If MVPs Were Given to the BEST Player… (2000s)
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- The NBA gives it MVP awards to players who meet certain criterias... but what if the MVP was just given to the best player? We're looking at who would win it in those cases from the 2000s.
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Who’s a player who deserves more MVPs than he has?
Kobe
Kobe
He was robbed in 2003 and 2006
Lebron No Doubt
Wade
It’s funny, because Kobe “gets” half of the 2000s MVP awards, but loses the one he actually wins.
The only reason why he won that one is because he didn’t win any before 2008 I’m a fan of Kobe but cp3 deserve mvp that year.
@@Nooblet92Ca I really need to look at CP3's stats that season. A lot of people say he was something else that year. Had they given Kobe more mvps like they should have, CP3 probably wins that mvp, but by that time they realized Kobe had yet to win an mvp award.
OMNISAIYANGOD9000 OMNISAIYANGOD9000 yeah I think that was the main problem. Kobe at that point in his career didn’t have a mvp was criminal.
He should have 0.
@@Nooblet92Ca but anyway, Chris Paul had 21 points, Kobe 28 which is different. If they were close with points, if Chris Paul had 25 or 24, he would definitely be the MVP that season, but 28 is much more than 21 and also Kobe played finals so for me that year he was the best.
kobe deserved more than 1 mvp
No doubt. Deserved it in 2003 and 2006
for a fact, Lebron deserves more than he has also
100%
Ziad Eissa and Kobe averaged 35, 5 and 5 while making 1st team all NBA and first team all defense
MomJessicaandJordan Richardson Nah Duncan deserved it more in 03, he even carried his team to the title that year. His defense was underrated, he honestly should’ve won a defensive player of the year Award that year.
This list is completely rigged. Not one mention of Brian Scalabrine at all!!!
Well his moves are now forbidden in most countries so mentioning him could cause demonetisation, dudes 360 full courts step back dunk is literally considered murder in asia now .white mamba still da goat
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If they included him, he would win everything.
He won the MVP for the millennial
Lol 😂😂
It feels so wrong the fact that Kobe only had 1 mvp in his entire career
Fax
@@brandonw6139 on my opinion he should have got 1 more which was in 2003. Cant think of any more years where he deserved mvp. Nash deserved it in 06
i love me some Kobe, but come on .. Jordan he is not
@@tj5180 also fax
Rings>MVP
Curry was the last person to win MVP and the Ring. MVP is not that important especially since it is announced during the playoffs unless you win the Ship.
Usually when we talk about the greats we don't even mention MVP.
When you realize that Steve Nash have more MVPs than Kobe, Shaq, KD, Hakeem, Isiah Thomas, KG, Dirk, Russ, Harden, CP3, Iverson, Barkley, D-Wade, D-Rose, ... and had same number of MVPs as Curry, Duncan, and Karl Malone
so crazy, I guess he deserves one but definitely not back to back, one of his MVP's definitely belong to Shaq or Kobe
@@inthepaint2907 first is ok, but i would give to Shaq and in 2006 i would give it to Dirk, i think that he deserves it more, and also honorable mention is Kobe
@@chanendlerbong 100% agree with you
@@inthepaint2907 So which one did he deserve?
Pre Law I wouldn’t truly say he deserves either I would say both years there was someone better that should’ve gotten it, but i’m ok with him winning it in 2005
This whole list is facts, you should do a series for the major awards like this, for the modern eras, I would watch the hell out of that
I like this idea.
True.
Second this
yep
yeah do the playoff as well
The case for Nash in 05 is that the Suns jumped from 29 wins to 62 wins when he joined the team. That is a pretty amazing turnaround. He didn't score a whole lot but he led the league in assists and the Suns had the best offense in the league and he was a main reason why. Playmakers usually get overlooked in favor of big scorers.
In my opinion mvp isn’t the person with the best stats, or the best player on the best team. It’s the player who most significantly impacts his team. Like for Nash, he deserved the first one(not the second) cause he turned a 29 win team into a 62 win team. That’s crazy. And there was years CP3 for sure deserved one, same with Kobe deserving more and other greats like Wade.
Exactly. Finally someone with basketball knowledge
@@jasonmoukala8909 MVP should be synonymous with not a most offensively efficient player, but the most indispensable player to his team
@@Defender78 big facts
Bro that's actually funny, because me and my friend just the other day were talking about how there should be 2 awards. The actual most valuable player, and the best season.
