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I started playing guitar because I wanted to improvise so I learned notes, chords, scales, etc. Now I'm realizing that playing interesting Rythm is much harder and sounds more interesting by itself. I want to get to the point where I can make any song my own without copying someone else.
Haha ! Me too, I think that's what it's all about, creativity, and truly playing/ making, music
Do you play with other musicians? You can learn a lot like that, hear how what your playing fits into full band context. You can actually play very simple melodies with few notes, while the bass guitar changes tones, so your melody gets a whole other context. Just try things out.
@@nedim_guitar That's a great idea. I'm self taught and just reaching the level where I can play well enough to sit in with a band.
@@Ben-Ken yo I found my doppelgĂ€nger. Im the exact same as you. Itâs about the passion you put into it and your creativity. I wish I could start a band or something but nowadays, it is so hard. And I think the guitar and music world is corrupt almost. And this guy points it out
Exactly my path and I am glad to see some people with similar sensibilities around. I was just talking about this to the wife. Repeating songs makes no sense whatsoever to me except as a play a long for pure fun and execution level checking.
I started out on rhythm guitar until I joined my third band. I met up with the other guitarist and we had a lengthy jam, mixing rhythm and lead. I thought he was much better than me on lead, but when he finished, he said, âWell, itâs pretty clear that you should be the lead guitarist.â Puzzled, I said, âthat was just some old crap off the top of my head,â and he said, âExactly I was playing riffs Iâd practiced over and over, and you had some tricks down better than me, like those harmonic runs, tapping and sweeping.â
I was in that band for seven years, when I joined a metal band called the Uninvited. I was lead guitar, lead vocalist and songwriter.
But even though I was lead guitar, the rhythm guitarist was invaluable, really filling out the sound and counterpointing the percussion, also great. The drummer, Pete, was a friend of mine, as was the bassist, Graham. The rhythm guitarist, Kirk, is a friend of mine today. The band unfortunately split when Graham died of a rare disease. But I have been in a couple of bands with Kirk since.
"Uninvited" Cool name.
As a mostly rhythm guitarist as long as I've been playing, making leads that sound half decent is hard. Chords, chord theory, harmony, that type of rhythm whatever. I'm good at it. Great at it even. I can reliably write decent rhythm parts if given half an hour, in any key. But making a lead sound good... Is a totally different ball game. I have the minor, major, and Phrygian scale memorized in multiple different positions as well as a good idea of what frets I can play on each string vertically. That knowledge matters when it comes to writing leads, but not as much as you might think. The best leads I've written have been me just relying on my knowledge of triads (because I know the 21 shapes in e minor) but I don't really count that stuff. Because it's still harmony. Which us what I understand.
When I was 14 I was obsessed with lead guitar.
When I got older and learned music theory, I was obsessed with rhythm and structure.
When I got older still, I wished I'd started playing sax or piano instead. Maybe some of us are frustrated violinists. Lol.
Love your video and insights. Cheers!
Jimi Hendrixâs rhythm playing was astoundingly good. Not just the innovative use of harmonic movements we are so familiar with, but his time. His meter was so impeccable we didnât even think about it. Chances are if someone in the band wandered it was drums or bass. Thatâs uncommon in a trio. 52 years later his playing continues to educate and illuminate us. His greatest accomplishment in my opinion was his writing and a song writer needs more than anything to accompany the voice. Look to the great writers for great rhythm players. Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Prince, Mark Knopfler, early delta blues players who performed solo. Just a small sampling who demonstrate my thesis.
It's crazy that we grew up hearing Jimi, Clapton, Page and so many more amazing guitarist from infancy. I definitely took it for granted as a kid, but the older I get the more I appreciate just how innovate and imaginative these guys were. They made sounds that had never been made before.
I love what Jimi does. Itâs too the same thing a pianist will do with chords all the time. Guitars is melody in rhythm. Thatâs the best way to explain it.
