Unironically DEFENDING The CGI Of Green Lantern
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Despite having a budget comparable to many other visually appealing films of its era, the suit in 2011âs âGreen Lanternâ is widely regarded as one of the worst examples of CGI in cinematic history. Itâs so bad that even the filmâs star, Ryan Reynolds, takes every opportunity to mock the floating, CG-rendered head.
But is this criticism fair? Wobbly heads on a CG body were a persistent issue until the time-travel suits in âAvengers: Endgame.â Looking back at âGreen Lanternâ now, itâs nowhere near as bad as some recent examples weâve seen. Moreover, âGreen Lanternâ had to maintain this effect throughout the entire film, whereas other examples couldnât even manage it for a single shot!
In this video, Iâll be the first person in history to defend the CGI of âGreen Lantern.â Iâll break down why this effect is so challenging and explore why the filmmakers decided to give their main character a fully CGI body for the entire film, rather than opting for spandex like other movies. Weâll also play devilâs advocate and consider how this single choice may have derailed various aspects of the filmâs production, resulting in the somewhat peculiar final product.
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Intro
1:22 - Why Was The Suit CGI Anyway?
3:13 - Why Did They Think This Would Work?
3:45 - Soooo What Went Wrong?
5:04 - It's Gets Worse...
6:50 - Brilliant
8:31 - Getting The Neck To Work
10:18 - It's Gets EVEN Worse...
11:28 - Defending the Suit
12:52 - The Constructs
14:11 - The Lantern Corps
15:14 - Outro And Thanks
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This is the first video Iâve ever been really nervous to post because itâs my first time addressing some âbadâ CGI - Although, Iâve tried to be really fair to it.
I also really enjoyed the second half of this video where we discussed all the pros of a CGI suit because those certainly have been overlooked for many years - Especially all of the Lantern Corps stuff. I think that was really impressive and for sure deserves more credit.
But yea, how do you guys feel about this suit? Did this video change your opinion on it at all? Or is it still bad đ
Another huge problem is that the suit is supposed to be glowing but there's no green light reflecting on his face or his surroundings. That's why his head and body don't look connected.
I agree, adding some actual green LEDs to the mocap suit would have helped tremendously. I'll say this for the movie, the director's cut is nowhere near as bad as theatrical. They cut some really good scenes.
Damn it! I never noticed this before and now it's all I can see in every scene even on the all cgi characters lmao smh
It was an issue lightsabers had before the started using practical LEDâS.
Good point. I liked the movie, (with a minor cringe or two) and had to explain numerous times to the clueless, the suit is comprised of pure energy, not solid fabric, which is why they opted for CGI. However while I thought the suit was passable in that context, yes, a glow would probably have enhanced the illusion.
Exactly! There needs to be more light emanating from the suit, or (which would be much easier) way more ambient light effecting the suit.
Honestly, the VFX of this movie isn't even that bad.. I've seen worst in the last few years for sure. It was just a bad movie overall
It's not a bad movie!
It could have been much better!
Honestly the movie wasn't that bad, sometimes it feels like DC movies get unnecessary hate for no reason
For years I've only heard bad things about this movie. Bad CGI, bad writing, bad movie.
A few years ago I finally decided to watch it and I couldn't see any of that. I genuinely enjoyed it.
The Mask looks really weird, but there are way more bad movies out there... some people expect that every movies has to top everything else...
Worst thing about this movie was the lack of imagination with what a Green Lantern could do with his powers. It wall mini-guns and F-16s or some crap. The only thing limiting a Green Lanterns powers is his imagination.
Sometimes it kinds of feels like he craps on his own movie to mimic the publics reaction. And the publics reaction was shaped by the critics. A Green Lantern movie would absolutely have to require a ton of CGI, and this movie wasnât any better or worse than the MCU movies.
Funny thing about the iron man âfloating headâ is that I actually saw a cosplayer on Reddit who talked about how people kept saying she photoshopped her face onto armorâŠ
She kept insisting her and her bf made the armor, 3D printed and custom fitted and everything⊠the issue is that the metallic paint of the full body armor without the helmet creates an odd effect where the armor and head appear to be lit completely differently. Thats what makes it look fake, is the mismatched lighting. She literally had the Iron Man effect in real legit armor anyway!
