Why I Left an Evangelical Cult | Dawn Smith | TEDxNatick
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- With humor and piercing observations, Dawn Smith sheds light on growing up in a religious cult and what it takes to leave everything you’ve ever known. This poignant story will make you cry and laugh as she shares her struggles with joining the outside world. Dawn grew up in California and moved to Chicago to work in media. She now lives in Brookline, MA, where she works on screenplays, political and issue advertising, standup comedy, and produces the comedy web series, PAID FOR BY. Visit Dawn’s website at www.pushbackfilms.com This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx
I grew up in a small, abusive family cult. I ran away when I was 17. That was 13 years ago, and I haven't spoken to any of my family since. I am in therapy still trying to recover, I changed my name and will never give a TED talk because I don't want to be found. Dawn Smith is bright, brave and brilliant for getting out and building a life where she can talk about this without fear.
I'm glad you made it out. Hug.
Sounds similar to what I went through.
Run away from pathological relationship and embrace God, who is the king of freedom and love. God gives you wisdom to find Him alone and be really free... and maybe, some day you can go back and teach your loved ones about the truth. God bless you!
I’m happy you got out!
I’m so happy you made it out! I pray God blesses you and protects you , always.
As Mike Render put it, "If you want to know if a group is a religion or a cult, look at what they do to people who try to leave."
Excellent distinction.
Actually a far more important one than even their theological views.
Mormonism
My church always tell them to pray. And if that is what the Lord tells them to do, they can go. (Them being the people who want to leave)
@@laurasofie same with my church we also pray the sunday after they leave for protection (for them) and that they may find a place where they feel at home and most connected to God
@@riannejansen7037 Okay, but any idea why past examples of protection for Jewish people, within prior Christendom, was such a drastically poorer priority...?
Just an observation.
As a mental health counselor, I have supported a few people coming out of a cult. Its heart wrenching to see the psychological damage caused by these groups. Thank you for sharing.
I lived for decades with a lid on my painful experiences and felt like I had dealt with them pretty well, then my brother’s suicide in response to completely untreated and painful cancer has opened back up the can of worms. I wish more therapists and professionals had good information about this phenomenon and how vascularized the damage often is.
Bahaha! You can’t spell culture without cult, so you suggest people should not have cultures? 🤔
@@alzabeesww 😢
New Age , beware ..... !
From one cult to another .!!
I feel though, having been in a cult myself, that people very seldom understand and support what I’ve been through. Surely evangelicals I know don’t, but it’s other people too and it’s so tiresome. Like you have to prove to people you’ve been in a sect.
i escaped a christian cult last year. i had no idea it was a cult until i tried to leave. they stalked me. they threatened me. i was told the only way out is death. i feared for my life. i went into hiding across the country pretending to be homeless. i was on the run for 6 months. i am finally writing a book about my experiences and the cult that tried to sacrifice me. leaving a cult is scary. but your bravery will always be rewarded.
Please report them to the authorities!
@@SiniSimon YES good point.
You can leave an anonymous tip my dude.
Let me know when your book is published!
Name of book?
Wow, “the hardest day of freedom is better than the best day in a cult.” Powerful line.
It's her perception Quantum Leap, you can't say it's exaggerated just because you don't agree with it. I get your point, but from her standpoint I totally understand the state of mind, and the use of this pseudo figure-of-speech.
Quantum Leap are you a man, or a woman? Would take a wild guess you're a guy. The fact that you think my opinion is worthless because I didn't belong to a cult says a lot about yourself. The fact that you also put every cult in the same bag is also worrying, and that by knowing one you seem to know them all is also a bit odd, and worrying at the same time. You should be more responsible.
I think it might also be about not the actual day itself being better, but when she was in the cult, she always had this cult over her head, which might leave even the best day in years with a very bitter taste.
Abraham Serafino so are your her brother? Because unless you are, you won’t know what she feels really and even if you are you still probably wouldn’t know because you’re not her. Not only she has the cult life over her childhood and family, but her father started as she stated in the beginning. She probably feels somewhat responsible for other people’s life in it since it’s her family who lured them into it. That’s not exaggerated; you just can’t relate in the same level because, well, you’re not her and we are all different and process and understand differently; you can be sympathetic or empathetic, but you’ll never be literally in her shoes so you’ll never truly grasp her feelings.
As someone who was raised in a cult, I also think this is a powerful and lovely sentiment. The hallmark of a cult is control and force. Everything was tinged by control and was forced, even the joy. Even on "good" days, I lived knowing in the back of my mind that someone else was being abused by the cult system. Allowing yourself to be controlled and forced is easier in many ways. Being free is actually harder, but it's worth it.
"Staunch loyalty to any group is wrong if it means supporting an abusive, narcissistic, pathological liar." Girl, you said a MOUTHFUL.
anyone else think TRUMP??
Perfectly said
I honestly scrolled down to the comments to see if anyone was preemptively defending the president.
Which would be hilarious.
Do you know that you can also set them off by talking about the Confucian Philosopher Prince? It’s a short essay about leadership that has become soul-crushing for most mainstream Republicans to read.
damn someone beat me to the "trump" comment lol
"Staunch loyalty to any group is wrong..."
She could have left it there. Being staunchly loyal to anyone or anything is a fantastic way of opening yourself up to manipulation.
People are fallible. Mistakes will always be made. Never trust implicitly and always ask questions.
"One day, you will grow up and you can realise that you can leave all of this."
Powerful statement 🙌
Very powerful 🤣
It's just so basic and lacks even the slightest amount of power.
Yes leave everything Just Pray alone.
@@srijanghoshh8633 No prayer required.
It's really inspiring to see this woman who has experienced a ton of trauma and yet she has not let it destroy her. She is really funny and that gives me hope
" one day you will grow up and you will realize you can leave all of this."
......a year later i finally found the courage to leave it all behind too.
You're amazing, I send you a hug and I hope the best for you
Please don't call Jehovah's Witnesses evangelical.
I'm incredibly happy for you, enjoy life :)
sali, well done
@@josephherrera4771 When was the last time you were in DMV?
You see I was like you -afraid, unsure and doing stuff I shouldn't do, like showing people pictures with little girls head on fire.
But you know what I've learned? That, just go into the DMV and let go of all my wrong doings. It filled me with joy I felt nowhere else.
Wouldn't you like to go to the DMV and confess? Your Government is watching you and they want you to be happy. Thank you and have a nice day.
I grew up a nondenominational evangelical Pentecostal pastor’s daughter. I was not allowed to wear pants, wear make up, have piercings, cut my hair, watch television, listen to secular music, date, participate in sports, or make any decisions for my own life without writing to the “witness room” so a room full of strangers could pray over my life and write back what god wanted me to do. I left when I was eighteen. I lost all my friends and a few family members. It’s been 3 years since I have left and it remains a struggle emotionally and psychologically. The worst day of freedom, is better than the best day in a cult”. That statement keeps me going.
I grew up the same way and its been over a year for me, and just been struggling psychologically as well, but it is well worth it.
anne lenora brown If you haven't already, go to counseler who specializes in PTSD and trauma. Not saying everyone experience is the same way but I left when I was 20, at 24 I had a nervous breakdown and almost lost my life. Even still I didn't get into counseling until I was 35. Its the best thing ever, and wish someone told me sooner that even though I was "living", I wasn't living to my potential out of hidden fears. Anytime something bad happened, it was God punishing me, then Id figuratively pummel myself internally for being "bad". Maybe you understand what I mean. Anyways, good luck to you and hope the closeness you shared with those people doesn't lure you back.
Anne Lenora Brown I grew up with the "witness room" too. I saw it destroy many lives. I left at 17.
History of my life...
I'm so sorry, Anne, that you had such experience. I hope it will not stop you from coming to real Jesus, who is pure Love and highest wisdom - one day, when you will be able to differentiate between Him and maybe somehow twisted represenatation of Him that you got through the church environment you grew up in. I hope I'll never scare off my daughters from following Jesus by unnecessary banning normal things, though I try to show them who is God and how I learn to know Him, and obviously, bring them up with as much wisdom as I can get. Everything has a right time, so you cannot give full freedom to a young child what he or she will wear, where they will go, also start dating in very young age is not the best idea, etc. But these things must be communicated with love and supported by loving enviromnment, not by fear and isolation. And as the children are growing up, they can bear more freedom and use it responsibly. I hope you'll get it together in your life and wish you come to meet the real, living God, who is gentle and never leads you through hard ordering, intimidation, discouragement. Jesus is the best to look for and look at, when we are trying to find real God.
