen in storage unless you're dropping the bow on its limbs, which I would never recommend, or storing immense weight on the the bow's limbs, also not recommended.

    • @oldvet7566
      @oldvet7566 Před 11 měsíci

      ​@@JohnDoeEagle1more than full of sh1t

    • @oldvet7566
      @oldvet7566 Před 11 měsíci +1

      I have loaded and waiting, some I fired after over a decade and reloaded just fine.

  • @TUKByV
    @TUKByV Před 11 měsíci +134

    It's frustrating to see this needs discussing over and over, but I appreciate that some folks have the patience to do so. Then there's those who will argue the results, even when actual experts on the matter have spoken on the topic.

    • @joeydehart3429
      @joeydehart3429 Před 11 měsíci +2

      What experts, I have not seen any expert data on this? Please do not take my question as factious I am genuinely curious.

    • @-John-Doe-
      @-John-Doe- Před 11 měsíci +10

      @@joeydehart3429 this question is very common so it’s usually answered by instructors -> engineering principles -> industry manufacturers.
      On paper, a spring won’t degrade if left compressed within its design parameters.
      Springs degrade from repeated cycling.
      They also degrade from exceeding their load parameters.
      _(Look up on wiki:
      Stress Relaxation - is a response to strain, strain is relative deformation from a reference position or configuration.
      Elastic deformations cease to exist after the stress field is removed. Plastic deformations are permanent and occur once attaining the elastic limit.
      Creep - This is long term, high stress, below the yield strength, which causes slow deformation)_
      A properly designed spring _shouldn‘t_ have issues.

    • @JazmynnJones
      @JazmynnJones Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@joeydehart3429Travis Pike for one, wrote an article on it. Long story short, this is the part that is relevant.
      “Magazine springs won’t wear much from being left compressed. The truth is that compression and expansion cycles wear springs out, like the repeated filling then emptying of a magazine. “
      So if you keep some loaded ones in your go bag and use some others all the time , but keep them unloaded when not in use, the go bag mags will be more reliable as they aren’t always being used…

    • @caleboldhouser478
      @caleboldhouser478 Před 11 měsíci +1

      I keep mine ready.

    • @JohnDoeEagle1
      @JohnDoeEagle1 Před 11 měsíci

      @@-John-Doe-
      Anybody that has a classic car or a old switchblade knows none of this is true. I'd like to see you take that "barn find" all original survivor out on a drive without having suspension springs and shocks looked at and replaced. Also none of these turkeys are knife guys either from their replies. Have you ever pulled out a old 1950/60s Italian Stiletto switchblade that was left and stored closed for many years? It lost all it's oomph and doesn't have enough kick to even fire and lock the blade anymore. People should stop repeating what they heard and read then get some real world experience offline.

  • @all4christ52
    @all4christ52 Před 10 měsíci +10

    I got 5 fully loaded AR mags from 2016 and was never worried about them getting worn out from the spring compression... Good to know. Plus 2016 is 7 years ago? Wow lol.

  • @mikeblast7507
    @mikeblast7507 Před 11 měsíci +11

    I admit I never bothered with the science of it, but I always leave my mags loaded (different brands, different calibers, different materials). If things go south, I want to be prepared. Never had a problem.

  • @kellyash45
    @kellyash45 Před 11 měsíci +27

    As a former military trainer, I say badass man! I didn't have the foresight to think about this but I'm happy as hell you did. Thank you, sir!

  • @kennywhite9283
    @kennywhite9283 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Dude I appreciate the info. For years I've listened to the Fan-boys argue over this & I'm happy you set it straight. Thanks🤠

  • @Mr_Clean
    @Mr_Clean Před 11 měsíci +12

    Springs don't wear out being compressed one time. They wear out being compressed over and over and over.

    • @intruder217ESmith
      @intruder217ESmith Před 11 měsíci

      Yep. Spring steel wears from multiple compression and expansion. 👍🏼

    • @scooter2161
      @scooter2161 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@intruder217ESmith and even then, a properly designed spring will never reasonably get to a point where it no longer works as intended. I’m talking like cycles in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions.
      It’s also really easy to see with brand new mags. The springs are really stiff initially, but after the first few cycles you can easily see the spring is lighter. Eventually it gets to a point where there’s no noticeable difference. The springs are designed to still function beyond that point, so they’ll essentially work forever. I’d expect a failure, if any, to be the spring breaking from cycling and storage in less than desirable conditions.