The people in the Reddit thread were talking about how the CG artists probably used light simulation and made the suit look real, but not right. Thereâs a difference. Sometimes CGI has to fudge things because our eye is so used to a certain look, like Hollywoo explosions and stuff.. so instead of making it âlook rightâ they made it âlook realâ but the problem is that in that specific situation, ârealâ looks fake because of a trick of the light! Haha
So this girl made a few posts showing the armor being made, and how they took the photos and inside with harsh lighting it looks fine⊠outside in softer daylight it immediately started looking like a fake floating head stuck on armor. But a cool thing was that by removing one sleeve of armor, the effect goes away.. it gave our brain another reference for human skin and shadows and lighting and it seemed much less fake!
Our brains are so weird⊠light is so weird. Itâs so complicated and small things can mess with our perception of whatâs real, or what looks âwrongâ to us even if we canât explain what or why it feels wrongâŠ
as an artist who uses references itâs so weirdly interesting seeing how differently skin reacts to lightning when compared with clothing or in this case armour. Like thereâs so many different effects going on at all times like sub surface scattering making skin look like itâs glowing and bounced lighting changing shadow colours, it gets really hard to make it a cohesive piece
That's actually really interesting.
Do you have a link to this? Curious how the cosplay looks like
For me it's photography. I had my family members and friends thinking that some of my outstanding pictures are photoshoped. Yes, I love to make silly images as joke but it's funny and sad when people think you manipulated the few pictures that you honestly captured at the right time and near perfect lighting condition that the image looked far too beautiful or surreal to be real.
Name of cosplayer?
It definitely wasn't a CGI issue, it was a story and art direction issue
Exactly!
The story. The fucking story. I was sold with Ryan Reynoldsâs as Green Lantern, but after leaving OA the movie is just really bad story to a charismatic character.
Why did Hollywood have to keep making the big bad into a fart cloud back in the day? LoL
â@@ME-yb2lm CGI budgets. It's always in movies with too much VFX shots elsewhere (like this and Rise of the Silver Surfer)
I 100% agree! Re-watching as an adult now, the bad story direction was what made it a hard watch. Like the toby Spiderman movies, but I'll stop there... đŹ
I'll just come out and say it: this movie's problem is not the CGI, it's the story itself.
The crazy thing is, and I know a lot of people say this about every movie with a director's cut, a lot of the story problems aren't in the director's cut. It takes the movie from a 5 to at least a solid 7.
@@Cotygeek Might watch it later, been a while since I last saw it!
Yup⊠the cgi is actually great here⊠the story not so much..
It basic. Mid. Offers nothing to remember. The villain is the worst part.
I mean ngl I liked the movie and didnt really mind the CGI
Same. It seems like everyoneâs complaints with this movie are them comparing this to what could have been (with the script being leaked earlier into production, or people wanting a physical suit) as opposed to just judging it for what it is.
Itâs not a great movie by any means, but everyone treats it like itâs unwatchable, itâs just fine.
I don't know why everyone in the internet hated this particular movie.
Same.
â@@basti.9022 I've been a fan of Green Lantern since I was a little kid in the late 80'-90's, not a superfan I just know about the lore and stuff. Reynolds campy acting style ruined the character, good for Deadpool, bad for Green Lantern. Also making the movie an origin story that's pretty hard to fit into a couple hours, especially when they also squeeze in the Parallax character, which was actually the end of the Hal Jordan era before it was rebooted in comics. They made a movie with the origin, the death, and the reboot of Hal Jordan rewritten into one and it's a MESS. On top of that, they used childish elements of the comics as far as his powers and heroic feats. As if making the movie for a demographic that's not even going to be interested in that character. And that's why people say it's bad. As a stand-alone movie it's passable but it got dragged by the fans.
I loved the movie
The idea that it was the worst cg ever is absurd. The suit itself looked amazing, even if it didnât blend perfectly with Ryanâs head. If the film had been better, nobody would have cared about the imperfect cg.
