CRIMES OF THE FUTURE MOVIE REVIEW - Not David Cronenberg's Best Work
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It’s an interesting thing about more arthouse directors who often get too far up their own ass and start going for weird for the sake of weird, when they’re constrained by a studio or source material they often make their best work imo. History of Violence is Cronenberg’s masterpiece, and Drive is still Nicolas Winding Refn’s most accessible and successful film. What do you all think?
I agree. Same happened with Riddly Scott. He couldn't get away from Aliens and Milky Androids.
I love the VFX of Prometheus but at the end of the day it just a Dumb monster movie that tries to hide as Deep thought/ high concept.
And they totally mailed it in with Alien: Covenant. I'll add I did like Raised By Wolves. And then HBO F'ing canceled it!
It depends on the filmmaker. Sometimes it is true, sometimes not. Directors like robert eggers , martin scorsese, tarantino and nolan can do whatever they want, in my opinion. But thrn people like george lucas need people that say stop. If all depends on thd filmmaker
Immediately thought of Refn?s Drive. Been eagerly waiting for his next movie.
It was Refn’s idea to strip Drive to its bare essence, it wasn’t some studio note or interference. It was as good as it was precisely because of Refn.
John Carpenter described Cronenberg was being too far up his ass and that was back in the 80s.
Martyrs was beyond fucked up. It's of those movies u only need to see once because it's so disturbing u won't forget
My thoughts on "Crimes" is more of a deep-dive into the metaphorical meanings within Cronenberg's on-the-nose, satirical (albeit horrific) and sometimes humorous view of modern-day technology (ex: eating chair, sleeping bed, autopsy bed), exhibitionism and voyeurism (ex: Saul, Caprice, Timlin, two women with drills), pop culture (ex: Klinik/Ear Man, others), celebrity status (Saul and Caprice), and ultimately the "plastic" society that we have become (ex: plastic eaters, non-plastic eaters, and those "evolving" into eating plastic). There are also the "policing agencies" (Cope, Wippet, Timlin) that try to regulate and/or terminate humanities permanent decline into a meaningless existence of seeking out ever-greater, "shocking" sensualities (ex: government's attempts to regulate social media and the moral decline of society).
The story clearly identifies "plastic" as the synthetic, cheap, easily consumed and digested content in social media (I think of "Barbie Girl" by Aqua, Madonna's "Material Girl"). Each of the main characters is participating in the so-called "art" in some way with a brief glimpse of a "normal person" who dies from eating "plastic".
The boy Brecken, from the outset, has already "evolved" into a full plastic eater. The mother, representing parents of young "social media artists" today, smothers him. This represents the consequences of parents allowing their children to consume and produce cheap, easy to consume exhibitionism eventually leading them to be killed by it (ex: kids being killed by their stalkers, older men being fans of young girls) as if the parent was the actual murderer.
Through the entire story, the main character Saul resists "evolving" into a plastic eater (ex: "tumor-like organs" that grow inside him = the cancers of society) using alien-looking tech just to eat and sleep (Ex: cpap, hospital surgical devices, feeding tubes, mechanised beds etc). Finally, after just giving in to "evolving" into a plastic eater does he find complete contentment and peace. However, never does he realize that his "painless" exhibitionism is the very cause of his morphing into a plastic eater; he's now desensitised to it all.
Along the way, we also meet two woman voyeurists who drill holes into people's heads representing the mindless, intellegence draining people of CZcams Channels and pornography; they create content that displays to everyone their so-called "inner beauty" but is secretely "horrific" for us to watch, and we can't turn our eyes away (ex: Adrienne, Ear Man, zipper device, etc.). In addition, Ear Man (Klinik) demonstrates how even the hippocritical Producer of his "Art" (ex: the music and entertainment industry) can be the very one who exploits the financial successes but joins the "popular" view of hating it (ex: anonymous likes, dislikes, etc.).