I've worked with quite a few guitarists who could play me under the table technically but who I still consider to be incomplete as players for the simple reason that they have this idea of rhythm = chords, lead = solos, and don't understand the bits in the middle: jangles, suspensions, drones, double-stopped fills and a lot more. Players like Hendrix, Ronnie Wood, Steve Cropper, and Pete Townshend transcend the rhythm/lead thing and have the same vibe whether they're soloing or chording. It's a beautiful approach.
Great comment. For the reasons you mentioned, thatâs how Iâve also come to appreciate Jerry Cantrell and Ty Tabor. Itâs their subtleties that make otherwise âeasy riffsâ sound like a million dollars.
True, lead doesn't mean you're playing a solo and shredding your ass off
takes me back a bit.. i remember a band i was in and we attempted to play little wing we did it so bad we always called it broken wing cause it was not gonna fly lol
I always played in bands with two guitars.
Then a couple years ago, a friend said he wanted to do a three piece band. I told him I donât think Iâm good enough to be the only guitar, and Iâd have to do all the vocals too. Worked and workedâŠ.doing Hendrix, cream, Black Sabbath, ZZ Top, Trowler and all kinds of fun stuff! If he hadnât pushed me, I would have never found out I can do it. Thanks Chester!!!!
Interesting riffs and making progressions more interesting is harder than just playing leads.
When I started playing my guitar teacher gave me minor pentatonic scales then added the blue notes. I started reading right away, which I am grateful for to this day. He also taught me triads and inverted triads. One song I learned early on was St. Louis Blues, and there was a section that on every beat I had to go from C to C6, F to F6 and G to G6. I struggled for a week using cowboy chords which were a little tricky except for the F to F6 because I only had to add my pinky. At my next lesson he showed me a really easy way to do it, just move the F form up to the 3rd fret for G and the 8th fret for C. Iâve always learned the chords on every song that I learn. By being a well rounded guitar player able to play lead or rhythm and especially being able to read Iâve been able to get more gigs as well as some studio work. Love your videos, Iâm always looking to learn more from other players.
St Louis blues did it for me, I am always amazed at how this tune showed me how to" move "through the chords, how to tie them together, play with them
When I started out it was always the same type of thing: chords for rhythm, leads single noted melodies. It wasn't until I picked up finger-style that I realized you could combine the two for absolute magic to occur. The same general technique was applied of course. General embellishments upon chords, but when played simultaneously (rhythm 'and' melody together) it just sounded phenomenally different in a better sense. When learning intervalics things went upwards in a huge way for me though. it was like a whole new world opened up. Especially when combined with alternating between rhythmic play and melody with that knowledge. I'll never forget that 'eureka' moment from those days many moons ago.
Knopfler was the one that opened my eyes, then Jimi
Great video, David. This describes one of my biggest problems when it comes to lead because I keep having to drag myself back to rhythm. It took me quite a while to realize how much about music I didnât understand because of my full concentration on lead.
When there's only one six string in trio, that guy plays rythyms and leads mixed, and obviously Jimi was superb at that. Chord/quick fill/chord.
Iâve been trying to play little wing for decades. That song is such a masterpiece
Love your videos DAVID! I just started watching them about a week ago and I understand a lot of what you're talking about but you are pushing me to the next level of where I need to go. Thank you thank you thank you thank you.
Thank you so much for saying that!!
masterpiece video - thx for posting David
The first song I ever learned to play was "Purple Haze." It was a great introduction to this idea you talked about without being overwhelming. "Wind Cries Mary" was the third song, or so, I learned & utilized this idea much more, like you mentioned, & was quite the leap in playing technique for me along with all the diff chords.
How you managed to say all that without mentioning the word triad- I'll never know. For me- the key to learning to play this way was learning how to build triads and other chords by just looking at the notes in that chord when played in its open position. Typically, it's 3 notes- find those three notes anywhere on the neck and there you go. Another thing that helped me- learning that a flat third makes a minor, perfect fifth make a major, etc. and that you can change any scale accordingly- or flavor any chord accordingly.
A major chord is made from a major 3rd interval joined to a minor 3rd interval.
And a minor chord is a minor 3rd interval
joined to a major 3rd interval.
A diminished chord is two minor 3rd intervals joined together.
