If FINALS MVPs Were Given to the BEST Player… (1990s)
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- The NBA gives its Finals MVPs to players with a favorable narrative, and who are almost always on the winning team... but what if the award was given to the player who was simply the best player that series? This is the 1990s breakdown of just that.
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Of all Finals MVPs ever, which is the most impressive?
Magic 1980
Or jerry west
The sixth championship for the Bulls and Michael Jordan
either mj 91 or 93 , shaq 01
Jerry West
The more I watch videos about the 90's or Jordan specifically, the more I'm just dumbfounded by how good he was.
80's impress me more imo. His ability to absolutely destroy everything with barely any help was chamberlain like in the late 80s. When he got Pippen, he had less challenge and couldn't carry as much. Its the type of player that is funnier to watch solo carrying imo, like allen iverson. His athletism was godly in the late 80s, he was flying above everyone.
Or maybe it should open your eyes to how weak the 90s were
@@TinFamsThoughts Or maybe you are wrong.
Wait until Wilt Chamberlain shows up.
@@TinFamsThoughts umm patrick ewing karl malone john stockton Gary payton shaq penny charles barkley hakeem clyde the glide and many many more players you only think the 90s was weak because only 3 teams other than the bulls won the championship in that era
Imagine your worst series averaging 27? Damn
Lol absolute legend
Was gifted a lot of free throws.
@@alexfarias5156 I’ll have to agree especially on that last game.
27 ppg on 41% shooting, and 31% from a shortened 3 point line 🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕
@@Killer23TrZ Gary was hogging him
Am I the only One noticed That Every year MJ showed that he can do what the opposing super star can do too.... 11 apg against magic 7 3s against drexler and 8rpg vs barkley
It was the competitor in him. He wanted to outshine his opponents as much as he could.
That's true I missed that. I knew the Magic thing. I knew the Drexler thing. You missed me on the Barkley thing but he did score more than ever on that Suns team so in that way i always knew he outshined Barkley. I guess only 96 he didn't go ham. I'm not sure his steals in that series vs Payton but Payton, McMillan, Jordan and Pippen were beasts
Lol Jordan took it personal.
DREXLER PLAYED ALONE !! DONT EVER COMPARE WAGON JORDAN TO REAL GREAT PLAYER CLYDE WHO CARRY FRANCHISE TO 2 FINALS.
JORDAN ALONE NEVER SAW 2ND ROUND IN HIS LIFE AND LOST VS SOLID SIDNEY MONCRIEF AND SOLID BUCKS
@@wiltchamberlaingodofnba2072 sorry Drexler was not Jordan good ever. He was only comparable. And he wasn't alone. HOF teammates are largely established thru winning alot. It generates the fame part in hall of fame
Kemp was really something in the 90’s. His dunks were savage!
He was tmac before tmac and with more muscle, dude was a monster
@@hihihihihello I think a better comparison is Dominique Wilkins, but i agree.
@@gni389 Kemp was his own beast. Can't really compare someone to him. If anything, compare Blake to him
@@TheChosenMoose01 yup. It’s STAT and Blake. Both fruits from kemp’s tree. And all three suffered from injuries or off court stuff that ruined their primes.
put Kemp in the hall of fame already. long overdue
It's actually kind of a myth that Pippen guarded Magic most of the series. MJ actually guarded him most of the series after game 2. Pippen even said at the end of game 5 in the locker room interview, I'm paraphrasing, "Phil went back to Mike because he put more pressure on him." Just a little important note that people forget.
Interesting. My bad, and thanks for that. Didn't remember it. Admittedly, I need to go back and rewatch that series in its entirety, cuz that one has been a bit for me. If anything, your point strengthens Jordan's case in 91, but its not like he really needed it. haha.
Please stfu
And its exactly the same with Iggy in the 2015 FINAL. he was not the only one guarding Lebron. That was a team defense because lebron was the only scorer of the CAVS. Green defend on Lebron with klay. Basically most of Draymond block in the 2015 Final was against Lebron.
But. Iggy was the Final MVP.
Curry was the the leader if not the second leader of the warriors in almost all the statistics. But people said he choke.
Just like in that final magic % was incredible low when PIPEN defend in him.