There are many more metaphorical references throughout the story and Cronenberg uses the genre as a warning of the future "horrors" of becoming "Plastic Eaters". Cronenberg asks us If we are disgusted by what we are watching and thus why are we not disgusted by what we "consume" in today's media? He suggests that if we are not disgusted by what we're watching, we're already a plastic eater. Indeed, ultimately society will become senseless, meaningless, painless, completely devoid of the characteristics that make us human if we don't stop eating plastic both metaphorically (ex: social media, empty entertainment, exhibitionism, voyeurism, pop culture, celebrity status, etc.) and physically (ex: oceans being full of plastic: fish eat it, we eat the fish). Neither has any nutritional value and can kill us metaphorically, physically, spiritually, and socially.
I think the problem here was they had an idea, then wanted to add things that didn't make sense but didn't care. Like why is eating plastic a plot?
What about eating plastic, which could be something worng with your taste buds or digestive system, is some sort of message about taking care of the environment? If anything it just adds another food stock to the pile.
Also why hide it? It isn't a profitable find, it just means you can also eat the wrapping of a donut as well as the donut. It doesn't seem like an important thing to hide at all.
The extra body parts idea has some potential, imagine if they could replace any human organ all the time, and it was an advancement of medicine, then someone discovers that they harvest organs of humans by having them grow extra organs.
A really big missed opportunity to make a psychological horror of how far humanity will go for immortality. If that was the goal then by plot alone I don't get it.
The plot has to do more with politics about regulating the bodies of citizens (the eating plastic thing is just an excuse to talk about this) and the body as a more and more meaningless random thing, a thing emptied of meaning, than inmortality
Dude…..I’ve just been contracted Covid. Woke up feeling literally like death. But thought I’d stick on CZcams on the tele to keep my spirits up. And then right in my face bold as anything, I see “Crimes of the Future is a mess”!
All joy and hope are forsaken now….😩😩😩😩😩😩. Lol
Don't worry, I really liked the film, so maybe you will too.:) I don't think it's a masterpiece but thought it was very good and I'll definitely watch it again in the near future. I think it's a very thought provoking film and it got better for me after I watched it and pieced together unspecified parts of the story myself. I personally love that kind of thing. I wish you a good and speedy recovery, stay strong.
I liked it, just watch it yourself and make your own mind up.
I put it off half way through, was falling asleep and couldn't stand it anymore, feels very pretentious without any payoff... Btw LOVE that T-shirt dude! My fav series in years!
Cannes and standing ovations are not to be trusted.
Funny I always thought A History of Violence was David cronenbergs best film. All of his best qualities came together in that film to me.
I think it’s one of his worst. He ruins the entire point of the graphic novel.
@@TheRealNormanBates I’ve never actually read the graphic novel all the way through but you may be right cause I heard it’s almost just an adaptation in name only. I’m assuming the novel does not end on a slightly happy note or bittersweet one like the movie. I try not to compare things like that if the adaptation is so far removed from the novel. Plus he didn’t right it and he signed on because of the script not because he wanted to adapt the novel. The only thing I don’t understand is how Vigo mortensen says thats his best work when he was in lord of the rings.
I thought it was just okay
Lol I remember that one saw it with my dad, the ending sparked a bit of an argument between the two of us.
@@nightking0130 the novel revolves around 2 kids who are sick of the mob controlling their part of the city, so they go to an uncle (?) or someone shady to get a pair of Uzis, gas masks and smoke bombs. They hit a barber shop (wearing boy scout uniforms and gas mask) with the smoke bomb and machine gun down half of the mob family. It is when they were escaping that the Ed Harris character chases them, where the main kid hits him with a stick that still had barbed wire on it, which catches him on the eye. The other kid winds up getting caught.
20 some odd years later, the main kid is in a small town (like the Mid West) hiding from the mob. When "Barb" shows up, the main guy dispatches him. Something brings him back to his old neighborhood (I think it is the old "they are never going to stop hunting me, so rather than wait until they go after my wife and kid, I'm going to end this myself) where he finds the hideout of the old mob boss.
Inside he finds what is left of his friend, who is armless, legless, missing an eye and his whole body is burned from being tortured for 20 years straight (hence the title).
Cronenberg just turned it into a generic "mob hit man on the run" story.
I love David Cronenberg's The Fly but this sounds absolutely crap! Exactly what Mr H said, "Pointless"and it totally sounds it!