    • @David-hm9ic
      @David-hm9ic Před 11 měsíci

      @@scooter2161 The springs in my STI 2011 mags got too weak to function as expected at about 12,500 rounds each. They're probably lighter springs than for most production mags, though, since they're intended to allow 20 rounds to fit into a magazine that has a maximum allowable length per competition rules.

    • @scooter2161
      @scooter2161 Před 11 měsíci

      @@David-hm9ic ah interesting. Makes sense though.

  • @shadowfox871
    @shadowfox871 Před 11 měsíci +7

    thanks for this educational video. i'm a livestock herder. usually gotta keep on my toes for the coyotes. i'm always scared of long term storage of my ar15 mags with full loads. now i can be at peace with these livestock. God bless you !

  • @88997799
    @88997799 Před 11 měsíci +15

    It’s spring cycle that wears them out… not keeping them loaded. I’ve seen 45 pistol mags loaded from WWII era still work perfectly. They were loaded for over 60 years!

    • @gearbarrel6237
      @gearbarrel6237 Před 11 měsíci

      That’s awesome!

    • @Weimerica8841
      @Weimerica8841 Před 11 měsíci

      Yep, and even that takes a long time. Think about how many times your buffer spring has cycled without issue.

  • @nathanstrickland6508
    @nathanstrickland6508 Před 11 měsíci +8

    I always keep four magazines fully loaded in my AR case. You never know what might pop up in a second. I do the exact same thing with my 1911s, never had a problem with any of them. As long as the magazines are good, you are good to go. Most of the problems I've had with guns jamming. Have almost always been from bad magazines.

  • @Dudemanroman89
    @Dudemanroman89 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Thanks for the reassurance, unloaded my mags thinking the springs would wear out. Time to reload em!

  • @smiley112569
    @smiley112569 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I've kept mine loaded and have been for a while. I wondered about this. Glad I ran across this video and read some of the comments. Thanks

  • @David-hm9ic
    @David-hm9ic Před 11 měsíci +4

    The only time I've had problems with magazine springs wearing out was with shooting high volumes. It was with my STI Edge in .40 S&W and 20 round magazines. At around 50,000 rounds between the 4 mags I started having failures to feed because the springs were getting weak. That averages to 12,500 rounds per mag. Many shooters in the USPSA class in which I shoot number their magazines but mine aren't numbered so they probably got fairly close to equal use. When the problem developed I was at a big match and a vendor was there selling Arredondo springs so a quick change of springs restored the function 100%, I've kept other mags loaded for extended periods, without shooting with them and have not observed any noticeable deterioration of the springs.

  • @dwkmk3
    @dwkmk3 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Same here. Loaded 3 40rd AK Chinese mags in 1994 and ran all three through my AK last year. All without a hitch. 29 years loaded.

  • @tedr.richardson4655
    @tedr.richardson4655 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Thank you Sir, for proving what I've been saying for years....keep them LOADED

  • @Iceman8204
    @Iceman8204 Před 11 měsíci +8

    I am actually really glad to see this, I have 6 standard steel mags that have been sitting in the safe with M855 in them for around 5 years at this point and was worried that if the time came they would be worthless. I'll probably burn through them anyways soon since this video made me think about them. Wouldn't hurt to get new rounds in there.

  • @stephenurban9880
    @stephenurban9880 Před 11 měsíci +9

    Magpul claims the PMag cover is just a dust cover but it does indeed also take the pressure off the feed lips as it pushes the top round down.

    • @johnnybobtrucker4416
      @johnnybobtrucker4416  Před 11 měsíci +5

      Seems like it does, probably better off keeping pmags stored with it on.

    • @TedJ71
      @TedJ71 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Or buy Lancers, never have to worry about warped feed lips.

    • @stephenurban9880
      @stephenurban9880 Před 10 měsíci

      @@TedJ71 Lancers are my go to mag of choice

  • @scottmattoon9054
    @scottmattoon9054 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Thank you for sharing with us! Gives reassurance.

  • @chrisb6823
    @chrisb6823 Před 11 měsíci +11

    There was 1911 Mags and M1 carbine mags and BAR mags fully loaded for many years after WWII and still worked in Vet Nam, it is not the staying loaded that wears the spring out it is the use of the spring

  • @jasonsanders979
    @jasonsanders979 Před 11 měsíci +1

    The best thing about this video is now I know that in a gunfight with a would be criminal, I won't need to ask him to let me load my magazine first. Of course I have been told keeping them loaded weekens the spring, but in my opinion it only makes sense to keep them ready. Thanks!