I was born and raised in an evangelical church and this is so true it took me years and years of narcissistic abuse to leave and finally live a happy and healthy life
Same here.
years in evangelical churches, seen in fighting and power struggles, wishing I could leave but there is a purpose in my life by staying! Covid lockdown has kept me away for months and now I feel it could be time for a step away, but we all need to know connection with God dont we.
@@Richy-skys you can always remain a christian, just not an evangelical. wishing you a happy and safe journey if you decide to get out of evangelism
hi derek Its about mind control
To me, there is something sinister in the word evangelical. Although a baptized Christian, I was forced to attend evangelical events by my parents. It stopped when I was inducted into the military. I attended a Billy Graham event at the Angels Stadium in Anaheim. That was the very last time!
I love this lady. Her courage is commendable!! I had to do the same thing she did. I've had to cut off 95 percent of my family and friends from the cult. I'm living my best life!!!
@Moscow is for incels See.. this is what religion does; it separates, kills and mind fucks the vulnerable souls out there.
Did you ever find love?
"One day you will grow up and you will realize you can leave all of this." A perfectly timed life saving sentence. Thank you DS
I loved that.
4 months later & I hope this message finds you well!! 🏄🏻♀️
except we can't leave the demonstrable damage that female voting enfranchisement has done to western civilization
Thanks so much for your words. I too escaped an evangelical cult where my father was not only the minister but a seminary professor. I was shunned, told that therapy I entered in to in order to save my life from suicide was a cult. Best decision I ever made, not without a huge cost of family trauma and ostracism. Thanks for speaking for us! I’m now a physician and almost 70 years old and although I didn’t hear these exact words I remember two women in my life as a child (who only connected with me for a few minutes) who changed my life forever by loving me. In that short time I felt changed and knew there was a different world out there, a loving world I share now. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Hahaha, one day you won't wake up, ever wonder why that is? Gen 3;19, Rom 3;23, Rom 6;23?😊😊
I love her bubbly personality. Despite her hard past, she still manages to smile and make jokes about this dark subject. She’s so strong and such a great role model
You think this is "bubbly"? Really?
"one day you'll grow up and realize, you can leave all of this" wow. I felt seen. That's what happened to me. And it was and is incredibly painful.
Many years ago, I was sucked into an evangelical cult for 9 months. I was married with two children. We left the cult but not The Church or God. His mercy endures forever.
Exactly! Those "churches" who don't show love are the opposite of God, who is Love.
@@steph6453 What is thoughs churches are they here or next door and if so then we pretty much been taken be for we knew it any way. but the loving one who knows does what to stop it is nothing. we have to do it all for we are the ones who created it. Creator or flesh creator is absent like only in your heart when some one gets pissed because they really down deep don't know for sure. but expect what to hear is all way's a same but only way left seeking its way. Grace is shadowing sadly falling away each and every day.
We are Gods church, God don’t dwell in man made temples come out from amongst them God warns its deception
What bothered me is that evangelicals judge people. They are loud and believe they are right about everything.
@@brendaechols5929 Any type of evangelical or fundamentalist is a cultist, extremists. Mainly fundamentalists.
"My mother was his wife" This is what my experience growing up in church was.... My identity was, "wife".
Have you ever met a super religious woman with high self esteem? It doesn't happen, god doesn't allow property to have self esteem. The courage to break away is a beautiful thing.
Don't blame it on God. Man, without God is who puts people in chains. God leaves us free to be who we are. There is a difference between a religious person and someone living for God and being free. It's totally different.
I told my mom at age 5, “I want to be a pastor when I grow up.” Her response: “You can be a pastor’s wife.” Um... no thanks!
yeah, in my church you learn the husbands name, then you just call their wifes...."wife" and that was it.
There is nothing wrong with that, you can be a good wife and bring glory to God and assist your husband.
I just realized a cult is like having an abusive parent in a societal setting
EXACTLY! Michael Rauch, you hit that exactly on the head.
Agreed-excellent point. I was raised in a family run by an abusive and narcissistic woman. I left the cult (family) and have been disowned. It is VERY much like a cult. What a totally accurate way to look at it! Thank you for sharing this.
Kenneth Bachman- politely disagreeing. The biblical framework with focused the framers gave us orderly freedom. Sure, I agree that some (maybe too many... even 1 is too many) narcissist’s and covert narcissist’s make insidious cultishness out of others true faith. That’s not limited to evangelicalism. Most evangelicals stand for the morals of their faith as honestly (and not always as lovingly as we should) as you or anyone else does. The toot lacks the cult, but we get some bad apples and those bad apples ruin whole barrels of otherwise loving neighbors.
Jesus was a cultist, so what do you expect from christianity?
So much of your description fits perfectly with my recall of my 6 years in Scientology.
I admire and appreciate your strength!
WHAT'S THE BEST GIFT YOU COULD EVER RECEIVE?
Without a doubt ETERNAL LIFE!!
Accept this GIFT!!
IT'S A MATTER OF LIFE OR DEATH!
"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 6:23)
YOU CANNOT SAVE YOURSELF!!
"For by grace you are saved... not of works, so that no one may boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9)
GOD LOVES YOU AND HAS OFFERED YOU A SAVIOR. HE IS, JESUS CHRIST!!
"In while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8)
WANT TO ACCEPT HIM, REPENT AND RECEIVE HIM INTO YOUR LIFE TODAY? TOMORROW MAY BE LATE!!
"That whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)
"Jesus said to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but through Me." (John 14:6)
How much did it cost you? (I don't just mean financially, though of course we all know that outfit duns its members for $$$)
Oh snap you were in Scientology? Glad you made it back out. How did you know to get out?
I hear you....but I also regret how those who criticize the C of S (justly) often will not admit that this "tradition" did provide some valuable tools. Of course, this is QUITE apart from the "shenanigans" (and "out-ethics"..ha ha!!...Criminal Behavior)...of LRH and this nut (and tyrant) named Miscavige. If they tossed this guy out on his ass...I might even consider establishing new communication with Scientologists (assuming it was no longer STRONGLY cult-like...as it is now).
Same here as a ex Jehovah's witnesses
I love how she ends her speech the way it began, about a child.
This is the Gospel of the REAL JESUS:
JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose again on the third day. HE did this so that you be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. Those, who reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ, will go to ETERNAL SUFFERING, in the lake of fire.The GOOD NEWS is that if, you repent of ALL your sins and Trust in the RIGHT Jesus today, God will save you. He will grant you eternal life, not because you earned it, deserve it or because you are a good person, but because, He wants to give you eternal life as a FREE GIFT!!! The Bible says that God will make you Born Again. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. Do it today! Because tomorrow maybe too late!!!!
i was searching for someone who would finally write this comment
Hahaha, you and she failed to see that there has to be a falling away first before the Lord returns 2 Thess 2;3, all you're doing is fulfilling prophecy.
Do you and she have "freedom" from death and the grave Gen 3;19, Rom 3;23, Rom 6;23?
You, people, talk about belief in God is a cult but none of you can get past the grave without him, I suggest you take a closer look at a graveyard cause you can't say I changed my mind and walk away from that.
The Lord is the only way past the grave just because you don't like the rules they are not going to change...😊😊
@@armymanssg508 there's so much wrong with your thinking. I would feel sorry for you if I didn't understand God's Perfect System (He/She/It) ONLY does Perfect).
Before you reject out of hand what I (and God) have to say to you, we would request that you hear my qualifications first. I have been working directly for God for the past 14 years now. He has performed miracles through me with WITNESSES and many more without witnesses. In January 2008 He gave me a job description that says "I am sending you out by the Power of my Spirit to Release those bound by Fear, to Proclaim Forgiveness, and to Show Love to ALL men". Ironically, I don't have to like you but it is necessary that I love you. By the way, my job description is NOT an order or command from God but rather a request. God will NEVER (contrary to popular opinion) order anyone to do anything. To do so would be like throwing the proverbial monkey wrench into the workings of His Perfect System - and this He will NEVER do. It would make a mockery of Free Will and really mess up His Perfect System.
It is obvious that your perceptions are based on Fear. Spiritual observation says that Love will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS do the right thing. Fear, however, confuses and paralysis the mind and is the source of ALL heartache and misery on the planet. Fear is not only part of the problem - IT IS THE PROBLEM. It would benefit you (and the world) greatly if you could be honest (walk in God's Truth) and always question as to how you arrive at YOUR Truths - from a place of Love or from a place of Fear?