Not yet seen Cronenberg's movies, but your thoughts on this might partly explain the walkouts besides just the extreme gore turning off viewers at Cannes.
It also sounds a lot like Tenet in that Nolan had been working on the script for ages, but the final results were more underwhelming (at least for me) than what was originally intended.
Almost feel like David Cronenberg’s best days are behind him. He is a very intriguing visceral director but he is lacking in the last ten years in storytelling.
Eastern Promises and a A Dangerous Method we’re his last best films and Eastern Promises has one of the best sauna fight scenes I have ever seen.
The only thing is the script for Crimes of the Future was written in 1998, so Cronenberg being 79 and 'his best days are behind him' don't really factor in when the quality of his filmmaking is as good as it's always been, but the story was lacking.
@@AndrewSnarls Exactly. His modern style of filmmaking is still there and good as if nothing changed. But the problem is that the doesn't have enough context to understand. There was even too many plots that opened up with no proper execution/conclusion to them.
Such a shame. This actually looked really decent. I'm very disappointed with recent films in general.
It did make me rewatch the prophecy for the og viggo in sackcloth.
I personally thought it was a true return to from D.C. .. I 100% totally respect your review and opinions.. you do have some great points.. none the less.. The film score was outstanding.. I love this film and I have loved your channel for many years.. cheers mate.
I find it ironic a film about people evolving into things that may be soulless gets reviewed and the reviewer says this film lacks any real substance and a soul.
Though DC never claimed nor does he claim to be prophetic about these things, i.e. body horror modification, next step in evolution stuff etc., he seems to want to be one, a prophet.
He's definitely trying to create meaning in something, but there is none. Though there are people that do modify their bodies, this film falls flat because it's not really a direction humanity is moving towards. DC wants to be serious about his work and at times he succeeds, but not with COTF.
Amanda the Jedi talked about this movie. She said it was a different movie that people walked out of, not this one. I would not see a movie like this....not my genre.
Cronenberg is a great troll. He claimed that "my film will cause walkouts" but little did we know he was warning us about not the shock factor but how incredibly boring and unfulfilled this film is. Also for someone renowned for using amazing practical effects the CGI was god awful at points And stuck out like a sore thumb.
Also why did Viggos character dress like a Ninja?
I get the feeling they've paid you to give such high praise! I mean, ya can just see how excited you are to talk about this movie 🤣
I appreciate these vids more than any other as these ones, save me the time that I wouldn't get back lol
The genetic traits makes sense even tho the movie didn’t even know it. It’s called epigenetics, even tho the character was surgically altered the body had to adapt in some way and work with the surgery. The two became one which means the genes in the altered person had to adapt and make new shit work. If the Genes are working on something new, man made or not the genes are still memorizing and working, which means that knowledge gets passed down. The new spawn is able to work with foreign materials much easier than someone whos parents haven’t been altered
But the movie sounds bonkers and just plain wrong, not morally wrong, wrong on how life works
Total student-film art house drek. Superficial schlock.
Martyrs was my way of getting into horror where I didn’t want to experience that kind o cinema before. Damn it worked. I wanted to turn it off on several occasions but stuck with it. I’m glad and fully on board with the horror genre now. Great mention, damn shame this is underwhelming from such an icon of the genre 👍🏻
It has Kristen Stewart in it. Her presence alone in any movie or show lowers it's quality by several degrees. She only has two expressions, constipated or passing a kidney stone. She defines what an empty, superficial, vapid and vacuous on-screen presence is.
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TBH she was hardly in it and when she was, she was better than she usually is. id love to blame her but the story was just really boring of which her character had no impact on.
Tell us you haven't seen the movie without telling us
@@idiot_city5244 WTF
You still hate on her just because of twilight?
Cronenberg seems to shift between moments eerie horror and pretentious bollocks. Even Scanners was a lot of twaddle without the gore and good acting from Michael Ironside.
It was a weird mess, but I found parts intriguing. 4/10
For me it was his earlier work that captured my attention such as shivers
Same
Yeah brother. Shivers, Rabid, the brood, scanners, videodrome, the fly, dead ringers.
Those were unique and awesome.