With Ryan Reynolds trying to make every possible joke with Green Lantern and the General Public hating on the movie, I'll say this: This movie was the only movie we had at home on DVD and we used to watch this movie over and over again. I just liked the movie and I loved to watch the action scenes over and over again.....
Ironically, his super suit is also animated in deadpool. Actually his entire character is animated in deadpool.
So, it's not a stuntman in that suit?
That's how they got his eyes to emote.
@@jasonj.5394 The eyes were actually pretty simple! Rather than using CGI eyes layered on top of the suit, they simply stretched and squashed the eyes of the suit in Photoshop!
yea but like you dont really see his head so its lowk easier to animate
@@santos8468it is?
Nope! I'll "die on the hill" that the production design was A++ and it made sense that his suit is a CGI suit because it's a RING CONSTRUCT in the comics.
While you're 100% correct about the fact IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK UNCANNY, you have to realize that this film was made in order to bring the hero to WIDER AUDIENCES. What they should have done is have Hal Jordan make a "Human Spider" tier suit, then through sheer willpower alone have that uncanny suit manifest upon him. Would have really helped out on character development, helped the audience see the uncanny suit as an upgrade, as well as being able to sneak in some goofy jokes/references.
Won't lie, I know I just typed the "wider audience" blasphemy spiel. What I'm trying to point out is that they failed at their true intentions.
never understood the hate it got i thought it was fine and the CGI was fine if not good
This movie is a lot better when you donât have someone next to you telling you itâs bad.
This movie isn't among the best superhero movies of all time, but it certainly isn't as bad as people make it out to be. I think it's fun.
i worked as a 3d animator when i was younger, never thought the cg was bad
Same, dude. I'm an animator now and I feel like an idiot because I can't see what's wrong with the suit.
CGY thirsthing for ryan simply made my day cant blame ya in the slightest
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@@CGWHY You don't even need to be a hooman for that.
@@ordinarryalien Even aliens understand the charm of Ryan.
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Even though it was considered bad at the time, the CGI Suits don't actually look that bad and haven't gotten much worse as time goes on. It was moreso the disconnect between how Ryan's head and the Suit moved. The body actually blends in with the footage fairly well at times and it's really only the Mask that constantly looks horrible. Now I am being loose with the term "blends in" because it's constantly glowing & reminding you that it's fake but the alien GLs do look like they're in the scenes. When they're not attaching a real head to it, the CGI Suits work.
So rather than a full CGI Suit, they should've had a practical suit that was just the dark greens and then add the highlights & glowing with CGI. Even if they'd end up replacing the whole thing with CGI, the animators would've had better reference footage if Ryan wore a tight suit. At least we're able to learn from it, like I never noticed that the movement at the bottom of the neck was why it's easy to tell when a real head is placed on top of CGI. It explains why that part is usually hidden like with Iron Man.
On a side note, was there even an explanation for why his eyes turn Blue when wearing the suit? I'm assuming the character had blue eyes in the comics and this was a way to pay homage but the constant color change looks bad and makes the CGI mask even more unbelievable when Ryan's eyes are being edited too.
Even just having a real collar could have saved so much labor. That said it would have entailed some compromise of not looking as otherwordly, not as much like a perfect second skin.
Yeah I had that thought a few minutes into the video and couldn't not think it. A practical suit with the same effects would look much better. I also don't think the suit looks that bad, my big thing is the mask. It's too small and tight
His eye turn blue to mimick the way he looks in the comic where his eyes are pure white when he wears the domino mask, I guess it was a middle ground because they figured completely white eyes in live action was too creepy for kids or something
People give it a lot of crap but it's literally the greatest live action Green Lantern movie ever made.
It's the only live action Green Lantern movie ever made.
@@santos8468 đ I'm not wrong
@@twopintsofmilk But you can't call it the best because there is nothing else to compare it to.
@@santos8468 it's the best because there are none better than it. It's also the worst because there are none worse than it.