Nah
Most Valuable and Most Outstanding. I could get behind that.
@@mrbean3470 Great Idea :)
It would be be Fair, they did it for the bubble this year.
@@mrbean3470 Nah. Most Outstanding would become a consolation prize, like MIP.
i think wade 08-09 season is arguable the best season in history that hadn't won the MVP award
Maybe modern history. I think Wilt in 1962 has a firm grasp on that one
Jonny Arnett no one and I repeat. No one gives a shit abt the 60s
Daniel Khan if you know anything about basketball then you do
ctrlaltbean lol how does my basketball IQ correlate to my knowledge of what was happening in the 60s. The NBA pre 80s was all plumbers and mechanics. Before u go claiming all these players are legends and what not, I want u to go look at games from the 70s and 60s. Pure comedy.
ctrlaltbean ya I get the league wasn’t developed baxk then but my reason for my initial comment was because he said wilt had the best season w no MVP when it is clearly Kobe in 06. Wilts numbers don’t matter when his opponents were sorry and the league was garbage back then
Shaq gets more MVP’s, Kobe Gets several MVP’s, And CP3 gets Recognition... I like it.
As a Spurs fan I always went by who I was most afraid of when they had the ball. That was Shaq during his years and a Kobe during his. And Nash certainly when he won MVP. Dirk was a close second at this time. But Steve Nash made so many things possible when he was dribbling around the court - whether it was on the open floor or in a half court setting.
I'm just loving how kobe gets 3 mvps in the vid. Always felt he deserved 2 or 3
Andrew Quale i think kobe should have 2 mvps but problem was that his team was struggling
He should've won at least 5-6 MVPS
@@GL_FAB that is a lot of cap
GL Cummings not 5-6. 4 would be realisic for one of the greatest 🐐
I still think Kobe deserves 2009 mvp Lebron. 2009 Kobe was at his peak in terms of skill and ball IQ
Do This in other era's. I bet LeBron nearly runs the 2010's. Jordan the king of the 90's. The eighties will be very interesting.
and 80s
I'd bet Isiah comes out as extremely underrated
My 1990s list:
1990: Actual MVP: Magic; Real MVP: Jordan
1991: Actual MVP: Jordan; Real MVP: Same
1992: Actual MVP: Jordan; Real MVP: Same
1993: Actual MVP: Barkley; Real MVP: Jordan
1994: Actual MVP: Hakeem; Real MVP: Same
1995: Actual MVP: Robinson; Real MVP: Shaq
1996: Actual MVP: Jordan; Real MVP: Same
1997: Actual MVP: Malone; Real MVP: Jordan
1998: Actual MVP: Jordan; Real MVP: Same
1999: Actual MVP: Malone; Real MVP: Mourning
Lol the 60s would be literally all Wilt
2010: LeBron 2011: LeBron 2012: LeBron 2013: LeBron 2014: LeBron 2015: LeBron 2016: LeBron 2017: LeBron 2018: LeBron 2019: Giannis 2020: LeBron
It's a shame that D-wade doesn't have any mvp awards. 2006-2009 he was an absolute monster.
Shaq or flash should have won in 2004-05 SMH
He was still amazing in his first 1-2 years with Lebron.
@@ernestboykin3rd706 KG lead all advanced stats that season
Wade not once was better than Kobe. Wade has no argument for MVP.
@@Hoopr32 in 09 wade had a better argument than Kobe for mvp BUT IT DIDNT MATTER WHO WON THAT ARGUMENT lebron is easily mvp in 09 and neither would have an argument so doesn’t matter at all. Lebron more wins and more stats than both only thing dwade beats him is scoring but by that logic lebron should’ve won mvp in 08 so it proves scoring doesn’t = mvp
0:52 1961-62 season (80 games):
Wilt = 50.4 ppg (.506 fg%), 25.7 rpg, 2.4 apg, 49W, 100 points in a game
Oscar = 30.8 ppg (.478 fg%), 12.5 rpg, 11.4 apg, 43W, first triple-double average
Russell = 18.9 ppg (.457 fg%), 23.6 rpg, 4.5 apg, 60W, MVP
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98 percent of those rebounds were state padded so they don’t count.
@@sussy8740 Lowering the rebounds doesn't change the point about Bill getting the MVP.