And its exactly the same in the 1996 final.
If you look the stats. curry stats and % in the 2015 final is better than Jordan in the 1996 final but people said he choke. 🤦♂️
He was the leading scorer,steal,assist of the warriors. And one of the best rebounder.
So Many MJ's, it's crazy how much the Bulls dominated
*How much Jordan dominated
@@MrJamb0ree True, without Jordan, they would be like a first round exit.
@@TheMixedChannelNBA and without SCOTTY PIPEN, STEVE KEER,RODMAN and the other BULLS... jordan would be like a first round exit.
@@aob6671 True, they needed each other, and well, MJ Did make the Second Round without them, but lost to the Pistons tho
Why did you put Steve Kerr in there super replaceable
And Jordan won without and beat Rodman to win his championship your only valid player was Scottie
"Jordan put up a well rounded effort of 32/7/6"
Lmfao well rounded, more like he killed it
Yeah, Shawn Kemp was something else that year. And yes it just dawned on me that his stats in the 6-game finals are impressive considering that Dennis Rodman was the one defending him. Not only that, the Bulls starting 5 had 4 of the BEST DEFENDERS in the NBA during that season--Rodman, Pippen, Jordan and Harper. Just imagine how hard it was to score buckets versus a team like that. And Kemp averaged 23+ points and 10 rebs on 51% FG shooting in 6-games. Yeah, hindsight is 20/20, that was impressive.
Facts, Rodman and that lockdown lineup were of course the real MVPs but it's overlooked how Kemp and GP went off despite being that much overmatched.
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Thanks friend! I appreciate you all more than you know :)
Facts
1996 is Jordan. He was averaging 31, 5, and 5 with 2 steals a game in the first 3 games where they won all of them in 46/50/81 splits. Then he got the best perimeter defender at the guard position ever guard him the rest of the series. And the numbers for the complete series are still amazing considering Gary Payton guarded him for half the series and the team they went against was probably the best team Jordan ever saw in the Finals as the Sonics won 63 games that year. Shawn Kemp was good but he was so limited to the paint. And he also averaged 4 turnovers a game and led the Finals in turnovers. And for someone in Kemp's position to be forced to that many turnovers was very uncharacteristic at the time.
I feel like after 6 straight FMVP Keeps you felt pressure to give the award to Kemp. Seen the series live and was a Sonics fan at the time. You can't compare efficiency the way you did in that era between guards and PFs. Kemp shot everything around the rim.
Anyway, he was still better than Jordan
should've given it to rodman...
@@ezekwu wrong, it definitely isn't true. Rodman was great, Rodman was valuable for that Chicago team, but he was never the Finals MVP, Jordan was always the best player from Chicago and nobody wasn't even close.
It doesn’t really matter though, if one player is more valuable then you dont get penalised for position
I agree Jordan outscored kemp and kemp scored most of his points in the post
He is an video idea Carmelo vs Paul Pierce
Carmelo easy
I'm taking Pierce
@@_1luljayyy I wouldn't say easily. Remember, Paul Pierce was really good. A lot of people forget that because of the things he says nowadays.
@@FAlynn92 true
Good idea, I'd personally take pierce but not by much
If you didn't see '99 finals (or any other Spurs finals appearence) nonyou cannot understand how much valuable Tim Duncan was on defense. Maybe Rodman could be a tougher 1 vs. 1 defender but TD was a better defender overall. This seems to understimated because the Spurs were always a team focused organization, not a star player team. And despite this Tim averaged 27 ppg.
The only defender better than Duncan is prolly hakeem
dennis rodman was definelty harder to play against mentaly. He could get in the head of everyone.
I don't watch the spurs finals gamed because they could never win back to back (and because they basically almost every time not make it to the nba finals once they win it last year or make it to the nba finals last year if they didn't win it) and also in my opinion alright it's my opinion so don't scream at me please the spurs wouldn't have won the '99 nba finals if mj didn't retire and the bulls stayed together
I think Duncan was slightly better on defense than Hakeem while Hakeem was slightly better on offense.
@@jijmotorp3079 David Robinson was a better defender than Duncan. So was Ewing. Ben Wallace was close. Mutombo was better. Zo was better. And what?
