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Insecure Season 4 Ep 6 Review & Recap | Should Issa Call Molly? "Lowkey Done"
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2020
- Insecure Season 4 Ep 6 Review and Recap "Lowkey Done"
Issa is in desperate need for some positive vibes after the block party. So she goes out of her way to do good for random people across L.A Issa plan backfires horribly. Meanwhile, Kelli urges her friends to reconcile. Should Issa call Molly? Does Nathan deserve another chance? Can you forgive a friend that would try to fight you? We talk about all of this and more in today's review/recap for Insecure season 4 episode 6.
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There is NO way I would reach out to Molly. She not only ruined Issa's moment, but also tried to start a physical altercation with her. That is unacceptable. Issa is a needy person, but so is Molly, just in a different way. Molly needs attention and control, and this is how she acts when she doesn't get it. Molly only knows Andrew because of Issa knowing Nathan, so she doesn't really have any grounds to stop Issa from asking Nathan to reach out to Andrew.
My assessment Molly= Narcissistic . Issa= Codependent. Molly needs to look down and Issa needs to support and look up to someone. She did that with Lawrence. She did that with Molly. Issa needs to just focus on her personal development and not get sucked back into the Molly vacuum.
@@FlutterMouse I definitely agree...but Issa supported Lawrence in season 1 while he was bombing @ job interviews, blowing off her bday, and just laying around trying to figure things out. He actually didn't evolve and get his career together until after him and Issa broke up. Molly on the other hand likes to be the one always winning in their friendship, and looks at Issa as lesser than. She wants to keep that dynamic, while Issa is growing into her own, breaking away, doing her own thing, and Molly can't stand it. Issa never had to go through Molly to get to Andrew to hook her up, so the fact that she went to Molly instead of going directly to Nathan, was showing Molly way more respect than she deserved, since Andrew met Molly through Issa's connection with Nathan. Issa was the one encouraging Molly to give Andrew a chance, so in retrospect, Molly owes Issa an apology and a big ass THANK YOU!
@@mybelle6665 Nailed it!
I agree...Molly also tried to ruin whatever she thought of her relationship with Nate. She tried to ruin the business connection and her reputation...she is ridiculous.....
This is so on point! 👏🏾
I feel like friendship break ups are the worst ,especially if you sincerely cared about the person✊🏾✊🏾
Heartbreak is heartbreak whether platonic or romantic. Those tears Issa shed at her mom's house were from a woman who's had her heart broken. It's a shame her own best friend was the one who broke it.
@@lifewithshawnda that is very true✊🏾✊🏾
I agree with Issa!!! I wouldn't call either. Molly is toxic. She only corrects her behavior when challenged by the victim. Andrew called her out about her time management. Her brother called her out about her how she was treating their Father. She lacks emotional intelligence and is hella judgemental.
Camille Murphy I love this comment . Totally agree.
I think she also only humbles herself when she considers the other person an equal, and she feels herself superior to Issa.
Nate boost her to go after the block party. Molly is always questioning Issa to make her indecisive. We saw how Molly viewed Issa beneath her when she jokes with Tiff and Kelly about Issa in season 1. Also her over stepping her boundaries to make a clear for Lawrence in season 3 and recently the parking space.
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I just want to say that getting help from someone doesn't make a person a user. It's annoying that people keep calling Issa a user for networking or even for asking a friend for help with something. Being a user means taking from people and then discarding them when they're not useful or just never giving anything back.
If you're in Target and you can't find something so you ask a sales associate to help you find it are you using them too?
I think the reason Molly called her a user is because Issa clearly dismissed Andrew a few episodes back during their self care hike. She explicitly just wasn’t that supportive or interested in it. Yet when she needed a favour she was really grateful for it. Think of how that looks from Molly’s perspective.
Artliker1234 I think some people are having a harder time looking at their fight objectively because Issa and Molly have been so disconnected we don’t see much of Molly’s viewpoint. I don’t think Molly is always right, but I understand where she’s coming from
Im sorry but if I constantly try to talk to someone but the only time they speak to me is to ask me for something or talk shit about my relationship when you know how long I wanted it but the only thing thats going to bring the together is when Lawrence marries Condola
One thing I keep forgetting which I’m sure everyone else forget is Daniel. Issa knew Daniel wanted more and only stayed with him because he was ok with her for who she was. He actually was fine with her not working if she didn’t want to and she really didn’t want him. If that’s not an example of Molly using someone, I don’t know what is
That scene where she imagined that get back at with the painting....Took me out! 🤣🤣🤣
I’m like why couldn’t that be REAL?!!😂😂😂
Just for once I want Issa to really say what she's thinking and do what she feels. She's so bottled up. "Welcome to LA!" Lol
Life Coach Shawn lol that’s how you get arrested for assault
I hollered 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Reminded of awkward black girl episodes 😂😂😂😂😂
I knooooooo
It definitely seems Tiff has post partum. Did you notice when Issa walked out of the paint 🎨 and sip 🍷 and checked her text messages, they showed Kelly texting Issa. Behind Kelly was Tiffany laid out on the couch (sleeping or passed out drunk...🤷🏽♀️ don’t know which) and the house was a mess. Kelli had been watching the baby what looks like the whole day. We’d already seen her earlier holding the crying baby while leaving a voicemail for Issa and when she finally spoke to Issa she was leaving Tiff and Derek’s house that night. Kelly is really trying to hold ALL of her friends down/together during this time.
tbirlon I’m happy to see more of Kelly
This episode is the day after the block party. Issa needs the space and doesn’t need to do anything to resolve anything with Molly. I do believe that Molly should initiate the contact with Molly, but not today. Molly needs time to self-reflect.
I like Nathan he just needs to work on himself and find his purpose!! He just in Issa life for a season!!
Nathan is good for now not necessary good forever.
Yo what? Nathan ghosted. He straight up ghosted and never explained. If she takes him back what guarantees he doesn’t do that again?
He did try to explain. He said he suffers from depression.
Life Coach Shawn ohhh ok I missed that from last season
Life Coach Shawn your psychological struggles can be an explanation for your behaviour but it’s never justification for hurting others. Black women need to stop picking build-a-niggas. Depressive states come and go, he handled it terribly with no thought for how she would feel.
I think Molly should apologize, because she made a big, ugly scene at Issa's event. This was major. Imagine your best friend cursing you out in front of everyone.
