NBA Legends Explain Who The Goat Is
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In this Video NBA Legends Explain that Michael Jordan is the goat
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Why is it that every other player in the "goat" debate, has to use narratives and different perspectives to make their case, but with Jordan you can simply say 10 scoring titles, 3 steals titles, #5 all time in points, #4 all time in steals, most blocks for a guard, 6 rings, 6 Finals MVP's in only 13 full seasons?
so if I just say that bill russell has 11 rings in only 13 seasons is the conversation over?
@@TheSportsCore is that what I said?! What did I say?! I listed off offensive stats, defensive stats, rings, Finals MVP's, and the length of the career that it took, and all you read was 6 rings in 13 seasons?!... Tell me you don't know basketball without saying it
@@TheSportsCorehonestly that’s a much better argument than anything lebron has done.
@@Taj_Rahine supposedly LeBron is some great all around player when all these points and assists, yet Bill Russell with no real offensive skills to lean on was able to win 11 rings
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 what i'm saying is that is never as clear as just naming accomplishments it always depends on what you consider more valuable, you made it sound like it's easy to just choose what's more important to determine who the goat but there is no definitive answer it's always a matter of parameters, if you go by winning the goat is bill russell, if you go by individual stats is wilt, by longevity and consistency is either kareem or lebron and so on. jordan being the goat is also just one of the many narratives possible.
MJ was the Michael Jordan of all Michael Jordan’s
What these players fail to understand about Mike is that he did what everyone else did in 15 season, not 20 or 21, everyone they named kobe and lebum is that they both played 5 or 6 seasons more.
AND HE RETIRED TWICE... AND HE GOT INJURED IN HIS EARLY CAREER ..@@Fabulos1
Doesn't make sense
@@Fabulos1 And Bird won 3 chips in 13 years, with a record of 3-2 in the finals. Seems more efficient in less time than lebron. A real conversation between Bird/Lebron is justified.
@@Renegade8652 in a TOUGHER league where crying didn't you calls like what the Queen Lebron does now!!!!!!!
I don't need stats.
I don't need chips.
I don't need testimonies.
I was alive, I saw it on tv.
Jordan was the best player on offense and defense when he was out there ...and he could friggin fly.
Not jump, lotsa guys jumped.
FLY.
He'd go up, three dudes would jump to stop him, he'd thread through them, wait and then score as they went back to earth.
Air Jordan.
All the killer instinct, all the honed skills, all the willpower and all the talent in the world.
Exactly! People think they can rationalize away everything we watched Jordan do on the court
Bet.
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All the haters can say whatever they want!!!
LeBron is a great player!!!!
But ....MICHEAL JORDAN is now and forever THE GOAT of the NBA!!!!
STOP THE DUMB , BLIND and RIDICULOUS assertions that LBJ is the actual GOAT cause he's NOT realistically he isn't even number two!!
Social GOAT guys, really ???
What's that got to do with basketball?
NOTHING, NOTHING AT ALL !!!
It's a personal image 10:25 thing and good for him, but being able to talk to people outside the sport doesn't make his play better!!
LBJ is FOUR of SEVEN..
Swept a couple of times and only beat the Warriors once out of four attempts!
MJ is SIX of SIX ( aka Two THREE-PEATS)
Without ever going to a game seven!!!
If we're gotta count his ability to talk as a Stat for the GOAT TITLE then shit ... LBJ?
Don't even touch another basketball, bro.
Just go do a stand-up in a comedy club, and apparently, the TITLE is automatically locked!!!
FORGET BASKETBALL RECORDS.
Did you watch Wilt ??? I didnt think so. He averaged 50 one year, and still holds the rebound record among many many others. Take a look young fellow. Respectfully.
It is quite simple what elevates MJ above any other player. His game had NO WEAKNESSES, he is the whole package all the other candidates have gaps in their game.
I think the big problem for MJ being GOAT that no one talks about is that Kobe came along with a game modeled on his and dominated the next decade. It somehow hurts both their legacies. Like if you are that great, it shouldn’t be so easy to emulate your game
@@joegibbskins Because ONE guy dedicated his life to emulating MJ, and in fact did it so well, that he too became one of the GOATs, somehow means that MJ's game was 'easy to emulate', therefore diminishing his legacy and GOAT status? You must be in a lot of pain after stretching that much. 😂
@@joegibbskinsKobe was great, probably top 3-5 all time.. but he was NOT MJ.. he was the closest we’ve seen, but that doesn’t mean he was that close..
Um, his game actually DID have a weakness…he was SELFISH
@@joegibbskins its not easy to emulate MJs game, that’s why Kobe was the only one to come close.
You must be new to thinking.
I'm still tryna figure out when lebron passed kobe. Last time I checked, IT NEVER HAPPED!!
Amen
it happened in 2013, and the gap just kept growing since then
@@TheSportsCore Wait, wasn't 2013 the year SF Iguodala destroyed Lebron head-to-head and got Finals MVP? Or was that when SF Kawhi did that? I know SF Durant destroyed Lebron head-to-head and got Finals MVP twice, but that was 2017 and 2018.