The 96 Finals MVP is conflicting. MJ had pretty bad efficiency for his standards and Kemp out performed him on the defensive end but MJ still outscored him. Kemp also had more turnovers and less assists. It's definitely very close.
its not just defensive side, its also the rebounding and efficiency area because mjs efficiency compared to shawns was definitely a big margin. it was a 15% fg differential while kemp was better at the free throw. the 3pt wasnt that much of a differential compared to 15% fg especially when mj only hit 1 three a game. the rebounding differential takes care of the playmaking differential already plus the defensive gap. playmaking = mj but close, scoring = mj but close. efficiency easily shawn kemp, rebounding easily kemp, defense close but shawn kemp. efficiency differential> scoring, rebounding differential> assists and shawn kemps defense to get the edge over jordan
Bro I love it unique ideas ur one of a kind
One of a kind. Yes
Kemp was monster in 96 finals. He faced great defense and still put these numbers. Everyone who was runner up to Jordan put great numbers, bus Jordan put monter numbers.
I'm a Jordan fan from way back and it makes me laugh when I read the comments. "Gary Payton was a problem for Jordan!" this is because in the 96 finals his PPG went down from 30 to 27. This is a testament to how great he was for any other player this would've been an Epic series in the friggin finals!
Not sure if you know but Hersey Hawkins matched up with MJ for the first three games to rest Payton for offensive. This allowed MJ he averaged 31 points in those games. For games 4-6 George Karl finally let Payton check Jordan which lead to MJ average a career low 23 points for the following three games on lowered efficiency. Although they aren’t terrible numbers if Payton had guarded MJ the full series it would have caused major issues for him and the Chicago Bulls.
Don't forget Jordan shooting his worst field goal percentage in the finals against the Super Sonics
Look at the efficiency of those 27 points tho
His fg was really low for his standards tho
Thank you for putting some respect on Shawn Kemp's name
We forgot that the 96 Bulls was riddled with injuries and MJ had to do more especially in the defensive end. Harper, Pippen, Salley, Edwards etc were injured.. Also the rotational defense on MJ didn't help. At one game he only shot 4 attempts in the 4th quarter and concentrated more as a facilitator and defender - Pippen's role..
Yeh I think MJ was up against a lot more than Kemp. The Sonics had GP and Schremf and other shooters they tried to use. MJ was basically the only offensive force for the Bulls and he scored a large percentage of their PPG since both teams were so great defensively that the scores was very low.
The Reign Man should be in the hall of fame!!
Would be nice to make a video, arguing why he should be in it. 1990-1997 is a long enough sample. Most exciting PF ever, only player to outplay Mike in the finals, 6 All-Star, 3 All NBA second team, Dunk contest finalist, top 5 dunker of all time. It’s a bit similar to CWebb.
Nah. Didn’t play at that level long enough. Name alone isn’t getting u in. He doesn’t have the resume. If he gets in, so should stoudamire. Their careers were damn near identical. He has no MVps, no titles, not enough all nba or all def selections, never led the league in anything, only 6 allstar which is he biggest accomplishment besides making a finals. His numbers are average as well. Doubt he ever makes the hall great player, but longevity and production is the name of the game.
@@TheIcemanthomas he had 10 straight all star caliber years. he should be in
@@Rodzilla97 so did Elton brand. He’s not getting in. So did joe Johnson l. Antwaan Jamison has 20000 pts. Rasheed was a solid player for a long time.too. Blake Griffin has accomplished just as much as kemp as isn’t looked at the same way. It’s ok to love a player. But don’t be delusional..
@@TheIcemanthomas they didn't lead their teams to the NBA finals though. and i'd say Blake Griffin should get in anyway. possibly Joe Johnson at some point as well
You should do a video about how impressive Michael Jordan never losing a series while having home court advantage and being the only superstar player to ever accomplish that
Terrific tidbit. Thx 👍🏽
@@JStarNewYrk nothing terrible about that type of dominance
Easily Robert Horry for each one of his
Easy
Thats funny
He could of been the mvp of some games actually jokes aside
@Max Jacob Ishimwe oh now I see what kind of comment feed this is
Lavar ball is the goat
I appreciate all the research that went into this. Thank you for making quality content.