My comment was for the algo and the LOLS(small lol in this case đą)
@@santos8468 you don't say...
For years I believed I was the only soul that didn't hate this movie. Yes, it had a bad script and the CGI was noticeable, but I always praised their character design and world building. One of the scenes that stuck in my head since I watched it, was when we got to see all the lanterns and see the alien design with their unique suit/armors. But outside from Hal Jordan and Parallax, the concept and consistency with the lanterns was truly enjoyable for me and I respect the ambition and their efforts.
TBH I think this movie became one of those memes that everyone knows they must trash on it because it's fun.
Shoulda had a real suit for reference that was painted over with whatever CGI they needed.
Similar case with CATS if the movie fails, the VFX gets the blame
I've honestly liked this movie since it came out and even have the art book where you can see ultra HQ images of the different corps members. It's pretty funny to hear people rag on the cgi in it, particularly the suit. I still maintain that the vfx team did an incredible job and people only say it looks terrible because they know it's cgi going in. A really strong case I feel for it was just a personal experience I had where I was watching the deleted scenes that have no finished vfx work on them so it was just Ryan and Mark Strong in the mocap suits talking. My mother happened to walk through the room at the time and said "what are they wearing?" I had to explain that the suits in the film proper were fully cgi and she'd watched that with me in the past. Just never realized.
I think most people would have happily overlooked the CGI shortcomings if the movie had been.. well.. good.
It's fascinating how they insisted on having the suit be fully CGI instead of just using a real one and using CGI to then add all those energy effects.
Most problems like this shouldn't even be problems. When they are, it means your approach is wrong.
sometimes over budget is problem
I was gonna comment the same thing
That wouldnât really make the process simpler. In orther to add the light effects, theyâd still need to make a full cg suit to match the movements of the practical one. And even if you only render and comp in the lights, it can still feel janky if the cg double doesnât match well
@@bernnymwamba7522 yeah, you now not only need to perfectly match the head movement, but every other body part as well. if you do the suit full cgi end comp out the mocap, it is way easier and probably cheaper as well.
Thank you for doing this. I've honestly never understood the hate this film gets. I think it's quite good and the cgi works well imo because the whole green lantern power is making these constructs. It makes perfect sense that the suit would match that, and I've never had a problem suspending disbelief watching this films. And it's one of the few superhero films that I don't mind rewatching many times. Plus the whole Green Lantern theme of conquering fear is great.
It feels like when you get ambitious at the start of your school project, and then it's just too late to go back
for me it was the fact that since they had a budget they made some of the objects the lantern portrayed
not practical like the gun at the end of the movieđ
If the reason they chose the full cgi suit was for an alien look and do interesting things with the lighting effects on the suit, why didn't they just do a cloth suit with a cgi overlay for the effects? As you point out the constructs look really good and they work with the look of the cgi, if the suit was practical and had those effects on it I think you'd still have those connections and would look great
When you see the CGI quality of The Flash and most MCU Phase 4 and 5 projects... you must give a pardon to Green Lantern
I think one thing people forget when bashing CGI is that vfx artists donât want to create something that looks bad, why would they? Iâd argue that 9 times out of 10, itâs not a lack of skill or artistry, but a lack of budget or clear art direction.
I liked this Green Lantern movie and its computer graphics. It was cool. đ
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The CG work (suit included) was NOT the problem with that movie. Been saying this for years.
Hal is notorious for being unimaginative with his constructs, so they got that accurate in the film. Constructs are convoluted as hell anyway a bunch of characters construct things they couldnt possibly imagine in detail
As a result of watching this video, I had a dream last night where Ryan Reynalds became my roommate and I was hanging out with him for a few weeks and the entire time he was kinda rude and didnât like me but he was also really insecure about being in green lantern so I spent the time trying to convince him that green lantern wasnât actually THAT bad of a movie and he shouldnât be so hard on himself especially when the problems with the movie werenât his fault. Over the time he grew to be a bit kinder to me and to himself
unironically love this movie. it also gave us possibly the most beautiful Barbie face ever created with the carol ferris doll. Not to mention bringing blake and ryan together. đ
I think the better solution would have been to have gone with a practical suit and then added VFX touches to it. Because nothing about the CGI suit looks something somebody couldnât have physically made.