  • @sylenzf4748
    @sylenzf4748 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Thanks. I needed to know that. I noticed in the comments a fella did the same thing with mags stored for over 30 years.

  • @terrynicewonger5434
    @terrynicewonger5434 Před 11 měsíci +2

    I can respect and Appreciate your time and efforts to try this…great video…Thank you

  • @camerondawnpeterson5100
    @camerondawnpeterson5100 Před 11 měsíci +3

    A spring doesn't wear out over time a spring wears out the more it is used/compressed. Depending on the material of the spring but likely soft steel

  • @thesorrow619
    @thesorrow619 Před 11 měsíci +8

    I was afraid of that. Since this is my first AR and it came with a polymer magazine. I was afraid of the lips deforming. But since this proved nothing happened, might just keep some mags loaded

  • @davidnelson5728
    @davidnelson5728 Před 11 měsíci +41

    I have personally done this test myself. Never have I had a problem. No matter how much you go over this issue, there will always be those that will say it destroys the mags.

    • @joeydehart3429
      @joeydehart3429 Před 11 měsíci

      I doubt it will but it is not worth the risk.

    • @ashsteele7361
      @ashsteele7361 Před 11 měsíci +5

      Found the guy who furthers the dumb.

    • @Weimerica8841
      @Weimerica8841 Před 11 měsíci +2

      ​@@ashsteele7361 at least he knows how springs work. if static compression wore them out, we would have to replace the springs in our car's suspension every year. those are also exposed to much more dynamic compression, still not a problem.
      so what is it, muh feed lips?

    • @ATSaale
      @ATSaale Před 11 měsíci

      I've heard of cheaper plastic mags splitting at the seams, but never an issue with the springs.

    • @JohnDoeEagle1
      @JohnDoeEagle1 Před 11 měsíci

      This is the biggest myth in the firearm community. Many "gun guys" can't even change their own oil or a flat tire. They have no mechanical aptitude whatsoever. If they did they would know "classic cars" left setting for long periods of time almost always need new shocks and leaf/coil springs before they are road worthy again. Many "gun guys" aren't knife guys also. If so they would know you can't store switchblades with the blade closed for years and years. You pull out a 1950s/60s Italian Stiletto out of a gun cabinet left setting closed and it lost all of it's oomph and won't fire hard enough to lock the blade open. Many "gun guys" aren't archery or bow guys as well. If so they would know you can't leave a bow or crossbow stored for years without having to have to go all back through it to replace the string at bare minimum and check for cracked limbs before you shoot it again.

  • @MayumiC-chan9377
    @MayumiC-chan9377 Před 11 měsíci +12

    My husband trained me and told me the same thing the mags will be okay loaded for long periods of time. My husband is a veteran and the magazines he was most comfortable with was the Galil 5.56 magazines which we have a lot of in our house. My husband trained me on both the Ar-15 platform (my favorite) and his Galil which he keeps calling the Vector R4. My husband is ex-SADF
    and now a level 3 security officer trainer in the Southwest USA. before my husband i only touched an airsoft rifle and that’s because i’m originally from Japan.

    • @YacolJ
      @YacolJ Před 11 měsíci

      Your husband is a man among men. He's making sure that if he isn't able to be around, that you will be able to. Ftr, the South Africans called their 5.56 Galils by this nomenclature. They were Galils that were licensed and manufactured in South Africa. Those guys are tough s.o.b's.

    • @AdolphH-jv9wu
      @AdolphH-jv9wu Před 11 měsíci

      I wish Germany and Japan would of won.

    • @YacolJ
      @YacolJ Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@AdolphH-jv9wu History didn't fall that way.

    • @AdolphH-jv9wu
      @AdolphH-jv9wu Před 11 měsíci

      @@YacolJ I see communist controlling my country like many others. Im quite aware.

    • @Iz0pen
      @Iz0pen Před 11 měsíci

      What are you talking about? All the top Not-Sees were put in high level government throughout Europe Russia & US, also science, Intel and on and on. Now they’re becoming active again in Ukraine and globally. It’s heating up son.

  • @SeanPR19
    @SeanPR19 Před 11 měsíci +3

    Thanks for sharing your science experiment with everyone!