Do a “Shawn kemp is underrated video” please
I was never a fan of the Sonics and I don't like Payton, but they were really good and it's such a shame what happened to Kemp. He was an amazing player.
Unfortunately people remember the end of his career. He never really had an injury, he could have been 8-10 times all-star
@@loverboymr Very well said. And if Kemp would have avoided his off the court demons. He could have been playing like the Reignman until 35 or 36?
The Sonics (94) and Jazz (95) are two of the best teams ever that didn’t win the championship. That’s how good the Bulls and Joran were. Sonics won 64 and out scored opponents by about 8/game. They beat Jazz in 7…and the next year, Jazz got even better. 64 wins and out scored opponents by nearly 9/game!! Even 96 Jazz are among the best to not win championship- 62 wins and out scores others by 7/gm.
Kemp's best performance wasn't as good as Jordan's worst is basically what he's arguing.
uhh no? Hes arguing that it was better lol
Your videos are always good for real 💯
Jordan was still the 96 finals mvp as he was still the best performer in the series overall, even though his performance was not all time
You’re delusional
No. He was Finals MVP because Chicago won🤣Finals MVP always goes to the winning team, Jordan was the best player from Chicago and he won the MVP, but he wasn't the best player in thise series overall.
@@ZZ-ex8py really? statistically it is a slight lead for Kemp at best, plus the fact that Jordan put them in a hole in the first 3 games and the Bulls won the series 4-2 still comfortably stays in Jordan's hands.
@@thebasketballfan6248 u clearly didn’t get the point of the video….
@@ZZ-ex8py at the start of the video Jonny said that he won’t favour someone on the winning team and instead just give the FMVP to the best player. Jonny never mentioned that stats were the only part of it. Yes statistically it is a lead for Kemp, but winning games and having an impact on the series also determines the “best player”. Also if you are on a inferior team then you stats will be higher because you aren’t playing around high caliber players who use the ball. So the 4-2 win is pretty much a stat as well, and it diminishes any small lead that Kemp had statistically.
Damn, Olajuwon was sort of the Jordan of centers. Like, impossibly dominant. Being the only AStar on the team and winning it two straight times right in the heart of the 90s. And this era was the golden age of big men, and he dominated Ewing, then Robinson, then Shaq.
PLEASE DO A VIDEO ON:
(1) THE REAL DREAM TEAM 2
(2) SHAQ V. WILT
(3) HOW GOOD WAS ALONZO MOURNING ACTUALLY
(4) IF THE ABA MVP WAS GIVEN TO THE BEST PLAYER
Thanks for these videos!!!!
Great video! Thanks for using stats that get very overlooked
watching this really reminded me why Michael Jordan was the goat, I went back and watch game 1 in 1992 and it was literally the most excited I ever got when Jordan made all of those threes, one of my favorite moments as and nba fan and since I watched Jordan’s last shot like 100 times, this game might be my favorite Jordan game ever.
It's amazing that MJ's 27.3 ppg, .415 fg%, 4.2 apg, 3.0 tov in the '96 Finals is comparable to Kobe's Finals career average of 25.3 ppg, .412 fg%, 5.1 apg, 3.3 tov
The Sonics' general strategy throughout the series was to rotate different defenders on MJ every few minutes. Contrary to popular belief, GP was already included in the defensive rotation by Game 3, and directly caused more disruptions to MJ's best performance of the series (36 pts & 5 asts) than on the Father's Day clincher when MJ did well against GP as opposed to the other Sonics. However, GP deserves significant credit for setting the defensive tone in Game 4, while MJ bounced back in Game 5 despite the loss.
The way the Sonics and jazz would guard mj in those finals would’ve never been allowed today they were basically double and triple teaming him while handchecking and wrestling him in a way contrary to many the mid 90s till the early 2000s was the real defensive era not the 80s that’s why Jordan’s Fg% in the finals was low
@@Ali-on8dc MJ's age was also a factor.
@@jp3813 it was in a way but the level of defense played against mj when he came back till 98 was real defense that’s why jordan mainly shot the fadeaway cause it was damn near impossible to get to the rim for an easy layup or dunk like how it’s easy today. Jordan was averaging over 30 a game while shooting basically 50% for a career in an era where defense was actually played especially the mid 90s till 2004
@@jp3813 let’s not forget jordan was doing this at shooting guard as well this isn’t Lebron or Shaq playing bully ball and getting easy dunks or layups jordan was 6-6 200 pounds doing this in the most defensive and arguably the toughest era in nba history.
