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- White evangelicals comprise a third of all Republican voters and are among the GOP’s most organized voting blocs. But wide support for Donald Trump in 2016, against a backdrop of scandals, has brought heavy media scrutiny and now some faith leaders are striving to move evangelicalism away from political associations. Gianna Toboni travels to the Bible Belt to see how evangelicals are navigating today's volatile political environment.
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Strict Evangelical parents usually make the strongest atheists.
The Multiverse is untestable unobservable blind Faith
polls say otherwise
and Strict Wahhabis usually make the strongest atheists.
We need more Christians...I am a proud Ex-Muslim.
@@sarmatianknight7938 sure you are...
Churches in Europe and many other countries: Actually look like a church
Churches in USA: *Shopping mall*
True, but fair question who rakes in the most followers( genuine curiosity, considering the comparative levels of religiosity). But yes agreed spirituality mixed with capitalism is a horrible thing to behold.
Most churches in North America don’t look like this
@@jwb2734 yep that's true
Only because European churches are old and dead.
In Africa, every street corner has a church. Any room with a roof becomes a church in Sunday. Shopping malls, hotels, restaurants , bars etc.
It's 2020,not 1620. church buildings back then had multiple societal uses, the same way church buildings today Dom
To be fair most churches in this country and continent as a whole don’t look like that. Evangelicals and their mega churches are outliers
Let's be real, as the older generations die off, Evangelicalism will take a huge hit because the younger generations are leaving religion at a pretty large rate.
Thankfully.
Good news
The problem is that these generations breed like rabbits and make their children carbon copies of themselves.
I think the younger generation is leaving the Church because of people like the Evangelicals...They support Trump..In my opinion you can't be a Trump supporter and pretend to follow Christ's teachings...!
How do you reconcile Biblical teachings with the liberal ideology and its endorsement of abortion, non-binary gender, neo-feminism and the resultant decay of God's design for family: Father, Mother and Children living together in one household
I can’t believe it. He actually gets it. First evangelical pastor I’ve heard that wasn’t 100% cringe.
So true!
He doesn't get it. He's just slicker than others in his profession. Another Rick Warren.
I think he gets it, but he’s riding the fence to not upset either side
There is so much truth in what he said. Never thought I would say that about an evangelical pastor. Guy is well educated, and doesn’t seem to be in it for the money.
@@xflyingtiger No, he sees it. He correctly identifies the conservative mindset as running scared. The problem is, as he may discover, one can realize this as an Evangelical, but can one then remain an Evangelical?
We should check back in 10 years.
Me and my brother were raised evangelical, we both have left. They’re so full of it, they talk a good talk but they don’t do what they say.
I remember I was 7 and I realized that there was something wrong with the church. Because while talking about treating people better, being kind, and being a person who god would be proud of that didn't include everyone.
Sounds about right
and yet there is a difference between Protestantism and Catholicism.
Our U.S. Founding Fathers were mostly Protestant. A few practiced Deism. Puritans and Pilgrims fall under Protestantism, and Puritans were also called Separatists just like those "Separatists" that fought against "Loyalists" during The American Revolution. Tell me....during The American Revolution, do you think The Roman Catholic Church supported 'Separatists" of "Loyalists" during The American Revolution. Tell me why so many church denominations falls under "Protestantism." Was it not after King Henry The VIII's time that The "Reformation" began? (Reformation / Britannica) Oh...my direct ancestor is one of the reasons why we all have a U.S. 1st Amendment. Should I explain who they were?
Brian T Parent While they did overlap, the Protestant Reformation had its beginnings 50+ years prior to the start of King Henry VIII’s reign (1509). In the Lands of the Bohemian Crown (modern Czech Republic), a reformist movement known as Utraquist Hussitism was acknowledged and accepted by the Catholic Church during the Council of Basel (1431-1449). Martin Luther’s Ninety-five Theses was published in 1517, and the official schism between the Catholic Church and Luther occurred with the 1521 Edict of Worms. The English Parliament recognized the King's status as head of the church in England with the Acts of Supremacy in 1534. Henry VIII’s reign ended in 1549.
There's a deficit of compassion and kindness in the evangelical movement. They seem more motivated by fear than anything else.
Power and greed motivate the hell out of them too.
Definitely. Many of them think if you're not a believer you'll be cast into a lake of fire for eternity.
Money too.
@@krunkle5136 if you reject Truth and the Almighty God, Jesus Christ (the source of All goodness), You WILL be in hell for all eternity.
That's truth-- not fear mongering. You Will see!!
@@avasmith235 Just realize how aggressive in asserting their 'truth' most Abrahamic religions are.
Why would I believe this idea of hell over other conceptions of afterlife/reincarnation in other religions, let alone even just other denominations of Christianity?
guy actually has some insight, still atheist myself but he cool
Stopped going to church a while back because of the hypocrisy he was talking about. Can’t say I don’t believe in anything, but organized religion has become a breeding ground for greed, lies, and judge mental human beings. After all, isn’t God supposed to be the final judge?
22 Veterans A Day I stopped stepping out of my house and talking to people because of hypocrites that exist everywhere. As a matter of fact I even stopped looking in the mirror.
@@sramoore0075187 yup - aint no hate like christian love.
@@donniebrasco7243 These days there sure isn't...I was brought up Christian...but now I believe all religions are right that teach love of everyone...I AM very embarrassed to tell anyone I'm a Christian these days...But I'm an "odd" Christian that thinks VERY differently than what they teach in Church's... so people that know me get it!...
@@heatherderringer3454 I am glad that you are like that. The opposite happened for me. I too grew up in christianity and realised that I could no longer align myself with the bigotry and hatred which goes along with it. So now, I practice love, by being an atheist.
My old boss was evangelical. When she talked about God her pupils would dilate. She was the devil
😂😂
What 😳 did she do?