Oh that's right, 2013 was when Lebron needed 3 hall of fame teammates and a few miracles from Ray Allen to bail out Lebrick over 36 yr old Tim Duncan and 2nd year Kawhi. Sure kid, that one right there made Leclank the best! 🤣
@@nathanlawson313 i think you are confused, 2013 was the year lebron won his 4th season mvp and second finals mvp in the same season, tying kobe in finals mvps and playing better in the finals series than any series in kobe's career. i also think you need to rewatch and check the stats from all of his finals because despite losing lebron was consistently the best player on the floor in all of his finals with the exception of 2007 and 2011, but considering kobe has also had his share of of bad ones is safe to say that was the year lebron proved he was a better player than kobe and stacked enough achievements to clearly surpass him career-wise. another thing you failed to emntioned is that the spurs themselves also had 4 hofers on that team. and when you say ray allen i think of all the times kobe was bailed out by shaq, fisher, horry, gasol, artest... is almost as if basketball was a team game.
@@TheSportsCore So your answer to how did Lebron let his personal matchup win the Finals MVP 4 different times is, "it's a team game"? Wow, you My Little Lebronies are working overtime to try and keep that NARRATIVE alive. It's Lebron's teammates fault! He just needs more help!
(Then they win without him 😂)...What a fraud.
MJ is the goat. The fact that MJ is still considered so strongly in the conversation after all these years says so much. And I do believe he would average 50 pts per game in this current era.
Amen
Lebron is better than that bum
@@kimoronen1823At losing Bum🤣🤣
You believe jordan can avg. 50. WHEN WILT ACTUALLY AVG. 50
The player who had the most impact on the sport of basketball and business worldwide is Michael Jeffrey Jordan.
Does citing someone’s middle name help your case at all? I wasn’t going to confuse him with the other Michael Jordan’s who have been great NBA stars.
@SludgedB It helps familiarize those young guys like you who may be unaware of his full name.
@@electric8668 I’m old enough to have watched him play live many times and I can confirm that thinking you’re cool because you use someone’s full name was as nerdy then as it is now 🤣
@@SludgedB I can confirm you being upset 😡 because I punctuated my comment with his middle name said more about the sensitivity of your mentality than anything your attempting to say about me. Yeah factual truth has a way of touching those who do not want to acknoledge it as such. But once again that player is Michael Jeffrey Jordan.
@@electric8668 funniest part of this interaction is that I actually liked your initial comment and I agree with your comment about his impact 😆
You have to give Wilt a mention in all this.
More than a mention. When Wilt played, they had to change the rules to stop him, because he was so unstoppably dominant. When Mike played, they had to change the rules to allow him to score more points. BTW everyone knows this, but cognitive dissonance is not just a breakfast cereal anymore.
@@Bill_Woo Wilt played against 6 ft-7 guys during his day,Russell was maybe 6 ft-9,of course he's gonna dominate other players.It's only when Kareem came in to the league and gave Wilt his business card,it read; THERE"S a new-SHERIFF-in town,partner. LOL. Wilt said in an interview for the first time in his career,he needed-HELP-guarding another player.
@@user-be7tc2bd6ewrong. Average big man in Wilt's day was almost 6'10" barefoot. Guys who are 6'10" barefoot in the 2010s were listed at 7'
Wilt IS the goat, Greatest Player , different than greatest winner, then you would have to look at Russel. The entire game was changed to stop Wilt.
@@bayouboy8644 And don't forget about those 20,000 women he said he slept with. That makes Wilt the GLOAT-greatest-lover -of -all-time. LOL.
Jordan was the Best basketball player ever! He took the sport global and made it "must-see TV" (at least while he was still playing)! The NBA today is a joke! No defense, no post up game - just a 3point contest for 4 quarters!
Amen
Right after Bird and Magic did before him.
Larry Legend over Jordan 24/7/365
@@kimoronen1823 I like Bird too and I would never knock him! Jordan's accomplishments speak volume to his dominance!
Post up game for 4 quarters is not better than 3 point contest for 4 quarters though...
People don't understand how crucial the mental aspect of basketball is, and when comparing players, especially those from different positions and eras, one must compare the mindset of the players. And at this point, any debate becomes superfluous.
Mindset?! The only thing that matters, is what you did on the court when you were at your best up against the best
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 Yes, mindset. Every professional athlete emphasizes that the mental aspect is the most important in the game. Because mindset is what allows the player to adapt to any situation and to face any given challenge. And it's Jordan's mindset that allowed the Bulls to grow as a team and turned Pippen (and others) into All-Star-Caliber players (--> breakfast club). Due to his mindset, Jordan didn't feel the need to constantly change teams or to form a super team with other stars.
Obviously titles and statistics do not make you the greatest player of all time (--> Russell, Abdul-Jabbar, ...). If Jordan didn't have "3 steal titles" or if he never came back after baseball or if he had only 8 scoring titles - then what? Wouldn't he still be the greatest player of all time?
@@tschebyschew23 so basically you've never played sports in your life
@@tschebyschew23 Jordan has been loved his whole career. How easy is it to play your game when you were crowned the greatest before your career ended? Real determination and mindset comes when the world is against you. Jordan never had to deal with that his entire career. He was the darling of the NBA. I can name at least two players that actually played or still plays with hate on them on a daily basis. But even if we left that part out, Jordan is tied with Kareem. Bill Russell is GOAT.
Amen
Not sure why i clicked on this video, cuz i know who the Goat is, well everyone does, but not all are willing to admit Mike is the Man !
My feelings exactly. I just clicked to comment I'm not gonna bother watching another repeat of this tirade which seems to take place every year but adding little substance. It's like judging who the greatest personalities in the last 500, 200 or 100 years is in your field of choice. Now that's not likely to change from one year to the next, is it? It's the same here. We're talking about one of the greatest athletes in any sport in the whole history of sport.