  • @calliber1176
    @calliber1176 Před 11 měsíci +1

    One thing about the old M1 Garand clips is there spring steel and you never even have to think twice about them not working or a spring collapsing.

    • @David-hm9ic
      @David-hm9ic Před 11 měsíci

      There's still a spring in the magazine, though. In the Garand it's a fairly robust spring but if shot a lot the spring can weaken. If that sounds confusing to someone, the clip is inserted into the fixed magazine in the action of the Garand and in doing so, the magazine spring is compressed.

  • @BrucesRobots
    @BrucesRobots Před 11 měsíci +1

    I work with springs and coils in my day-to-day. You don't lose quality just cause its under its (tolerated) load for a long period of time. The issue is when in compresses and decompresses over and over and over and over...etc. This should really be a no brainer in todays discussions as the science for this has been out for a long time....

  • @breckenridgelong7692
    @breckenridgelong7692 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Its cool to see someone test this stuff IRL even if it is just anecdotal evidence. Most of the comments here are about the springs losing tension but I've always heard the problem is with the constant pressure from the ammo/springs forcing apart the feed lips which causes it to fail.

    • @johnnybobtrucker4416
      @johnnybobtrucker4416  Před 10 měsíci

      I purchased a few cheaper polymer mags and stored them for a few months. They were amend2 and MFT brand. After a relatively short period of time, I could see the feed lips bulging out, and if I gave them a tap, rounds would pop out. Quality metal mags are probably the best go for storage.The way I test the polymer mags is to fist-grip it and squeeze. Any significant flex means garbage.

  • @davidmuse8548
    @davidmuse8548 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Same result, but with a different gun. M1911 GI magazines, loaded for 13 years in an ammo box and forgotten until 2 years ago.

  • @Gunit0121
    @Gunit0121 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Thanks brother, did my research 9 years ago. Came to the same conclusion
    And no magazine or spring damage. Thanks again!

  • @robison87
    @robison87 Před 11 měsíci +5

    Ive heard the military has done tests shooting close to a million rounds through a single pmag and it still works even with all of the spring compression and relaxation. All I buy is gen 3 pmags now.

    • @johnnybobtrucker4416
      @johnnybobtrucker4416  Před 11 měsíci +2

      Wow, that's impressive.

    • @Featherless1
      @Featherless1 Před 11 měsíci

      Pmags are great until the top of them melts.... haven't shot too many full auto's have you. 😂

    • @robison87
      @robison87 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @featherless1828 I shoot full autos all of the time in call of duty warzone. 😏

    • @aPoorsPerspective
      @aPoorsPerspective Před 11 měsíci +1

      ​​@@Featherless1I use aluminum or steel. That gas block gets hot quick. At 900 rpm. 😬

    • @skyofstorms
      @skyofstorms Před 11 měsíci

      @@Featherless1 well in combat I would hope you're not cooking off that many rounds quickly. Platecarrier-chan's gonna get lonely real quick 😅

  • @DandoBorusu
    @DandoBorusu Před 11 měsíci +1

    Its not the video we wanted, it was the video we needed. thank you sir.

  • @theavgblueberry4489
    @theavgblueberry4489 Před 11 měsíci +1

    i feel that barrels pain from the green tip mag dumps lol

  • @bobailanjian3700
    @bobailanjian3700 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Like these vids where a guy mag dumps several mags...and the trigger finger vets slower and slower. Makes my arthritic fingers seem less a problem. Remember reading a story where they found some military mags that had been loaded since Korea, if I remember correctly. They all worked fine. They say it's a "spring" thing. Keeping it compressed is no problem. The constant cycling of the spring is what causes mag problems.

  • @bassfishinglakenorman5662
    @bassfishinglakenorman5662 Před 11 měsíci +2

    I heard debate on this a few years back if you should or should not store the mags loaded. Information was found where springs were studied to see if they lost strength under sustained load. They found that springs do not lose their strength left in compression.

    • @bigstabby
      @bigstabby Před 11 měsíci +1

      Yeah, it was found that springs do not wear out from a static state. They wear out from repeated compression and decompression. The example I remember was a car's shock springs. They are under constant compression, but a vehicle sitting forever will not wear them out. Driving/bouncing will wear them out overtime.