Not just cursing you out but practically asking you to knuckle up too. Lol That's a lot.
I think that Molly really isn't mad about Issa getting Nathan's help. This is a compilation of many different issues. Unfortunately, her outburst probably cost her the friendship. I had a life long go off on me and it was horrible. We aren't friends anymore. I refused to be someone's emotional punching bag.
At your job. No bueno
Friendship breakups are by far worse than relationship breakups. But as you mentioned, sometimes it's needed. With time, you'll heal. Being the "bigger person" isn't always necessary. Sometimes letting go is
Molly has also failed to realize that all the apologizing she's done was due to advice Issa gave her. Molly has always rubbed me the wrong way, but this season she's giving me chemical burns. Lol... She's on my nerves & she surely would've seen me come in the restaurant, order my food, sit there & enjoy it, then go about my merry way. Issa's not obligated to talk to her & shouldn't have let Molly's presence ruin her plans. Molly's reaction would've told her exactly how much Molly values their friendship.
I was so so happy Issa didn't go in and approach Molly. Molly needs to humble herself and apologize to Issa this time and if she doesn't then se la vie.
I like Nathan and it's positive energy for Issa. That's what she needs right now and I hope we get to see more of them. They may not be end game but I like him for her right now
Nathan is alright in my book.🤷🏾♀️
Mine too.
"I should've seen the signs" listen, that statement right there?! Sums up the last 2 years of my life tbh 💯
Issa has been checking out of this relationship for a while. From the moment Molly said "girl, you know your life doesn't have to be this messy right". Issa has felt some kind of way and hasn't been able to talk to Molly like she used to since. Molly felt some kinda way when Issa said, "sometimes I think you don't wanna be happy. Aren't you tired? Because I'm tired for you." Neither of them were ready to hear that so the divide in their relationship continued to widen.
@@lifewithshawnda listen,you just took the words out of my mouth 💯💯💯💯
Molly needs to reach out to Issa period !!!! I feel like their friendship is like Joan and Tony’s from girlfriends toxic af!!! And Joan was always the bendy one until she couldn’t take it anymore ! Hopefully they can mend things and I agree idk why Molly is so mad either bc mad or not I would help my best friend on the biggest event of their life and get back to my attitude or whatever later !
I love your Insecure reviews! And the fact that you post them on Mondays.
Thank you so much for watching Nita!
I loved this episode. I really liked the fact that the "reunion" with Molly was put on hold. This is an actual scenario I can relate to. Everyone plays their position well. Whether Issa and Molly regain the friendship is not important to me, just as long as I continue to see growth. One more thing...the scene with her mother was everything. Maybe because MOTHER'S DAY just passed or because I lost my mom years ago, but I cried too.
I'm sorry you lost your mother. I know that scene had to be hard to watch. It was hard for me, but in a different way. My mom is still here, thank goodness, but my mom is very much that "tough love", no affection type mother, so seeing that moment with Issa and her mom... I wish my mom would ever say stuff like that to me or even just give me a hug when I need it.
Molly thinks she is better than Issa, she thinks Issa needs her and she likes having power over her. That's why she keeps ruining big moments for her and doesn't like giving her credit or down playing her events. But when Issa started hanging out with Condola and not asking for her help she had nerve to be jealous. Molly needs Issa to be her struggle friend so she can feel better about her life.
Can we talk about how Kelli is having to be a mom to all her friends right now? Where the hell is Tiff's husband while Kelli has had their baby all day?
Tiffany's husband is probably working during the day. I think Tiff has postpartum. I hope they explore that more in the show if not this season, then next.
Working. He has a job, so Tiff can be at home, so he probably works a lot and works long hours. I think we will see Tiff dealing with postpartum because that's what it seems like. I hope she gets into therapy, though, because don't put raising your baby on someone else like that.
When I ended my friendship with my bestie it was so heartbreaking. We had a big blowup and it took over 6 months for us to move past it and become cordial and eventually were able to hang out with our circle. We will never be besties but we have fun and enjoy each others company.
Understanding and accepting that sometimes relationships will change and may never be the same is a big part of adulting. It happens in so many of our relationships and it's painful but necessary.
I think you're on to something with the jealousy. I believe Issa grew up in Baldwin Hills and Molly lived in public housing. Sometimes folks "make it" but they never get past feeling they aren't "good enough". Molly probably resents that Issa doesn't feel the same pressure to measure up, she's much more laid back.
Yes! This is what I was going to say. This goes way back to season 1 when Issa laughed at Molly for never having been to the beach when she was a kid. Molly's true reaction to that showed on her face immediately--hurt, embarrassment, defensiveness--and then she quickly covered it up, trying to seem nonchalant. ("Whatever. I'm still fly.") It's like she's always trying to prove that she's worthy, especially to Issa, who grew up in much better circumstances. Seeing Issa struggle financially (and just in life in general) probably made her feel more secure. Even though she claimed to find it annoying that Issa always needed her for something, Molly obviously needed to be needed. But any time Issa is doing well--be it by successfully maintaining a serious relationship or doing well at work--that old insecurity pops back up.
I was screaming at Issa through the tv screen at the end. I was like “You better NOT, Issa! TURN AROUND!” I want to see her make new friends so Molly can stop feeling like she’s “saving” her. I’m not mad at Nate though I initially was furious at him. I’m not even mad at Lawrence! I’m over Molly.
I was screaming at the tv too. Molly is used to getting her way and has begun to feel entitled. Just how she felt entitled to a parking spot Issa had clearly seen first. She needs a lesson in humility and even if Issa doesn't teach her that life will.
Life Coach Shawn Hopefully Andrew will!
Issa definitely needed everything from this episode. Issa is starting to grow and needs to start her self care on herself. I was so happy so see her sit in her success we all need that to know that yes we can do it.
I would never be Molly’s friend again. Molly is a wolf in sheep’s clothing and really doesn’t want the best for Issa. She’s too self centered and appears to only extend herself if challenged. The fact that Issa is thriving and finding her path bothers Molly too much to ever be considered a friend. She showed her true colors acting like she’s the gate keeper and Issa should have just accepted her answer regarding Andrew regardless of what that meant for her event. Molly makes EVERYTHING about her.