Same again next year.... Until then, then!
Exactly.
Bill Russell.
Amen
Off topic...... Dominique Wilkins is the most disrespected legend of all time..... No way James Worthy or Scottie Pippen shouldve made the top 50 list over Nique..... Neither of them ever carried a franchise and were both 2nd or 3rd options on their respective teams. Nique was the man in Atlanta for years
Agree, the only thing going against Niq is just unfortunately he could not win a ring, but so do many others like Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Ewing, Miller. But like others in that era, he stayed loyal and not jumping around chasing rings like current era players.
Facts. Dominique was a force.
Put Wilkins in Pippen shoes and MJ is still 3peating
@@bGzzzzz I believe so, probably in an even more dominant manner!
@@paulusrumanouw3176 - I think it would be dominating, as Wilkins entered the league a star and ready whereas Pippen took 3yrs to adjust
Completely agree with you BTM.
I think Kareem has the healthiest response to the GOAT argument: that it's purely subjective, even overhyped in terms of the NBA's history. He believes there's more to consider than just actions on the court.
A couple of those former players that were mentioning LeBron as the GOAT said that LeBron is better because he vocal about his politics. Since when did someone’s political beliefs make them a better athlete? A players greatness should be measured by their on the court performance and nothing else. I really hate when athletes try to push a political agenda. I watch sports to get away from that crap. And when it comes to the NBA LeBron can not compare to Jordan. Two different styles of play, but Jordan was the kind of player that did anything to win. And LeBron is always gona stay with what he does best. Great show and keep it up
I mean it’s also the case that Jordan played in an era where black players were trying to be accepted by white america for the first time. The Boston bussing riots had happened in the late 70s, the NBA’s fan base had tanked because the league was “too black” before Magic and Bird came in and their rivalry saved the game. Jordan comes in the second half of the 80s and sells his sneakers and Big Macs and is an exciting player and loved by everyone, even though he is dark skinned in a way that makes many white people angry. And yeah, it probably helps that, according to many personal stories, Jordan himself hates black people. Now if Jordan had Twitter in the 90s and was constantly saying that he thinks it’s cool when police shoot an unarmed black teenager, would he be as celebrated then or today? Probably not
@@joegibbskins You are just speculating. And it's really disingenuous of You to try to insinuate MJ would ever say something that dumb. Maybe LBJ, but not MJ. MJ was class act in every interview. You must live in some different reality.
@@pawemaliszewski9324 I know I’m speculating. What I’m saying is Jordan benefitted from not having his opinions out there during his prime. There’s many stories of Jordan ranting about he hates black men. Maybe they aren’t true, or maybe they are and we benefited from Jordan living before social media
@@joegibbskins So Your source is "trust me bro". Ok buddy.
@@pawemaliszewski9324 you can go watch the videos, man. They’re famous
MJ is the GOAT and Le Flop has the greatest genetics of all time. He he had Mikes drive and sheer will and wasnt a little biach he might be the goat
Too bad he perfected the latter.
LeBron is on Juice
We don’t care about social issues. We want solid basketball.
The thing about these social issues is that it's superficial just like Lebron. Take "his" Promise School, we all fell for it and most people today believe that's Lebron's school. I mean, who wouldn't, he gave the impression when he was there that it's his school and he's responsible for it's existence. Nothing could be further from the truth. It's not his, it's not his initiative or even his idea. All Lebron did was donated I think it was about $8m to the project through his foundation. A foundation that receives donations and contributions from many different sources.
So, it was his school and how much of the 8m was actually his, we will never know.
Lebron's a very gifted liar, most narcissist are.
True, and everyone act like Lebron actually did something for social justice, hes done nothing just talked out of his as... the whole time., and probably had some good cops killed with his fight back against all the police tweets (which he always later deleted the wuss he is)..
Dirk exposed that fake goat in his prime
Don't forget Jason Terry.
Don't forget Barea.
That was 13 years ago lol have you been paying attention since then
@@drey6111don’t matter that stain is still there
@@candancejohnston They swept Kobe though
What I love about Sean David and this channel is that he at least has Bird at #2, so I know that as a former player, he understands real greatness when he sees it!
Of course, i have Bird at #1 and MJ at #2 for all-around GOAT.
Jordan is the definitive GOAT of basketball 🏀 because he accomplished more in his career and changed the way the game was played, and represented the game better than any other player since the inception of organized basketball. Jordan became the face of the NBA and basketball at every level. His influence on the game on and off the court is obvious.
Keep the debate relevant to sports related accomplishments and influences related to basketball accomplishments from his stats, shoes, clothes, worldwide appeal, skills etc. All that humanitarian stuff is cool that other players have done but this is only about basketball.
MJ is the definition of goat. Try any other sport for anything similar. You'll struggle to find more than a dozen sports...
I don't know Lebron might be better. He's pretty much the Michael Jordan of Basketball.🤣
MJ 🐐❤️
wait what?! Wouldn't that be Bill Russell and Sam Jones then? Bill's got 11 rings and Sam 10 rings... they basically won the championship every single season of their careers, minus like 2 seasons. Jordan couldn't get passed Boston or Detroit for a long time. He also couldn't beat the Magic when he came back and the Bulls were loaded then. 6 titles is nothing compared to 11 and 10 in 13 seasons.. that's insanity. They're the two GOATS, period. You'll never see anyone accomplish that much again, ever. Also, Kareem has 6 titles like Jordan, he's way up there too. If we're going by most dominant players ever then you have to put Wilt up there at the top.. then Kareem and Jordan are close behind. Wilt had GOD TIER individual stats, while Bill & Sam got the rings.