Absolutely 1000% correct on Chris Paul. I remembered being upset at the time that he didn't win MVP.
I remember as a Lakers fan feeling happy to see Kobe get his MVP, but really felt like he deserved it more 2 years earlier tbh
Advanced stats weren't nearly popular enough at that time to give Chris Paul traction. Back in the day, John Hollinger wrote on ESPN how Paul's efficiency was historically great for a young point guard, but MVP voters were more interested in traditional stats and wins/losses to see exactly how good Paul was that year.
I think if Kobe already had a handful of MVP awards then CP3 would've won MVP that year, but the media story of that season was that Kobe led the Lakers to their first ever 1-seed post-Shaq and Kobe hadn't won an MVP yet.
@@jonnyarnett Kobe sealed that MVP win in 2008 in the matchup vs Chris Paul's Hornets that season.
Kobe's dominance in THAT game was what sealed the MVP for him vs CP3. Had CP3 dominated that game instead, he would have likely won the MVP. But when the lights were on, Kobe showed he was the superior player, and thus won the MVP.
In 2008, despite what Chris Paul did for his team, Kobe was still a better player than him, as stats never tell the entire story. It's why Kobe won it in 2008, and why when they matched up with MVP basically on the line in the eyes of the pundits, Kobe dominated.
@@jonnyarnett nah he should have 0.
@@carrastealth Hornets were 16th in power ranking they went to be the 3rd best team in the NBA carried by cp3. He impacted the Hornets so damn much.
I’m guessing the 2010s is basically 90% lebron James?
2 Hardens, 1 Curry, 1 Giannis, 1 KD, the rest Brons
Crow Mythic drose deserved his
Well KD curry Russ and Harden all prob still win their MVPs
@@MineShackle I think a kobe might replace one of the Lebrons
Personally I'd say Giannis'19, Curry'16, Durant'14 and maybe Curry '15.
If we including postseason all but 2019 would go to LeBron.
This video series is great. I've been bingeing them a lot lately. Thank you.
This series definitely needs to happen! Great work - as always!
This was a great video wish it was longer.
Would like to see one from the 80's 90's and 2010's
Newton: *discovers gravity*
Cosgrove: "and he looses that one to Kobe Bryant."
This is an insanely thought-out video. Would definitely watch a series of this.
Putting up big numbers on a bad team is actually even harder because when there’s less threats the defense can key on you. There’s an argument that being on a good team should make you less deserving because everything is easier with talent around you.
Crazy how Dirk led the Mavs to 60 wins in 2006 and 67 wins in 2007 as THE ONLY STAR ON THE TEAM, but you didn't give him either of the MVPs just cause Kobe had "better" stats.
This is why everyone takes in consideration team succes when choosing who is the MVP, DPOY and even who is the best player in the league.
People saying Kobe got robbed of MVPs are the same people that say Steve Nash deserves 0 MVPs.
Let's be honest, Kobe fans really hate Steve Nash passionately, and if there IS a Kobe fan who likes him, they're rare.
@@toystory4ever95 true. Nash is the Anti-Kobe, a very selfless player who is beloved by many when everyone wanted another Mike who's a supposed selfish tough guy and who had a killer instinct.
@@lebrow6290 You do know that the MVP is a regular season award, right?
@@lebrow6290 Except that MVP is a REGULAR SEASON award, smart guy!
@@lebrow6290 So because he never won a championship, he shouldn't be consider great? No one even overrated his success as a player. No one has ever said he was greater than everybody in the NBA, nor blew his skills out of proportion like a fanboy. The Finals is irrelevant when talking about the MVP trophy.
Great content, would have love to see the 50s,60s and 70s decade, as I would have love others to see the likes of Oscar Robertson that average triple double,wilt scoring 50ppg but still losing the MVP award.
Great content man!
For a player like Kobe, a all time great, it is hard to believe that he has only won 1 regular season mvp award......You should definitely do more videos like this for other decades too
They need to put players back in charge of MVP voting. The notion that the press are somehow less biased stewards of player evaluation than the players themselves has been thoroughly empirically refuted. If there's going to be an example of certain players getting blackballed, the media can report on that, as can the players themselves using social media.
Also, I absolutely agree that defense gets the short shrift in MVP voting and the overall estimation of players and their value/impact. Yes, the MVP should be the most elite player when accounting for their impact on both sides of the ball.