I absolutely love your reviews. I'm trying to stay neutral but my heart goes out to Issa honestly. The entire season was Molly acting/doing something incredibly rude and Issa having to be the one to apologize. Molly has grown up, but some humility will go a long way. I personally don't know if I could stay friends with Molly after everything she's done. And why did she make that weird "you don't deserve Lawerence" comment. At the end of the day friends make mistakes and mess up. Yes it was awful what she did to Lawerence, but aren't you Issa's friend first? And how has Issa been selfish?
Is what Molly did forgivable? I mean if I was Issa (which I'm not LOL) I would always hesitate before asking Molly for anything knowing in the back of my mind that she thinks I use people. Like damn, we were friends for soooo long, is this what you have been thinking about me the whole time?
I feel like on some level Molly is the kind of toxic friend where she has to have at least one person in her life that she feels she’s superior to. Issa has always been in situations where she relies on the opinions of others, especially Molly, who she believes has their situation together. For Issa, Molly has always been a source of stability. The other thing I’ve always noticed was how passive aggressive both of them are with Issa’s insecurities and lack of self confidence is out in front, meanwhile Molly has always seemingly been able to mask her low self esteem issues behind her career. It’s as if Molly is saying I may have issues here and there but I’m a successful lawyer so that outweighs everything else so I have yo be doing something right. She doesn’t respect Issa on the same way and therefore she’ll take subtle opportunities to cast judgements on Issa to make her feel smaller and more doubtful of herself. This season, however, Issa is displaying more confidence and has on occasion clapped back on Molly giving her a taste of her own medicine. Until now Molly was the bully and now Issa is serving it right back. I’m proud of Issa for standing her ground and showing she has gumption.
This is exactly how I feel about their relationship, too. Molly needs Issa to be around as yet another mask to hide her own flaws. Like, people can't say she's messy when she can point to a friend who is messier.
BooDotBoo exactly!
So, I have a couple of thoughts. I agree that Molly is most likely jealous of Issa, given her history with men. I don’t like Nathan for Issa at all. I know we should consider everything surrounding his situation, but it just doesn’t matter. I’ve personally been in that situation before and it’s the most hurtful situation I’ve ever experienced. It’s ok to text someone and just say “ Hey, I’m not in a space to talk right now.”. If he could find time to respond to the Lyft specialist regarding the fight in the car, why couldn’t he just respond? It’s super disrespectful. If a person ghosts me, I’m moving on. Periodt. Lol that’s just me tho.
I get where you're coming from. Trust is like a wall and Nathan ghosting Issa knocked the wall down completely. But here he is trying to rebuild the wall of trust brick by brick. He never expected Issa to forgive him instantly. He said he would do whatever it took and wait as long as it took to earn her trust back and he's doing that. That doesn't mean he deserves a relationship with Issa at all. But he did her wrong and is trying to atone. I say let him. He's being a friend to Issa right now and a friend is exactly what Issa needs.
the nathan thing is so true. nobody ever addresses the fact that his 'ghosting' her had to do with a mental health issue
Mental issues are often overlooked. Not saying he needs a full pass, but it does need to be take into consideration, even more so because he isn't constantly using his mental illness to manipulate her or play victim. If he got better at considering others even when he's in the midst of a breakdown or being overwhelmed, he'd be much higher in my book, not that I think that badly about him, anyway. But I dated a worse version of Nathan, so I'm annoyed that he ghosted her when he could have simply said, "I'm not feeling well and I'll get back to you when I am." If my ex had done that, among other things, we might still be together. You can only excuse stuff for so long before you start resenting them for a lot of things.
Hunny I've been enjoying your commentary this entire season and look forward to it every Monday. This has to be my favorite season of Insecure so far. There are so many levels and situations to this season that we face allllll the time but never create dialogue for it.
Thank you so much Cee. I'm so happy to be a part of your Monday morning routine. I love the relationship dynamics that Lawrence, Daniel and Nathan have added but I'm happy to see that we can focus on female friendships and it can be just as engaging and discussion worthy. Our lives don't revolve around men.
Right! I thoroughly ENJOY her insight and commentary! Happy Monday!
You made some great points! Also, if this relationship with Andrew goes south, Molly won't have a true friend to lean on!!
That wine looked like a bottle of moonshine. 😆
@@missrose9795 😆
Its called Colla Rossi.
My dad buys that all the time
The scene with George was soo funny😂😂😂😂. It was my favorite part of this episode.
They need a break from each other
From the previews it looks like Molly and Andrew are headed to Mexico next episode. I hope Molly leaves that bad attitude across the border. I want them to work things out because I love a happy ending but if Issa can't get pass Molly's constant judgemental and controlling ways, I would understand that too.
Life Coach Shawn absolutely... sometimes you need space to look at things from a different perspective and see if they really need each other.. sometimes you outgrow people
Issa is open to life without Molly. That's one of the reasons why she was so open to Condola and the ladies she met at the Paint and Sip. She's testing the waters and seeing what life is like without Molly. Issa is over Molly.
Life Coach Shawn I like condola I wish they did not give her the storyline with Lawrence, but it has me believing sometimes that her and Lawrence are endgame.. even though I love Nathan
This review was spot on, it literally hit every point - especially about there being grey areas in life.
Hello, sis. Great review! I love how you broke down a lot of the points. Especially about female friendships and how they end. So true and so relatable. I would like to add a point. When Issa seen Molly in Issa's favorite ethnic restaurant, might that have been Molly hoping to run into Issa? Now, we know the best thing is for Molly to simply call Issa, but realistically, people who know they were more wrong will sometimes do other things like show up hoping to see you. I say that because if I am beefed out with someone, the last place I would be is their favorite restaurant unless I know I was wrong, and I am hoping to catch them because I think they will ignore my phone call. What are your thoughts, sis?
I don't think Molly was there for that. What I saw was Molly in Issa's spot laughing and not having a care in the world meanwhile Issa is stressed out by their fight. Molly's a narcissist , she doesn't think she's wrong.
This is a good point and I kind of hope that was the case, but I've kind of lost some confidence in Molly. I'm hoping the next episode, which looks to be a solo Molly episode, gets Molly to realize she is in the wrong and needs to reach out this time. I have a feeling Andrew might be the one who makes her realize it. Andrew is actually really good for Molly, because he's been pointing out obvious things to her, and I hope she doesn't mess it up because, she is trying to hold on so tight to that relationship (even willing to end a good friendship over it?) that that might be what makes Andrew move on.