Lmao 😂😂😂
Dude you just jealous of her position :(
You would know
Here`s what I don`t like about Evangelicalism. They can`t accept that others want to live a different lifestyle or live in a society that`s not based on their religious views. And they base their opinions on religious scriptures instead of ethical reasoning or peer-reviewed studies.
So your god is called science, then?
@@fabrizio483 ...No. Science is not a god or a religion.
It is an evidence based formula for finding truth.
It is a god to many. Everyone needs and has a god; to some is food, to others is sex, money, drugs, video games, but everyone has a god.
@@fabrizio483 I am God. only weak minded fools bow to a sky daddy..
@@fabrizio483 ...That does not make sense. Our definition of a God must be totally different.
I think of a God as a supernatural presence that created us..(Which I do not believe in because I see no evidence for)
I do not regard my tacos as a god.
I think they've trapped themselves in their own hypocrisy.
To be a Christian is to understand one's own hypocrisy. To not is to be an oblivious liar. We serve a perfect God doing our best to match his standards knowing full well that we are but fallen men in need of a graceful God.
Hypocrite: from a Greek word that literally translates to "actor," no actual religious prerequisite in the definition. It applies to all.
@@akbrooks70 There's an issue, most evangelicals don't appear to know that.
@@orionantares I disagree. Most are more self aware than you give credit for. Otherwise, why would they show up to church every week to hear that?
@@akbrooks70 Part of the idea behind the understanding of one's own hypocrisies is to actively strive to overcome them, not to embrace and double down on them. I think they show up to church every week because they feel that action alone absolves them, that they do not have the self awareness to actively try to overcome those hypocrisies the other days of the week. So many of them are being ruled by fear. Irrational fear is one of those things that you have to actively work to overcome and you need a certain level of self awareness to address that.
“People were TERRIFIED of the bathroom bill” - If I have to bring myself to actually use a public restroom, my digestive problems are so dire at the moment I don’t care who is in there.
@i get it Aye then you support trans people being in their identified gender's bathroom
Unless you were an overprotective dad with a small girl whom you saw getting into the toilet with a visibly transgender woman.
Lmao 🤣
Yet these evangelicals act like they don’t do doo doo#2 though. So what are they mad about?
This was one of the more honest explanations of evangelicals I've heard.Lots more honest than those phony televangelists that worship $$$$$$.
Kickstarting the doomsday needs a lot of money mate..
Grew up an Evangelical. Left religion behind 5 years ago. Although it was a journey to deprogram myself, it was one of the best decisions I ever made. Glad more people are waking up.
people will be singing the opposite song in 10 year they will be running from the leftest degeneracy soon
Welcome back to reality. 😁
+Neo Meg - Thank you. Its good to be here.☺
+gunzonline - Why do you Muslims want to take over the US?
Welcome back to a rational worldview! Reality is far more awesome than baseless lies about global floods and burning bushes.
Jesus preached that the law consisted of loving your neighbor as yourself, and he condemned the religious leaders of his day for their hypocrisy in burdening the people with rules they themselves could not keep. The Evangelical movement is dying because it abandoned Jesus’ teaching and is following the path that Jesus condemned. They no longer put their faith in god, but in money and politics. Their “churches” are places of business not worship, which is why they're not out of place in a shopping mall.
what isn't going anywhere ..are the words ...of Jesus..stating..very clearly all who reject Him are currently condmned in their sins..and will face the wrath of God..nor..will the True disciples of Jesus..cease to state this Truth As Jesus...states..will occur..
"Jesus", the myth character was very fascist and schizo ... "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a son against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. -Jesus character, Matthew 10:34
@@zuvarian Jesus is no myth. You will have to answer to The LORD on the day of judgement for all of your deeds in life if you do not repent and trust in Jesus Christ.
@@zuvarian Imagine thinking Jesus is a myth in this day and age. Who else do you think is a myth? Julius Caesar? Alexander the Great?
@@zuvarian I am a Muslim. I did not come here to argue a point. But what I will say to you is that you and many like you have taken Jesus words at face value. Jesus didnt carry a sword if you read the his words you'll understand. What he brought were a message, and that message will bring son against father, daughter against mother and so on. It's your choice to believe or follow whatever part you choose to follow, but don't discriminate against another for whatever path they choose. They haven't broken any laws by doing so
When the whole concept of religion seems to be a way of hiding authoritarianism, it's hard not to politicize religion.
@Debra Seitz those voices in your head telling you to persecute “the gays” (and anyone not like you) isn’t god
@Debra Seitz I don't quite ubderstand. Are you saying that god is asking us to separate church and state? Or asking the church to not function with its own political structure? I don't see either of those as biblical ideas. Can you explain?
Amen!
I am a muslim, living in Islamic countries,I agree.Islam is kind of authoritarian.In my country,you can go to jail if criticize Islam.Islam is like government which is Shariah Law.Christianity is not so political compared to Islam in my opinion.
@@sanusmotus1696 That is voices of fake preachers, and voices of illusions and mental illness.
I am an Atheist, but this pastor is so far the only one who applies common sense and attempts to bridge the ever-widening gap. Kudos to him
That is what all good politicians do. Slick talk and that's all.
Or......he's just another moron that thinks beings live in our clouds
Your not sharp enough to be an atheist.
He's still a pastor, so the delusion remains, even if its ever so slightly
The problem with the church is that it does not accept its own responsibility in society.
Also tha whole fucking children thing...that's a pretty big negative for me
They are their own society tax free. Only them.
@@truthisnotrelative7438 wow, chill mate. If anything, 🍊 man is just a human with flaw. What's up with "love god, love your family, love one another, love your enemies?"
Has it ever?
@@imawormbeforeiamaman4261 You can drop the whole love God thing for a start. If you think I would love an entity that according to the Bible advocates genocide, child abuse, slavery and child sacrifice forget it.