@@Ali-on8dc It was tough, alright. But I think MJ in his mid-20s would've nuked everyone on both ends of the court.
It was nice to watch. Thanks dude!
Arnett i love your channel my guy. You put up real info and separate your fandom from your history and research Big up yourself!
I've been waiting for this
Great Vid. A lot of people forget that before he was Shawn Klump he was simply, The Reign man.
Great video!!
The reason Jordan had a poor stats in 96 was cause his teammates wouldn't hit a fucking shot to save their lives so the Sonics just double and triple teamed Jordan every possession. You give Seattle's defense too much credit. Most of jordan's team mates were shooting like 10% from the field.
Looking at Jordan and Kemp's statistics side-by-side, I'd say MJ was still better; he definitely had better overall stats. Plus he was the more impactful one during the series. Although Kemp was still a brilliant runner up and a very under-appreciated player by many today.
Agreed, MJ still comes out on top by a bit unfortunately.
i agree, but just barely. reason i'd take MJ still is because he lead his team to the championship(so what he was doing was more impactful in winning), and he was being doubled more often(and scored more ppg). that said, Kemp certainly can be aruged as playing the best this series, and i think he should be in the hall of fame (along with KJ from the suns)
@@Rodzilla97 Yeah I very much agree with all that. I said MJ definitely had better stats overall, not that he was so ahead by far. And I especially agree that Kemp should be HoF.
@@AH-bm5xs Kemp. 23ppg, 10rpg, 3apg, 2spg, 2bpg. 55# shooting.
Michael. 27ppg, 5rpg, 4apg, 1spg, 41# shooting. I think that Jonny got it right.
@@ktapreswreckd921v9 it's a close one, but MJ's work got his team the win with Pipen struggling heavily on offense 15.7 ppg 34% yiiiiikes.... and MJ was doubled constantly so that lead to a lot of ball movement and open shots. i love Kemp numbers here though, especially that he dominated Rodman so badly. HOF!!
I'm glad the Reign Man gets more credit. He reminds me of Giannis (one of my favorite players today), an unstoppable atheltic power forward with flashy thunderous dunks. Looking at How Jordan's efficiency drops as he ages in the finals also shows that his prime was truly during the first 3peat.
Yes very sad no one remembers him in his prime. The 90’s had arguably the best PF and Kemp was always in the top especially the most exciting player. How he is not a hall of fame is crazy! Yes, he had inner demons, but he made us jump out of our seats. I wish Gary succeeded in talking sense into him. Stockton - Malone and Kemp-Payton.
@@loverboymr it’s not crazy at all. His resume isn’t great. He was great but not for very long. He fizzled out pretty quickly due to injuries, weight issues, and his off court troubles. He just didn’t play at that high level for long enough. 6 years of allstars a few all nba second teams, with no other accolades, average numbers, and a popular name isn’t getting u in the hall.
@@TheIcemanthomas You’re talking rubbish. He was better than Griffin who will be in the HOF. Name me just one other player with Kemp’s accolades who is not in the HOF and is eligible. And also, he was arguably the second best player behind Shaq, in Dreams Team 2.
@@loverboymr WHAT ACCOLADES. 6 allstars is not hof accolades. Almost everyone hof has more than that. Ur delusional. And being better than someone means absolutely nothing. Production gets u in. NOT TALENT. Common sense. I asked u to name me someone who’s s in the hof with less and U can’t do it because it doesn’t exist. Anyone u name I’ll have an answer for why they are in. Go ahead and try.