Please don't throw bible quotes at everything and everyone. You need to realize that ALL religions, under human custodianship, have warped and even outright lied about their Holy Scriptures in order to put the FEAR of God into their followers in order to control them. They ALL say basically the same thing " Give us your money and then let's go and eliminate those who don't believe as we do". Jesus said " Woe unto ye Pharisees. You are supposed to lead the people to God". They didn't then and they don't now. I know that God has preserved and protected the most important parts of everybody's Scriptures, BUT not everything is accurate. The best (and only) way to KNOW this is to develop a personal intimate relationship with God with no lying middle-men between you and God. Then you can get the Truth right from the horse's mouth. I'm not special because of my relationship with God. It is available to ANYONE. God Desires a personal relationship with EACH AND EVERYONE of His Spirit children - even you. He tells us how. If you seek God you can find Him with ALL of your heart, mind, strength, and soul. It is not necessary to be commanded to do the right thing. If you are seeking God, you will find that it is IMPOSSIBLE to do ANYTHING unGodly.
Religions preach that we should Fear God - and yet are we not supposed to Love Him/Her/It. PROBLEM: You CANNOT Love something that you Fear. Love and Fear CANNOT co-exist. In my daily interactions with God over the past 14 years, He has shown me NOTHING BUT Love and Humor. YOU have Free Will (and hopefully a properly functioning brain). You decide. Do you believe the lying middle-men OR a Teacher/Messanger from God. Let me remind you that my Boss IS a Truth Freak.
What if I told you that God IS communicating with EVERYONE constantly - He's doing so with YOU - RIGHT NOW. But, who listens? Such is the power of Fear. It does seem daunting at first, to imagine an intimate closeness with God Himself - and yet it is God's Desire to be close to you. Can you overcome your Fear just long enough to experience Love itself? God (personally) is reaching out to YOU right through me. I am going to show you where you can communicate directly with God within minutes. I KNOW this to be true as I have had a very very similar experience as the author. I could write my own book.
Even if you don't look God up - Fear not. He Will Love you UNCONDITIONALLY no matter what. But wow. Would you ever be missing out on the greatest experience of your life if you don't.
I was just going to give you the meet God place when for some reason know only to the Holy Spirit I am being asked to tell you about an experience I had about 5 years ago.
I came across some writing that said "ONLY God judges me". I was immediately and powerfully urged by the Spirit to add to this and so I wrote " WRONG. God does not judge, nor, condemn, nor punish. God is ONLY UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. It is man who judges, condemns and punishes. God is not cruel. It is man who is cruel".
What man calls sin God calls mistakes and mistakes are not felt with by punishment but rather are offered the opportunity (as many as needed) for correction. This is part of the function of reincarnation.
We are ALL eventually going to return to Him (Source) - but He will NEVER force you. Wether we know it or not or like it or not, we are ALL in the most capable and Loving 'hands' in existence. Not one soul will be lost. The Perfect System makes sure of that.
OK. Back to meeting God. Check out "Conversations with God" book 1 on CZcams - to start. God will guide you from there. I advise people to give it a try for 15-20 minutes and then you will know what to do. Spoiler alert. Around the 30 min. mark God explains how and why He created us and the Universe. Later He also explains how to tell the difference between messages from God and those from another source. You can know if THIS material is from God or not. Bless you. I will pray for you.
@@armymanssg508 cults are not ok though. people can believe in God, as i do. but cults are not okay, as the speaker described: lying, abuse of vulnerable and children, no freedom for women, racism, extremism etc.
Hi Dawn, I was in the assembly too. I met your dad, uncle and grandparents on a number of occasions. When the wheels fell off the wagon, there were still some outlier assemblies that tried to keep it going and even continued to invite and host your grandfather to preach in the gathering. I finally left after the remaining leading brother in the local assembly decided that he had no peers among the brothers and anointed himself the "Final Decision Maker". I took my family and ran as far away as possible and now we're in a very happy and thriving mainstream church. It's always sad to see men taking the Word of God and twisting it to fit their agenda. I wish you the best and may God bless and keep you in his tender care.
‘His’
Is this group related to the 12 tribes?
Amen xxx
Stephanie Bauer Oh shut up.
She's not reading this. The vid belongs to TedX not Dawn
"Staunch loyalty to any group is wrong if it means supporting an abusive, narcissistic, pathological liar." Amen!
All religions are abusive, narcissistic, liars who control their followers through fear.
This this mean the current POS and his followers too.
Kevin Neeley 🔥🔥🔥
Gentleman Fox Nope!
The role of a religion is to go deep within and discover the Godliness within. It doesn't need a Church, a Book and an Intermediary. Replace the name with your respective jargon. The God within guides.
PS. May all religious polices feel free to be offended. Much love.
I left the cult of Jehovah's Witnesses at the age of 18. I am 37 now. It would of been so comforting to me to have some say that to me as youngster. I really applaud you for it. Not going to lie, hearing that made me tear up.
What made u leave at 18 and how?
I also grew up JW. I perceived when I was very young like eight or nine that it didn't make sense. What didn't make sense to me was that God would destroy babies whose parents were not believers you know at Armageddon. That was the seed that started me on the way out. I wasn't sure that it was exactly a cult, although we weren't allowed to celebrate Christmas or birthdays things like that and women were very subjected to men. But looking back it kind of was because what really got me when I left at around 18. Was that the people out there in the world that were so vilified by JW's as being? You know goats, as in the sheep and the goats, that they were just people and for the first time I could see them as just people and I could have friends and talk to them and all of that kind of stuff. When I left I just it was after we moved away from Utah, so I wasn't exactly kicked out or disfellowshipped or anything. I just faded away. It was the best thing that ever happened but it did affect my life long-term because I had the mental attitude that I was worth nothing, that higher education was not something I should do so I regretted not ever going to college but I've had a good life. I'm really glad I left.
Hi Dawn, I am a Christian and just wanted to say I love and admire your bravery. A few years ago I started reading the Bible for myself and as a female I found all these beautiful gemstones of Gods truth in His word. I went looking for a church to join and ended up going to different denominations until I found the one that works for me. I wish you all the best my dear and May God Bless you. 💕
Which church did you find?
How do you manage to find beauty when reading the Bible ? I'm so curious because Im always in fear when I read the bible, especially in the old testament(Probably one of the reason of my anxiety as well)
@@user-bs4bj8dz1d how are you doing now?
@@mikepiccolo32 trying to justify my christian faith how about you
@@user-bs4bj8dz1d Remember that God loves you and cares about you, he sees you as his children and wants everthing good for you. He even called abraham his friend, this is how close he wants to be with us. I pray you are alright and that God gives you peace. Shalom🤍
I LOVE how this de-converted woman can calmly mock and SMILE in spite of the story of her past.
She's not letting her past ruin her.
👍👍👍
Nor will she let it define her
She's still in the healing process. That sarcasm is very passive aggressive and the fact that she has to mock her past is a hint something's still there. The next step is developing gratitude. You're right tho, I wouldn't say she's ruined. xD
I'd like to use the term de-cultised and yes it's a made up word. I've noticed that often their faith is still there and often it's stronger for having experienced what they've gone through. Which by the way they should never have experienced in the first place.
How charming.
Incredible use of Sarcasm, well balanced words and perfectly timed sentences !! 🙏🏻 Inspiring
I was gonna like but I wanna keep it at 666 likes
Vrushali Suryawanshi - what was so inspiring?
Vrushali Suryawanshi , I agree with you, but let’s fact check the lady’s speech, ...98% of scientists do not believe man made carbon is causing disastrous weather events AKA:Climate change.
Both religious cultists and climate cultists do the same thing, they use valid information and distort it to enforce nefarious agendas.
GilsTestChannel We need more carbon, not less. Growth depends on it. An ice age was predicted not long ago. Right is now being called wrong and wrong right. Look at the ones promoting global warming. They continue to hypocritically eat up resources. The earth is not going to be destroyed until Jesus Christ says so. The end time events are culminating quickly: earthquakes increased exponentially, immorality is rampant, lawlessness is abounding, etc., scoffers are saying, as prophecy said they would, “These things have always been around”. Did you just say that?
@@GilsTestChannel Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities.
An excellent video. I was raised as a JW in the 1950s & 60s. I am 70+ now. All that bible studying 3x a week + knocking on doors with my mum was getting to me . As an early teen I started to take an interest in girls and there was nothing more galling than going to the swimming pool on a Sunday morning with friends, then having to go home early to go to the Kingdom Hall, knowing my friends were moving in on my "conquest". I had to live away as a trainee apprentice and that was when my mind started to clear even more. I was introduced to beer and that was the final nail in my coffin as far as the Elders were concerned. I just told my mum I wasn't interested anymore and walked away. It was easy in those days. They used to say they were not a cult but they fitted all the parameters she gives in this video. She stayed in but never tried to preach at me. The feeling of freedom and elation was terrific.