"What Is The Future Of Evangelicalism? " --- Extinction, saved you 5 minutes
Truth. And good riddance.
After 2000 years of surviving, you think it will suddenly die ? How old are you?
@@dajusta87 evangelicalism is not 2000 years old
I can't wait
justun chan in its current form it’s heading for irrelevancy if not extinction... much like the Catholic Church or Islam generally reformation is needed
The pastor sounds like a good man, but his 'flock' is the problem.
Pastor sounds like an idiot, same as his flock
@@f-mendez7829 Ad hominem. Logical fallacy. Use facts and support your arguments with real data. Lest you appear as a 12 year old who is angrily mashing keys.
@@irshchuculain dito, where are your facts
@@f-mendez7829 I didn't make a claim. You did with ad hominem. The burden of proof is on you. Sorry. Might want to study a bit more.
And just like that, you've dismissed like half of the country as "the problem". It's this kind of language that causes more fear and anxiety. I say this as a non-American non Christian.
hopefully there is no future for Evangelicalism lmao
THIS!!!
Friedrich Nietzsche “God is dead”
August 25th 1900
Friedrich Nietzsche Is dead.
👍🏼
I don’t know if there’s a future for it... but it sure is profitable. Isn’t that right, Jerry Falwell Jr.?
Michael Stocker Honestly, the council of Nicea was a mistake.
Lol where do they think trans people have been using the bathroom for the past 100 years...
Autumn Doss I really IDK I think these ppl think the left invented trans ppl to troll them... Which it hilarious!
@@trulywylde5726lol.. I wouldn't put it past some of them.. I a good portion think Trump has moral authority, which has to be the most idiotic thing I have ever heard...
If we weren't passable we just got killed. Usually by getting neck tied to truck and dragged. At least people don't feel they can get away with it as easily anymore
FlowWolf7 the plan is and has always been to demoralize the population so they will get rid of themselves... They will tell you as much! It's the same plan with all indoctrination programs. Anything they see as a threat they will try to justify the elimination of! Christianity wiped my entire culture away, not just the ppl! They destroyed everything...
@@FlowWolf7Exactly which speaks to why these right-wing evangelicals are so dangerous. Please don't think I was making light of the issue. I was just trying to point out the absurdity of these people, who are all the sudden scared of trans people as if they have never existed before. This is the dark her of propaganda like Fox News...
It fills me with hope that I read the comments below, America is waking up to the hypocracy of the cult of Evangelical Chtistianity
Darwin is a cult as no one can prove mr random.did anything
What does he mean they lost their soul in it?
@@KittredgeRitter read the great controversy ellen white free on google
+g mac Let's call them sincerely misled as are the Mormons and S D Adventists.
@@elaine1034 bible says 2300 years the jesus will start deciding every one s destiny
Da 8 14
In da 9 25 27 gabriel says from jerusalem.rebuilt 457.ad.+ 2300 = 1844
When jesus entered sanctuary most holy place
Re 14 6 and.7 say at that time all churches rejected this message sent frlm God they became babylon all.sunday churches
Re.14.6 to 12 saya anyone staying in babylon.and knowing this last.end.time message xalled the 3 angel s message will not go to heavem.
"Divorced from our theological roots"
>Literally a shopping mall strip church
While i get what you are trying to say and agree with your point. But i must also highlight that some of the early churches in the bible like those in Ephesus were right in the middle of Roman Marketplaces. You can go and visit today still and see evidence of shops being used as Churches.
As Allah said: O Jesus the son of Mary, remember my grace on you and your mother as Oidtk the Holy Spirit people spoke in the cradle and the Kahala Taking taught you the Book and Wisdom and the Torah and the Bible While creating a clay body bird ears Vtnfaj which shall be birds ears and acquit the blind and the leper ears Taking the dead out my ear Taking Kvvt brown Israel said about you, when you came with the evidence, he said: This is only of them indicated charm
And when I suggested to the apostles that they believe in me and my Messenger, they said: We believe and bear witness that we are Muslims.
When the Apostles said, O Isa, the son of Mary, can your Lord give us a table from Heaven, he said, “Make sure that you are God.”
They said we want to eat from them and reassure our hearts, and we know that they have been true to us and we are witnesses to them.
Jesus, the son of Mary, O our Lord, may God give us a table from heaven. It will be a feast for us, for the first of us, and the last of us is the same.
God said that I place it on you, so whoever disbelieves after you, I will torment him as a punishment, and I will not torture anyone from work
Taking God said O Jesus the son of Mary, have you said to people Atakdhuna and my mother as gods besides Allah glorified what I have to say what I do not have the right if you said you have taught him to learn what to myself, I do not know what you yourself are you unseen?
What I told them only what it ordered me to worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord, and I was a witness against them as long as you are in them when Tovitni you censor them and everything you martyr
If you torment them, then they are your worshipers, and if you forgive them
Allah said this day, the truthful ones will benefit from their sincerity for them. Heaven will flow from underneath which rivers are immortal in them.
To God is the King of the heavens and the earth and what is in them and He is above all
4 - Surah An-Nisa 6
The original churches were just houses but I get where your coming from
The actual meaning of church is the body of christians, not the structure where they congregate. So it really doesn’t matter where they physically worship.
The original churches were in houses but welcome to the fact we since built cathedrals for God to live in.
If necessary we can resort to houses etc, but we have the resources and tradition of building something beautiful for him, shopping malls are this purposeful decadence only possible in the post Christian evangelical crowd
3:20 oh for heaven's sake, nobody is oppressing evangelicals with the darn bathroom bill. They're responsible for their own isolation, they built the walls themselves.
I’ll admit many evangelicals were scared of the bathroom bill and made it a bigger problems than what it was. So bad to the point that we let it blind us to bigger issues
@@Zay4Life Like trans people being killed by pastors and police, denied basic housing and other human rights in the name of religious freedom, I hope?