Knowing the Key makes you see notes all over the neck.
Also sus 2 and sus 4
What a great video! Extremely well done. Thank you!
Well my roommate taught me power and bars. I practiced what I knew and experimented but couldnât play open chords or get more help until I discovered u tube. Now at sixty six,Iâm advancing and opened up much of the neck for me. Great show thank you.
Iâve been professionally playing for 35+ years (40+ overall) and didnât start the âChord Embellishmentâ model of lead playing until year number 20âŠ. 20 years of wasted time on âscalesâ ⊠anyone interested in lead playing, should 100% listen to this video because it is, in my opinion, the ONLY true way to learn âleadâ guitar. Learn by chord embellishing⊠dump the scales. Rock on đ€đ»
Some of the most popular guitar teacher type youtubers now are: Rick Beato, Tyler Larson, Paul Davids, and Adam Neely. For sure, they are great. But David Wallimann often provides a different perspective and definitely has an incredible ability to reveal and unlock guitar secrets.
@@WestCoastSwinger No doubt⊠his ideas and methods are solid. I related to his channel and his content instantly⊠since we use very similar approaches to playing guitar. The others you mentioned are awesome as well⊠kids today have such an advantage over how we learned in the 1980âs using tape players and constant play/rewind buttons lol
Thank you so much guys, it means a lot!
Hey David,
I've been following you for a long time (like, parker era). Anyway, I've always found your way of teaching and approaching music and music theory super intuitive and on point. And even though there are sometimes longer breaks in which I don't watch your videos regularly (mostly because the hobby comes and goes in cycles), I always come back! Keep up the great content!
Great Lesson Dave, Enjoyed thisđ€Ș
It was so refreshing for you to
Bring attention to this subject
Being a soloist on cruise ships I always played melody within the chord progressions....
Soooo many options without moving
neck position...and of course playing with fingers rather than a pick will improve your off camber strokes..
Good stuff Dave,,,. 50+ years of playing professionaly... And muscle memory is your best friend...
Cheers!!!
I've been playing guitar for about 15 years. I never got hung up on the whole lead v rhythm thing. Guitar is guitar.
honestly growing up learning guitar the bands that made me realise how hard and fun rhythm guitar could be were bands like the fall of troy and dance Gavin dance. they essentially fused lead and rhythm guitar but made it all rhythmic so it strengthened my timing which is crucial to sounding professional and clean in your playing.
I must comment and say David you are very perceptive, your insights are enlightening. Bravo!
you are the best david at what you are doing thank you so much for sharing what you know so well.
Man wish I could super like this. Help made a lot of connections
Love your videos dude
I learned a lot of things at once because I originally started just play along with songs I liked. I had no concept of lead, rhythm, notes, scales, chords. I didnât realize until later how much I knew I just didnât know the names for it all. I basically took what I knew from songs and them playing around with them on different parts of the neck in different orders. I knew there were different musicians doing different things and I would learn each part. Iâm almost 30 and I didnât start delving into theory and song structures/styles until a few years ago. Iâve been playing off and on for 16 years. It wasnât really until I had some life experience that I wanted to learn how to express myself and want to learn ways to do that without going at it completely blind. I wanted to have that extra knowledge so I could get an idea of the sound I wanted to go for so each time I picked up my instruments, it didnât want it to be a scientist experiment. I wanted to just know what to play and where to play it, and what will sound good together.
Thank you for your honesty
Subscribed. Excellent content !!!
Great video. Thanks man
Brilliant Video David! Your suggestions are always on point. I am almost done with Guitar Infusion, its only taken a couple years due to my schedule, but I have improved tremendously with that course, Iâm ready for the next one. Thank you for everything you do, and the wonderful music you make. Play well!
Thanks! That help alot!
I have always been drawn to bands with a single guitarist, Hendrix and Clapton in Cream being the main two, I started playing drums and always wanted just a single guitarist bassist and singer, and when I started playing guitar myself I was always drawn to be the only guitarist, I think it's really helped how I play.