  • @theshapeexists
    @theshapeexists Před 11 měsíci +1

    I have gen 1, 2 and 3 pmags of both 7.62x39 and 556 mags that have been loaded for probably a decade. They function just fine still

  • @joshuayow4653
    @joshuayow4653 Před 10 měsíci +1

    In my younger years a bought some aluminum mags that apparently had bad roller designs or something, or perhaps it was the metal being too thin.
    Anyway they were sh*t straight out of the factory bag.
    Disappointed I bought the heftier steel mags, never had an issue for decades and swore by them... until I bought a new rifle 3 years ago with a pmag.
    I thought the pmag was going to be terrible, it was so unbelievably light in my hand, I took it to the range and put 300 rounds through it in the middle of the Texas summer, no problems.
    Firarms Technology has come a long way.

  • @DropItLikeItsScott
    @DropItLikeItsScott Před 10 měsíci +2

    Good test🤘 I have had 65 steel mags and 25 poly mags loaded for over a year and only a few of the poly mags had issues with the feed lips expanding which allowed the rounds to pop out. So I am possibly going all steel mags. ~Drop it like it's Scott

    • @johnnybobtrucker4416
      @johnnybobtrucker4416  Před 10 měsíci

      Good to know my friend. I'm thinking the same, metal mags are probably the best way to go.

  • @seamusoreilly804
    @seamusoreilly804 Před 10 měsíci +1

    This good to know. I have several P-mags and a couple metals loaded up in the safe for about the same length of time. I’ve never given it a second thought.

  • @camojoe83
    @camojoe83 Před 11 měsíci +5

    Yes yes yes it's our tri-annual reminder that springs wear by cycling - not sitting - and polymer isn't from 1946 anymore.

  • @loganwgriffith
    @loganwgriffith Před 10 měsíci +1

    I've had GI mags loaded with 20 rounds for about 15 years.
    Every trip out to the range (including this week), I take some with me and haze had zero issues with the mag and the ammo.
    They are stored in the attached garage without climate control.
    I do have a dehumidifier.

  • @juangonzalez9848
    @juangonzalez9848 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Yeah, I love how people think springs lose strength when stored under tension. Springs fatigue from compression and decompression cycles, aka loading and unloading. Just being statically compressed does nothing to fatigue them. Now yes, over compressing or over decompressing (read stretching further then intended) can indeed damage them. Don’t buy cheap garbage and you won’t have a problem with the former, I don’t know how you would have a problem with the latter but some people are just built different.

  • @SuspiciousGanymede
    @SuspiciousGanymede Před 11 měsíci +1

    I had a friend wear out a gen2 pmag after 10 years, it came with his ruger 556. I don't know how many rounds he put through it but I'd wager less than 1000.
    The issue definitely wasn't the rifle, i had just cleaned, lubed and swapped buffer spring to a new one and the rifle would have bullet-over-bolt malfunctions. He got a gen3 pmag 40rd the next week and hasn't had an issue since. The magazine could also have been dirty, the rifle was used extensively on a ranch exposed to the elements year round and nothing was ever serviced until I looked at it

    • @johnnybobtrucker4416
      @johnnybobtrucker4416  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Those are the worst kind of malfunction. Gen 2s are the majority of what I have. Good to know.

  • @jordangouveia1863
    @jordangouveia1863 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I've had a baby browning pistol mag loaded since 1974. I've fired it maybe six times at the range when I got it.
    I've had 1911 mags loaded for many, many years, as well as other mags without any problems. Old wife's tales die hard.

  • @rwooley4494
    @rwooley4494 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I like this is how I keep em. God knows if you need it but have to load first game over

  • @oldvet7566
    @oldvet7566 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Spent 20 years in the military, we found loaded mags from over 15 years that worked just fine, even put them back in the lines at cad, no issues.
    Keep you mags loaded and stop worrying fellas.

  • @averageguy2525
    @averageguy2525 Před 11 měsíci

    Nice to know there's no worries! And you disproved all the worries floating around about storage.

  • @588holly
    @588holly Před 11 měsíci +1

    dude, i got those commecca mags when i was in the infantry back in 2010-2013, we got those, i thought they'd never work! what a fool i was!

  • @bradyyamamoto4708
    @bradyyamamoto4708 Před 11 měsíci +20

    I wish you would have loaded them back up immediately to see if the spring compression had any effect on follow up use after storage. Great experiment nonetheless!

    • @johnnybobtrucker4416
      @johnnybobtrucker4416  Před 11 měsíci +24

      I thought about that afterward, and the next day to satisfy my own curiosity, I did test that. I pushed the followers down with my fingers a few times, loaded each mag with 10 rounds, and shot them. Loaded the pmag to max and dumped it. No malfunctions.
      I trust these mags enough to use them.