L Francis yes, and while I Can’t speak for other I know that we don’t have to always agree but one thing we should all agree with is that no one should be killed or denied basic human rights
@@Zay4Life Including the right to equal marriage, employment, and medical care? Just checking because "religious freedom" kills.
Well, evangelicals are oppressed by the bathroom bill, because it would seem that the church has moved into the bathroom.
Summary: Evangelicals are going fascist rather than accept progress
I'd love to hear this definition of fascism.
I mean, Hilary and Obama are evangelical - just not 'conservative fundamentalist evangelicals' like those that worship trump
Going? They've been there from the start
@@sanguiniusthegreatangel6834 murdering more people than any other group in the history of mankind when their cute is challenged. The crusades, Inquisition, etc
@@neomeg2232 The highest estimate for deaths during the all crusades is about 3 million collectively. The inquisition killed several thousand. Stalin killed between 6 - 9 million people by himself and Hitler killed roughly 12 million people. Both of those were secular regimes. You know it takes about 10 minutes to look this stuff up. You may want to do that next time instead of making an obviously bogus claim and looking like a moron.
*_"Sense of hypocrisy"_*
One of the reasons why I left the church
We are sinners and we are so sorry for the sins we committed against you. Please forgive us
Focus on your own walk with god not the others around you trust me man will disappoint you
If the church and ppl failed to follow what's in the bible then, they're not a good follower of Christ. If you see something wrong, rebuke them. Don't get rid of the problem instead lead them to the right path.
The issue stems from the hypocrisy in the actual text of the Bible. Don’t grandstand.
Great excuse, then you set your sights on man and not on Christ
This guy reminds me of David Thewlis in Kingdom of Heaven. It's refreshing, even as a liberal atheist, to see a center-left network like HBO interviewing an entirely reasonable evangelical. Well done HBO, points for decency.
liberal is not the same as center left
Accountable, honoring the separation of church and state and being taxed if they are profiteering .... we can only hope!
Evangelicalism destroyed many original cultures of this planet.
You mean humanity did. All its aspects, all the ones that have meant that what stands today stands. They've destroyed the diversity of life, belief and existence.
It’s about time we Muslims take over
gunzonline lol nice meme edgelord
Andrew Wang I know right
What cultures would those be?
Why are they being asked how we can be more inclusive of them? Seriously? These ppl thrive on exclusion and discrimination.
janewright315 No we really don’t.
In our eyes everyone is a sinner and all sin is equal. How can we be less inclusive with a mindset like that? In our eyes all people fall short of what is expected of us in the eyes of our savior, and on the eyes of God.
Did you see the video? He brings it up.
@@janewright315 You mean the women who disagree with other women? I know you'd love to believe it's all evangelicals fault, but the simpler answer is that not all women think the same way and disagreeing with you doesn't make one an evangelical.
@@sanguiniusthegreatangel6834 no one said anything about simple disagreement. I don't give a crap if you disagree with someone or not. But when you start to legislate your OPINIONS and forcing them onto other people, this is no longer an issue of disagreement.
Very well done interview - thought provoking questions and he responded in an honest manner
Yes
"We love all God's children unless they need to pee. "
... They can still use the appropriate bathroom.
@@briang3598 The appropriate bathroom is the one they want to use.
@@andrewharper1609 hell yeah!
lol
we love all if they are white christian (our sort of christian) heterosexuals. all others we will try to make as miserable as possible or even kill
"Some of Obama's policies really really scared evangelicals"?? Why don't you just be honest and say "The fact that a black guy got elected as president really really scared evangelicals." Stop beating around the bush.
Kim Jong Fun this is garbage
Accurate AF
exactly..
It really isn’t. I am an evangelical and I couldn’t stand Obama. Literally do not care one iota that he is black. Are you also going to say that we hate women so that’s why Hillary didn’t win? I’d vote for Nikki Haley over Trump, etc any day.
@@yoloman544 you're a self-admitted evangelical so you're clearly delusional. the opinions of psychopaths hold no merit..
You mean that anime with the giant robots?
PowahSlap Entertainmint yeah, Evan-jelly-on
I'm down for this religion, where do we start?
Cue Cruel angel thesis.
You're everywhere
You're a professional CZcams commenter
So, essentially evangelicals retaliated to fear mongering.
thats a lot of what republicans do to. or at least they are victims of it. just watch fox news and you can see how much fear mongering there is
I'd like to spend an afternoon just having lunch and talking religion and politics with this evangelical pastor. And I'm a cradle Catholic.
most people are loooking for a political leader and they want to be accepted by the world and want to have a religion based on common world sense. Jesus came on earth to die for us because we are sinners. He never came on earth to give it a political sense. He never came on earth to be accepted by the world. Christians will be rejected by the world and people need to repent and accept Jesus Christ. It is not about religion and politics. It is about faith. Religion is based on actions, faith on beliefs. Jesus will save people based on what they believed, not base on what they did for their religion/political party
This pastor is one of the best representatives of the evangelical side, calm, non-judgemental and not afraid to discuss the difficult nuances. I'm an atheist, but I like the guy's way of explaining his side.
Don't let there gentle face fooling you, that is one of there mind control and convertion tactics of christians, they use sympathy manipulations, they pretend to accept your oppinions, when you caught off guard, this preachers will begin to slowly preaching about christianity again your will, they do this in your getting hyped emotions, when you susceptible into this beliefs systems with an illusions trance, they also will try find something that can make you get hyped, specially they using situations that can misleading people's minds and trust.
The evangelicals lost all credibility in their support of Donald Trump.
no
@Pissed Off Billie I like how you just assumed he is a Democrat cause he is critical of President Trump.
What America doesn't need are/is malleable reactionary religious groups lead by easily bought of leaders
they were losing credibility before that but that certainly put them over the edge.