I disagree players are very bias as i have seen alot of players saying lebron mvp over Giannis this season cause hes in his 17th year
@@mr.harambe2658 So? We get the same idiocy from members of the press.
Look at what happened to rick Barry he led a terrible team to a nba championship while being easily the best player in regular season but nobody liked him for good reason so the players voted against him
@@mr.harambe2658 the press is by far more biased. They were the ones pushing the narrative for lebron being mvp over giannis. If anything AD had a better regular season than lebron.
Players voting is how Bill Russell got 5 MVPs including Wilt's 50PPG so no. Players voting would have union guys like Chris Paul getting multiple MVPs.
Great video! One suggestion you should've put in a slide at the end of the video where you recap who won the award in one column and who you would've given it to in the other column.
Great thinking, Lorenzo! I should have thought of that. If I do videos on other decades, I'll do that :)
@@jonnyarnett you should definitely do vids on other decades this was great
Fantastic Video topic. Would definitely enjoy more eras discussed with different NBA award categories. This is the Beginning of something Amazing.
In this list specifically, I would put Wade over Lebron. The first team all defense argument is good, but them both being in different positions in terms of the selection (G, F, C) could be a loophole and give some leeway for Wade, considering he lead James in steals, blocks (James lead in DWS and +/-, tho). The PER is not as solid either. It was extremely close. Their assist-to-turnover ratio is nearly identical, and they both had above-average True Shooting. In reality, Bron takes it and I'm just trying to defend Wade. Still, it's far closer than it seems. Great video and great facts.
Nash over Kobe in 2006 was the most egregious, IMO. The rest of the choices I'm not that bothered by how they played out. Shaq probably deserved a 2nd MVP and Kobe definitely did.
Shaq should have won his first MVP in 1995, IMO
Nash over LeBron* Kobe didn’t win enough that year
@@jonjuko8859, Kobe carrying his team in the loaded west was the story of that year besides the horribly officiated finals. Averaged 35+ a game, the 81 point game, 62 in 3 quarters vs the Mavs... Almost knocked off the Suns with next to no help.
John Stickney doesn’t matter, MVP isn’t fair like that. You need to win games, he wasn’t top 3 in voting for a reason
@@jonjuko8859, Westbrook in 2017? Moses Malone in the 80s with the Rockets?
I will cry myself to sleep every night until this becomes a series.
Man, good job on these videos. And this was the perfect decade to do this list on. Im subbed for sure👍
This is a very interesting video concept. How about make a video about who was the best player, but with postseason? Sort of combine the mvp and fmvp awards
cool idea bro, maybe we'll do that
It tough because Psotseason and regular season are like 2 different games.
the best player on the best team and the best player regular season that's two different worlds. champions vs super stars. super star champion.
I whole heatedly believe that defense is extremely underated, so much so they had to give it its own award for it to get any recognition, and even then it is still underated. Boils my blood as I am an extremely defensive player in any sport I play(football, hockey, basketball)
Started following your channel love what your bringing to the table
Ur list was spot on i gotta subscribe
Stats are overrated. That's why Wilt isn't the unanimous GOAT. It's also why Westbrook will never win a Championship. Nash made about 6 guys have career highs ppg. Also, Iverson was 5'11" on a horrible team. He may be the P4P greatest.
I'm a defense guy, I loved the Ben Wallace Pistons, but basketball favors offense by quite a lot compared to other sports.
That's it exactly. People just look at the stats and don't see Nash's season as impressive. But you're absolutely right, everyone around Nash had career years, and to encapsulate that just as "assists" misses so much. Even advanced stats don't always tell the story. Fact is, Suns had one of the top offenses in the league, Stoudemire went down, and they kept going without missing a beat. That has to count for something, I'm not mad about Nash's awards
@@greywolf2155 And that's not to mention that he shot 50/40/90, he revolutions the style of basketball which most teams now play some version of. It was really impressive that he was able to push the tempo the way did, and although he had a fast, undersized team, he didn't rely solely on the fastbreak the way Magic's Lakers did, and instead was able to still push the tempo running set plays in that 7 seconds or less offense, which is extremely impressive, as even Magic lacked in this area.
He could also score when he needed to, which people tend to forget. He was more than capable of creating his own shot. And as far as his defense, he may not have been a great defender, but he was always willing step in and take a charge on a switch. In fact, he was one of the best at drawing charges in the entire league. I haven't checked the precious stats to back this up, but it's something that was no doubt true if you actually watched his games.