I promise you that if the movie was actually good and didn't make Parallax a gigantic poop monster, people would have easily overlooked the horrible suit
As someone that actually worked in this film, I think your premise is completely insane. This entire theory just feels like something that an armchair analyst would make. The CG holds up well, the idea that there is a problem comes from someone that knows that work was donât to the body/face connection but you actually missed the real reason. There was a huge delay in production because it was decid d that Hal needed his mask on the entire time- so we at SPI had to go back and add that major costume element to every damn shot- huge budget hit. Also the major reason of using so much CGI on the body was because the 2010s was the age of stereo- 3D movies were as the rage and everything needed to be either a 3D shoot or in this case, a stereo conversion, which is where I came into the production. So if you had a cg quit you had an easier time at making this a stereo film. Your lack of actually knowing what the production was really entailed with zero production knowledge really shows man. Do better.
it should be compared with the iron spider suit from infinity war
The Iron Spider suit covers his head mostly of the time, and don't mark his body muscles, so i don't think is comparable. Bcs once they cover Tom Holland's face, it's just 100% CGI body without need to blend with a real person. Ryan's face was always visible.
Y'know, looking back at these clips, I genuinely think the biggest visual problem with the suits is the colour grading - the green is *way* too heavily saturated to look tangible next to the live-action elements.
Any shot with a primarily digital environment, the suits look great, but in shots where they're the only digital element (especially darker or backlit ones) the luminance of the green is way too high to look like it fits in with the rest of the shot.
I remember Corridor Crew mentioning a similar issue in the original live action Sonic trailer - his fur's so intensely blue that it doesn't look like it's reacting to the ambient light enough
I ain't have a problem with the CGI itself, I had a problem with how the suits looked like they were basically just spray painted onto the user's bodies and the Very drastic design changes everyone but Sinestro went through. Like Kilowog looking more like a Pug than a Pig in the Humpty Dumpty one looking like some creepy Jim Henson Workshop puppet
Think of how much money and how many skilled artists worked in service of this suit, and wonder why the heck they didn't put just a little more time and effort into the script.
You could probably make a entire video on the CW flash cgi
The entire defense of CW Flash CGI was that it's a 20+ episode show per year running on a Network Television budget and schedule.
I still can't believe the guy who made Casino Royale and Goldeneye, 2 of my favorite movies, also made this.
It's weird that they just didn't do the transition from plain clothes to the suit in CG whilst still using a practical suit. The suit didn't need to be CG, only the transition did.
I never had an issue with the suit. I think they did an amazing job
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Not gonna lie, I've kinda always been okay with the CGI suit.
1) It's the first time they've tried doing the GL suit in live action (to my knowledge)
and
2) How else did you think they were gonna make it. it's a suit made out of energy that's in a CGI world, its gonna look a little weird.
What they should do in the future though, is to have a practical suit that they can use and add CGI effects to in post. A mocap suit can be used when the suit is being put on or taken off.
People would have ignored the CGI if the story was better. Green Lantern is supposed to be Training Day in space. Instead we got Sillyman and his Bigheaded friends on Earth.
Given that this movie was made in 2011 and wasn't an Orc, Chimp, or Giant Robot, it honestly looks amazing
I always loved the suit design. The glowing emblem with the viens glowing throughout the suit was so cool! Had they lighted the environment and his face better it would have looked better.
Green Lantern was amazing. They kept it completely Lore Accurate
I don't think it deserves this much hate .I would still like to see an energy based suit for Green lantern it just makes sense and is less time consuming to change then a super suit .The villain,the motives ,the Hal Jordan was annoying but sometimes it worked ,The settings on earth were a miss .
This is why you run tests before going all in on a risky idea
literally all the bad CGI would be forgiven if the movie was any good
Iâve always defended the suit in the green lantern movie
I thought it was genuinely pretty good. Like, when I was a kid I thought it was pretty cool and looking back now, the concept of the idea of the suit and end result was still pretty solid
They did a great job with the VFX on this movie. This is wayyyy better than many movies that came afterwards. I actually enjoyed it!