1:51 it was an Albertsons. It was a early 2000's design for its Texas division.
Future of Evangelicals: Cleansing from earth
I hope so... They're a pest
Interesting comment Tolgz, you don't beat around the bush, I appreciate that at least you're saying exactly what you think. But what makes you think that's an appropriate response to Evangelicalism? I am a Christian myself, from Britain.
The Evangelicals in America behave differently than those in the rest of the world. In Europe and in my home country France, we are growing in number and trying our best to follow Jesus’ teachings. I hope that the Americans realize that Evangelical means different things in different parts of the world.
@@isabelleleblanc-cheminant1078 Amen!
This is why they lost so many youth. They look like blind hypocrites that don’t care about the teachings of Jesus at all..
@Ezmyrelda Andrade you've never taken a history class in your life
Bc evangelicals love the fire and brimstone of the Old Testament and hate the love and hope of Jesus Christ.
what isn't going anywhere ..are the words ...of Jesus..stating..very clearly all who reject Him are currently condmned in their sins..and will face the wrath of God..nor..will the True disciples of Jesus..cease to state this Truth As Jesus...states..will occur..
That sounds like 6 out of 7 churches I checked out in Oklahoma. Plus another 20ish churches in West Virginia. The few good ones didn't just acknowledge their occasional hypocrisy but set out to help the community. The ones that refused to acknowledge their problems, I walked away from (typically after one single sermon).
Evangelical were so worried about sharing bathrooms but were fine with guns in the classroom!
The epidemic of school shootings is directly linked to God being removed from the political sphere and class rooms. How many school shootings you had prior to the 1960's?
Show us that study!
I'm really asking you the question because I don't know: how many school shootings you had in America prior to the 60's? Was it so common as it is now?
Thomas Anderson wrong Christians are actually commanded to sell their clothes for swords or guns in modern language.
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Luke 22:36
Daniel, this passage takes place right before Jesus' passion. It's not a permission or command for the laity to buy guns.
You know my favorite part was the pastor exclaiming 'Does anyone think otherwise?'
Hypocrisy is misunderstood. When a person struggles with sin, they're not hypocrites. Hypocrisy is to lie about one's weakness.
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I don’t think that’s what’s being touched on at all here. The hypocrisy mentioned is how young people see injustice in the world, and see not only no attempt by their churches to address it, but no biblical reason for it to be addressed. They read the Bible, which is told to contain the word of God and give perfect moral imperatives, and see ways that they themselves could improve the moral landscape! They wonder why God chose to compelled people to not use his name in vain instead of compelling people never to own another human. They wonder why a God who demands we not murder admits to multiple genocides in his own holy book.
@@sigmalefty393
Maybe you missed the whole reason for all this:
Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: *cursed* is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
(Slavery exists in this world)
_Versus_
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
(Slavery won't exist in this world)
This is a truly underwhelming defense. YOU are ascribing slavery as sinful, and therefore something that will be eliminated with the return. God spares no effort making sure we understand that those who have gay sex should be stoned, or at least are sinful, but you have to make this pathetic attempt to draw out that slavery is immoral? Do you know the mind of God? Clearly, because he never NEVER directly condemns the institution of slavery in his holy book. Why? Why not?
@@sigmalefty393
If you want to understand God, I suggest you read the entire Bible and meditate on it. For us who have done so, we have a fair idea how God wants us to live and why. We still have questions but everyday we come to a better understanding of how God does things.
Whatever God forbade humans not to do and they did, the consequences were laid out for future generations to learn. Ever since the world turned itself against God, we have only inflicted woes upon our lives despite the mind-blowing advancement in science.
This a topic very close to my heart because my Christian faith and spirituality is something that is very close to my heart and is a cornerstone of my life. I will always be a Christian but over the past two years I had to leave evangelicalism because the hypocrisy and straight up vitriol just became too much. They completely strayed from the message of Jesus's words and instead became like the religious leaders and pharisees that killed him. They sacrificed their souls for security and ultimately power in the culture war.
Dorcas W I’ve been praying for this. For we were baptized into Christ, nothing else. That is why you see hypocrisy because like the Pharisees, they are a denomination, and God did not command anyone to form denominations. Pride begets sin.
I became horrified to see my pure heart God loving friends support and actually justify Trump. I haven't been to church in 2 years and will not be going back. Doesn't mean I don't believe in God, I just can't surround myself with such hypocritical nonsense. I'm not angry at Evangelicals. I'm just so.... Disappointed.
@M Muss I haven't in fact God and faith is what got me through the hurt and disappointment
I am with you, Dorcas... leave behind all that is not of mature, wise love and walk on. Without condemnation for what we leave behind, we just walk on...
@Dorcas: Thank you for being honest. The irony is, if more Christians were like you, more people would be Christians.
It was never about Trump. It was about electing someone who would appoint conservative federal judges and Supreme Court judges to dictate our society for generations after this presidency. They knew the long game.
I read many comments but you sir hit the spot truly your are an intelligent person .... bravo
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Isn't it ironic that they sold their souls for judges instead of god
How do you explain their support of Slavery, racism and Right wing hatred? You are full of shit Andrew.
@Nelson's Rudolph I'm scared in 10 20 years america becomes a theocracy
Have you watched "The Family" on Netflix? Very interesting and insightful series as to how we got to where we are...
I'm glad that VICE got Gianna to do the interview, she's smart and bold, instead of some young 18 year old guy. Their pastor or leaders might trick him into some meth dungeon. Oh wait that's the Catholic Church? oh no, he would have to be 7 years old.
To be right in the wrong way, is to be wrong.
Damn, love that quote.
So in other words, Evangelicals voted for Trump out of fear. Totally biblical. Smh
Well their whole religion is founded on "faith through fear."
False. It is founded on love. "There is no fear in love."