@@HiNRGboy MJ has more accolades than anyone, and leads in multiple advanced stat categories. He obviously leads in PPG in the Playoffs and regular season. He was recently passed in PER by Jokic but in his down years it’s likely to go back to MJ. Bill has 11 chips but he’s all defense and averaged 14 a game on 44 percent shooting. For a center that is dog shit. MJ was good offensively and defensively. MJ had a season where he won MVP,DPOTY, a steals and scoring title. Nobody else in NBA history has ever did all that in one season. He also averaged 35 points that year on nearly 54 percent shooting. Nobody else has the combination of everything he had in his career.
Jordan averaged a triple double playing point guard in 89'
Against point guards that didn’t score nor could defend lol
@@TalentedMisterHeat8 stop showing the world how dense you are, bruv!😂
@@nygmatik2699 😂🤣 Learn to use your big boy thoughts when talking to a man. 😂😂 Not little girl insults 😂😂😂
@@TalentedMisterHeat8they couldn’t defend in the most defensive time of the league. You don’t watch the game do you
Steals stats in 89 are full of PG's. And there is a PG who got into top scorers.
BJ really explained the debate perfectly. Also damn, looks fantastic for a 50-something guy.
MJ all the way! MJ elevated the game of Basketball to the level you see today but he did it in the 80's/90's !
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lebron better🎉😅
There is no such thing as the G.O.A.T there are so many great players. Let's celebrate them all. 🙌
That David Beckham-Line is wyld🔥😂😂
I wonder how Kareem feels about his own teammate Magic calling Jordan the GOAT all the time without even a mention of him.
Or maybe he's returning the favor as Kareem was asked shortly before Magic's first retirement who was the best point guard he played with and he said Oscar Robertson.
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The one thing Bill Russell didn't have, was an eleventh finger for all of this rings.
Or an offensive skill set that would ever be effective against any of the greatest centers ever
Dope Video
Here is my ranking system of basketball 🏀 goats 🐐
Jordan 🐐
Kareem 🥽
Bird 🦅
Magic 🪄
Wilt 👤
Russell 🏆
Kobe 🐍
LeBron 🤴🏿
Duncan 🐻
Shaq 🏚️
Doctor Jay 👨🏿⚕️
That's an impressive list.
But I have to say Wilt.
Bro , nice list
To me, there is a goat and 9 others who make up the top 10...MJ all day. Chuck says it best!
@@Bill_Woo You are correct, Mike greatest winner. Wilt far and away not even arguable is the Greatest individual basketball player.
By the way Wilt had a recorded vertical of 50 inches. The man was a physical freak. @@Bill_Woo
Some people don’t realize that no matter what they said or what opinion they have or wish narrative they are saying there never ever be someone like MJ GOAT 🐐 this man never loss a final series in any category he is undefeated plus nobody have more achievements than MJ and that is a fact
I think I am so fortunate I grew up in an era where Michael Jordan literally exploded onto the scene in the 80's and then reigned on the top of the NBA's pedestal for the best part of a decade in the 90's, and to this day, I've never wished I could have watched another player's career over his, never!
I am very grateful and satisfied because I believe I've witnessed with my own eyes in real time, the best basketball player to ever live, period!
Scoring more points in not a GOAT aspect, shit you played more seasons and yet MJ is 5th in scoring, on 15 seasons played, it took these mfs 20 and 21 seasons.
The only argument they have is longevity and total stats from longevity. Look at averages and Jordan wins easily.
Yep or compare their first 13 years and Mike smokes Lebron ,
@@BonesDMS4life dumb argument, jordan didnt enter the nba straight from high school, and he wasnt willing to put in the work to be consistent for more than 10 straight years, the guy took 2 early retirements and people call him competitive? being competitive is keep pushing to stay relevant in the game as long as you can like kareem did it and lebron is doing, not taking a break every time you feel like. now if you compare their best years lebron has the advantage in everything except ppg and spg, but beats him in assists, rebounds, blocks, fg%, 3pt%, ts% etc
the only averages jordan has over lebron is a bit of scoring and steals, everything else lebron is higher than him
LeBron doesn't need longevity to have more assists and rebounds than Jordan. Jordan had one season with more of them than LeBron's career averages. It's about 40% more assists per game, and over 80% more career assists on 33% more games.
Jordan did average more points, but on a lot more shot attempts (most in the league all but one year of his prime, when he had the second most one time). If you equalize for shot attempts, LeBron would average more either way (if he took as many shots as Mike, or if Mike took as few as LeBron).
And without any shot total adjustment, combining points scored with points created on offense by assists, LeBron is head and shoulders above him for offensive production, even just comparing prime to prime years and removing LeBron's extra seasons played.
@@TheSportsCore depends on what u call competitive also remember 80s players only played on a average of 10 years for a career yes he was competitive , he won 6 out of 6 times he got to the finals u gotta be drunk to think a team that won 2 3 peats back to back weren’t competitive we have only saw it 2 times in nba history . Also Mike went at his opposition personally on the court there’s rarely any guys with Mike and Kobe mentality
BJ Armstrong must’ve forgot how good MJ was on DEFENSE
I believe that Michael Jordan is the GOAT and I’ll give some of the few reasons why I believe that he’s the GOAT!