Fantastic video
I was a rhythm guitarist who learned lead as a necessity but as I did, I tried to stay within my technical limitations and find my way to blend all that and be just a part of the band, more than anything else. If you do your part you get your moments to shine anyway. Victor Wooten says (I'm paraphrasing here) that the job of the rhythm players is to make the singer and feature instrumentalist(s) sound better and to support the music like the foundation of a building. Props here to brothers Dean and Robert DeLeo of STP, for example. Between them they have seemless flow and interplay which is totally in service to the song and the singer, doing the job of a bigger band that would otherwise need a second 'rhythm' guitarist, or a keyboardist or maybe horns (Chicago, etc.). In no case are they doing anything to outdo or speak over the vocalist or stand out above the song.
It took me a few years to be "fluent" in leqd guitar. But the dufferent flavours of rythm i'm still learning.
Funk, fingerpicking styles, downstrokes, groove, so much to learn and keeing it steady for the whole song is really harder than it looks.
Jimis is the perfect example of rhythms complexity and capabilties, I can cover a solo on my channel on a weekly basis easily, however a rhythm song can take me months to get down
"little wing" is life changing mmmmmm chord embellishment Hendrix genius. SRV also hit it out of the park in an almost spiritual way
this video is such a trip because the entire thing exactly describes my own experience and process for this topic
I too am at this same place, after 50+ years of playing. I've been checking in with David off and on for the past 4 years or so, and tonight this new series he is on just electrified my understanding of where I am and where I am going. I came up always well known as a solid unique rhythm player, but I kept a firewall between the rhythm sections of the tune and the "lead" sections. My rhythm technique was a rudimentary level of where and what David is at and on about here, but it was enough of an edge to make me a standout.
I have for the last year or so been tearing down the firewall, and just playing the SONG, without "lead" and "rhythm" parts. Discovering Tommy Emmanuel was like being struck by lightning, and it all fused. David, I am walking the exact same path now that you are laying out in this most excellent recent set of videos, and you have struck me by lighting again, in explaining what I've been feeling and reaching for subconciously. Thank you for that, this is fan-freaking-tastic!! Cheers, brother!
@@jeffcharles5858 nice! I'm 18 and started playing in 2020. Tons of free time and the internet has kinda skyrocketed my guitar skills, but I only just found this dude a few days ago. Its always inspiring to hear come-up stories that sound like your own. Another guy I look up to for the same reason is Tom Morello, because he started playing in his late teens and worked hard to grow very quickly.
The Goat Jimi Hendrix and I would say playing the guitar is more so about expressing yourself and what you can come up with. Just like doing a off the dome freestyle in the hip hop world.
Check out Rory Gallagher as well for anyone interested in fluid rhythm to lead playing as an only guitarist in a band as well, true god level skills!
Definitely, heâs so overlooked
So many subtleties to rhythm chops. What to leave in, what to leave out- in other words the notes you don't play, or the power of the rest or 'silent note.' All within the framework of the rhythm. Play around the beat instead of on it, maybe. Drummers do this a lot to drive the band ahead or restrain them when everybody wants to get faster and louder. As a rhythm player you're more of a percussionist. Don't leave all that responsibility to the drummer alone. Drag it or push it and see what happens. Sometimes the drummer responds to that as if to say, "Right, that's what I'm hearing too." That little shift surprises the audience and keeps it interesting. Also, quit making the tonic the first note you play or the anchor for your rhythm chord. Invert it somehow or go to another position that gives the lead player more sonic elbow room. Join the bass player in a lower register or a harmony. Leave something out rather than always trying to add something complex or squeeze more notes into the space. Most of our listeners are not musicians.
Awesome vid
I had almost the same exact progression of learning guitar.
I'm so backwards. I didn't take lessons but wanted to play the intro to Crazy on You by Heart. I had a Guitar mag with a transcription and spent two years getting it right. I still did not know how to play a chord at the end of those two years.
Hi David,
Do you plan to release a rythm course on guitarplayback?
It would be very interesting for people like me who followed your improvisations courses (guitarinfusion) but have trouble with playing rythm guitar during jam sessions.