Wow. We had a choice of someone who promised to ignore us and destroy our culture, or someone with an inconsistent record who at least promised to represent us. Don't delude yourself into thinking atheist conservatives don't exist who supported Trump in the primaries, or that evangelicals didn't heavily support Cruz or Rubio in opposition to Trump in the primaries. Tell me Hillary was your first choice, then put yourself in the shoes of a voter just 5-10% more conservative than yourself. That's why Trump won. It was a referendum on Hillary, who was only on top because the DNC needed to repay her for years of humiliating servitude. She was never popular with anyone except feminists.
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Tell me, what is "our culture?" How would she have destroyed said "culture?" Fox News has you trained well.
Trump's a spoiled man child who cares more about campaigning than governing. Our national debt is sky rocketing, wages dropping, and racial tensions growing. The next recession is already on the horizon. We are the laughingstock of the free world and teach our kids that Moses influenced the founding fathers more than the thinkers of the enlightment.
Represent you? Trump cares about military parades, tanks, and aircraft carriers more than improving housing, healthcare, and education. Why should he? The more lower class, the more worker drones to work in factories. Look at the rights absolute hatred of colleges. There's a reason for that. The higher educated the less likely you are to support a racist, populist megalomaniac. But hey, at least we have "clean" coal.
@@AATT-py7tn Btw, she was popular enough to win 3 million more votes than Trump. There's a reason why Trump's highest approval ratings are still lower than Obama's worst. America will progress, regardless of the evangelical conservatives holding us back.
Is it just me, or does 'more progressive' really just mean 'more empathetic to people outside one's circle'? How it is so socially acceptable to talk about progress as a choice?? The Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines 'progress' as the gradual betterment; to develop toward a higher, better, or more advanced stage. A person who declares themselves as 'not progressive' really is conveying that they are perfectly content with the progress that they have been dealt in society, and do not wish to incur any personal costs as a byproduct of other cultural and racial groups being able to make the same progress. That is a demoralizing, and apparently widespread, level of selfishness
It's mainly indifference, because they can't relate and choose not to - so yeah in that sense it's pretty selfish because it's easier.
I hear a lot of people say conservatives don't care and progressives are "more empathetic" but I think you misunderstand why a lot of conservatives fight developing social norms. Take something like "feminism" or the idea that women don't need men and aren't any different in nature. Everyone called conservatives sexist for opposing the feminist movement. But now even progressive studies indicate one of the leading correlations of criminal history and poverty is not having fathers in the home. The left spent the 70s,80s, and 90s telling women they "don't need a man" or your "better off without one". Now 20 years later the groups the left claim to protect are even worse off because of it. Currently, over 60% of black kids live in single-parent households. And it can't be racism, as that number is almost twice as high as it was during segregation. Progressives shouted from the mountain tops that women didn't need a man. The reality? Even if you don't, your kids sure do. Not all progress is good progress. Conservatives don't hate people, we love them enough to save them from themselves.
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@@Jamdouglass thank you so much for bring this up. I was wrong, it is actually 66%
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@@calebpaddack7450 is this including incarceration rates as to...where the men have gone? Or just looking at it in a vacuum? Stable households can be stable with a single parent. Poverty is the greatest enemy to a stable society. The inability to feed and cloth your children leads to instability. They feed into each other.
4:53 I think he meant to say “last two thousand years”, no?
What's the other name for evangelicals?
Hypocrites
These people are afraid of change. They don’t want it
i hate how they conflate bigotry with religious authenticity. It's sickening.
Not every conservative is a nazi, odd that every nazi is a conservative.
There's an old saying that fits here: "If God thinks like you do, than you've created a god in your own image."
Organized religion condons bigotry, you just don't want to belive it. Read your bible.
And I hate how conservatives conflate religious authenticity with bigotry. It's sickening.
its because their christain bible tells them to be slaves to any leader of the country the reside. so since trump said he would do "the right thing" they literally thought he was mana from from the cheetos god .... otherwise why would he be so yellow and orange?
i think thats proof enough for the earth people of
ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha.
do you have any fish from Magrathea?
THis is a teaser but I checked HBO and this documentary is not on there. Link?
Hopefully we will see the fall of the McChristians in America.
I am a believer of free speech, enterprise and freedon of religion, I dont wish demise on anyones religion. I wish we could just all get along and let each other live the life each choose to live without interruption of other peoples lives! I want others to be free to be, because I want to be free to be!
McChristians??????
Is “McChristians” the Moral Majority of the 00s/10s/20s?
Zeus Incoming2 lol good luck with that
*To everyone speaking hatefully of this man:*
Look... as far as "radical Christians" go, that guy sounds pretty levelheaded. He seems to stand up and acknowledge the wrongs that are happening.
I have never seen his sermons, so I'll try to find some and see if he's consistently for a just and compassionate following of Jesus. There ARE such kind Christians, they DO exist. We don't notice them very often because they aren't shoving their religion in our faces. Most of us don't see the kind helpers because most of us aren't going to soup kitchens, or warming shelters, or food drives, or womens' shelters, or mens' shelters (yes they exist), or in that lifestyle of servitude to others.
Even as an non-diest I wish people would stop acting like all Christians, of all of the thousands flavors of Christianity, are bad people. I don't think believing in any God is a prerequisite of being a good person, but having been around a number of Jesuits, I can attest that there ARE truly kind and gentle and non-judgmental Christians out there who genuinely believe it is their purpose from God to bring love and kindness to others, no matter who they are.
TL;DR: please, y'all....there's so much hatred in the world....give credit to kindness, wherever it is found. Y'all speaking so hatefully would be so much better off taking that energy and turning it into a kind act for a stranger.
Don't just talk about it, be about it.
As an ex-Christian, Christianity itself is inherently abusive, not to mention sexist and homophobic. I am still traumatized from my parents telling me I will suffer for all of eternity for thought crimes. Christianity needs to die.