I recently found out my chiropodist was a JW and she asked why I had left. I just said "I discovered beer and women!" A little while later, I met her husband (also JW) who said "I hear you left for beer and women. What else did you discover?" I said that having cracked it with the beer and women so early in life, I felt there was nothing more to worry about. He gave me that all knowing "You lucky b****r!" look!
I understand they are far more controlling now too. I am a Christian but I do not choose or like fundamentalism in any form.
I'm a christian and I regularly attend Sunday services and I'm also involved in the music ministry as well. But NONE of what she describes as "not allowed" in their group is even prohibited in our church. We got to live like how normal people do. Its just sad the some people use religion and even the name of Jesus to control people.
Yesss
Yea, not all churches are the same. Most Christians are just normal people living life. Those strict churches know very well they can’t be perfect but they sure try and fail time after time but it’s always the “do as I say not as I do” rhetoric. 😉
she left Christianity - not just the cult.
@@texanboiii562 not true. Most fake being normal people. They most likely have an agenda. Try to leave and you will see. Say you are a Catholic now and you will know them.
@@sheilacampos5246 no thanks! I used to be Catholic. Weirdest cult I was in. I found a regular Christian church where I accepted Christ and learned the concept of sinful nature. I know I’m not perfect but I am saved and can live a normal life until Christ comes. I don’t go around condemning people or attacking them if they don’t live a certain lifestyle. I do however defend myself if I need to. 🤷🏻♂️
Leaving the JW cult was the best decision I've made and I celebrate it every year! Never take your freedom for granted, some people never get to experience it.
JESUS told
Luke 4:18-19
New International Version
18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,
19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”
Amen🙏
I bet some of the JW's who've felt the wind off of my door slamming in their faces compared them to experiencing an EF2-3 Tornado
Only Reality Will Remain
From infancy, people are trained to believe fairy tales. The first memory most people have is blowing-out a candle on a cake, and making a wish. All religions are going to evaporate in the fiery heat of Yahusha's displeasure. He is going to burn the earth for one reason, and it's never mentioned by the teaching authorities.
You will find it at Isaiah (YashaYahu) 24:5, and Mt. 20:24. The sign of the everlasting Covenant is utterly ignored by the inhabitants of the Earth.
Very grateful you were saved out of the JW cult. I hope you have not turned your back on Jesus. Or have turned to Jesus- the Jesus in the bible.
Oh - I have had my favourite JW. They make some dull days so very interesting, if one has nothing else to do. If the smalltalk is not being launched successfully, I throw in the word "evolution" a few times, and things get going! However, sadly, I have the impression that my favourite JW avoid me recently.
Maybe I should them visit at their homes. Pressing the bell, waiting, they open the door, I say "Good afternoon, my name is ..., I would like to talk to you about Schrödinger's Equation and the implications for the early universe!". I would really love to find out whether god obeys the rules of the quantum world, but I am afraid, I will not get that far ...
As I often say: Scientific truth does not require a watchtower: There is no negotiation about the laws of nature.
After 19 years of marriage to an abusive narcissistic man, I took the kids and left. It was hard. I never ever regretted leaving that daily fear and though I was dragged through the courts as he is a lawyer, the kids were so very, very grateful and relieved that I was the primary custodial parent. One day, years later, while in conversation with him about one of the kids, he switched the conversation and began talking about me, his finger pointing again, his words accusatory, angry, bizarre lies. A tiny voice in my head, my own, spoke to me, "There HE is. You don't have to stay to listen to this." For the second time in nearly thirty years of knowing this man, my inner voice asserted itself on my behalf. I calmly stood up, alimony and child support check in hand, "I hope you have a good day." I said, only a step from the closed door. As I looked at him as I closed the door after me, I saw the stunned realization on his face that he had let me see the real him as I'd seen daily throughout our 19 years and that he saw I finally realized I didn't have to be his victim any more.
Praise God for your courage, strength and bravery to leave that soul destroying man. I hope that you and your children are doing well luv. Thank you for sharing your story. God Bless you xo
Thank You for making the connection between the Cult talk - and family or personal abuse. Abusers look for victims in people they can control. Maybe cults are started by those who seek total control .PTSD can be from families as well as partners or cults.Those who seek to dominate are not friends.
I stayed in a similar marriage for 17 years, bc I didn’t know I could leave. The kids and I have been out for 6 years now, and although he’s made a relationship with the youngest son, the older child and I still receive his abuse via passive aggressive texts. He finally lost his sh*t via text a week ago, and I told him to never speak to me ever again and I blocked him. I’m about to go to court for full custody.
Hug
I grew up in the Assembly (Fullerton) as well from about age 2 to 16. I knew Dawn and always really liked her and her sister. Both were younger than me. I’m so happy to see the healing in Dawn’s life. Many people needed healing at various levels because of the Assembly. I think us kids might have had it the worst because it robbed our childhood. They didn’t want the kids to attend any dances at school or do even normal things . When I was 16, one of the elders, Mark, talked to my mom about me wearing make up (lipstick and little mascara). Oh and God forbid I had a perm. Lol. Like Dawn said that was really looked down upon. I remember growing up feeling guilty about everything.
My family was kind of ostracized by the elders especially toward the end. My younger sister and I didn’t go their school. We were in a (secular ) public school, which was bad. Also my my dad didn’t attend-that was also bad. My aunt was in one of those training homes. She experienced, what I consider now, emotional abuse because of all the “correction” and training to be more godly. Toward the end, when I was about 16, the shunning toward my mom and grandmother really got strong. They were told years later that the other members were told to shun them. As toxic and controlling as the leadership was I also remember there were a lot of loving people in the general public of the Assembly who just loved the Lord and meant well . I really loved the people that volunteered as youth ministers from childhood through high school. I really liked all the kids I grew up with. I got to babysit for a couple of amazing families with great kids. Hearing other people’s stories from the assembly has brought a lot of comfort. I know God can restore.
I believe elder Mark was our neighbor in Fullerton and he and his wife D.. have since left the cult .. the house had various church members and they’d have “ consequences “ for their action as adults like yard work weed pulling .. they were all sweet and we shared a few meals and lovely conversations.. we are Christians not in a cult and soon realized it was a bit weird .. glad they disbanded.. loved them all as neighbors and friends .. they followed the wrong way to Jesus. Law without Love is Legalism ..
Surely those loving and well intentioned souls deserved better than a controlling and toxic CULT instead of a genuine open expression of faith.
It really seems like the way you've handled recovering from the cult is much healthier than Dawn's method. I see the anger and bitterness in her eyes.
@@biker5662 Thank you. You think she is hiding it behind her humor? I pray it not be so. The worst part about these types of "churches" (besides the emotional damage) is the spiritual damage. They turn people away from God and destroy people's faith in His power, healing and love. Nothing can heal, fulfill and make us whole like Jesus can.
@@shaunafisher2323 yes, it seems like she is. I agree that only Jesus can provide full healing. He is almighty!
Reminds me so much of the cult I was raised in, I was ' dis- fellow- shiped' (shunned) and have not talked to anyone in that cult in years. Bravo for speaking out.
"Me too"
“Even the hardest day of freedom, was better than the best day in a cult.”
YES!!! That one totally got me. So very true!
Sometimes going to work can seem like an oppressive cult. Should I stop going? Kidding.
sitiahhodge yess that line gave me goosebumps (I was also raised in a cult)
Four years ago, I left the cult my parents made me attend for 19 years. It's the most freeing experience ever.
What cult is it?
@@sanchezraizasheenm.4367 A very influential cult in the Philippines.
@@Alexa-pt7fv Jehovah?
@@Alexa-pt7fv cause I'm in Philippines too.
@@sanchezraizasheenm.4367 cult known for practicing bloc voting. 🤮
I was a member of a cult. Amazing the amount of guilt that got dumped on me when I left.
God bless you 🙏🥺
I heard the most perceptive observation yesterday during a visit with my 90-year old aunt. During our discussion on very things, somehow the subject of atheism came up. Despite being a cradle Catholic, she said, "At least atheists never try to convert you." BRILLIANT!!!! I am open minded, more of an agnostic, but that statement was profoundly interesting to me.
Atheists work very hard to convince religious people to convert to Atheism. That is fact.
I wish that was the case. Evangelical atheists are just as nauseating as fundamentalist religious groups. They are just as prone to forcing their atheism upon everyone and specifically go after anyone who dares to follow any form of religion or acknowledge the presence of a deity to gain the favor of their supreme leaders: Dawkins and Hitchens. What ever happened to believing whatever you choose as long as a you are a productive member of society and your beliefs don't spread hate or cause harm?