That scene with Issa and her mother mirrored a conversation I had with my mother recently. It was such a relief to hear her say she was proud of me and that she believes I have come so far
You dropped so many jewels so much stuff I needed to hear!
I'm so happy to hear that. I'm glad you came for a review but ended up with a little more. Thanks so much for watching!
Hell no Issa shouldn’t apologize or even reach out to Molly.. I’d be done cause this isn’t the first time Molly has done something like this
Molly is on her 3rd or 4th second chance at this point.
Life Coach Shawn She sure is... First off, Molly should check herself and remember she wouldn’t even be with Andrew if it wasn’t for Issa
The only thing I can think of as to why Molly called Issa a liar is because she believes Issa is lying about messing around with Lawrence. In her mind she thinks Issa is befriending Condolla whole sleeping with her man so she doesn’t trust her anymore. I haven’t been feeling Molly’s demeanor. That parking spot incident was very telling of her character. The block party was it for me. Could’ve ruined a career. I’m done with her lol.
Ohhhh I agree with everything you said and it’s crazy In ep 1 of this season when Issa was talking to Molly about the mixer for the sponsors and stressing about it possibly not being up to par Molly said “I’m bringing Andrew and he works at live nation so you know important people too.” I’m rewatching that episode rn and I just had to comment lol. Molly switched that up quickkkk 😫
😨😨😨😨😨😱😱😱😱😱😱
I forgot about that. Seem more like Molly wants to be the source of success and when she isn’t she will sabotage success.
Yo can we talk about the way Issa was there for random strangers but Kelli called multiple times and texted and she just ignored her? I feel like Kelli is so abused by this group
I wish we could get an ALL Kelli episode.
I think that Issa knows her circle. Kelli expected her to do what Issa always do and that is for her to makeup with Molly . Issa needed time to think and she didn't want her input because she still needs to process
sheniqua davis nah y’all love giving Issa explanations and the benefit of the doubt. No one is ever there for Kelli yet she’s so supportive and frankly my favourite person. The baby shower ?
sheniqua davis exactly. You know your friends and you know how they will respond. If I need time, I don’t want everyone trying to tell me what I need to do. It’s not rational to assume Issa is supposed to want to talk about this when she’s trying to love on herself. I get that Issa is a mess but she’s damned if she do and damned if she don’t with some people. The emotion is still high and it’s not the time to have conversations about this situation.
You know, yes. Molly barely seems to acknowledge her for whatever reason. Tiff was her best friend and basically just sees her as "she's always there for me" and does crappy things to her. Like, how do you let your new mommy friends host your baby shower when your best friend is there and you know she would have loved to help? And I hope Tiff doesn't have Kelli watching her baby all the time because it's one thing to help a friend with childcare, it's another to be basically raising their kid. Issa tends to be a decent friend to Kelli, so I'll excuse this instance because Issa doesn't want to apologize to Molly and that is what Kelli is calling her about (though the situation between Kelly and Tiff makes me wonder if Kelli is Tiff's Issa and Tiff is Kelli's Molly, and that was why their friendship almost ended). Issa stated she doesn't want to apologize yet again and Kelli is still pushing her. Sadly, I would have ignored her about that, too.
The George scene 😍😍😍she dropped him off at his sons house and from his expression came off as I haven’t seen you in years 😫😫
At first I thought the pregnant lady just wanted to get ahead in line NOT have someone pay for her items! Oh my.
Same. I could see if she need a few dollars but she needed like $100 worth of merchandise. Lol
It would make me feel some kind of way if my friend said those awful things to me, then went about her life like she didn’t care at all. Friends don’t do that, she wouldn’t be my friend.
Hey girl hey!!!! Listening while I get ready for work!!!!
Yay! I love putting on my wireless headphones and treating videos like a podcast. Hope you enjoyed the video.
Kyla Pratt from “One on One” is her name
And love and basketball and dr do little and proud family. Lol
YES!!!!!!
She is also Penny Proud of Proud Family.
Yasss this video came in time for my breakfast tea and biscuit. I’d probably be stubborn and wouldn’t want to be the one to call either. Molly should apologize first due to the fact she messed up that event for Issa as that should have been Issa’s night. Molly needs to learn that there’s a time and place for things. I’m glad Nathan said he just said he only wanted to help. Also he may have felt he owed her a favor because he ghosted her. I bet Molly isn’t as torn up about this because she has the attitude that she’s always right. Her pride won’t let her apologize first
Molly's lack of humility almost ruined her relationship with Andrew and her co-workers and now it's ruining her relationship with Issa. Remember when she ran into Jared last season and thought he was with another man. Molly ran back to Issa and the girls and was like "I knew it, I knew it. I knew I was right." Come to find out that was his brother and they were on a double date. Molly always thinks she knows best. That's why she sent Nathan away last season too.
Life Coach Shawn yes! That thing with Jared had my laughing. I thought it was crazy that she blew him off because he admitted that he’d experimented with a man but was into that. The double standard is real because women can experiment all day in their youth and not be labeled gay but if a young man does it, he’s gay no question about it. She was upset about that situation because she missed out on a good man who was ready for long term commitment. That’s what happens when you know it all and are never wrong
Whether or not Molly is unphased, I think we can't judge her yet.
I felt for Issa, but we haven't seen Molly's side. I think Issa shouldn't back down, and I think she should take care of herself. But I won't dump on Molly yet.
People talk like friendships are a dime a dozen, they are not. If you have one good friend by middle age you're doing good. You don't throw away a good relationship or a good friendship without a fight, nothing is perfect and I think they've been there for each other more than they've fallen out. Maybe they both are going through something. "Get your friend back Issa!"
I'm high fiving you because I agreeeeee with you & haven't seen the episode yet Ugh!! Molly has been demonstrating hatervile for a long time!! Can't wait to see the episode!
Thank you, you're the only reviewer that touched on Nathan's mental health struggles. Everyone's forgetting when Molly turned Nathan away on Issa's birthday the one day she would have appreciated it the most. Molly stopped it dead in its tracks then when Issa found out she was of course upset but it was no scenario to fight over. So that being said, Molly needs to come correct and apologise.
And I think this is something that needs to be discussed more, besides the mental health issue. Nathan tried to come back and make amends with Issa and Molly sent him away. That was not her place to do that, at all. But the fact that Issa got annoyed, but didn't blow up shows that even though she was upset, she didn't think it was big enough to make drama over. Issa asking Nathan about Andrew was much smaller in the scheme of things, but Molly blew all the way up. Her reactions to Issa's mess are often very disproportionate to the offense.