    • @Robertsmith-un5cu
      @Robertsmith-un5cu Před 11 měsíci +1

      "spring compression" LMFAO Yeah man okay whatever

    • @smaccattack9228
      @smaccattack9228 Před 11 měsíci +1

      If the springs were bad, they would already be bad

  • @donalddodson7365
    @donalddodson7365 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Suspect it depends upon purchasing good quality magazines. Thanks for showing us the results: smoking hot show!

  • @seod2005
    @seod2005 Před 10 měsíci +1

    A great contribution. Thank you sir

  • @DanielCValot
    @DanielCValot Před 10 měsíci +1

    Hi Chrismcrae4652, We should compare notes it would be interesting for sure!
    I am also 70 and I got my first FFL in 1976 and started a business.
    I had so many storage boxes through the years and after several moves lost track of some stuff, I know stupid of me
    The point I want to make is you are right and I just wanted to chime in and say the mags I found about 3 years ago in old storage.
    Thoes were M16-30 rd mags with NATO 5.56 there was about 5 mags that I found
    I also had some mags for my combat commander that had Fedral 185gr hollow points +P
    I went to the range and EVERYTHING FIRED AS NEW, NOT ONE MISFIRE!
    I am happy that Jhonny here is continuing on for the up coming shooters to share this info, it just means you and I are getting old lol
    We need to support our great country, thany you Jhonny for this video

  • @Casca-su3ty
    @Casca-su3ty Před 11 měsíci +2

    I have mags they've been full since 1991 when i got back from the gulf just fire 5 the other day no problems. So load them up boys

  • @alexparacsi8573
    @alexparacsi8573 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Good thing you had all of your gear on for the big test.

  • @pollywiggl
    @pollywiggl Před 10 měsíci +1

    Thanks for this video. My son and I recently debated this.

  • @frostriver4547
    @frostriver4547 Před 11 měsíci +9

    Never had a doubt, and that PMAG was a gen 2. I don’t store my gen 3 mags with the dust cover. Im sure they are also just fine stacked to capacity. Thanks for confirming what most of us know while we try to avoid letting the myths get in our head

    • @johnnybobtrucker4416
      @johnnybobtrucker4416  Před 11 měsíci +1

      No problem, brother. I was having my own doubts those seven years ago, so I packed them away.
      The original plan was ten years, so I left three loaded for when the time comes.

    • @frostriver4547
      @frostriver4547 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@johnnybobtrucker4416 I’ll be waiting… I’m sure you’ll get the same result. The spring doesn’t care and the feed lips are fine 👍🏼

    • @johnnybobtrucker4416
      @johnnybobtrucker4416  Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@frostriver4547 I'm thinking the same

  • @Seanconnery1st
    @Seanconnery1st Před 11 měsíci +5

    Glad to see it! I don’t like loading at the range if I don’t have to either. Shoot straight!
    -Isaac

    • @Tom-qx5nl
      @Tom-qx5nl Před 11 měsíci

      Me too, I despise having to load mags at the range. I keep ALL mags loaded, ALL the time, both pistol and rifle.

  • @TheAnimal191
    @TheAnimal191 Před 11 měsíci +7

    That makes me feel better about having literally over 100pmags

  • @percisionshot4331
    @percisionshot4331 Před 11 měsíci +4

    I keep all of mine loaded never had an issue.

  • @joelyates2404
    @joelyates2404 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Didn't see anyone comment on the other myth of only loading to 28. Your rifle was designed to feed from a full magazine. If it can't, you have issues other than magazine capacity.

  • @lewis9888
    @lewis9888 Před 10 měsíci +2

    I've got various calibers of ammo that I have bought through the years since 1980. If there are any Collectors out there looking for any particular Boxes that 12 gauge shotgun shells came in since the 80's, I've probably got it. Keep your powder dry and be safe my friends.

  • @rohawaha
    @rohawaha Před 11 měsíci +1

    I am nominating you for the Nobel Prize in gun science, you deserve it . I will get your nomination out right after I reload these 10 P mags .

  • @JohnDoe-zl6ph
    @JohnDoe-zl6ph Před 10 měsíci +1

    I've got a pump shotgun that has been loaded since 1994 when I bought it. The only times it's been unloaded is when I've shot it or cleaned it. It still works fine.