@@abrahamsimmons6694 seen all three
@@davidw5532 love shivers and the brood and Rapid
@@ianwojdyta8176 Body horror at it's finest 👌
I stopped watching this vid 2 minutes in, because I wanted to see the movie myself. In my mind; it can't be that bad and I'm a big Cronenberg fan along with being a fan of his son. Coming back after watching it now; it was the most disappointing movie of this year that I'm glad I didn't waste money to see it in theaters. It was overly pretentious, it didn't have any challenging philosophical ideologies that lingers and connects with his audience like most of his other movies have had. It was a let down. I like somethings from it like the first surgery scene on Viggo, but everything else just felt flat to stupid when they got to the purple candy bars. There was no real story to focus on. It felt like it had multiple plots that don't get concluded and ends up being partial. I rather be excited to see what his can do next because at least he knows how to continue properly where his father left off.
Tried to watch this yesterday got 15mins in turned it off.
Re-edit : went back finished it last night. The ending really pissed me of to many unanswered questions and plot lines
Hello Mr H. There is a teaser trailer up for the new Munsters Movie! Waiting for your reaction, good Sir!
Good lighting in your studio,Mr.H.
Yeah I think I'll pass on this one.
You are a brave man Mr H. You torture yourself so that we won't suffer.
I loved it
So did I pal!
Same
Crash is the best
I started doom scrolling 40 minutes in and then it was over just as I peaked interest at the end.
I'm with you! I'm a huge Cronenberg mark but this effort, phew - stinks on ice.
I guess you could say David committed a crime here.
Thanks. I appreciate your analysis, and expect I will agree if I eventually see it. Good to not have my hopes up too high.
I remember your review of the trailer of this move and you were so exited for it. So this is a shame that it ended up as a mess instead.
I feel the same saw it last night and was very disappointed
It was a dreadful mess. So mediocre. I streamed it for a group of friends and was almost embarassed that i selected it for movie night
I actually checked the time, not because it was slow but because it seemed like there was so much more to come? It was 20 mins from the end! 🤷
Dude, in all seriousness... You liked The Empty Man. 😂🤫
I can’t believe I wasted my time watching that garbage. First 20 minutes were great after that not so much.
Excellent Review 👍
i really enjoyed this movie, it was so wierd. cronenberg is back at the top of his game.
I’m also someone who felt like this was going to be right up my ally. The trailer had me excited. But It ended up being kinda boring lol.
It's a mess, but still liked it. Glad I got to see it in the cinema. And I like how there were no exposition dumps
I want your T-Shirt. Soo cool
Thank you so much for stating that it is pointless. My attention span is crazy low. If I get bored I walk out.
I will wait to watch it for free. Xxxxx
There have been some examples of a form of evolutionary (maybe that isn't the right word for it) response that can happen in a single generation under extreme circumstances like the Irish potato famine. I think it has something to do with a change in gene expression and these changes have been shown to pass to future generations.
But last I checked no such response has caused people to sprout new limbs or gain the ability to digest synthetic polymers. :p
I enjoyed it a bit like crash
Random question,where did you get that nice ass shirt?
DA BOYS hahah LOVE LOVE LOVE
I liked it, but I get your perspective. Didn't knew that he had made another film with the same name. I think I'll check it out too.
Really cool shirt, man.
I loved it. Can't wait to own a copy and watch it again.
That's a shame. I was kinda looking forward to that. Seems a lot like Existenz maybe. I will still probly watch it. Cheers m8.
really depends on if you are a fan of crash, videodrome, exiztenz or his bland mainstream stuff.
I watched it half way through and switched it off. I personally thought it was quite Satanic had a lot of Satanic symbolism in the film. I also found it very very boring. It could have been so much better.
I'm not a massive fan of Cronenburgs films overall. I liked Scanners, Dead Zone, The Fly, History Of Violence and Eastern Promises but many of his works I just can't get into. This film was one of those and reminded me of his 1994 film Crash with its weird sexual, slightly perverse overtones and really not that much to say. On paper it could have been brilliant but chose to concentrate on elements that just didn't interest me.