Molly could be mad with the fact that Issa doesn’t “really work hard” for anything and Issa is very talented and things just happen for her.The conversation with Issa and her mom might have confirmed Molly’s insecurities.
She didn't realize that Issa WAS working hard on this block party. Like Issa said to Kelli, "she just sees me how she sees me". She refused to see and accept that THIS was different. Issa feels the same way towards Molly. How many times has she told Molly that she gives up too quickly on men. Molly has rolled up her sleeves and put in serious work with Andrew. They're judging each other off of their past.
Life Coach Shawn but what type of friendship is that ?
@@LivingwiththeLongwas one that hasn't grown. They have grown separately but not together and that is the problem.
@@jbrich16 People always talk about growing yourself, but they forget that people have to grow together, as well. Like, it's nice more people, these days, are more worried about having healthy friendships and relationships, you don't know how great that is to see, but at the same time, we will ghost someone for making one mistake because WE personally have grown and we don't give them the room to show they have grown, as well, and that we have to learn how to mingle our growth together. Not saying stay around someone who is constantly messing up and not growing, but don't be so quick to jump ship. I do commend Issa and Molly for not giving up on each other, but they also need to have some talks about how they've both grown and what they expect from each other and have a boundary chat; it was incredibly bad for Molly to put up a boundary when her mind was clouded by her anger/resentment towards Issa. Like, they said, never make a decision or life choice when you're too angry or too happy.
Hello everyone! Thanks for watching. These are a few of the questions I'd like us to talk about this week:
1. Was anything "Penny Proud" and her friends said to Issa sincere or was it all apart of their game?
2. Should Issa Call Molly?
3. Is Issa's constant avoidance of Molly because she's outgrown the friendship and doesn't know how to say it?
4. Is Issa a user or was she networking by calling Nathan?
5. Can a man come back from ghosting you or is he one and done?
6. If you have beef with someone and your man still helps them would you be mad at her, him or both of them?
7. Do you have a friend who you were once very close with but haven't spoken to in years? If so, why did you fall out?
8. Mirror Issa was talking to Issa throughout the entire episode except when Issa saw Molly. What do you think that means?
She was mad at the time but you may be right. Molly considered Lawrence a friend too. Issa may be her best friend but that did not excuse what she did to her other friend. Plus Issa included Molly in her deception too. You may be onto something girl.
1. Maybe the ladies thought Issa had money since she was a connect (Carlo Rossi shows otherwise).
2. Molly should initial the reconnect
3. Issa has a tendency to avoid dealing with problem areas in her life. We’ve seen it consistently since S1.
4. Issa asked for help. People who are being used don’t normally know they are being used.
5. It’s possible to come back after ghosting.
6. Depends on why I’m mad. I typically take the position that I don’t “own” another human.
7. N/A
8. Idk
I think what "Penny Proud" and friends (I was so excited to see her.) Were saying was what she needed in that moment. I think 45% was true. It was apart of the act or list.
2. Issa should not call Molly . I agree they need a break. They will possibly hash it out later.
3. I just think both their lives are changing. They may be growing differently.
4. Networking, once Molly said she wasn't going to help Issa looked to see who could.
5. Not me. One you ghost me out will always be in the back of my mind. Especially if I don't hear and feel like it was a legitimate explanation.
6. No I wouldn't be mad.
7. Can't think of one.
8. Issa was able to make a decision that she whole heartedly felt comfortable with.
N Roberts Your #8 answer is pretty interesting. I hadn’t thought of that.
1 Game hunny you don't know them ppl new friend or not
2 Nobody should call anybody just wait it out til you cross paths through mutual friends talk if need be don't if its not
3 No I feel they both know they wrong they just try to move on in different ways
4 Not because she asked but because after Molly explained it might hurt their relationship after they had a fight because either way Andrew was never cool with Issa he was cool with Molly from jump they had no connection through Nathan they were fucking on a ferris wheel she knew what she was doing
6 I believe in loyalty others don't your choice
7 Depends on the reason just dont fall for that depression shit twice
8 I don't know just thats just the cray cray in her head
The actor name is Kyla Pratt
I saw a really great video breaking down the symbolism in this episode. In offering to pay for the pregnant woman's groceries, Issa was in essence trying to support what someone else was birthing, but she hasn't even fully birthed herself yet (represented by her empty debit card).
And her car ride with George reminded me of Alice in Wonderland. She was trying to help the man get where he's going, but she had no clarity about where he was going! When you attempt to be helpful only for the sake of preserving your self-image as a good person, sabotage ensues.
And notice how at the scene where Issa was standing outside of the Ethiopian restaurant, Mirror B did not talk back to Issa. That may be the first time this entire series that Issa has actually seen herself clearly.
Great review! I enjoyed your pacing, content, and point of view 👌
Thank you so much Erika!
I love the progression of your channel. I think Issa will need to stay away from Molly until she properly apologizes for ruining her event and exaggerating all of her frustrations. If she isn’t sorry for that type of carnage there is really no hope. I’d like next season to begin a few years later with Issa and Molly glowing up after the friendship ends. I mean engagements, babies, businesses, weddings without each other because maybe that what it took for them to engage fully in their own lives.
I look forward to your reviews on Insecure. You’re always dropping gems 💎.
Molly needs to apologize she done enough if she wants to repair the friendship
It's not fair that you go out of your way to ruin one of the biggest night's of your friend's new career and expect them to reach out to you. No ma'am. Issa doesn't owe her that.
Life Coach Shawn true
Shouldn’t have done it there, but this has been coming. Issa let it get that bad tbh.
@@Artliker1234 I agree- definitely saw it coming but I don't think Issa is to blame. Molly started the bad vibes and started distancing herself from Issa so I would instead say that Molly let it get bad.
Hey girl! I love your reviews! So based on your discussion points, I had a few comments
1. I think the bridal party actually was interested in what Issa was doing and then decided when the heard her name dropping, let her pay the bill 😂😂😂.
2/3 I think Issa is avoiding Molly because she doesn’t really want to repair the relationship. At the block party when she saw Condola, she had a quick convo on their relationship status and why Condola has been 👻. Issa walked away with closure. She could’ve responded to Molly/ met Molly half way months ago when Molly was trying to reconnect. She definitely had a part in Molly becoming so hurt with their distance.