The impacted that horrible team immediately as soon as he got there. I guarantee you that without Nash they wouldn't have even made the playoffs, but he took them to a top seed. And I won't even get into how badly they got screwed by the refs the year they should have went to the finals.
@@augustgreig9420 Couldn't agree more
@@augustgreig9420 Finally, someone with logic. People tend to forget that the award is judged by how valuable a player is for their team, not about them being the best in the whole league.
Thank you
Idk about that 03 pick. I'd still say Duncan keeps his MVP. If anything his case is even stronger than his 02 case
I understand you favor guard play, but I can't take away from the Fundamental. Best Reg. Season and Post season of his career, with arguably his weakest cast.
No...he got it right. Kobe deserved to win it that year over Duncan.
@Eric Dupree, I think that Kobe's death is influencing opinions.
@@kyax1593 Definitely not. There's more to the game then just having the best stats to be called the best player. They also had the best record, like I mentioned with arguably his weakest cast. Lakers were a 5th Seed.
Train Gang defence.
Kg was better
These are very good. I'm a big Kobe guy, and hate that he got gypped on so many MVPS. IF not for media narratives, he should have at least 3 or 4. Also, its soooo true that people either forget or dont know how nasty CP3 was before his meniscus surgery. His stats were crazy, especially at the age.
He barely deserved the one he got
The Colorado case really hurt him
@@jasonmoukala8909bro you're a dork
I actually agree with everything, good video!
Your list is accurate as hell, congrats. This is who I think should've won the MVP in the 90s:
90-MJ
91-MJ
92-MJ
93-MJ. Barkley had a great season but MJ was the league leader in steals, league leader in scoring, better assist per game, and even Charles knew MJ was the better player that season.
94-Hakeem-No need to explain.
95-Hakeem-Average more points, steals, blocks, assist and same rebounds than Robinson.
96-MJ
97-MJ-More points, steals with almost the same blocks and assist than Malone, Karl only really had better rebounds per game than MJ.Plus the mailman doesn''t deliver on sundays LMFAO.
98-MJ
99-Shaq-More points, rebounds and blocks than Malone. Overall better player that year.
Conclusion: MJ should have won 8 MVPs in his career, Kobe and LeBron should have more MVPs and I honestly feel sorry for KARL and CHARLES. They only won because the media was tired of giving the MVP to MJ.
Robinson deserved his MVP over Hakeem. I know Hakeem killed him in the playoffs, but the MVP doesn't take playoffs into account, and peak Robinson was one of the most statistically efficient players ever. Robinson had a 29.1 to 26.0 advantage in PER, 10.7 to 5.1 in Offensive Win Shares, 6.7 to 5.6 in Defensive Win Shares, 6.0 to 2.8 in Offensive Box Plus/Minus, 3.2 to 2.6 in Defensive Box Plus/Minus, 8.7 to 5.4 in VORP, 120 to 110 in Offensive Rating, and 99 to 100 (lower is better ) in Defensive Rating. In less formula-driven stats, he had the higher FG%, TS%, higher offensive and total rebounding percentages, lower turnover rate, and the same block percentage. On top of that, the Spurs were 15 games ahead of Houston in the standings, and Robinson only sat out one game while Hakeem sat out 10.
Hakeem and his fans can be salty that Robinson won the MVP that year, but Robinson earned that regular-season award.
All Facts
Karl Malone deserved the 1998 MVP. He had a higher PER, WS, WS/48, BPM, and VORP. In terms of basic stats:
Malone: 27 - 10.5 - 4 - 53%fg
MJ: 28.5 - 6 - 3.5 - 47%fg
@@fifaelregala2610 I respectfully disagree. Pippen was out for a ton of games that season. Jordan's numbers were down but we're talking real time and what was witnessed not just stats which don't tell the full picture. Jordan was still the best in the world that year
@@N4divers I get what you're saying but the point of the video was to take out the narrative and look at it purely from a perspective of the better player that individual regular season. Imo the best way to look at that is to use basic and advanced stats to evaluate that season.
Nash wins the MVP award the first time and should keep in. They didn't change their lineup except for the addition of Nash from their previous year. The sun's had won less than 20 games that season. The first year Nash gets there they win over 50. No other team made a jump close to that. His numbers were very good and he emerged from the shadows of Dirk. This is why he deserved and won it.