I know its homophobic but sexist? Couldn't find anything on that and is it serious that you are traumatized from your parents telling you about how like you'll go to hell for sinning or something?
@@DS-rk8qz Any excuse is better than none. That featured pastor did seem a bit...effeminate
The conservative and Evangelical special interest groups are not helping the Christian people's images.
@@DS-rk8qz The bible is sexist. There are different rules for men and women, and women are lesser people. For example a male slave must be set free after 7 years, but female slaves are never set free.
What a smooth talker. He makes nonsense sound smart just by how he presents it.
Inferno361 if people like him never stepped up the church would be extinct right now. people like him doing damage control are their last hope.
Like Jordan Peterson
He's a professional bullshitter like all priests, pastors, mediums, psychics, con artists, cult leaders, etc.
Its about time Muslims take over
Inferno361 He just sounds like a politician.. and that’s the problem. Religion should not be a party based thing. It’s hard to understand their sacrificing of their deepest beliefs for this.
Can someone provide the full upload of this documentary?
The nuthouse, that's the future of Evangelicalism.
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"people are frightened at the speed of change" Yea, so the whole world should slow down or accept discriminatiom cause your brains can't handle change
Well say man !!
I think we need to define what is meant by discrimination. The male/female rest room Issue is an example. Their freedom was infringing on on the freedom of others.
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How? Who is infringing on your ability to use the restroom? I've probably used a bathroom with a trans woman and just dont know it. Because I dont look at other people's genitals in the bathroom.
To Genie #GlassLamp
I was able to find you. It’s not a crowded comment section any more...
Point taken. I am sure there are no rest room police checking at the door. When I went to senior shopping hour there we’re plenty of young people in the store. No one checked my license etc.
I think It should be the individuals choice which restroom to use. I think attempting to try to legislate all gender rest rooms was a mistake because it was placed in the public domain. That’s where it was infringing on others by legally blurring the lines between male and female rest rooms. Laws by nature needs to be general and not ambiguous.
I just want to say I'm surprised and proud of VICE news for talking to someone who is representative of a great number of Evangelicals, rather than just an extreme political person masquerading as a Christian.
"Why aren't they wearing masks?!-" *sees it was posted in 2018* "...oh.
As an atheist, Chandler is someone I can get behind. He’s very progressive, a big BLM supporter and pro-choice. Fair play to him - if only more Christians were like him. A cool dude
Matt Chandler has historically been very pro-life, where have you seen him say he is pro-choice?
I just love how humble this journalist from Vice HBO is. She always approaches the topics with such a humane touch. Without being judgemental and sarcastic. LOVE HER JOURNALISM
I was born into evangelism...
I am now an Atheist.
welcome to the family glad to have u
Hopefully you find your way back to Jesus before the 11 hour. You want to be in heaven not a lake of fire
Cool.
Good you weren't born into Islam.
You'd be dead. 👍
Obviously makes sense... U think for yourself
Though I'm born in a divorced household, I still retain my Christian faith. Granted, I can see why so many are walking away, I don't disagree with the reasons, not after talking with numerous atheists from Christian families (one of whom is a best friend). So, with that in mind, I know it's a cliche at this point to here, but I'm willing to offer up a prayer for anyone who is okay with it. Please, be civilized with me as ya'll would likewise. Anyone have a request?
These churches are always kind of strange to me. It’s like a weird arena style production or something. I’d rather just go to a quaint little chapel or something lmao 😂😂😂😂
Matt Chandler is such an amazing preacher. I seriously recommend listening to him.
The way the evangelical leader orates and emphasizes the emotional expressions (help, afraid, like, terrified etc) shows he is nothing short of a creepy cult leader.
Matt Chandler has to be part of the southern baptist convention which causes him to attempt to straddle the issues to appease the critical race theory advocates.
Resolution 9 has embraced this.
So either he backs it or must speak out against it.
This was so good in just 5 short minutes. I love how the journalist Gianna Toboni is able to ask questions that draw out comprehensive responses and be so calm cool and collected in an hearing out an opinion that I am guessing she doesn't agree with at all.
man the interviewer's haircut game is strong!
Re: the "mall" design... Was it a pre-existing facility that they acquired? Pretty smart, because the amenities enhance the experience. Or did they build with re-sale value in mind?
That is one smooth talking conman.
If trump isn't the exact opposite of what a good Christian should be, you tell me what is. if you are a Christian you need to remember in revelations were it warns of false prophets. seems to me these evangelicals need to read and study their bible more.
farmerd6 That’s the thing, they don’t. They pick Bible verses that fall in line with their own set of beliefs while ignoring the rest out of convenience.
The bible says that because it was written by a powerful church that knew that people will create their own god, just like they did. So to ensure it could sound like a prophecy they wrote it which gained them validation. YES its a damn obvious prophecy.
I would have agreed with you until I studied the bible. The degree and extent of immorality praised in that book is stunning.
ÓTIMO VIDEO PARABENS!!! , continue com o excelente trabalho
I do not get it that he blames " the media" whipped up evangelicals into a frenzy .
I understand why did they prefer him over Hilary, but I don't get why did them vote for him on the republican primary
So THAT'S what happened to Barnes & Noble, they just had to change the name on the front!! Too bad those people haven't read their entire holy book front to back, or read enough other books in general, for that matter! 📚⛪
Did you interview the Christians who left, and asked them why they did it?
Probability because they didn’t believe in it
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
Surprisingly good video
Agreed. As an agnostic liberal, I have a feeling from the many negative comments that I see around here is that they didn't really listen to the video...
I am an evangelical Christian, but honestly I don’t like associating with that title because of the behavior of so many others who also call themselves evangelicals. I am not fooled by Donald Trump, and I knew that voting for him would have compromised my own sense of morality- not just on a policy level because I know that a person who speaks and acts like Trump does not have a love of others in his heart.