I think Issa was using Nathan. She never would have started talking to him again if she wasn’t in a bind. It’s good that he doesn’t feel used but I don’t think she’s really feeling him like that but who knows? We have 4 more episodes and another season. I know I said this somewhere but the goal of networking is to build relationships. Her actions cause her to potentially lose 2 relationships if she and Molly don’t reconcile because as long as Molly and Andrew remain a couple, Andrew won’t be doing any favors.
I’ve had relationships fall out with people I was close to in similar ways as Issa and Molly. Communications really key but sometimes, trust is broken and their isn’t a chance of reconciliation. I never actually had conversations with my past friends and I learned over the years you should in some cases you should give a chance to fix the problems you have.
Frwill126 Same with your first point. The way Issa described what she did sounded like she made money. I don’t think they would have left her to pay if she didn’t big herself up the way she did. They could have all planned to dine and dash leaving the restaurant to pay, for example. In any case, I would have been pissed and that wasn’t funny.
"If y'all want some of this Pinot, let me know" lol.
After that argument between Issa and Molly, I hope Molly and Andrew’s relationship don’t work out. Molly needs to be the bigger person here.
Agree with you, Shawn, on all points again. One, we can all feel a certain way about what Nathan did in ghosting, but the positive energy he's projecting now has to be acknowledged. Whether he's her match or not long-term, he's nourishing her now where it's necessary. Two, I hated how the bridesmaids ended up being a scam, but it resonated how much Issa needed to hear from others how proud she should be of herself. Three, bye Molly. When someone is clearly unbothered by your absence, don't bother yourself with your presence. Get that food delivered, gurl. Hahaha
I genuinely believe Nathan has a good heart! He’s been the most supportive person in Issa’s life so far...
Loved the commentary! This season with the Molly and Issa back and forth is hitting a little too close to home for me. I absolutely have been noticing when I get on my grind and focus on bettering myself, someone in my circle who is miserable starts with the shenanigans. I'm in a place in my life where that behavior isn't serving me. I, like Issa, have walked away. Will it be permanent? Only time will tell.
No she shouldn’t. You get fed up always being the first one to reach out even when they are in the wrong
I went back and watched all of the episodes in anticipation of this season since they were gone for over a year. In a previous season Molly called Issa out on lying and Issa agreed that she does lie. I dont think it was ever anything outlandish, however in the moment when they argued Molly was looking to hurt Issa. Now in regards to their relationship, Molly has always been Issa's go to person. In season one when Issa and Lawrence got into it, Issa spent a couple of nights at Molly's. Molly ran interference when Daniel showed up to her work gig, even though she was mad at Issa. Issa reached out to Molly to try to smooth things out but Molly wasn't ready. In Malibu Molly takes Kelli's car so that Issa could go home and find out that Lawrence moved out. Season two Molly went to talk to Lawrence for Issa. Season three Molly goes with Issa to Andrew's after he ghosted her riding shot gun. This is where the problem begins. Molly has always acted in Issa behalf and it's been fine. When Molly sent Nathan away and Issa had a reaction to that, they've been off since then. I don't think Molly's "jealous" of Issa. I think she's still mad about Issa's reaction to her sending Nathan away. That started the distance between them and Molly started looking down on Issa because of all of the "drama" in her life, as if Molly's life wasn't a whole MESS! You know how it goes when you're stuck in your own point of view, you can quickly forget the good things about your relationship. Molly expected Issa's life to continue to be a mess and she was going o boycott showing Issa why she needed a friend like her, and that didn't happen. Issa had a job that she loved, was fully engaged in, making new friends, she couldn't run errands for her, or slow down long enough to have a conversation with her. Its all new and extra. Anyways, I understand what Molly's issue is, I don't think she can justify how she reacted to Issa at the Block party, but its been building up since Issa got mad about the way she handled the Nathan situation. That's my two cents. :)
iI did the exact same thing and rewatched all of the seasons. A lot of the dynamics and things between Issa and Molly I forgot about. I agree with everything you said. Molly has always been there for Issa in a lot of her messy situations, and I do feel she expected and really like she wanted Issa to fail and it didn’t happen. I don’t think Molly knows any other dynamic between them than her “being the savior.” With Issa’s block party, she had one piece of control in that situation by telling her no about asking Andrew. And Issa still found a way. I don’t know if Molly knows how to accept that Issa is growing and figuring it out and always comes out on top. I also agree that it hasn’t been the same since Molly pushes Nathan away. Issa said she doesn’t throw people away like Molly does. I absolutely understand Molly’s issue. I also feel that Molly has grown as well and Issa has been too busy on her own growth path to see it and still makes jokes at Molly’s expense sometimes talking about “old Molly.” So I get Molly’s feelings but there is something in Molly that has this thing against Issa’s winning or something like the reviewer said. But she was wrong in how she addressed it. Period.
2. I think that Issa doesn't need to reach out to Molly at all. Its seems like every time Issa has a win Molly has to take that away from her. When Issa said Molly is miserable I believe her, Molly needs to go back and see her therapist.
4. Issa is not a user, her intention on calling Nathan was not to get him to help her. She just needed to talk to someone about how she was feeling.
5. Depends on the man and the situation. The answer will most likely be no, but if I decide to let him back in my life(under special circumstances) there will be boundaries.
7. I recently fell out with a friend and tbh I do miss her, but she just didn't respect that fact that I needed space. Not to mention she was just a toxic person and I realized that I deserved a better friend.
8. I think it means that Issa isn't ready to face/interact with Molly just yet, she's still healing.
Why does every win for Issa feel like a loss for Molly? It's crazy. People who love you and want the best for you are happy for you. When has Molly been happy for Issa? Genuinely happy.
@@lifewithshawnda The only time I can recall was when Issa was with Nathan.
Why don't I already know about your channel. Love your commentary!
I look forward to your perspective on these characters EVERY week. EVERY WEEK. Excellent.
Glad you like them! Thanks so much for watching Courtney.
Molly totally over reacted and has low expectations of Issa in comparison to herself. She wants and expects Issa to Idolise and celebrate her, but can't give it back. She's deeply insecure. Issa shouldn't call her, if Molly can correct her other relationships she can correct this one with Issa too.
I think Molly purposely placed herself at Issa's spot hoping to run into her instead of calling directly to save face.