  • @just9911
    @just9911 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I was taught that the only time long term storage could possibly be an issue was if it was a worn out/shit quality magazine that you shouldn’t even be using in the first place.

  • @Crustymarine
    @Crustymarine Před 11 měsíci +2

    Good work Al! As good a test as any to prove magazines can stay loaded for extended time periods.

  • @kennethrand1032
    @kennethrand1032 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I had magazines stacked full since the first gulf war we fired them in 2009 when I was a specialist in the army we had 15 mags fully loaded and an M16 A1 in Aberdeen proving grounds Maryland guess what we only had one hiccup when the extractor from a relic 55 year old M16 broke once fixed it ran great.

  • @sowhatimliving
    @sowhatimliving Před 11 měsíci +1

    Because science bro that’s when I subscribed 😂

  • @hasanmichael4966
    @hasanmichael4966 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Magpul has stated that those covers are dust cover, they were not made to keep the feed lips from warping, and leaving them off of a loaded, stashed magazine for an extended time was 100% okay. I have seen zero cases of their magazine feed lips getting warped during storage because someone didn’t use the cover. But people will believe what they want to believe.
    I’ve had loaded mags work fine after 4 years, pistol and AR, not a super long time but still enough to prove a point. I was never worried about my mags being loaded for a long time.
    Shotgun mag springs going bad is shutter, untrue, myth. have a Mossberg 500 12gauge 8 shot that I keep loaded for HD that I’ve had since 2016 (now 2023, still keep it loaded). I take it to the range several times each year so it hasn’t been sitting since then but it runs great and I’ve never had to replace the mag tube spring, at one point I didn’t take it to the range for a full year.
    I believe the idea that the magazine springs wear out over time when the mag is loaded was introduced by keyboard Internet professionals (also know as trolls) some time ago. Since there weren’t videos disproving at the time people had to load mags and wait. No there is proof that magazine spring can last a very long time.
    If your magazine spring are failing, something is wrong with them.

  • @MrSpunduckwoo
    @MrSpunduckwoo Před 11 měsíci +1

    Been preaching this for decades anytime someone tells me…”ahh you shouldn’t keep you mags fully loaded” well I do and I have never had an issue.

  • @millzwood2399
    @millzwood2399 Před 11 měsíci +1

    we needed this thank you

  • @frankaye8845
    @frankaye8845 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Grandpapi Joe says you don't need more than 2 shotgun shells one for the air and one for the homies 😂

  • @kyleb4151
    @kyleb4151 Před 11 měsíci +4

    The dust cover does keep the pressure off of the feed lips - the cover presses the bullets further down by roughly 1/32 of an inch. Whether that keeps the feed lips from expanding, I dunno, but other tests measuring with calipers have shown expansion.
    You can definitely feel/hear the bullets shift down when you put the dust cover on.

    • @davidfultz6483
      @davidfultz6483 Před 11 měsíci

      I've only ever had that experience with plastic mags. I can't remember the brand but I ditched them and only have aluminum mags because of it.

    • @smaccattack9228
      @smaccattack9228 Před 11 měsíci

      Magpul has specifically said this is not the case. They are literally a dust cover

    • @milspecmike8440
      @milspecmike8440 Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@smaccattack9228whatever the design reason, it most definitely pushes the rounds down and that keeps pressure off the feed lips. I don’t store P mags without them, it certainly doesn’t hurt to do so.

    • @David-hm9ic
      @David-hm9ic Před 11 měsíci

      I think it pushes the ammunition down; not just the bullets.

  • @MillsAmmunition
    @MillsAmmunition Před 10 měsíci +1

    Awesome job bud, mega points for the plan to do it!

    • @johnnybobtrucker4416
      @johnnybobtrucker4416  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Just wanted to know. If I pick it up and load it, will it do its job? Sure did.

  • @HughesEnterprises
    @HughesEnterprises Před 11 měsíci

    Fired a loaded mag a neighbor brought back from Vietnam in 1975 in 2012, 37 years loaded, worked just fine and got to keep the mag.

  • @rebelscumspeedshop
    @rebelscumspeedshop Před 10 měsíci +1

    My brother gave me an SKS he got in the mid 90's he gave it in 2016 with 6 full 30 round mags. He never fired the weapon. The rounds has been in there around 20 years. I didn't have any issues at all.