Lol I saw the posters little blurbs and i thought this movie looks like its gonna be a mess
Really like the soundtrack
AY UP MR H
Do you not think the soullessness was intentional? I'd say the opening scene alone cements this. I've not fully made my mind up on it, I'll need to watch it again to see what I really think but I definitely don't think it's as bad as you do.
As freaky, high-brow and creepy as this film was, I came away sad.
I think it's concepts, ideas and predictions are probably not too far off from our possible future.
If anything, I would imagine this to be a lighter take on where we will end up.
Agree with your review - it was sooo boring I actually fell asleep
I watched The Brood recently and thought it was meh 😑 I vaguely remember a history of violence and eastern promises, but it’s been a while.
Have to agree - the story was just a confusing, long winded puzzle ... it had such potential but just didn't go for the shock value like his past films, it was very ho-hum.... and made no sense!
Anyone familiar with Philip K. Dick, and his phantasmagorical, mind bending speculative/science fiction writing? Cronenberg comes from this discipline. Naked Lunch, Xistenz... Videodrome. Buyer beware kind of cinematic journey.
Sidenote: Haven't seen it yet. But a friend peer said I needed to witness it.
Super sidenote: He was in "Nightbreed."
Body horror, yo.
Crimes of the future will be watching movies like “Crimes of the Future….” I felt like I was watching a German Avant-garde art installation or something….. 🤣
It's like a grotesque masterpiece you find at a museum and you couldn't enjoy it. 😑
I wish it made sense
That’s a shame I was really looking forward to this one tho I’ll probably still go see it.
Those walkouts were probably bullshit, same as any other popular "gorey" film. People said the same thing when Raw came out.
I was dozing off during some parts and kinda got bored
The movie was a boring mess. Shock alone can't save a boring movie.
Trailer was great
Watched the movie the other day
&it's just blahhhhhhhhhh
Total mess
Thanks H for suffering through this so I don't have to
The trailer looked like body horror with no story.
Viggo looked like a ninja, I kept thinking he was going to fight a rival clan.
I'm not familiar with David's works, I'll have to check out his other films. I found it tolerable, just seemed like glorified sadomasochism, and went to all points nowhere (music and visuals were decent, especially the dancing ear man). Only decent part was seeing Léa Seydoux's naked body and hairy muff, I'm only human. Lmao. Lots of weird sub plots, like those sociopathic assistances who go around randomly killing people.
PS- You mention "Martyrs" 2008 French OG version. Be still my beating heart. It's my number 2 love, I must've watched that roughly 3,110 times. My number one love (always and forever) and favorite film, "Let The Right One In" 2008 Sweden, which I've watched roughly 5,110 times. Relatable and timeless classical masterpiece (to me). And the soundtrack complimented it flawlessly.
loved the original Martyrs film . purchased it on bluray and I have only watched it once .... can't bring myself to watch it again , left me feeling really down for couple days . bit like requiem for a dream and a film called happiness
Just finished watching it 10 minutes before this video popped up and yeah it’s not good the trailer is good the movie just no
I thought it was a masterpiece. To each their own though
I remember back in the day they used to screen Live autopsys on television, imagine the people who claimed they "walked out" watching one of those? I've seen 80s slasher films more shocking than this shite.
I agree this movie was a mess
You're about as deep as a Frisbee.
I turned it off, just found it really weird and creepy.
Feels a bit disappointing, I'll gladly give this one a miss, thanks mr h!
This movie was a waste of time and disgusting for not so obvious reasons. I've seen worse in terms of gore (I thought it was pretty tame). To be honest, I feel the only purpose of this movie was just Cronenberg giving a nod to Pedowood. If anyone noticed how the movie pushed hard the idea that surgery is the new sex, and
***SPOILERS***
the climax was an autopsy on a young boy. If you read between the lines, the metaphor is pretty clear. The plot itself went nowhere, and the fact Viggo's character could digest plastic by the end felt obvious like mid-film. It just felt like the ending fell flat and made the movie a pure shock feature rather than anything of substance. Something could be said about transhumanism, but I don't think this film deserves an in-depth analysis like that. Shame, because I usually expect better from Cronenberg. Oh well.
The world and concepts in this film are so interesting but for some reason David decided to wrap all those ideas up in the most boring and pointless story.... It's a real shame because everything about the film is great.... except for the BLOODY STORY!!!