I feel like part of the Molly Issa story is being left out, and will be revealed later.What if Molly is in love with Issa? Or Issa betrayed Molly earlier in their friendship? Hmmm
I don't think Molly is in love with Issa, but I do think she low key resents Issa because she views Issa as "messy" and not put together, yet she had a long term relationship, while Molly can't seem to make one stick longer than a few months. As well as just seeming to get lucky in life in general, while Molly can't get the one thing she's still missing; a loving, lasting relationship.
I’ve been really enjoying these reviews of yours! You should definitely apply this detailed analysis to other shows that showcase interesting relationships and dynamics like this 😊
Great perspective about Issa seeing Molly unbothered! I think if that's the case it's bc of Andrew. I think, in a way, he's taking Issa's place. You're so right about Molly humbling herself with everyone but Issa. It validates something that I learned myself. People will show you your importance and where you stand with them. We know Molly bases her worth on external things (career, relationship status, etc) Issa doesn't fall in any of these categories so no need to be at her mercy. Issa herself said Molly just sees her how she sees her. I believe something will happen where Molly will be exposed. I can see Andrew telling Molly she's wrong. I've had Molly situations happen. I read a quote that said "If you fall off with me and I did nothing to you we just gone fall off." Sad but it's probably for good reason. You're the first review I agreed with from start to finish lol
I just want to say you are really good at recaps. Like seriously. Your voice is very easy to listen too and the clips you choose makes me feel like I didn't miss out on much. Awesome job love!
Also, can we all petition to get longer episodes 😂😂😂 cause girl...
Wow, thank you Laya! So sweet.
@@lifewithshawnda my pleasure ❤❤❤🥰
I really appreciate your reviews. It sometimes highlights things I missed in the episode. On another note, I wanted to answer the questions you posed so I whipped out my laptop lol:
1. I believe Kyla Pratt and her crew were vibing with Issa. They could not have predicted that she would join them at the bar and Issa almost didn't. Also, on the bachelorette scavenger hunt/bucket list, to befriend a stranger and dine and dash were two different tasks (although you could get more points doing two at the same time - it did not have to be those two tasks together). I honestly feel like after hearing about Issa's job and perceiving that she had money (hosted a big block party and willingly shared a big bottle of wine with them), they did it to her.
2. Issa shouldn't call Molly. In my opinion, they need to talk in person. To do this, Molly should and could text Issa. I think they both need space though so I wouldn't want either of them to talk too soon.
3. Yes, I think Issa's constant avoidance of Molly is because she's outgrown the friendship and doesn't know how to say it. I think Issa now realizes how toxic their friendship is and was but because of their history, doesn't want to admit it.
4. No, Issa is not a user. She called Nathan to talk and her asking him for favor wasn't even shown on the show. Also, to reach out to people you know who are in influential places or know people is called utilizing your network, not using.
5. A man can come back from ghosting you if you want him to. It depends on the person. Some people take cheaters back and some don't, all for different reasons. People also do change and do better so it really depends. I personally wouldn't run back to date Nathan if I were Issa, but we can hang or talk as casual friends.
6. I would be mad at my man if I had beef with someone and my man still helped them. I would be mad that he didn't inform or ask though, not because he did it. Like why lie or keep it a secret? What was the point?
7. I have close friends who were once considered best friends that I had periods of not being close to them or not talking as much, but we have since reconciled. We are currently not best friends (I actually call no female a best friend, just my fiance for reasons shown on this show), just good friends and we talk more frequently but that's it. For both, we fell out because they both other friends over my friendship (would hang out with this other friend over me, cancel on planned gatherings together but would be on social media with those other friends). Once I stopped trying to plan meetups and reaching out, we no longer talked and that was that until I asked to meet up in person months later.
8. Idk about this question
Your first point, I was thinking this, too. I don't think they planned to dine and dash on her, but after hearing that she knows famous people and her job sounds pretty good, they decided to do it at the last minute. Like, the girl who went to the bathroom with Issa ducked out and went to tell her friends that they should do the dine and dash while she's in there talking. Basically, they liked her, but saw the chance and took it.
How is it that Andrew can call Molly out on her attitude and Molly is willing to bend and go talk to him work it out but won't do it for her bff??? Really 😒🤦
Now you know, some women will literally do anything for a man and hold him in the highest place in her life, but won't do crap for their kids, family, friends, etc. It's sad to see that that seems to be what's happening with Molly.
I'll address Molly and Nathan seperately 1. Molly - I have/ had (Idk if we're still considered "besties" because I haven't talked to her since June) who I always have to be the 1 reaching out to and I just stopped. She hasn't reached out since and she knows she is dead wrong. IMO Issa isn't a user either. She has needed favors and from so called friends and even though they may have been embarrassing situations she still asked. Issa's potential to be a success in life is a threat to Molly because Molly is a miserable _itch. Honestly they can leave Molly and Lawrence in the dust this season. I'm over both of them. 2. Nathan - I don't care what y'all say...I like Nathan with his manic depressive self LOL. He is the only one who has believed in Issa's visions. He gave her just enough of the push she needed to make the block party happen. Like Shawn said, I think him ghosted her was lowkey a good thing even though it wasn't right. His intentions have always been pure concerning her even though his execution was flawed.
As Issa beautiful mama said, sometimes ppl come into your life for a season or for a reason. Issa is turning over a new leaf and is starting a new season with or without Molly. I’m just glad Issa is finally seeing her greatness. When people start seeing you win after they are so used to seeing you losing, sometimes that green eyed jealousy can’t help but take over. 👀 @Molly
I understand why Molly was upset. I get that Issa went behind her back that wasn't right. Molly was way wrong. She is not comfortable with the dynamics of their relationship changing. Molly could have waited and gathered her thoughts and then mentioned it to her the next day. Molly continuously ruins events of Issa because Molly is a textbook Gaslighter. I think she will try and make the relationship better but it will be too late. Molly requires perfection from every person she knows but does not live up to the same perfection. In my opinion Molly is not a real friend and she will continue this behavior with every relationship. She will look for another Issa someone who she feels is less than, and when their relationship changes she will do the same thing.