I guess the people in the past didn't expect that this "bad cgi" movie would go in to the be the baseline for modern superhero movies.
From the floating head to the excessive use of nano technology in armour... And unfortunately the horrible writing.
The movie (and this video) is a valuable record of the progress in the art of capturing and reproducing the minute details of the human body movements of a professional actor toward the goal of becoming believably a living human body going through the experiences portrayed in the movie.
I dont think the cgi were bad, but when people started to criticised it everyone were on board with it
One thing I would put "Green Lantern" over most other movies for is how aliens are really highly diverse in their appearances.
With all my love for "Guardians of the Galaxy" almost every single alien is just human. And you're in big luck if they have colored skin. Is there at least any canon explanation for that? Like "in far future mankind figured out timetravel, but something went wrong and a lot of people were sent back on a bunch of random planets"?
I've seen worse, and tbh, the suit doesn't look bad, imo. If you've ever tried tracking footage where you basically have no clear tracking points, you'll see why I say that... It's not my fav movie, but I don't think all the hate and crit is deserved for what they achieved. In fact, when I saw it for the first time, I thought it looked cool. I will say, the idea of doing a practical suit and then placing CG on top of it, would've been MUCH more forgiving on the animators. I did a tracking shot last week that drove me nuts - had to manually track it (ie, move the camera with reference points on an almost per frame basis as you whittle down issues through each pass) and this just for something on a desk. NO, just no, hehehe, this would've been a major NO. Major props to the teams who worked on it!
honestly the suit is the easiest to meme on, but the VFX is probably the best part i love how they made the suits unique ... the actual movie though? yeah it wasn't very good.
& yeah as another person in the comments pointed out, the fact that there's no actual green light makes it blend less; so yeah maybe they could have used physical suits with green LEDs for the filming & add the CGI on top
Like all movies, green lantern's biggest problems comes from the problems the audiences gave to it.
Gotta remember hal Jordan wasnât the only character they would have needed to do this for.
i just want millions of glowing green particles forming meshes
This one feels like one of those movies where the director had no idea how to work around the limitations of cgi. Not only that he literally made their job harder by the sets and on location shooting
i also loved the Grean Lantern suit, just because the script was bad doesn't mean everything about the movie was bad.
Honestly, I appreciate the explanation bc I don't think ppl realize how hard that stuff really is. And like you said, I think it actually captures what the comics were trying to convey. As a fan of the comics it was really cool to see it come to life. I think most of the problem the film sufferS from is more revolved around the writing / casting. I don't think RR was the right choice for the role.
This suit is one of the coolest superhero suits in a live action film imo
The outcome as a whole movie might not have been great but the work they put into has to be noticed like this
A few things they could've done that may have made massive improvements:
1) Still have him wear a real skin-tight suit but still include tracking dots in areas that need to be digitally replaced
2) Add an LED light system to suit to capture real green light hitting Ryans face
3) Have him be on actual sets that were built rather than green screen, some scenes the only real thing is literally Ryan Reynolds head, the rest is animated which is ridiculous. There should have been more effort put into the sets so the vfx could match a real world environment
4) Have the surrounding Alien characters around him also be actors in real suits, use of animatronics so he isn't talking to cartoon characters.
The reason why Davy Jones and the rest of the Cursed Pirates still look so good even better by todays standards is because they had real sets, environments and surrounding actors they had to MATCH to make them seem real. The problem here isn't actually his CGI suit the problem is they are trying to make a CGI suit look real in what are almost entire scenes that are also CGI. The lesson here is unless you are James Cameron stick to making a movie that is withing your skill and abilities to achieve.
>"Modern movies"
Shows a movie from almost a decade ago and only 5 years older than GL.
So u think it's oldđ
You ain't the only one. I loved the movie and didn't even think the cgi was bad. Also Ryan Reynolds was a great casting choice for Hal Jordan Green lantern. I really wish seeing Ryan again as Hal someday.