I love this series will you be doing more of these John I'd love for you too and I wouldn't mind if it were older eras or more modern or even both.
I've watched all of these videos but I won't again after he stripped A.I. of his MVP. This man lead a team of average-below average players to the best record in their conference, lead the league in scoring and steals, won All-star MVP, played the most minutes, reached the Finals and some other accolades. I can't believe this dude.
he knows AI hating=thumbs up from the kobe nuthuggers, 100% AI deserved that MVP, the lakers had far too many pieces for shaq to be that relevant as MVP
GREAT video Johnny, you gotta turn this into a series bro do one for every decade of the NBA
Instead of "MVP given to BEST PLAYER" this video should be renamed to "Play with best regular season statistics"
Good point. Especially in these days of load management, the best player only produces as much as his team needs. That's why LeBron hasn't won an MVP award in ages, because he's ratchets his play down in the regular season, and then essentially outplays everyone in the playoffs.
That said, the MVP probably should go to the guy with the best regular season stats. You don't deserve credit for coasting unless coasting still leaves you as the best player in the league.
Or most valuable player in the regular season which is what the MVP is supposed to be.
Stats don't tell you the whole picture. Tim Duncan was never for the stats. Ask any real basketball fan who actually watched Duncan play over the years. The man would never go for stats. He would not get blocks, he would just make the other player alter his shots into a brick.
He did Iverson dirty. He carried a whole team to the finals, but I guess Shaq had better stats so no MVP for him
Would definitely like to see 10’s and 90s even 80s done. Another good video!
Definitely like this style of video as an idea for a series!
You should do this for every year since 1970. And let’s be honest the one we all want to see is the 2010s
Dirk deserved his mvp
He deserves it in both '06 and '07. He had a top 3 record in the league as the only star player on the team.
he deserved it in ‘05 cuz he put up great stats and we won a lot of games but the mavericks didnt finish with a high because of the division rules
If we're talking purely statistical on both defense and offense. No. But I agree, he deserves his mvp
@@Humble_808 you must be joking
From 2006 to 2008 every year Kobe should be MVP.
Just wanted to say love your vids keep up the good work
Continue this series, this is amazing
Cp3 was just different in New Orleans
Great vid! Would love to see some for other decades. Going off the top of my head without seeing any stats I feel like LeBron would run the 2010s aside from like 4 seasons (KDs, Curry's unanimous, Harden's, and Giannis)
I really loved this video, please do all decades ❤️
Shaq saying that Nash stole his mvp is ridiculous.
I think that in 2009 Wade was the best player in the league, plz dont @ me
I could maybe see that
Fair enough
Kobe. Even lebron back in 2009 said Kobe was the best player in the world
1. Kobe 2. LeBron 3. Wade 4. Dwight Howard in 2009. Did you watch the Western Conference Playoffs in 2009? Don't be stupid. Kobe was the best player in the league by far.
InThePaint czcams.com/video/Fv37ykpYk84/video.html
Do this for the 2010s 1980s and 1990s.
LeBron dragging that trash 09 Cavs team to 66 wins is probably the most impressive single season performance I have ever seen out of a player. Even moreso than Jordan in 88 or Shaq in 00.
Best content in long time💯
Along with the MVP award, the NBA should give an award to the best/most talented player in the league like the NHL does
Please do the 2010’s next video!
maybe we'll do it
Please make more videos like this bro 🔥🔥🔥
For the first time, I do not agree with the whole video of Arnett... but it is great to see it, and great to hear your opinion man... keep the outstanding work!
Thanks man! and I don't expect a single viewer to agree with me on everything, but thats part of the fun, is the discussing and debating part of it 👍 Appreciate you supporting my channel
@@jonnyarnett Absolutely brother!
Have you done anything on Tim Hardaway? Love your videos btw
Thank man! Not yet, but I would love to do a video about him eventually
The thing is the "best player" and the "most valuable player" are 2 completely different things. The MVP is based on the mentality/narrative that the one thing that really matters is winning a championship. With that in mind, one can understand why your team needs to make the playoffs in order to win MVP since you don't even have an opportunity to win a chip otherwise.
In this new brand of basketball that has developed during the 2010s, the one thing that matters most has moved to stat lines and advanced metrics.
I feel like the MVP will keep going to the player who, if you take him off his team, makes the difference between being a contender or not as it should in a league where the goal of playing all these games remains to win the championship.