Honestly, I think Molly is just used to Issa being on some dumb shit, and to be fair, she has been especially in the first and second season! She was selfish and clearly lost in every part of her life. I think Molly is just used to that being Issa's narrative and always having to be there for Issa's inevitable failures. Just in case yall forgot! Issa only invited Molly out to spy on Daniel, broken pussy, staying with molly and the list goes on. I think it's just hard for molly to see her any differently! I do think over time that evolved into resentment and now Molly lowkey can't stand Issa lol. Unfortunately Molly choices the worst times to voice her very harsh opinions of issa.
You would think after seeing Issa start to find herself and make moves, Molly would start rooting for her but I guess some people can't be happy!
Molly should def apologize but I think they need time for the dust to settle but not too much time. I also think the separation will work in Issa's favor because now she can truly focus on her wants and needs unreliant of Molly.
Another great review. Love your commentary and perspective. I agree with you. Issa shouldn't reach out to Molly first. Molly owes Issa an apology. I'm glad Issa turned around at the restaurant and got back in her car. As far as Nathan is concerned they should definitely stay in the friend zone. She needs that supportive, positive energy that he brings to the table (as friends).
Nope, I agree with Issa on this one!...Molly couldn't even stand by Issa during her event and chose to make everything about her, not cool!
I would have too much pride to reach out. Nathan said he wanted to help so he did. It just happened to involve his roommate.
I don't think Molly should have confronted Issa where and how she did but I just think they both have outgrown each other. I wouldn't throw Molly all the way under the bus for their failing friendship. They are growing in different directions.
I would call Molly just for round 2! "You thought it was over sis?? Naw I want the smoke TADAY."
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Yes, I remember Molly say to Issa you don't even deserve Lawrence too!!! They do need to talk, I wouldn't call Molly either. Molly is always showing out at all of Issa's events, and if Issa would do that to Molly- Lawd it would be so much more drama. Just like Andrew said, it's always something with you Molly. And he's right. It's always something with her. To be honest, I don't have all of this drama with my bestie. I can't remember a time we fell out, now we will have a difference in opinions, but we have never fallen out like these "bitches" do. Lol- (They refer to themselves as such). If it takes all of this to be besties, chile, I don't need you in my life. I could care less how long we been friends. And how long they been friends anyway?
I wouldn’t reach out to Molly. Molly feels like she is above Issa. Issa should’ve went in and got her food though! Molly is this way with Issa because Issa allows Molly to do it. The insecurities in this friendship is the status factor Molly career woman at a law firm but can’t keep any man worth having and very shady. Issa the entrepreneur who is trying to figure things out but is also very passive aggressive and a people pleaser.
I needed these messages of encouragement woven throw your analysis of the episode. Especially pertaining to comparison and age timelines. Thank You ❤️.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Put some respeck on Kyla Pratt name. LOL all jokes, love the channel new subbie!
I definitely understand why Molly is upset with Issa. She should not have ignited at her event though. Also I feel Issa should go on and reach out if that is what she is feeling in her spirit, she is only hurting herself by not calling Molly and expressing herself to her. She can’t even enjoy her successful block party because she is holding on to so much hurt.
I really like Nathan for Issa. I think the Molly and Issa relationship is just over. On to new things
Kyla Pratt is the girl's name
I needed to hear this so much. I'm 24 and struggling to graduate college. I feel like I'm failing
Everybody else just looks like they have life all figured out. I promise everyone is struggling in one way or another. It's not just you. Be encouraged! You got this Brisana.
I'm surprised no one brought up that Molly tried reaching out to Issa a couple of times throughout the season. Dinner, Thanksgiving, and the Block Party. All of this could've been prevented with communication on both sides. Issa has used people or situations to get results. Remember the party she had at the beginning of season 2? Issa isn't innocent. Both are wrong in this situation but Molly should definitely reach out. Also, Molly has been a good friend to Issa and her go to person. I think some of this is stemming from Molly sending Nathan away in season 3.
I agree with you about Thanksgiving, but the block party was not the place to reach out. She knew Issa would be crazy busy that day, so why even try? Same with the mixer. I'm not sure if that's what you mean by the dinner. Again, Issa was going to be busy, why bring up stuff with Andrew there? As for Thanksgiving, I definitely think Issa should have come over; like you can tell Molly was looking forward to that as it seems to be a tradition that Issa comes over for pie. And when they went on that hike and Issa asked Molly who was on the phone, why didn't Molly say something instead of just saying it was work or something? That was a great time to talk right there. There was also the time Molly wanted to talk to Issa for lunch, but Issa invited Condola, which was annoying, but I get why she did it; she wanted this possible new friend to meet Molly and start a connection. So, yeah, I give points to Molly about trying to reach out, but she did it a lot at the wrong times and it seemed like Molly was reaching out mostly to talk about Andrew, not about their friendship, which needed to be talked about.
I love your perspective on this show. Issa was right not to call Molly. Im okay with Nathan now.
I need to know more about Nathan!
You are on point with all your observations!
Molly always wants Issa to be her loser friend.. Molly don't believe in Issa and she doesn't care about Issa's dreams or goals because she knows Issa will fuck it up. That's a sad perception to have of your best friend.
Bye Molly...for now! She's so insecure to the fullest and when her own bff Issa is winning, Molly still feels disdain in her reactions and doesn't show genuine care. Let her go...Issa, you can do better.
As much Nate was wrong for ghosting Issa, he's shown to be a worthy friend that continues to uplift and care for Issa at this moment in time. I definitely want them to rekindle their relationship bc let's face it, Nathan is easy on the eyes on screen.
Can't wait for the next event.
The scene with George in the ride along was hilarious and there was truth in his whole conversation that Issa needed to hear. Recognize the signs bish & find positive ppl to raise u up.
If Nate were unattractive would we be willing to give him another chance? Is Nathan using good looking man privilege? I'd like to think we'd still feel the same but his looks don't hurt.
@@lifewithshawnda True, Nate is physically attracted, but İ wouldn't ignore him on account of how he behaved towards İssa. We're all humans and we all are deeply flawed beings. Yes, we can make poor choices on who we can allow or deny access into our inner thoughts and desires. Upon his return, Nate did hint that the only mechanisms he knows how to process during strife is to shutdown and be reclusive. That's real talk bc İ can be that way too. İn that moment, İssa was looking for a Hail Mary with finding a last minute replacement and Nate was that link. We all deserve second chances and in this instance, Nate is showing up for her as a friend. Do İ want them to be a couple? Why not! However, this season is a level up chapter as part of İssa's story arc.