Only cronenberg movie I ever saw that I didnt like
And I’ve seen them all
Yeah this did not hit, it felt unfinished which is weird for me to say as a massive fan of his.
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Crimes of the Future is like a combination of Videodrome + eXistenZ + Dead Ringers, with the addition of performance artists as the main characters.... I see it as a very niche movie due to its subject matter, not having much of a mass appeal, but I liked it in the same way that you did, elements of it instead of the movie as a whole. The movie is my kind of bizarre but missing, as you put it, a soul. Not David Cronenberg's best movie but it's in line and fits nicely with everything he's done during his career. I think David Cronenberg should have upped the ante with this one and added an element of 'torture porn' into it, making everything more explicit. Cronenberg having been sitting on the script for this movie for years had plenty of time to make it better, and especially come up with a better ending, but he didn't.... It's like he wrote it pretty quickly after eXistenZ and that was it, one draft and done.
More like a combo of Videodrome and Crash
Won't you do the boys season 3 ?
When it's done
@@MrHReviews Come on don't let us wait.
@@FireTheHoker no I'll review the season as is
@@MrHReviews You'll fucking love it, it's a shame it's not a 24 episode per year show
@@FireTheHoker I'm watching it my dude, it's good, herogasm was great, but not as hyped as they made it out to be sadly
thisremindedme of episode of the outer limits showtime series called new breed both sucked
Yeaaaa this movie was just bad, i was so looking forward to it but it fell so flat
Hard disagree on this one. I loved it. I was primed to like it and I did. My dad was primed not to like it and he did like it. The audience I was with at the cinema seemed pretty on board with this one. It does ride at a slow tempo and the dialogue is quite Delillo-esque, but I was absolutely enamored with it. I respect your position, but I think people should watch it for themselves and make up their own minds about it. Film of the year for me. No, it is not a balls to the wall horror film at all. People should go in knowing that it's a meditation on where we are headed as a species (at least insofar as Cronenberg predicts), and that the film mainly consists of conversations with the odd set piece of bio-mechanical chicanery. Again, I respect where you're coming from, but agree to disagree.
Your comment gives me hope. I'm still intrigued. I feel this might be a misunderstood film.
@@juliangrant9718 I think it is very much a misunderstood film. I think it will be a future cult classic. Not to sound like "I'm so smart I got it right away!" However, I did find it very cogent and comprehensible. There's really nothing like it, it's very unique. It also has a very dry wit about it. It's a deeply melancholic affair, yet it also has a lot of humor and surrealistic flourishes to keep one engaged. It's not a Lynch film insofar as "you make up your own mind," it has a very definitive meaning and conclusion. I truly loved it. I hope you do too, but I respect H, and it's fine that he couldn't get on board with this one. Perhaps down the line upon a re-watch it may click for him, or it may not. If all art spoke to everyone, then we'd have nothing to talk about. It's absolutely fine if someone doesn't like something you do. Anyway, cheers man!
It’s a thought provoking film which doesn’t really spoon feed the main message of the story to its audience, which it seems is to its own detriment. Because the viewers are left more confused as to what the purpose of this film is, the film suffers as a result. That’s my feeling. It was only after a few more watches, and deep diving into its plot that I begin to see the film in a better light. It’s a surprisingly very relevant film to the modern world and I think it will become a cult classic eventually.
I loved it.
I did not like it at all. I lasted about 20min and turned it off.
Sick, don’t going to finish the movie. Excellent movie for people who cut themselves are going to become cutters after watching this horror movie. Yes, he missed his chance about humans next evolution to be able to travel to cosmos explored the cosmos. He wrote this script 20 years ago, another yikes🤮
I felt ripped off. This movie was just bad.
The film was so boring and slow. (spoiler) Cronenberg had alot of things in the film he could have used better and made film at least interesting. could have the story of the child through the film and his mother killing him in the end. could have used more of the 2 assassins with the drills.could have added a brazil drug lord trafficking organs.
I knew the second I seen the trailer it was going to be one of those “it’s dreary and pretentious but that’s what makes it high art” bullshit movies.
You haven't even seen it lols... shut it
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