Bottom line, the best player in the league isn't necessarily the most valuable to his team that year and that's how it is and has been in any league at any level if you value winning over stats.
Valuable is subjective, so MVP means something slightly different to every person. If baseball was judged like the NBA Mike Trout has no MVP's
@@kingRukus39 I completely agree. And Mike Trout is the best player in baseball in my eyes, but he isn't the most valuable player
The editing in these videos are so good
Keep it goin excellent list
Now I know you’re a Kobe fan. Dirk had better stats in some years and LeBron in others. Plus T Mac en 2003. I love Kobe but he was never the best player stat wise
You're forgetting the all defensive 1st team selections
And how the fck he just talked once about 2009 D Wade in the entire decade
Man Jason Kidd deserves that 02 MVP. The Nets improved 26 win over the previous season and he single handedly made that team turn from a joke into a championship contender. All in a year. You didn’t even mention his name when talking about the 02 MVP
This is a dope series
You should do more of these this was a great list
Iverson, Dirk, and Nash deserved their MVPs. Iverson was a beast, I'd take him over Kobe as a volume shooter.
Iverson should get the mvp in 04-05
@@user-fj3zx2qn5u no
@@user-fj3zx2qn5u stop capping. Iverson was a negative on defense. Not efficient enough
@@kingdinodragonite3470 most efficient scorerr after jordan if we are looking at fga vs fg% thats a fact, so i would take him over kobe for scoring, 4 scoring titles beats 2
This was pretty good. I think Wade deserves the 08-09 one, and Bron had an argument for 05-06, but this is pretty good. We need one for the 2010s
Great vids bro, could you please do an 80s mvp and 2010s mvp as well?
This is good content, follow up with 2010 - 2019
Awesome bro I just found the new video.
Random star duos that could of won it in early 2000s...like iverson and Shaq or Kobe n Duncan T Mac n Nash video would be dope
So including the 90s shaq is a 3 time mvp winning them all in a row, like he should have
Great concept. You should do it for the 90's and the 2010's
I absolutely love this series. Can you do the same for finals MVP? Or DPOY
Ok so you said that Allen Iverson didn’t impact the game on defense during his MVP season but he literally led the league in steals that season. And he was not an elite defender but he was a very good defender considering his height.
stealing is not defense ... its a felony,
I had to !
Steve Nash was insane in his prime, people who shit on him either didn't watch Nash or just love Kobe/Shaq.
Nash didn't rob anyone, he just dominated the league and earned his MVPs.
Nash is probably the most disrespected player by the fans. When someone state a legitimate argument on why Nash deserved at least one MVP, they'll struggle to use his flaws against him to make him seem worse than he actually is, such as blowing his failure to win a title way out of proportion.
disappointed to see no mention of tmac in 02-03. one of the most overlooked seasons in nba history imo
While it's clear this award shouldn't have gone to Kobe or Dirk, 08 MVP is still a coin flip between Paul and Lebron for me.
Lebron averaged 42% more PPG and 98% more RPG. To his credit, Paul averaged 61% more assists on 25% fewer turnovers, and 50% more steals. They both had almost identical FG%, and despite Paul's more impressive accolades, almost identical defensive win shares and defensive ratings.
This is one of those years I would have been happy for a co-MVP award - as long as it didn't go to Kobe.
Wade shoulda been 2009 MVP
I’ll argue that to the grave
Factz I strongly agree
SmurfENT1 How Lebron won 66 games in the same conference
Christian Ramirez Miami the season before when wade was injured set the worst record in NBA history at the time. He comes back and they make the playoffs showing how Valuable he was that year.
osvaldo garcia exactly 💯 nuff said
No way, he had similar stats but the Cavs won way more games and he LeBron also had the better advanced statistics
06-08 Kobe was something else....It's never really brought up
Because he didn’t really do shi* that had any impact on his team until Gasol got there. Those years he was pretty much Westbrook with less triple doubles.
Every time I have this feeling that they are gonna keep it or lose and my feelings were correct
This is probably my favorite youtube video that I've seen
MJ probably could've won 2 more than 5
eh maybe one more idk about 2 more
@@inthepaint2907 1997 and 1993
-_TheBestHoneyBun _- You think he deserved over Barkley and Malone?