Or should I learn a lot of songs to improve my rythm? What do you think? Thanks a lot.
Donât know if you have ever heard of him, but check out Wilko Johnson from Dr search CZcams for Roxettte, The BBC performance from the 70s showcases his pretty unique approach to lead and rhythm playing along with great stage presence.
It cracks me up when I see people talk about so and so guitarist not being great because theyâre âonlyâ a rhythm guitarist and Iâm like⊠bruh, coordinating one or more chord changes per bar while shifting your strumming pattern every few bars while keeping *perfect* time is hugely difficult. For lead thereâs a lot of room to fudge up the timing where nobody will notice, but fall off beat as a rhythm guitarist and people start throwing things at you.
It gives me a huge appreciation for people like James Hetfield who can do this at insane speeds while singing, or Eddie Van Halen who could seamlessly dance between rhythm and lead to the point that it all just blurs together (I mean EVHâs live playing, he had separate lead and rhythm tracks for studio recordings).
Doc Watsonâs Deep River Blues is the same idea. He took two different guitarist versions of the song and combined them to get that effect. It took him ten years to be able to. Chet Atkins did it a lot.
I starting doing this with hybrid picking simply out of getting bored layering guitars on recordings. Learning âTimeâ by Pink Floyd and of course âYellow Ledbetterâ were my Aha! moments.
Learned to dial it back by singing and playing. This gave me some ideas to think about, tho.
Jimi Hendrix told Mike Bloomfield that he was going to England to burn Eric Clapton as rhythm guitar player.That was one of the reason why he went to England with Chas Chandler in 1966.
I love all the two guitar bands, such as the ones you named. But Iâve always felt like the bands with a lone guitar player, had more interesting guitar work. Jimi, white zombie, sabbath, Stevie, Etc.I think itâs because they had to basically carry the burden so to speak, of entertaining with only one guitar. So they had the type of guitar playing youâre demonstrating here. I personally played alone a lot growing up so my style naturally runs along this latter vein. Keep up the good work my man.
this man got great memory, he exactly remembers how he played around with his guitar like what, 20 years ago? maybe more? dayum...
Haha! That or he just kind of makes up stories to make his videos a bit more interestingâŠ
@@Wallimann huh, what a strange idea, its like using some wiggle room in a story to make it more interesting to tell... you could call it artistic liberties maybe... never thought of it before... đ€
some reassurance from someone that has walked the walk is always welcome along the way. Thank you so much for your wisdom, warmth and sensibility, David!
Thank you so much for that super thanks man!! Means a lot!!
âAn angel came down form heaven yesterday. She came just in time to rescue meâ Hendrix was an amazing songwriter, too.
His songwriting gets overshadowed by this talent with the guitar. I agree with you.
And singer.
Everybody knows that Jimi was a great lead guitarist. Yet, I found his rhythm playing very intriguing.
Jimi had his own timing lol
I found routing the cords with thumb is a huge step forward
I play in a covers band, my rhythm guitar playing has always been tight, but chords are chords right? Well then the lead guitarist left and after being messed around with time wasters, I went through the set list and picked out what I knew would be a challenge but what I could do with practice and getting out of my comfort zone. It's been an eye opener, well an ear opener. You already know the rhythm as that's your bread butter, it's the patterns and where you put your fingers. You'll get there
You should check out the rythms of Lee mavers of the LA's. His rythms are inventive, bespoke and brilliant.
Prince also great at rythm
can somebody tell me what that guitar in that first clip was? the one where it was scalloped on the bottom half of the board and the rest was fretless? that looks insane lmao
I want that transcription
Playing your own melodies over others pieces is playing by your style and rythm, never copy if you dont wanna forget the sense of your nerves which is your rythm. I dont know any good guitarist that sounded good copying another guitarist , covers of good guitarist always sound different, keeping their own place in sense of time, making themself ...unique
Ever heard of Robert Johnson? Bob Dylan (in his very early years)? Michael Nesmith (but only sometimes)?
Care to share the Jimi sound setup? Strat + ?
10:18 I think this will help U2 too...