1. **Skill and Talent:** Jordan was a total baller. I mean, the dude had mad hops, which is why they called him "Air Jordan." He had sick moves, dunks, crazy speed, and could do it all on the court, from scoring to shutting down opponents.
2. **Scoring Ability:** Jordan was a scoring machine. He had a deadly mid-range game, could finish at the rim like nobody's business, and had footwork and back to the basket game that was just next level. He owned the scoring title for ten seasons straight and still holds the record for highest career scoring average (30.1 points per game).
3. **Clutch Performances:** When the game was on the line, Jordan was the man. He hit game-winners like it was nothing and always stepped up in crunch time. Some say he's the GOAT when it comes to clutch plays including yours truly!
4. **Leadership:** MJ was the ultimate leader, both on and off the court. He pushed his teammates to be their best and led by example with his insane work ethic and never-say-die attitude. That's why his teams racked up all those championships.
5. **Impact on the Game:** Jordan changed the game of basketball forever. He made the NBA a global phenomenon, and his influence extended way beyond the court. He's a straight-up cultural icon, no doubt about it.
6. **Championship Success:** Six rings, man. Jordan led the Bulls to six NBA titles in the '90s, and he was the Finals MVP every single time without a single loss. That kind of dominance? It's what legends are made of, bro.
MJ is the GOAT!
I feel like Rasheed’s choice is legitimate, especially considering the position he played.
@@CharlesPuryear-ds2pg mike never played against kareem in the playoffs. and there are plenty of cases with sufficient credibility, russel won twice as many titles and would have many more finals mvps, kareem and bron beat him in the consistency and longevity department, wilt was more dominant individually in his prime. its only a matter of what you consider more important, thats why different people have different opinions on the topic
@@CharlesPuryear-ds2pg Rasheed is pretty much a crack ho now.
Meadowlark and Curly are the greatest
Now you are someone I could hang with! You appreciate genuine greatness in life!
BTW Marques Haynes (sp.?) is another you might have respect for.
Fun Fact: Meadowlark Lemon is also from Wilmington, NC.
Jamal Crawford said it best; when someone is considered the goat of sports, it’s like that example he used with Beckham exactly.. like, I say as an example, Tiger is the Jordan of golf!👊🏽
#Mike never fell victim to Woke racism or politics! He just played basketball perfectly. #TheGOAT✨
Thank you! These people are blinded by Lebron's woke facade and swears that makes him special. Russell and Kareem were doing it when they had less say, especially for Russell when he was in Boston.
Easy now when results are 145-138
I wanna be like Mike! ✈️
You wanna be jerk?
Everybody wants to be like Mike
It was Jordan when he retired for good in 2003 when I was 21. Still is Jordan 21 years later.
I find the argument about Jabbar's achievements beyond the NBA to cement his greatness as meaningless. Winning at lower echelons (high school, college, etc.) may be impressive, but the NBA is still the best league in the world and accomplishments in other organizations simply cannot carry any logical weight in determining the GOAT. Besides, that unstoppable skyhook shot combined with multiple chips and being the all-time scoring champion for as long as he was speaks volumes more than being a great player in non-NBA environments.
Jordan played defense his entire career, unlike Bron. Bron has relied on other superstars to help carry him to chips.
Fun fact: Jordan recorded more steals at age 40 than LeBron did at age 28
MJ relied on Pippen, Horace Grant, and Rodman to guard the opposing team’s best players. He would come in late for a double team or play passing lanes. Before you menstruate, go watch MJ’s games from 84-93. Who’s the best SG he faced and is that guy better than Kawhi or KD 😂
@@Item9Up100% not true. Jordan always guarded the best perimeter scorer. Pippen took #2. Rodman had zero assignments except to wreak havoc anywhere he wanted.
Where do you Bronsexuals come up up with these narratives?
@Geno2976 early jordan had to learn just like any player. He was the superstar on the team. He elevated his teammates with leadership developed in touch defensive eras.
@@econarticles True! You’re making a point about a different topic. You said Jordan played defense his entire career 😂. MJ played in a less talented version or the NBA for the majority of his career. Most of the stars during his era were centers and power forwards. He didn’t match up against a similar offensively skilled SG with similar size and athleticism. When he met someone similar to himself, it was in 1994 - Grant Hill. And no, Clyde Drexler wasn’t on the same level with skills as Grant Hill.
Bill Russell. 11 Championships in a 13 year career. 5 MVPs. 2nd all-time in Rebounds. 3rd in assists among centers. Won 2 championships as a player-coach. Always raised his game in the playoffs. Greatest defensive player of all time. Blocked Wilt, Oscar, Jerry and Elgin from winning enough to be in the conversation.
Bill Russell avg 15ppg on 44% FG and shot the ball like he was about to serve a volleyball. Bill Russell is not the greatest defensive player of all time, he couldn't even fathom skilled athletes like Dominique, Barkley, Drexler, Jordan, Kobe and Olajuwon would eventually be in the NBA, he was guarded the bucket against players that didn't play above the rim and weren't able to body you up
@hakeemolajuwon4352 and that's why who's the greatest will always be an opinion and not a fact. For example, you're not the REAL HAKEEM OLAJUWON, now that's a FACT . You get the picture now
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@@desmondday7837 the greatest player of all time is not an opinion, especially not if you're talking about the way they played basketball. It's you casuals that don't know basketball that have to go look up accolades without ever even watching these players play basketball. No matter what era, there are players that are better than others and clearly there's a player that's better than everybody else
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 yep and the COW jumped over the MOON.