@@roldschmidt I think Malone and Barkley definitely deserved the ones they got
@@-_thebesthoneybun_-5909 he won in 1998
Can you do another Iconic Moments Analyzed?
Sure! I haven't given that series some love in a while. I'll try to publish another one in the series within my next few videos.
Thank you. You deserve way more subscribers, honestly. You uploaded right on time. I love your videos, G.O.A.T.
Thanks man! That means a ton :)
This is a great vid man do some for the 2010s
Dope list. Need you to do the 80’s
Yep, working on the script right now 👍
this is a great idea, and a very interesting topic. with that said though.
01: Iverson was the best player because he didn't have another star that he was playing with. he led his team to the finals. He had to go up against Kobe and Shaw. if he had a star big man like let's say Tim Duncan, I can assure you that series goes much different. could argue, the lakers lose that series.
03: This could be one of Duncan's worst teams that he won the finals with, and he had great numbers. plus he proved that he was better by destroying shaq and Kobe in the playoffs.
05: the suns had the best record in the west. the wolves didn't even make the playoffs. I'm sorry but if damn near half the league makes the playoffs, and you can't make it in, something is wrong. please keep in mind, this isn't the superteam era. one superstar is enough to ATLEAST make the playoffs.
06: isn't this the year that Nash didn't have Amare for most of the season? and yet they were still the 2nd seed?
07: lol the same year Dirk led his team to 67 wins? that team overachieved that year. unfortunately for them they got destroyed in
the playoffs.
08: sadly this is the one year Kobe actually deserved the MVP. this is probably Kobe's most mature year as a leader and a overall basketball player. it showed, as they had the best record in the west.
going forward... when talking about an overall great player, I think we need to start using categories like leadership, and delegating responsibilities to other teammates. no nash wasn't a two way player, but clearly he didn't need to be. same with dirk, as the won 67 games in 06.
If forget where, but Larry Brown was asked what makes a superstar.... he answered, being able to make his teammates better. it's something kobe has rarely done, same with kg. that is why they weren't better those years. Kobe actually did it in 08, and it showed.
Overall great video though
Kobe was the best player in the league easily in 2001. Don't believe me? Shaq, the man who hated Kobe in 2001, admitted that in May 2001: books.google.com/books?id=EYdN-AOouJUC&pg=PA83&lpg=PA83&dq
@@thsu8 well its easy to be more productive when you're the 2nd option next to shaq. Once again, if Iverson had a player like Tim duncan, they may have actually beat the Lakers that year.
@@samueldukes4173 ok, what about 2009 when Kobe was still the best player in the league. Don't believe me? Listen to LeBron James: czcams.com/video/Fv37ykpYk84/video.html
@@samueldukes4173 You said "its easy to be more productive when you're the 2nd option next to shaq." Ok, then why did Penny Hardaway, who was first team All-NBA, get swept out of the playoffs two straight years in 1995 and 1996? You chose the wrong person to debate with, huh?
@@thsu8 idk because the magic player olajuwon in 95, and jordan in 96. Keep in mind that Duncan played a similar role as olajuwon. Duncan was the lone superstar on his team. Yet he beat the Lakers with shaq and Kobe in 99 and 03.
Probably should've been 04 as well if the Fisher shot didn't happen, but that's another story.
Lebron and Dirk had better 05-06 seasons than Kobe according to every advanced stat
Dirk had a better 06-07 season than Kobe according to every advanced stat
just saying
LeBron pretty much had better stats than any of these guys every single year since his sophomore year.
@@NicolasAlcalde yeah there are a couple of these I think could go other ways. these two are the years where I think they clearly got it wrong, and you can tell they avoided using the advanced stats for these two season
@@NoahBraun21
None of them made 1st team all defense.
Kobe did
35 ppg on 45% shooting and
1st team all nba defense
Got that Lakers team to the 7th seed
Yeah, he was the mvp
@@jordancole5671 crazy how PER, BPM, WS, and VORP all account for both defense and scoring and they all still said Kobe had worse seasons than Dirk and Lebron. almost as if Kobe's defense was overrated because of his reputation and his scoring numbers were inflated because he kept shooting despite low efficiency
@@NoahBraun21 Damn son !
Great video
I like this type of video. Could u do one for *Playoffs MVP"?
i honestly think you put waaaaay too much emphasis on numbers considering that in the title you put “best,” which usually has the focus on the analysis of skill
All of them are right though