I read a quora article saying that youâre gonna play rhythm most of the time on guitar and they where right
What the heck is that guitar at 0:36? Seems to be a fretless but with frets only for the high notes?
Rhythm is everything. Lead guitar is like that sprig of parsley on your plate, next to the Porterhouse Steak, at the Ruthâs Chris Steakhouse. Itâs nice, and you might even eat it, but itâs not the main course.
another example of a guitar player that sings both lead and rythm at the same time is brian may! learning guitar i always wanted to play queen songs, but i found out it was more difficult than scorpions lets say
Misha Mansoor does this especially well, IMHO. He doesn't get enough credit for it, really.
O lord, that crying kid at 8:13 after 'jazzy chords' really cracked me up!
All the best!
Sir, you may have just prevented me from using a band saw(pun?)on my guitar.
Hendrix, is there any time he will NOT teach us how? Thank you.
Rhythm and bass are my jam. I like being a structural element more than the main performer.
Angus Young wouldn't be the beast if he didn't have his brother Malcolm holding down the rythmn guitar. Mal does a kick-ass job.
I regretfully say that the first thing I learned was not chords. I Picked up Metallica guitar tab books would skip all the rhythm parts and go straight to the solos. I absolutely sucked at guitar for the 1st few years đđ€Šââïž.
Double stops?
If Shred is considered highly technical playing... it's mainly lead playing... there is no rhythmic shredding, I mean not in what we think of shredding.
If you want technical rhythmic playing, it is out there, but is somehow less valued...
Rhythm is very important but shredding seems almost counterintuitive to that because it's often about filling as much space as possible with as many notes as you can... rhythm has to allow distinct subdivisions to make passages make sense so it's not just one continuous flow of musical ideas like nonstop talking/rapping... some people may find that impressive but it's not what makes for good music
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Awesome vid, I learned a lot! Also noticed on your keyboard at czcams.com/video/LxtH6pUm1YE/video.html your C1, A, and C2 keys are yellow. Are they marked for a reason? I guess it's the major and relative minor
Thank you man!
Those yellow keys are just stains. Iâm not sure why but the plastic just didnât age for your wellâŠ
@@Wallimann kinda interesting they must be your most used keys then
In order to be a great lead, you have to be great at rhythm đž
Amen!
Of course rhythm guitar is tougher than lead. Lead is one note at a time. In rhythm guitar not only does the rhythm have to be right, but fingering chords on guitar is very difficult to do once you go beyond simple major and minor chords.
Doing this on piano as well is a lot of work to learn, but physically making the chord happen is just much easier. Many useful and interesting chords are just too tough to play on guitar, but quite doable on piano.
God i did the EXACT SAME thing. Jumped the gun to little wing.
*Johnny Marr has entered the chat*
Did Jimi Hendrix conciously know music theory or was it all playing by ear? Self-taught? Thanks
He knew a bit, but no amount of theory would make a good player a good player.
Jimi was greatđnow check Marcin Patrzalekđđdont need drummer .This boy its amazing .
A lot of traditional jazz musicians play like this.
You basically discover how John Frusciante plays. Which it's awesome.
Guitar learning ruts really suck.
All playing itâs rhythmic and soloist.. do the progression or chords on the bottom of a song itâs back tracking!
Ok it is definitely NOT impossible to know all the chords. Just ask Guitar George
Haha!! Yeah but he doesnât make it cry or singâŠ
everyone in this comment section, go and check out Bireli Lagrene!
Best rhythm player I know
Im Horrible at memorizing cord progressions
This is why guitar players should play with DRUMMERS! All of this "why" about rhythm becomes plain as day when shit doesn't make anyone dance. Ringo calls it the "boom-chick". Finding that beat and accenting with the right amount of umpf makes things 3D opposed to linear. To be honest, being able to a keep a beat is far more important than the classical theory if you want to entertain people.
rhythm or lead or expressionist
I've seen Aerosmith 3 times, and each time, Joe Perry and Brad Whitford split the solos 50/50. It burns me up that Joe gets all the credit. Brad is a monster lead player and should be recognized as such. Please adjust your paradigm.