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@@desmondday7837 rings don't make you a better player, playing better basketball makes you the better player. Only pipsqueaks like you that never played basketball in his life don't know how to evaluate talent, skill and production of a basketball player compared to another.
Hey Sean! I'mcurouis about your TOP5 players of all time.
MJ is D GOAT!!!!nuffsaid 😂😂😂
Amen
correction to sheed: kareem at power memorial was not in the public school league, he won 3 CHSAA (catholic high school athletic association) titles. he did have the best overall career ever.
Nope. It's still Jordan.
Nope. It never was. It's Wilt.
@@jrr3787 Let's be real honest. It Could have been Wilt. It is Jordan.
Did Jordan ever average 50? Did he ever lead the league in assists? Did he ever grab 55 rebounds? Did he ever score 100? No. It's always been Wilt. It will always BE Wilt. @@HIMCULES
Lebronze isn't the best Laker of all time. He is not qualified to be in the GOAT debate. Longevity is the only conversation he can be involved in.
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don’t forget Lebron missed 71 games first 15 seasons and 98 in the last 5 seasons….. vs….MJ who only missed 7 games in 12 seasons played with Chicago Bulls…incredible - the Ultimate Goat - unmatched and incomparable…period.
What’s the song at 7:44?
Shawn, I am curious why you think its between Jordan, Kareem or bron? Including all of the dilemma, disappointments, negative accolades in bron's career, what bout the likes of Duncan, Kobe or Magic?
Basketball has nothing to do with social issues
Sheed is absolutely correct, basketball is more than just the NBA and Kareem was consistently dominant and successful at every level for 25 years, that's what greatness is, Jordan might have been a better player at his peak but he isn't greater than Jabbar.
My friend, Kareem had 5 prime seasons without Oscar or Magic and he missed the playoffs twice, got eliminated by Willis Reed, busted up knees Bill Walton, and Jack Sikma. Even with Oscar and Magic, Kareem still got outplayed by every dominant center he ever faced in the playoffs including 6'9 Dave Cowens, not to mention Willis Reed never avg 22ppg in the regular season but against Kareem in the playoffs he avg 27ppg and eliminated him. A 23y old Olajuwon dominated Kareem with the greatest team he's ever had. Kareem is top 6 at best
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 you act like mj wasnt bouced 3 straight years in the first round and didnt make it to a single finals until pippen became an all star, this is a team sport, nobody win or loses alone, maybe if you had an understanding of basketball beyond a surfice level you'd know that.
@@TheSportsCore yeah Jordan was bounced against the greatest front line of all time and still played tremendous. Kareem got bounced with Oscar, Dandridge, Lucious Allen, Adrian Dantley, Jamal Wilkes, Gail Goodrich, McCadoo, Norm Nixon, Magic, Worthy, Byron Scott, Michael Cooper, Maurice Lucas etc etc etc
@@TheSportsCore I never once said anybody wins alone, you're not only using narratives, you're using strawman arguments
Bro , don’t anyone believe what you said . Hell , you know your lying lmao
The majority of fans are casual and declare their opinions based on simple things like rings, or "the eye test," or appealing just to scoring only, or any other number of fallacies.
There are very few who understand the game deeply enough to be able to properly understand exactly the type of player LeBron is. Partially because we've never seen a player like LeBron before, too. No one to compare him to.
Love this channel old school basketball time machine i think alot of us would love to go back in time and watch some of these finals in the late 80s and 90s .
For those that saw this live I'm jealous I remember watching alot of this on the TV back in the day mj had everything and changed the sport globally you can't beat that LeBron is good in this era ,but he ain't mj and never will be......
Still the GOAT. Shall be tomorrow, was yesterday, will be 4EVER.
Michael Jordan The Goat 🐐 The Greatest ever in NBA History
As much as I like jordan and it's a lot. Him being the called GOAT will always be opinionated because everyone doesn't agree with that even when it comes to anyone else that 1 of the best players to ever play the game. It will just always be opinionated. Example everyone knows 2×2=4, it will never equal anything else, that's a fact. Prime example, my favorite basketball player of ALL TIME is SHAWN KEMP, if someone told me he was better than jordan even I would say that not true to me but it might be true to someone else. Just using that as an example. Everyone is free to think whomever they want to believe is the best ever and that's why topics like this will always be an opinion and never a fact.
@@desmondday7837 nonsense! You can look at his scoring abilities that nobody can match, you can look at his defensive abilities that no other guard can match, you look at the way he performed in the playoffs that very, very few players can match but not with as many great performances, you can look at the Finals performances! These are all verifiable facts
Lebron didn't just want to be as good as MJ, he wanted to be better. He wanted to beat him in every aspect. He wanted to become that big and better G.O,A.T He wanted it so much, that screwed up his aim, by tripping over himself, not given himself enough time to make that occurrence. He was impatient, with his own goal. It wasn't happening fast enough. So he threw himself at the mercy of the game , and he had made that transition, that he were now 😊that G.O.A.T.
One statement sums the goat debate. It's easy to play 20 years of NBA basketball when you play in an era where it's not a physical game. Jordan played in that era and dominated.