@@phobetos4976 I agree. I am. not religious but I don't "label" myself as "atheist" either. I'm not fond of labels. I think it comes down to the fact that extremism in any direction tends to corrupt. I don't care for Hitchens or Dawkins, although now and then Hitchens says something historically interesting. I guess my take on spirituality is that it is personal and you do not need to be part of a group to be a spiritual person. Also, if people are so intensely dedicated to their belief system that they feel they have to "convert" others in order to validate themselves and their beliefs, that indicates that, in fact, they doubt it themselves.
I have some atheists to introduce you to lmao. I'm an atheist btw lol.
Of course they do try to convert you. Nearly all education and entertainment is anti Christian. However history tells us that atheism has also had massive god denying cults….communism and nazism to name just 2. Every belief system has cults and members who go to extremes.
"I could not be in a group that sacrificed women and children so a few men could stay in charge. Staunch loyalty to any group is wrong if it means supporting an abusive, narcissistic, pathological liar."
I felt this!
"Staunch loyalty to any group is wrong if it means supporting an abusive, narcissistic, pathological liar."
Democrats?
@@thomasmaughan4798 This is why Ivanka is trying to distance herself from her orange father...
@Rudy Juarez "can’t help but think of the former president."
It is difficult to avoid. CNN in particular talks about him ceaselessly.
Both Roman Cult & Church of England.
On what basis do you but your judgement s please? You say you felt it....?
"Painted my nails Satan red" LOL
NO! I am the real MELLOW JELLY!
Definitely no cult here.
U wot
MellowJelly ho ha ha so cool so funny
disliked because that was a tasteless, overused joke
I totally understand the importance of comedy. My upbringing is different to yours. I grew up in Northern Ireland during the troubles, it left it's own scars but the people of Northern Ireland deal with these scars through comedy. You're a brave and wonderful person.
I've watched this a number of times and enjoy it every time , If I was in the audience that day I would have been ejected for laughing out loud, I too am a evangelical cult survivor. Dawn's insight is SPOT ON!, I wish her well and can only imagine that she has gone on to have a great life. Wouldn't she be an awesome friend to have, I love survivors...thankyou Dawn , you are awesome!!
That ending.
pigeon 🙁
How. Do. U. Get. A. One. Word. Username?
Cried
@@iamgod5187 Magic.
I am god, You type in random words until you get one that hasn't already been taken.
I was in the Assembly for 5 years and remember Dawn. she was a very dear soul. i'm glad she is happier now.
WWaaawww.. that's cool. What was your reason for getting out?
How did you leave the Assembly?
@@tiffanyjordan7872 it ended. there was a lot of good there.
@@darkstarbrett how did it end
Excuse my ignorance, but what is the Assembly? A denomination?
Thank you for sharing your story. Dealing with a lot of religious trauma that I've suppressed from my childhood & it's helpful to know I'm not alone in that.
What a brave, empathetic soul. Kudos, admiration. And much grace and blessings wished for you.
I grew up in the Assembly as well. Thank you for sharing this. It gives us a voice.
Me too.. been scrolling through the comments looking for AK's 😂
@@TheTimader dont worry thats not true christianity.
@@antonioiniguez1615 All religions are a cult.
@@gentlemanfox1326 That's not true. The bible is scientifically accurate.
@@antonioiniguez1615 LMAO! No it's not! Have you ever read the bible? The Earth is flat is just one of a plethora of falsehoods in the bible. READ before you comment.
Children have more wisdom than adults. She knew at age 5 this wasn't right.
Wisdom doesn’t begin until “fear of the Lord”. Fear is good; it keeps one from stepping too close to a cliff, etc. God is a consuming fire due to His righteousness and Holiness. That Holiness means we have a God we can trust, thank -God. He came off His amazing position to the fallen creation man caused in the form of a man and paid the price HIMSELF that His own righteousness demands! You won’t find a higher truth and better friend than that.
YES! I'll never forget the day i realized it was all so so wrong. I was 11. I'm finally in therapy now! Every word she spoke resignated with me! I wish i had someone planted that seed in me at such a young age "someday you will grow up and you will realized that you can leave all this."
@@googlereplier8681
Escape the fake conservative PLANTATION
God doesn't want fear. That's the first lie you were told.
@@stevemclendsy9478 The Creator of Stars doesn't need to use 'Mafia tactics'.
Many years ago I felt the need to re-examine my belief as a Bahá'í and so I announced to everyone that I was renouncing my membership in the community. There were no reproaches; instead everyone wanted assurances that I'd keep up my friendly association with them. I continued attending Bahá'í events on occasion, until I eventually rediscovered my faith and rejoined without fanfare. I was never asked for explanations. During these many years since, I've regarded doubts as a God-given stimulus to reflect, investigate, and learn, and as a result my belief has grown ever stronger and richer.
You are so funny and also very
relatable! I relate to probably 95% of what you're saying. My father is the pastor of a church that up until 2 years ago had baptist in it's title, but it is recently changed The name to something non denominational. There are about 5,000 people attending every week. It's hard to imagine that someone with such Alienating, dogmatic beliefs has so many people who come to listen to the word of god at his feet but it is true. When I left, I moved all the way from the east coast to a midwestern fly over state and never looked back.Even though I was far away, I was still disowned for 2 years upon leaving. Thank
you so much for putting this I really enjoyed listening.
I started crying when she choked up. Leaving a cult was one of the hardest things Ive ever done.
Me too.
Christianity is religion for executioners.
Friedrich Nietzsche
The God of the Bible also was a big fan of ritual human sacrifice and animal sacrifice.
Exodus 21:7-11
New International Version
7 “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself,[a] he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights.(A) 11 If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.
Leviticus 25:44-46 NIV
“ ‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
We’re finally free sis, congrats. ❤️
Christianity is not a cult. It’s just people interpret scripture incorrectly
@@alyssareyna9371 all religions are cults, technically. christianity started as 100 different cults that were persecuted by the roman empire until Constantine made it the state religion. then he killed all the original followers. this is literally the history. i read books in the library about the bible before i read the actual bible.
“Nothing derails the will of an all powerful god like a woman in a one-piece”
Did you mean: Zeus
I think that Zeus' will was more women in one-pieces to be honest. He seemed to get around.
Magnus Anderson that..... is very very true
You could substitute the name of any god, really.
Bornaking I know..... I was just making a joke jeez 😅
One piece? Which piece was it? Top or bottom?
This talk is beyond excellence. The saving grace of humor in this women's life and TED talk.
Awesome Presentation, but you don't have to be in a cult for abuse to be perpetrated on a child; it still goes on and is still covered up. This courageous young woman is an example of the ability to choose another path. May you continue to change and rescue lives.Blessings
Takes a lot of courage to leave a toxic environment such as a cult when it's the only thing you ever knew ! Congratulations to her new life 👏👏🕇
Aurelie Ross it's more important to know the true God and eternal life , which she doesn't . I believe she was washed with a mixture of false doctrine and some truth but not born again .Sad, no wonder she ran straight for the mire of x rated movies .
When her wounds have healed she will be able to think more clearly and i do pray for her healing.
Y Goldberg *throw*, and there is no "true God."
None of the "Gods" are real.
Eternal life, you say?
So, basically Vampirism.
😑
Twistie G Well let's people have faith in what or who they want ^^ I'm myself an atheist but I think we shouldn't go tell religious people things like that :)
Plus this video isn't about having more or less faith, because this woman still believes even after she left the cult, it's more about leaving toxic environment and taking your life in your own hands ^^
those claps better be soft
Twistie G - I agree.
My dad is a pastor and has never been like that! Thank God! I'm so happy that I was given a family who loves God, but doesn't use that as control.
Ok, but why could Satan reach Earth? And did Eve know of risks beyond that to her and Adam?
Isabella?
Praise the good Lord Jesus Christ 🌷
I just hope Corinthians 2:14 doesn't get used as weapon again. Was used against other denominations, too, in past.
Amen to that! People tend to throw the baby out with the bath water. There are so many faithful churches in the world. We must continue to be the light through love and mercy.
Every time I have left an organization devoted to itself and it's subscribers, I have found more of myself than I realized could be there. Watch out for organizations that determine your place in it's society.
So, so glad you made it out. And with your sense of humor intact, too! Great talk
Thank you!!!
Dawn! If you're reading this--I know of you. I'm from The Assembly in Tuscola, IL. I went to church with Tim. I have always maintained that The Assembly was a cult and I'm writing an autobiography about it. Great speech! Wonderful ending.
good on you
Wow
Please write the autobiography and get it out when you can. People need to become more aware of what’s really going on.
The Assembly sounds exactly like Jehovah’s witnesses
@@karric7373 Will do! It's halfway done. On to editing now.