@@loverboymr learn the difference between hof talent and actual deserving hof production. Kemp is a better talent than bill Russell. But u know why bill is a hofer. PRODUCTION. Mvps titles. Led the league in categories. A full careers worth statistical production, allstars, all nbas, etc. Produced on an alltime great level for an ENITRE CAREER. Kemp produced on an allstar level for a few years and was out the game. How can u put that on the same level? Just saying “well he’s Shawn kemp. He was a great dunker. He was great so he should get in,” is a disservice to the validity of the hof and basketball in general. If just anyone can get in just on being great for a few years, then what’s all the fuss over titles and mvps then? Win a few allstars and be popular and you’ll make the hof easy? No that’s not how it works. U need a solid mix of EVRYTHING. That: shown with 99.9% of the players currently in the hall. It may be easier to get into than other sports. But believe it or not, their is a standard that needs to be met to meet the voters standards. He doesn’t meet it. No disrespect to the reign man at all. But it is what it is.
Great video Jonny.
It's crazy that there are still some people out there who think that the 2017 Warriors could beat MJ's Bulls in a Finals series when the Bulls literally have a guy who can score 38 on a bad stomach and 35 in a half WITHOUT EVEN TRYING.
the problem with warriors vs the bulls is that their main power is their backcourt which had to go against jordan,pippen,rodman and harper.they dont have a chance. most difficult team for the bulls would have been the early 2000s lakers who had shaq and kobe or the 1986 celtics with parish mchale bird etc .
That warriors team is one of the greatest teams of all time
Everyone should keep it I think
Shawn Kemp was by far the best player in the 1996 finals. His numbers don't tell the whole story. Kemp had one bad game because he got in foul trouble, that's why his ppg is not higher, but he totally dominated the other 5 games.
Love that you brought up the 91 Bulls vs Lakers final and all the injuries the Lakers dealt with.
I always bring up that Finals whenever people try to excuse a Finals loss (such as with LeBron) or when ESPN constantly tries to find excuses or brings up injuries. I pretty much say that they aren't going back to Jordan's 1st Championship and say he didn't earn it because the Lakers were injured and Magic had no help.
They don't say that the Pistons didn't deserve the sweep over the Lakers because the Lakers came into the series injured.
They don't say that the Celtics didn't deserve the 07 Championship vs The Lakers because Bynum and Ariza were injured. So they shouldn't be making excuses and trying to say that LeBron's finals losses 'don't count' or that the Warriors finals wins 'have an asterisk'. They don't say that the Bulls didn't deserve their Championship in their 72-10 season because Payton was injured and yet they still held Jordan to 41% shooting and had multiple chances to win despite that.
True legends don't need excuses, and ESPN does the modern day legends no favors by trying to find excuses for their favorites(I say favorites but it's mainly just LeBron). And I say that as a Lakers fan that is overjoyed to have him.
You're touching on something on something I've been thinking about for a while, and a video I want to make one day. Injuries potentially changing outcomes has ALWAYS been a part of the game, so yeah, excuses or "asterisks" are just kinda weak. Just a few examples from Jordan's era alone...
1990 ECF Game 7: Paxson with out with a bad ankle, and Pippen played like crap with a migraine.
1991 Finals: Worthy and Scott missing time with injuries.
1996 ECF: Horace Grant missed 3 games to an injury.
Injuries do change the game and can make a finals much easier/harder
@@jonnyarnett That sounds like a pretty awesome idea! :)
That's a big lie. Worthy and Scott wasn't injured until Game 4. Scott disappeared completely in this series even before injury. Worthy played well until he got injured. And no the Lakers were not undermanned coz Perkins and Divac put up double digit scoring while during Game 5 Campbell played well as replacement player for Worthy. Game 3 loss was really devastating coz Pippen was out of the game after fouling out and they had a 2 point lead in dying seconds. Then MJ took over.
@@crisaracon7379 That's one of the reasons I have that clutch shot over Divac as maybe Jordan's greatest shot ever.
4:53 basketball photography was so much better with ceiling-mounted flash instead of high-ISO like they do today.
@Jonny Arnett great content, fantastic series. The pressure of selecting the Finals MVP is not helped by the fact there are a plethora of considerations that need to be addressed in a span of a few minutes. And I think, this series is guided by the right data, and more importantly, the right questions. Thank you Jonny Arnett.
Having said that, I cannot wait for the REAL MVP: 2010-2020 edition. The era that, I FEEL, is convoluted by so many “what-if” situations.
Thanks for the love, bro, and the 2010s video is already done! Definitely some hot takes on this one, so let me know what you think of it czcams.com/video/RcrqoxuAZ7A/video.html
Shawn Kemp was not the best player in 96 i am sorry.