3:00 The longevity awards of LeBron James. Michael Jordan scored 32,000 points about 2 years faster than LeBron James scored 32,000 points. But because LeBron James REFUSES TO RETIRE, LeBron James was forced to play 2 more years than Michael Jordan played, to FINALLY reach 32,000 points and LeBron James needed FIVE (5) more years than Michael Jordan’s ENTIRE 15-YEAR career to break Kareem Abdul-Jabar’s scoring record. By AGE 35, Michael Jordan had ALREADY won his 6th (SIXTH) and FINAL NBA World Championship, by AGE 31, Kobe Bryant had ALREADY won his 5th (FIFTH) and FINAL NBA World Championship, and by AGE 39, LeBron James has won ONLY won his ≈ 4th and FINAL NBA World Championship (3 World Championship and 1 Orlando City Bubble Championship), and LeBron James REFUSES to RETIRE as LeBron James is AGAIN being FORCED to play MUCH LONGER and MANY MORE YEARS, well into LeBron James’ BALDING 40s just to catch Kobe Bryant’s 5th NBA Championship. It’s both sad and pathetic at this point.
On top of that, it took lebron 20 seasons to catch Magic in assists even tho Magic only played 13 seasons, it took LeBron 20 seasons to catch Olajuwon in steals, and after 21 seasons LeBron still isn't even top 30 in rebounds
Stop it you making it seems like a bad thing that LeBron still playing. The dude is still top 10 in the NBA even at 39. Also he's a pass first player if LeBron wanted to score first he probably would have done it faster that mj
And LeBron was already better than Kobe. Put things into perspective 3 of those rings Shaq finals MVP case closed.
@@Swaggabron LeBron has the worst box plus minus on the Lakers and is a welcome mat on defense, he literally hurts his teams chances at winning so he can get his stats. LeBron is nowhere near the top 10 anything and never will be
@@Swaggabron All three of those rings Kobe was the one who dominated the Spurs and blazers just so Shaq could get to the Finals. In the Finals Shaq was being guarded by old Rik Smits, old Sam Perkins, 6'9 Aaron Williams, 6'9 Kenyon Martin, and Todd freaking McCullough, of course his numbers would be much better
It's disrespectful to discuss anyone besides Kareem and Jordan in the goat debate. Obviously MJ wins, but no one else is anywhere near close besides Kareem.
Ok come on it’s got to be MJ!!
Half the guys playing wouldn’t be where they are (of have the money they have) without him.
He was the inspiration to (now multiple) generations.
Just glad I was around to witness it.
"I just want to do, _some_ of that." I love that line by D. Wade.
In the Super Bowl, the announcers where openly stating that Patrick Mahomes was the Michael Jordan of the NFL, anytime your name becomes more than just YOUR name, and is used as a description of excellence or greatness, you're the best, end of story.
One of the things I appreciate about MJ is that he never took shortcuts to greatness.
Lebron is coasting now padding his stats.
Goat of social media :D Like anyone is interested what some sport celebrity think about social issues. Just goofy.
MJ 💯🐐
T-Mac said Lebron is great on "social issues" 🤣🤣. That's the biggest lie ever
"Bron could've done it, if he wanted to" 🤣 🤣 🤣
I also could have become an NBA player and won 20 championships if it were my goal… but i didn’t
Jordan !!!!!
Michael Jordan is the Chuck Norris of Basketball
MJ NEVER QUIT ON HIS TEAM THO!!!!
Raweed looks high as hell, we talking about nba dude. This is not a farm there is only 1 goat, MJ. Only the MJ haters will say otherwise.
There were references to Jordan when they were describing Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl. Jordan is the gold standard.
Jordan is the player that made the way for the current generation of players. He got the personal endorsements from being the first ever player to have a signature shoe,the first to rock up in suits bri g respect and class coming to the game he was the first player to go global everyone in the world knew Micheal Jordan even if you didn’t like basketball or Michael Jordan you knew about him, he competed in the dunk competitions it was awesome as a kid growing up watching the all star weekend when the stars came out and took part of the dunk competition. That started a duel between him and Dominique every one would be glued to their tvs to watch them go HAM at each other. Jordan brought the hip hop world to basketball he brought the baggy shorts the short socks the rest bands all the stuff that the players have now are all because of the platform Jordan or pathway Jordan created these players wouldn’t be getting no where near what they get today if it wasn’t because of Jordan. I haven’t even spoke about his game next level. In today’s game where it’s a lot less physically demanding in the hits and checks they used to get Jordan was still dropping 50 plus games back than he would destroy today’s defence. Lebron is ‘THE CHOSEN ONE’ not a problem at all I can’t see him slowing down. Someone said it on the video jordan is the GOAT but lebron will have the better career. People always ask me for my top 10 or top 5 can’t do it there’s only 2 Jordan and lebron. I have them both as a leg sleeve tattoo we call it the GOATS leg . There’s Jordan than lebron and then there’s the rest
Sheed just pissed he couldn't beat Mike 😂
It's Mike, and it's not even close. 6-0, Finals MVP every time, led the league in steals more than once, led the league in blocks by guards more than once, won a DPOY, Scoring title every year with the Bulls, elite level in games played per season & MPG, beat more 50+ win teams than anyone but Mamba, and not only did he win all Finals appearances, he never even had to play a Game 7. It's pretty clear to me, but that's just one man's opinion...