0:49 Hell no! When it came out, I enjoyed it, (with a minor cringe or two) and spent a few moments in homes, bars explaining why the suit was as it was. WHICH IS NOT THAT FRIGGING BAD IN THE CONTEXT, THAT THEY WENT WITH CGI BECAUSE THE SUITE IS COMPOSED OF LANTERN ENERGY AND NOT A FABRIC AND NOT SUPPOSED TO LOOK SOLID!
Imagine If Ryan Renolds saw this and said, " Nah, I'm still making fun of it.
I'm curious how much of the stuff explained here he actually knows.
compared to the recent superhero movies, this movie is actually good and entertaining, I have minimal issue with the costume and its actually spot on since green lantern's costume is not cloth or spandex, they could have done better with the villain though this is the weakest part of the movie......and Ryan should be thankful for this movie, this is where he met his lovely wife
If they could get the problems worked out, probably by reducing the amount of cg needed, I think it could have looked good. The constructs aren't supposed to look real, they're basically space magic, so a little uncanny valley would have been fine.
I never knew people thought the CGI was bad or noticable.
I still don't see the separation between the head and the body, atleast not in an uncanny way.
Now that I notice, Tom hollands Spider-Man suit in its first appearance was about this level of cgi. Also wb a critique of Andrew Garfieldâs suit and how they did well with realism on cgi
The main issue with the Green Lantern suit/CGI was the collar. If they simply made the collar real and put CGI in for everything else, it wouldnât have gotten all the complaints it did. The domino mask shouldâve also been real with some added effects to match the suit and theyâve shouldâve just kept Reynoldsâ natural eyes. Three very small changes that wouldâve made it all look perfectly acceptable.
I didn't have a problem with the suit. I thought some of the constructs could've been more inventive. I think they could've been more edgier or menacing. It just seemed like something was missing.
I have followed and read the Green Lantern comics since before the movie. The costume was spot on. The mask needed some work.
fun fact - with ue5 they can actually make a green lantern movie that will not look iffy
the CGI parts are also the only ones with any really noticeable stereo separation in the 3D version!
I don't understand why they hated that suit. I loved that suit at that time. It was really cool idea they made muscular like CGI suit. I don't mind that head floating things and I appreciate the CGI artists tried their best to show new things.
Yeah... There was some strange disharmony... And the boom box of the show was the suit, so you couldn't just let it go as it was there all the time. Great pieces of work that didn't just fit together.
You said what I was thinking about. đ
Very interesting! One thing I'm a little unsure about is what you said about full digital replacement not being very common? At least nowadays I'm pretty sure it's very common for Digi Doubles to fill in for a lot Effects like this, if you don't see actors face very clearly.
When i first sawthe trailer for green lantern I legit thought it was an IGN April fools day joke or a fan film from CZcams.
Can you do one where you ironically defend the CGI next.
I've seen Green Lantern many times and I enjoy it. I remember questioning the mask. I couldn't tell if the mask eas real and stuck to his face, but it never occurred to me that the suit wasn't RR's body. The only criticism I have is the plot, never the CGI.
The suit wasnât the problem ⊠the overall story was.
That movie was not that Bad, was just a movie, not a blockbuster, but nothing terrible.
Love your videos. Would like it if you'd leave the text on the screen for longer though. I can never read through what's there before you move on to the next frame.
When it came out as a kid it was freaking awesome movie. CGI and story didnât matter at that time. I just enjoyed movie and it was a something different superhero movie for me. I still watched this movie and I have no idea why people hate this movie for CGI.
I still don't get why they didn't just use a practical suit and composite the effects on top of it. Would have saved tons of man-hours, and the CG team proved it was entirely possible since they literally replaced Ryan's body by hand with a surprising degree of accuracy.
bruh i got a mint mobile ad with ryan rynalds while watching this đ
This movie should have really just been fully animated like Beowulf was
i have watched this movie more than 100 times but it still amazes me for some reason.
I wonder if it would've worked to combine the oldschool optical approach from the original Tron, with some additional layers of CGI enhancements...