Just so anyone out there reading this may have a shred of hope or even just the knowledge that there is at least two (including my husband) Bible-believing evangelicals out there who full-heartedly denounce:
-pedophilia -transphobia -homophobia
-prosperity ministries where churches prey on the poor -Islamophobia -radical nationalism
-putting corporations over people
-enforcement of restrictive gender roles
-corporate greed -any harmful, hateful, bigoted or racially-motivated violence
-prayer in public schools -religion forced down anyone’s throat -gay conversion therapy
-the “Under God” mention in the Pledge of Allegience -treating America as a “Christian nation” when it is made up of people of so many diverse backgrounds who have no representation
I am out here.
I support the ideals of Black Lives Matter. I want more peace in the country. I sold most of my belongings to live within my means in a tiny home so that I wouldn’t be as tempted to participate in consumerism. I am a woman going to law school so that I can help those who are ignored or injured by our justice system. I am bi-sexual. I love God with all my heart and have a close relationship with Him. I look to my loving, caring, merciful, graceful God to live my everyday life and to guide me. But I know that we can do better than this. Churches should not be better-stocked than homeless shelters. Pastors should not make more money than the bus driver who drops off the poorest congregants. No one in the church should be going hungry or worrying about paying their bills because they feel pressured to donate to churches.
Wonder why all of the strip mall churches and property ministries are losing money and members? Because that way of thinking doesn’t work out. God doesn’t want you in a Mercedes when you brothers and sisters down the street are sleeping under the freeway in a tent. Donating to the church doesn’t mean that God will bless you extra specially. As an evangelical, I can say that I don’t believe God wants us to focus on ourselves, but on helping others.
Well I'm an atheist but bless you!
Agnostic here standing with you on social values.
I said Christianity itself is evil as an ex Christian, and I still agree with that because hatred is so pervasive in the church culture that I feel that it IS the religion at this point, but I would fully support a genuinely Christ-like religion. Unfortunately, that religion would be completely different from Christianity as we know it
I've waited so long for this comment
'I sold most of my belongings to live within my means in a tiny home so that I wouldn’t be as tempted to participate in consumerism'
And that's what Christianity calls for - huge life altering decisions of self-denial! The hypocrites in these mega churches are scared of those ideas which is why they have created their own religion
Can we have an update? Your journalistic style is refreshing.
I might not like this guy but “to be right the wrong way is wrong” is one of the best quotes I’ve heard
The pastor is acknowledging real issues. That's the first step.
Except the major one: evangelicals tacitly want the world to end.
I'm so glad that I don't need any crazy people telling me how to be a good person.
Vanessa Raymond Christianity isn’t about telling people how to be good, it’s telling bad people how they can be forgiven. One person’s definition of good varies from another’s, if being good is simply living according to one’s own definition, then that goodness is virtually worthless.
@@bjn3232 well...i think it's both....
False Professor No Longer But if your brand of Christianity supports Trump you are a Hypocrite. Better to be hot or cold... Trump is clearly cold and these losers are lukewarm.
Be good! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
@@bjn3232 that "worthlessness" is the corner foundation of almost every great invention and good idea ever created by mankind in existence ever! True justice is found by good intentions , not based on any concept other than it was the "right" thing to do.
“To be right the wrong way, is to be wrong”. I’m going to use that, that’s good.
Good man, great interview.
I would have gone back to church the next day after the election if evangelicals said it would be better to not vote than to vote for the complete non~christ like candidate trump. Instead, they put him in the same category as an apostle. I was completely done with church after this last election. You know, you don't have to vote if you find both candidates repulsive. Just spend the next 4 years praying for a better candidate. But fan~girling over Trump just exposed their pure hypochracy and moral decay.
Hopefully there's no future for evangelicalism.
Venser yeah because soon Muslims will take over
gunzonline How are they taking over?
Lord Papeles seriously? Look at Sweden, Germany, France. Islam is the fastest growing religion right now. It’s only a matter of time before America becomes one of those countries
gunzonline Ok that is over there and America isn't taking in refugees from the middle east there is a travel ban from letting them into the U.S. Also I don't see Americans lining up and converting to Islam especially they aren't becoming radical extreme Muslims. I think you're just watching the news and fearing for the worst.
Lord Papeles America isn’t taking refugees...only while trump’s in the office
I served in an evangelical church as recently as 7 years ago. There were many good people, but certain leaders in the smaller teams didn't behave as kindly to me as I expected. So I de-churched myself ever since.
"What is the future...?, pool boys!
Please do stories about EX-evangelicals. We don't need preachers to explain our POV. Let use speak for ourselves.
But this is a preacher who's trying to change the way the church thinks from the inside. That's what I'm hoping for too. You can't expect anything to change as a result of leaving. I don't want religion to die. If you've ever known the value of God, why would you want it to?
HBO VICE news did a report tonight on ex-Evangelical preachers, now atheists.
Biggest problem? They have zero concern for the poor and the downtrodden. They do everything in their power to back policies that harm the marginalized.
@Raven Yes it does. I am a Christ follower as well and I can say with certainty that most "churches" fail at their duty to be charitable to the poor and downtrodden. I wish it wasn't so but I can only control my own actions and encourage others to be Christlike.
damn didnt realize they brought in matt chandler to talk. Solid choice.
"To be right the wrong way is to be wrong."
I love that.
Dont expect irrational people that believe in holy ghosts to have a rational, logic based approach to anything. Hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance are at the heart of evangelical perspective.
Hopefully it has no future.
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I love Vice doing this kind of reporting
This was an excellent video. The opinions were spot on with reality. I was impressed by the intelligence of the evangelical speakers speaking about the social problems and image of he group. And I say this as an atheist. Good luck guys (really).