Wade talking about le bron being the goat because his social things he talked about . What the hell has that got to do with your basketball. If you had one pick for someone to win you a game mj is different gravy to le bron
"When we talk about social issues..." Who gives a crap about that?!! What's next? "When we talk about golf game..." "When we talk about clean driving record..." "When we talk about who made the better Space Jam movie..." Actually, that last one might be relevant, and it's Jordan, by a lot.
If you notice when they ask a player that beat lebron for the highest stakes they pick lebron so they can tell they're grand kids "I beat the goat" in the finals
Bingo! I was going to type that! Thanks for saying that😂
If i am dirk i would say the same. Because I destroyed the conversation for ever, and it pushes my self
“ He could have done that if it was his goal “ - Richard Jefferson
Only 2 players to do it still; Oscar, and russ
Really the only flaw I can think of for Jordan's GOAT case is that he received superstar treatment from the refs. My dad observed that too because he's watched the NBA since the mid/late 70s and a Boston fan, but he still said to me "MJ had so much greatness in him that he would have still won championships".
I'm 30yo but after learning about Bill Russell's career I will always advocate for him to still be in the GOAT conversation -- starting his rookie season he helped the older All-Stars Cousy and Sharman turn Boston into a first-time championship team and be in the Finals every year of his 13-year career except 1967, 11/12 Finals record, 5x MVP on a team of multiple All-Stars because he was the emotional leader of the team and played to make everybody around him better, was insanely competitive and obsessed with winning, and if they had all the stats and awards that we do nowadays he'd have multiple FMVPs, DPOYs and All-Defensive team selections on his resume. All this while playing a league of 9 teams where he had to play against the best more times every season because they still played 82 game seasons. So instead of playing Wilt 2 times each regular season, he played Wilt much more than that. Bill also was one of the first on record to trash talk and get in his opponent's heads.
Not saying Bill has the best GOAT case; his team was insanely loaded with All-Stars in an era before free agency, so systemically Boston kept the advantage stacked in their favor. But it's still impressive to keep winning year after year like they did without egos, fallout, and drama like today's dynasties experience. And if winning is the ultimate goal in sports, and Bill was the greatest at that in his sport's history, then his name should never be left out of GOAT conversations.
Picking a GOAT is like picking the greatest ice cream of all time. While I do have a favorite, Haagen Daas Butter Pecan, I do realize other brands and flavors can be quite tasty and enjoyable. For me, MJ is my butter pecan.
Bill Russell has 11 rings. He won the last 2 of those as player-coach. Bill Russell is the greatest NBA champion.
Bill Russell would get annihilated by the all stars of the 80's and 90's... He never even fathomed that a player liked Jordan would eventually be in the NBA
@@hakeemolajuwon4352, (1) no center has ever moved like Bill Russell, an Olympic-caliber track athlete. Bill Russell is the best defensive basketball player I have ever seen. Bill did all the things that don't necessarily show up in the stats, but make his teammates better, and win basketball games. He has more rings than Kareem, Wilt and Olajuwon combined. Bill Russell is the greatest NBA champion. (2) As far as the 80s, 90s and today, Bill Russell would make every team he played on an instant championship contender. For just one example, imagine Bill Russell on today's Dallas Mavericks. Bill would take that team -- that has not won a damn thing -- and lead them to, oh I don't know, maybe ELEVEN championships over the next 13 years, haha 🙂
@@henry-bo3np Olajuwon was a goalie in soccer, played handball, volleyball, ran track, and was a far better athlete than Russell, get real casual
@@henry-bo3np Olajuwon led the 94' Rockets to a ring while leading the team in points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks for the entire playoffs. Bill Russell no matter how many rings he has would've never in a million years been able to carry any team his entire life
King is not bad, Black mamba is legendary but being called black Jesus is something else 🙌🏻
This should be interesting …
I play basketball in Europe (Yugoslavia ) ... we all here in EU woke up at 3AM to watch MJ play ... who woke up at 3AM to watch Leclown ?
Sean, didn't you have Hakeem above Kareem? Or did you change your mind?
I love what was said…
Lebron has the greatest career and Michael is the greatest player!
This is the best perspective I’ve heard so far. It honours both men very well!
I can respect the Kareem argument even if I don't agree but in the case of LeBron: being really good for a long period of time and loading up cumulative stats doesn't make you the GOAT
And i understand Rasheed Wallace because he a big man most big man looked up to great big man because that was there positions to be great in.
Michael Jordan would be the GOAT definitely! I would watch Michael Jordan play and instantly would be a fan. I admired him for how he played the game and how he influenced me as a fan. When Jordan retired, Kobe inspired me but not as good as what Michael has shown. Then when Kobe retired, I was looking for new ones that would inspire me as a basketball fan. Nobody did, until Steph Curry emerged! I am still watching NBA up 'til now, but not as thrilled anymore as those Jordan and Kobe's time.
There is no debate. On one side you have a guy who has enough championships, records and accolades to fill a semi truck. On the other side you have a guy who plays in the easiest era to score, that took 20 years to break the record of a guy who played in one of the most physically demanding eras in the NBA, and not much else going for him.
This season LeBron is 18th in points per game , 57th in 3 point percentage, and 98th in free throw percentage among NBA scorers.
The greatest Scorer of all time the GOAT the King 👑👑👑💪💪
Goats come in herds respect to all of em !!!