I had no idea I was in a cult for 35 years. When you're a Mormon, you don't even understand what a cult IS- you just know that you're definitely NOT in one. I had no idea I was giving up my ability to create my own life inside Mormonism. I just shared my story of awakening on my channel in hopes that I can help other Mormons realize they are in a cult too. The more we speak up, the more souls we can free to create their own life.
Cant speak about every "ward", but I wouldn't classify the one I left (technically inactive in the record there) as a cult. Former lds from the "church of jc of latter day saints"
@@75ur15 Mormons don't realize it's a cult, until they find out how much the church is hiding, covering up, whitewashing it's history, and then study the actual attributes of Cults, and you will see it is 100% a cult, one of the largest and richest cults alive today.
John M This doesn’t surprise me. I have Mormon friends, some excommunicated, some not, but regardless of how they live their lives, the church as an institution is incredibly rich, intolerant, and does not encourage divergent viewpoints.
hello friend, ex-jehovah’s witness here. i was also in a cult. my mother had a really close mormon friend when i was 11 and 12, and i definitely saw similarities between them. it was the only person i ever knew at that time who was as certain in an absolute truth as my mother was, and their friendship was really based in trying to indoctrinate one another. and for some reason, mormonism was the only other religion i knew anything about as well (information control limited us from learning about false religion through worldly sources). ah, childhood memories
Same experience here as a JW ! !
Hate what you went through, so happy you made it out, and love your storytelling and humor! ♥️♥️
What she went through? Not wearing makeup and prevented from watching certain television shows? How traumatic.
@@MillyRose539 you a fan of cults?
@@jbeiler55 No. But I limit the term cult to those truly dangerous to your physical life. But nowadays people use the term to refer to any idea or organization they disagree with or even despise. I put this woman's story in the latter category. Even the term "The assembly" sounds all ominous and culty like, but at the end of the day only the name rings strange.
It's obvious this was a strict religious group and she despised it for taking away the many perks of just being a kid. And I get that. But at the end of the day it's really her parents rules that she's mad at. The "assembly" merely acted in the background to facilitate the parents' views.
@@MillyRose539blink twice if the high control group that isn't (by your narrow definition) a cult is standing behind you
@@MillyRose539 how do you feel about a child seeing their cousin being abused and their parents/grandparents not taking care of it? Maybe a teensy weensy bit of trauma?
Your discussion about experiences and explanations living in a cult was what I experience as a Jehovah's Witnesses. The aftermath of leaving and being disfellowshipped was the most heartbreaking and loneliest time in my life at 21 having no clue how to survive with worldly people. To this day, 30 years later, I have become aware that I still follow their unwritten and unspoken rules. I am working toward being free of all their rules. So difficult while so worth it! Thank you!
I've been out since 1994 and yes it's true, So many things you know it just bull and still cling to . All the lies and untruths.
@Opal Allen.......If we have freedom of religion, then how does the term “backslide” or “needing counseling because they are not living up” to YOUR own beliefs and expectations apply? We all have the right to choose our own belief systems. And we all are unique and have different life experiences. Your words would cause me to feel that YOU want freedom of religion while disrespecting others choices. Your words feel like you have been deeply programmed. Judge not that you be not judged. I wish you Peace.
I know Jehovah’s Witnesses. I would not define them as a cult. Strict… absolutely…but not a cult.
Ignore everyone else's rules. Your rules for your own life are what count. God knows the truth of your belief, not some religious group, so don't give them the power to judge you. Only God can judge you.
The sarcasm is strong with this one.
Fudge! Her comedy is soft but effective!
Fudge!
Fudge!
if you having to explain to your daughter for 16 years straight that she wasn't in a cult.. it might be because she was in a cult
hahah . Man ya .. When ya put it that way .. SO SO OBVIOUS Eh ?? .... People !!
This is amazing. Thank you Dawn! I was raised as a Southern Baptist. That's not a cult...right? I had some doubts about "god's will" when I was drafted and ended up in combat in Vietnam (1968) where the danger forced me into religious ways of thinking and acting. Then I met an "atheist in a foxhole." We didn't literally have foxholes in the Mekong Delta because any hole we dug was soon filled with water. I watched Sgt Cowles closely. He took care of his squad, challenged leaders when their strategy seemed unwise and was fearless in firefights. I was confused because I had always been told that there were no atheists in foxholes. I came home and tried to forget about Cowles. I started college and joined one of, if not THE, first christian rock bands. Please forgive me, I knew not what I was doing. My family was immersed in church when I came home from Vietnam. Dad was a bit off-and-on, but Mom made sure we went to church or felt guilty about not going. She was the church secretary and (during college) I married our pastor's daughter. I thought my life was going to be amazing, and it was...amazingly full of a life that was not mine in any way, shape or form. My sister hid her pregnancy (1979) and gave up her beautiful baby daughter so that Mom wouldn't lose her job (while Dad was chasing get-rich-quick schemes) and we would not be shunned by our dear friends in the congregation. The good news is that I left that hellish marriage and my sister's baby daughter found her last year (2020)! I have not missed anything about church or religion in over 40 years. You can leave, you can find out (or just decide) who you truly are and there is a better life out in the world. I no longer care about admonitions in the Goat Herder's Guide to the Universe (bible). I trust the scientific method when money doesn't buy results (tobacco, herbicides, oil and gas companies, etc.). I received counseling and meds from the VA for my PTSD in 2006, so that I could be a better person for my 4th wife. PTSD took a toll on personal relationships, jobs and much more. Annie died in 2020 and I will never see her again, but I have some precious memories and her grown children help me deal with not seeing my son and daughter (from the first marriage) since 1988. Please question your basic assumptions and look outside your comfort zone for truth which makes sense to you. Good luck.
Thank you. What tremendous growth and lessons you had just being open hearted to other people. It sounds like you have had great losses. But also like you've gained a lot as well.Thank you Mr Larry Reid.💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
Thank you for your service. You articulated so eloquently your struggle against the straightjacket of narrow minded religion. Loved your take on a foxhole atheist. Religion is not the highest measure of a man, his inner conviction, courage and wisdom are. I just left the church two years ago after a lifetime. May you continue on the path of peace and healing.
May God bless you in Jesus name amen. Jesus is the way the truth and the life no one comes to the Father except through Him
All mockers, like John Lennon, for example have their part in the lake of fire! Repent!
I appreciate your sharing! I love the “goat herder’s” description. I’m also amazed by the closed minds of alleged Christians who can look at your comment and throw biblical BS at you. Congrats on saving yourself.
I hope and pray to one day see a continuation of this story from the little girl you spoke to. Thank you for sharing your incredible story of bravery, independence, and hope.
“One day you’ll grow up and you’ll realize you can leave all of this” -So powerful!😭
What a seed to plant! I'm surprised the father didn't run over and swoosh her away before she could say anything honestly
Richard Dawkins dressing up doing fieldwork again...
I agree completely with that feeling. I think the power lies in the fact that it applies to all of us and the fears we have all found ourselves with. God Bless all of us.
Very powerful,words that might convince her right into he'll,,btw I'm not saying the assembly was correct either
I left organised religion.
What a sense of humour after such a struggle ♥️ inspirational
Comedy=Tradgedy+time(ing)
I officially left Protestant Evangelicalism (though not generally recognized as a "cult") in September 2016 and it was the best decision I ever made. I am now happily part of the Eastern Orthodox church which has truly humbled me. So thankful for the grace of God in my life. I certainly don't deserve it.
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.
May the good Lord bless you, my brother, I pray that the Holy Spirit continues to work through you in wisdom and love.
Because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them" Hebrews 7:24-25
I love that she breaks down Evangelical cults so calmly. and she is SO FUNNY!
Holy sh** she time traveled and talked to herself in the future.
It makes a good story, anyway...
So the moral is ... have no morals?
@@TA-ib3dv The moral is don't let anyone but yourself dictate the way you should live your life.
Time is irrelevant. She passed the torch, paid it forward, planted the seed. All great gifts to give because they come from the heart and soul.
Eli Miller so many people fall victim to horrendous circumstances, at least her’s came with basic fundamental values however distorted they were. if you were abused buy an addict sold by your mother for drugs you might see this differently. She is still searching
I too was in this Assembly for 11 years and left when my first child was 1 year old. I saw real problems and knew Dawn's abusive uncle David well and was close to her abused aunt and cousins. The one good thing that the group did that probably helped in it's demise is that it really stressed the personal study of the bible. I left because I saw big problems and men I respected were leaving. I realized later that the group had hindered my ability to serve Christ rather than help. The assembly collapsed under its own weight , George Geftakys crushed it under a load of foolishness. Since leaving I have done mission work in a Romanian orphanage (110 days in country over 10 visits) and now minister to 10 to 20 prisoners 5 days a month at the supermax Potosi CC in Missouri that houses 70 percent on its inmates who are murderers with life w/o parole or death penalty sentences. My name is Steve Harris and I am using one of my son's computer so the photo may be of him
Oh my gosh, Steve, thank you for this amazing testimony! I am so thankful you made it out, and are truly doing the work that Christ put on your heart.