  • @michaelthebarbarian3380
    @michaelthebarbarian3380 Před 11 měsíci +1

    My dude, they have legit dug up caves worth of AK mags in Afghan and the worked fine. Things were probably 50 years old.
    What hurts springs is cycles, not constant pressure.
    Keep your mags loaded, gents'.

  • @ashleyfletcher2543
    @ashleyfletcher2543 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Been doing it for many years with many types of mags and ammo's. The only thing that even concerns me a little are some of my older pistols as in 50-100 years old. I love .25 acp for pocket carry baby browning, PSA, Walther model 8. Never had issues but I don't or haven't left any loaded for years. Cleaning and practice remedies that.

  • @Matt-kq2le
    @Matt-kq2le Před 11 měsíci +1

    Thanks for sharing this experiment.

  • @moemaster1966
    @moemaster1966 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I left 5 FAL mags and 6 CZ 75 Italian made magazines loaded in my gun safe for 10 years ,the FAL magazines worked perfectly but 4 of the 6 Cz mags failed due to the springs loosing tension..kinda a bummer ..

  • @cboice1993
    @cboice1993 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Great work man. Proof’s right here!

  • @thecowboyfromcali
    @thecowboyfromcali Před 11 měsíci +1

    My idea is, unless you keep the mags in somewhere damp or in direct sunlight or extreme heat, the spring won't have a reason to give out. The only side effect would be a very small loss of push generated over that many years compressed. Still enough to push 30 rounds EZ though

  • @Joncenalol235
    @Joncenalol235 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Couple years ago a german submachine gun and some fully loaded magazines from ww2 were fired w/o a problem.

  • @whosyourdaddy5719
    @whosyourdaddy5719 Před 11 měsíci +1

    its just depends on where you live. if you live in arizona or any other states other than lousiana or southern texas, you should have no issue with loaded and stored mag. its just a way of manufacturer trying to steal your money.

  • @91prostreetstang
    @91prostreetstang Před 11 měsíci

    I keep loaded 10 years then toss springs and replace using Wolff springs that dude is a rock star!!!!!!! Make sure you tell him if your military or LE he is very 1st responder friendly

  • @geoffmcnew5863
    @geoffmcnew5863 Před 10 měsíci +1

    AR mags work well. The problem with ARs is not the magazine - it's that they stop working well (or at all) after about 6-7 mags, particularly in any austere environment.
    That forward-assist wasn't added because it looks cool. An M16 becomes a gummed-up mess and a single shot because of the basic flaws inherent in Eugene Stoner's direct gas-impingement design with the stupid gas tube, piston rings on the bolt, a Slinky-Spring bolt carrier & buffer tube arrangement...JUST ADD SAND, SNOW or MUD!

  • @neverendingmods
    @neverendingmods Před 11 měsíci +1

    It's the people who paint plastic mags that have problems. And those who use plastic mags into extremely hot guns can make feed lips brittle.
    I have a couple mags I got too hot by leaving them in the rifle when it was really hot. I can see the plastic lips started to soften them got rock hard.
    I use plastic mags at the range because they are lighter to haul around when loaded. I take multiple rifles each trip so having 10-12 fully loaded mags in a bag is heavy as hell. Add twice the mag weight for steel mags and it's barely able to be carried. But once you switch to plastic it's much more comfortable.
    I leave all my mags loaded. Rifle and pistol. I keep some ammo in their original cardboard boxes and some is loose in plastic ammo tins for ease of reloading mags for the range. New mags I will use about a dozen times, clean and oil them, then load for storage. Gotta make certain they function flawlessly before counting on them with your life. And mags need to be cleaned. They dirty just like the gun.

  • @badazz99
    @badazz99 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Love these types of test. My mags have been loaded for around 4 years so i know i have at least another 2.5 years…👍

  • @AR-ly7yt
    @AR-ly7yt Před 11 měsíci +1

    Thx man gives me comfort knowing my gun will fire when needed.

  • @kyussdemon1
    @kyussdemon1 Před 11 měsíci +1

    "Albert Einstein signing off"🤣🤣🤣

  • @mpetty0226
    @mpetty0226 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Thank you, very eye opening results.

  • @Basscouch
    @Basscouch Před 11 měsíci +1

    I did this same thing with my Slingshot collection and I think I will be more successful in a post apocalyptic situation than those who rely on guns.

  • @crabbypadty393
    @crabbypadty393 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I never fully load mine for fear of wearing the springs. Now I know, load those suckers full!