David Harris amém brother!! So glad to hear you're doing the calling of our Lord
You're doing amazing work and I'm so happy that your story also had a happy end. Kudos, man, you deserve the best life! I knoq that you and Dawn will thrive outside the Assembly more than you ever could've locked away. You're both so incredibly brave and strong and should be very, very proud.
That's a great testimony! Perhaps you guys who have left could be each others support group so you could affirm one another even online. God bless you.
Steve Harris, thank you for your testimony. You truly follow Christ's commandments to love God with all your heart and soul, and to love your neighbor as yourself. It has reinforced in me to do God's will as you do. And to do it without judgement. The world looks at tele-preachers and assume all Christians believe as they do. After studying the bible throughout my life, I know better. God bless you and may God give you the strength to carry out your missions for Him.
Thank you for your bravery. I was going thru a bad time in my marriage started to go to a non denomination church run by a women. She was in control of every aspect of the ministry. I became so involved that I started to loss my family. I became the armorbearer of the pastor and was always at church. My marriage fall apart. My youngest daughter was getting lost in the world. The pastor never helped her spiritual and was cruel to her. I was there 8 yrs when my eyes opened up to see the damage in my family. I got up during a service pastor was late like always so i called her and told her if this is serving God i quit walked out and never went back. It took months before i could even go to the store for fear of seeing pastor or members of that church. It was a cult i realized because so many marriages were falling apart because of the pastor wanting control over the womens lifes. 2 yrs later i started working at a wonderful church my family and I got pastorial help for what We went thru. Our relation with God was restored. I worked there 10 yrs my children learned to love and trust God. I thank God for taking me and my family to the right place for restoration.
I love the arc of this talk. How it comes around full circle. Beautifully told.
I left a "religion" about God, but didn't abandon my "relationship" with God.
That's the Spirit ;-)
Amen
Ali Abdi Yeah...another cult...
Technically you aren't even supposed to be able to read the Quran unless you read Arabic
Relationship with god is amazing!
Arthur Silver You summed it up. Our relationship with God and our heart for others is what matters.
You know you're in a cult when they have to explain to you how it is not a cult.
Just like pyramid schemes
yup.
True🤔
Jack Henderson lmao what💀
Katie
I very recently realized I grew up in an extreme Christian cult as well. This woman’s experience is so familiar to me it’s uncanny. Thankfully my family and I were able to get out even though it tore my parents marriage apart and left us in extreme debt. I’m working on healing and processing everything that happened and I feel so thankful to have a healthy relationship with Christ now that isn’t centered around unquestioning obedience, submission and fear of the end of the world. It is possible to escape a situation like this and find a truly healthy relationship with Jesus!
Thank you for sharing your story, I have so much compassion and empathy for what you have walked through and am so upset that families, cover up abuse, not just in cults but also in society, even today they are not willing to admit the truth of what I told them, i really don't understand how people can turn blind eye to abuse. It breaks my heart.
I admire you courage Dawn :-)
This hit home for me. I'm currently making my exit for my daughter and I. Everything this woman said is absolutely true! Thank you for this❤❤❤❤❤
How are they gonna change if everyone that could have confronted them chooses instead to... leave? How d'you know that God doesn't have you there so that you can be that 1 person? The religious leaders of the day hated Jesus and eventually had him killed because he dared show them that their lives weren't pleasing to God, had simply been the traditions men had set up and didn't even have the power to allow them to have a relationship w/God and was blocking others from doing the same.
Good luck to you and your daughter❤️
@@mette1983 thank you
Good luck!! Be strong! you can do this!!! we support you!
@@vjmcdonn thank you
I was an assembly kid too, in San Francisco, California- I just realized after many years that most of my life was spent in a cult..
A lot of Churches are a cult. I grew up in a Christian family and it was my best days ever.
Gee I’m glad you made the discovery… Now you can be free… Understand yourself more… It’s good to know the truth isn’t it. Take care
I just want to say what a beautiful talk. You in some sort of way described my many of us journey from darkness to light. From cultish religion to secularism.
It has been 5 years since I left my parents ‘church’ there are so many things hidden using A God to control & destroy. Most difficult thing I’ve ever left after 18/19yrs. I resonate so much to this. It is sad to know how many people go through this bs.
I was afraid of living. I am still learning to be okay doing it.
"Staunch loyalty to any group is wrong if it means supporting an abusive, narcissistic, pathological liar" ..so true!
Were it not for the rabbis to be forbidden by them, and for their iniquity to speak of their iniquity and to eat them all, the time would have made them miserable for what they would have done.
The Jews said God's hands tied tied their hands and cursed what they said, but his hands Mpsottan spend how he wants and Esidn many of them what was revealed to you from your Lord, tyranny and disbelief and we take them enmity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection whenever they lit a fire for war extinguished God and seek mischief in the land, and God does not like spoilers
And if the people of the Book believed
And if they had established the Torah and the Gospel, and what was brought down to them from their Lord, they would eat from above them, and from those of their feet
O Messenger, tell the Lord that God has not sent you to you, and if you do not do so, your message will be overrated, and God will protect you from God
Say: O People of the Book are not something even Takimwa the Torah and the Gospel and what was revealed to you from your Lord, and many of them Esidn what was revealed to you from your Lord and disbelief is not a tyranny busin on the unbelievers
For those who believe and those who have calmed, and those who are righteous, and the Christians, who believe in God and the last day, and do righteousness, do not forget
We have taken the covenant of the people of Israel and sent them to them as messengers. Whenever a messenger came to them with what they do not like, then they themselves are indifferent.
And they thought that there would be no temptation, so they blinded and deaf, then God repented to them, then they blinded and deaf many of them, and God did not pass
Kafr who said that God is Christ the son of Mary, said Christ, O children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord, it involves God Allah has forbidden Paradise to him and his abode fire and whosoever
“an abusive, narcissistic, pathological liar” ? Sound familiar? It wlll be so nice when this nightmare is over.!!
+1. Although, I would argue staunch loyalty to any group is wrong. Period.
I spent most of my childhood in a cult that refused to be labeled a cult and your statements about cults not wanting to be labeled made so much sense to me
ALL religions are cults but no one wants to admit that they are in a cult. More than that, they don't even recognize it as such.
I was raised in First Assembly of God Church and it was one of the best things that happened to me and my family. We were raised with morals, Biblical values and as far as feeling oppressed because we were women, that wasn't my story. I was raised that you could do and be what you want if your willing to work hard for it. I definitely was not in a cult, there was freedom of choice. I feel bad for this woman what she went through, but not all churches are like that. We have to be so careful to find a Church that teaches what the Word of God says, not man.
I think you'll find that the word of God is, indeed, the word of man
I too found the Assembly of God churches to be loving, supernatural, and most importantly, based on the Bible. I not only introduced my family to AOG, but also our friends, other kids and families, and many unchurched people. The legalistic non-Biblical beliefs this woman has gone thru are not common, and I have attended a lot of different Assembly of God and Foursquare churches. My entire family are all secular college graduates (including myself), and they are all appalled at what this unfortunate woman went through.
Sorry to say so, but all churches are man made, and all of them interpret the Bible to suit themselves. None of them leave the ordinary person to think for themselves, so none of them are free from trying to influence any belief a person my have or otherwise.
@@user-wd8hb8en9z Sorry if I've upset you, but my mum was brought up to be very religious. Her parents were in Plymouth Brethren (look them up to see how cultish they are!) and she used to preach at me every day. Eventually I left home, as much to get away from being preached at as anything else.
Oddly I do believe in an almighty God. I also believe that he is a benevolent being, but other than that, I refuse to have anything to do with any organised religion. If you look at the way the world is going today, with all the religious conflict between Jews, Muslims, Christians, etc, it bodes ill for the future of mankind. I think that's because all of the organised religious groups are trying to expand their power bases, at the expense of every non believer in their particular method of worship.
The question I would ask is this. How did people manage to progress from apes to humans before all the major religions came on the scene? Somehow they muddled through, and managed to discover such things as how to make fire, invent the wheel, clothing, and shelter, and domesticate animals such as horses, dogs, and cats. They also started growing crops and improving grains to meet their needs. And all without any of the major modern religions. So what do we need religions for exactly? You tell me. As far as I can see we can do very well without their interference.
Thank you for sharing your story. I am happy for you and that you are free. You are an inspiration to many I would think. Bless you.
This lady knows how to use humor appropriately to diffuse and lighten the weight of a grave subject. Excellent storyteller.
She's so articulate, nuanced, eloquent.. I could truly just listen to her for hours on end. Kudos!
Spare me.
Watch out before you make her your Idol! She is just like the rest of us. You have gifts too.
@apple camjumper I meant no harm. I do worry about some people because they become so mesmerized with others. You see how so many made trump such an idol almost godlike. That's all. No harm intended. I'm a tree lover.
So grateful for this remarkable woman and her strength and honesty… it takes guts to get away and repair and share and with such humour too. 💝
Dawn, I hope one day you have the privilege of finding the woman who originally said to _you,_ "One day, you will grow up and you will realize you can leave all of this."
Thank you, for your clear and calm reasoning. You could have been describing my life too. People don't understand just how hard it is, thank you for having the courage to share it.
Good for you! I'm sorry you went through that.
I went through something similar.
i hoped you were able to have a relatioinship still with ur family, i had to detach myself for almost 10 years to the fact that my parents choosed church over me, but now they asked for forgiveness and we have a better relationship, its still complicated but im lucky. they still dont want to call the church community a cult. hope u have healed from that.
@@namaste2788 One of the things that’s terrible and deplorable and practiced by many Christian sects is something called “Extreme Shunning”. This is where someone is “excommunicated” or voluntarily leaves the sect and is then shunned, avoided, and rejected by former friends - and sadly, even by family members who are still in the sect. (If you are a Muslim who leaves the faith, it’s called apostasy. They simply kill you. Period.). Shunning however is as damaging and harmful. It has lifelong repercussions. It is a “hidden” destructive and controlling aspect of the Christian faith - this “unequally yoked” nonsense which you then become - and some say the fear of shunning is why believers don’t challenge the rules more often even if it kills them - and it does in many cases. Jehovah’s Witnesses, for example, have their “Blood Police” who monitor hospital patients to ensure that no member gets a blood transfusion, which is forbidden by the sect. Many members have died as a result of this extreme, illogical, and uncompassionate policy. Let’s not beat around the bush but call it for what it is - a Cult. All Religions are Cults. Organized religion is simply an older established cult that has more members and ‘real estate’. They were all cults when the first started, but longevity does not make them any more believable or credible. They are all the same when it comes to the absurdity, irrationality, and ridiculousness of their beliefs.
Being a Christian it's ...hard to hear all the twisted ways the Bible has been manipulated over the years... God Bless You!
@Daniel Paulson purposefully vague? The bible is completely flawless.
We are the vague ones, flawed.
Daniel Paulson
So because of humans’ weak mindedness (them to divide over truths in God’s word) it makes God’s word vague? What a foolish statement. You seem intelligent, but it’s not a vague book at all. Every word is God breathed and useful for correction, reproof, doctrine and so on.. Read the Bible for yourself and you will learn the truth. God’s word is indeed flawless, sharper than any two edged sword. God is holy perfect and just, and can’t tolerate sin. But He loves us profoundly, so He sent His only Begotten Son, Jesus, the Christ as prophesied in the Old Testament, to take away the sin of the world. Fulfilling the righteous requirement of the law of Moses as well as appeasing the righteous wrath of almighty God. This is what the Bible is about. If people say the Bible isn’t all about Christ, they’re reading it wrong.
Jesus is the same as God, whoever believes in Him will not be put to shame, whoever believes in the Only Begotten Son of God will not perish but have life eternal-and life eternal is to know God the Father and to know God the Son, Jesus Christ.
I agree it, it is very sad. Someone is behind this and trying to turn as many people away from the truth as much as possible...and yep it is none other than the adversary himself. Religion is man made (such as Mormonism,Catholicism etc.) and it is sickening how they take parts of the Bible to twist with their man made stories and laws. Christianity is a loving relationship with our Heavenly Father and reading His written Word will set you free because it is the Truth.
Daniel Paulson parable:
a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson, as told by Jesus in the Gospels. What’s vague about telling a story for us to learn a lesson?
@Greg Jacques Lucifer's Jizz Gargler that was a different culture with willing servants. It's not what your thinking of, those "slaves" willingly gave their lives to their masters. The Lord also told the masters of those people to treat them with respect.
Leviticus is also not Christianity. That's the Old Testament. Part of the old covenant with the Jews. Jesus made a new covenant in the New Testament, where the largest concept is love.
Please educate yourself before you dismiss something so coldly.
I can only speak for myself. I grew up in a similar tradition. There were certainly parts of it I came to see as ridiculous, some just silly, some harmful. Somehow I never blamed the Gospel, or the entire tradition, just the individuals who were mostly misguided. I’m of course not talking about anyone who was abusive. I’ve found the Gospel is always what it is, not what we say it is. There are horrible parents who do not have any religion. I hope that their children realize they can leave their situation as well.
I am so proud of you for speaking out against religious cults. These religious entities distroyed over half of my life. Thank you. I too went to college and left the cults , as well.
Sad to think how MANY people are living like "A Handmaidens tale" out there now
I read A Handmaiden's Tale.. when it was hot off the press. I thought it was far fetched. Boy was I wrong.
@Karl Jansen ..... wtf is your issue. The majority of muslims live like normal humans. The video is literally about a CHRISTIAN cult, not a muslim one, but you have to talk about how bad the Islamic religion is every chance you get, right?
@@MrFoolingyu you're right on the money!
@@woohooo7634 the fact you said "normal" people is quite disturbing, educate me on how normal people live
Bruce Kilgour hey btw, I’m saying that not all Muslim women live life like in the Handmaids tale. Again, have you ever met a Muslim?
I am realizing at 43 that I was in a cult and I am going thru a lot of therapy now. I could never wear pants, listen to music on the radio, etc. It was full of legalism. Thank you for your message.
"It was for freedom that Christ set us free"
We need to all understand that this speaker was not describing Evangelical Christianity. Evangelical means only "Good News". Coercion (the opposite of 'evangelical') is never the Christian motivation. Christ commander we "go out" not the we are to "isolate". If your Church experience is legalistic and repressive....get out, it's not the real thing.
Exactly, Many people are suffering from man made doctrine , they are Pharises and seduces that even attacked Jesus for visiting Zacheuse and others they called sinners, they cult not Christians.
@peter burry
Some are. some are not.
Labels matter little.
Bill Asbury: Evangelical does not mean good news. Gospel means good news.
@@caroleimani9754 Isn't it something of a news sandwich, though? (good news, bad, good, or vice versa)
And what of Matthew 5:18, 7:18, and Luke 13:24...? Also, what IS a 'natural man', and when is nature reliable, or not, as attestation of God...
That ending was powerful for me, I am a few months in to exiting the JW’s, today was a big day for me of processing and staying in control. It gave me, an almost 40 year old guy, much more perspective, balance, and direction. Thanks for sharing this 🙏
They’re not a cult. I’ve seen real cults.
OP - Ignore the troll, they haven't lived through what you have lived through.
Wishing you the very best of luck, and plenty of strength, for the road ahead. You've got this 💕
Good for you!!! Best of luck, you can do it!!
Best thing i ever did was leaving JWs after 21 years . I am now a child of God♥️
Left JWs as well, had married a JW who was Narcissist, my marriage fell apart and am struggling to find my way back.
Don't underestimate how dangerous the Evangelical cult is. Entire families will turn against a family member like a lynch mob if they don't obey.
It always saddens me whenever I hear and see people taking Christianity into their own hands and twisting it into something that isn't right...I feel so sorry and heavy hearted for people that had to experience man's twisted version of God like this...
- Shooting Starlight - yes, except all of it is man made make believe.
- Shooting Starlight - well said
Julian Walker I'm well aware that there are doubters...I'm not here to fight or argue. You have your own right to not believe it as I have to mine in believing that it is real. I'm not persecuting your beliefs so I'd appreciate if you didn't mine and others and act towards others with some decency and respect. Thanks. :)
Logic beats Speculation goes for you as well. Treat others how you wish to be treated. Whether you believe the bible or not it's principles can still apply to everyday life. Treat others kindly and with respect.
Monsieur Jacques Who is a Christian then?
The end really got me
I never miss a chance to speak a few life changing words to a vulnerable child.
Rhiannon same. Cried.
Rhiannon SAME
Paying it forward, so refreshing and suited.
me too
Thank you, Dawn.... for your courage to leave and for your insights that you have shared.
A tragic story with a happy ending. You paid it forward to that little girl & the tedtalk will hopefully motivate people to do the same and start a butterfly effect. ❤