1. He got worse as the series went on his scoring was steadily declining with a one game exception. 32,29,14 25,22 ,18.
2. He got dominated on rebounding.
3. His defense was mediocre.
4.Gary Payton s defense on MJ is only reason they didnt get swept
5. Rodman was guarding Schrempf, not Kemp most the series.
6. When it mattered most he didnt produce.
7. In games 3,4,5,6 he was even the best player in his team.
8. In games 3 and 6 he wasnt even second best player on his team. Schrempf had better games
9. His number slipped when Rodman was guarding him( which he wasn t most the time.)
10. Payton was better in 4 out of 6 games. His D on MJ is legendary and made him Sonics MVP.
You're correct the worrm didn't defend ☔ that much in the series... and Dennis Rodman was actually the MVP. It kind of sucks to that a lot of these guys who never watched Jordan actually play are making videos about. him. They are just buying the propaganda. 👎
Agree with this. His numbers look good, but at the time, watching the series, it was clear that Rodman got into his head at key moments. Always thought Rodman was the key to that series, and a lot of it was because of the effect he had on Kemp.
You made the whole video to change one MVP???
Your videos are top notch, you should have way more subscribers! Kudos
Bro I just love your uniques videos.
so... Jordan lost the 96 finas mvp because he wasnt as good as himself? wtf lmao
No, he simply wasn't the best player on the court, he was only the best player from Chicago.
@@hristijandimitrovski8664 idk I think unless there is really no comparison then I think that a member of the winning team should have the finals MVP. It was pretty close between Kemp and Jordan statistically, a slight lead for Kemp at best, so I feel Jordan should definitely keep the MVP considering the Bulls won 4-2.
@@thebasketballfan6248 do you underatand that this video isn't about team's succsess, definitely 4-2 doesn't mean nothing in this video. This is video only for players who played the best in those series and Kemp was better than Jordan. Great blocker, also averaged over 23 points which is very good, even exellent on 55% shooting, it is definitely better than 27 points on 41% shooting. They were close, but Kemp was a little bit better.
@@hristijandimitrovski8664 I hear what you're saying but being the best player doesn't always mean best stats. For example Kemp dominated game 1, but the Bulls belted them that game so looking back it would of been good for Kemp to of used his stats on a different game. In game 2 which was the only close game of the series Kemp didn't play as well as his series stats, in the close game Jordan got 29/8/6. Game 3 Jordan scored 36 and effectively dug the sonics into a 3-0 hole. Kemp and Jordan both had their worst performance in game 6, but with Bulls winning by 12 did Jordan need to have a great game no, Kemp? yes. Looking purely at stats it is relatively close as well.
Jordan: Points, Assists, Steals, Less Turnovers
Kemp: Blocks, Rebounds, Field Goal Percentage
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Jonny: [says Shawn Kemp should've been Finals MVP over Jordan in '96]
Michael: "So, I took it personally..."
um...
I grew up watching Hakeem and Michael and practicing my post moves. Unfortunately I didn't grow, so I was 6' with a great post game LOL.
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Wow over 51% in '98 by Jordan... that doesn't get talked about enough
@Hoop Club exactly
@Hoop Club Not to be a bronsexual but bron percentages for his fmvp this year was 59 percent.
@@ostuw Not to be a bronsexual but bron percentages for his fmvp this year was 59 percent. He’s also 35
Not to be a bronsexual but bron percentages for his fmvp this year was 59 percent. He’s also 35
@@jasonmoukala8909 because he has the benefit of playing with other great offensive player and he doesnt take many bad/forced shots.he can be more selective.put lebron in a team like bulls were only jordan was capaple at offensive end,taking as many shots as jordan and he will go close to 40%.they are had been numerous series were lebron had to take many shots without reliable second offensive option and he was close to 40% or below.
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Good and honest observation Jonny! I still have the 1996 Finals on VHS. And you're right, Kemp was the better player. Scoring, rebounding and defending.... that zany Rodman was pretty much just supplying Rebounds only.
Jordan should have kept his finals mvp in 96 even though it wasn't his best series
Agreed
Kemp looked like an NBA player while the rest looked like college players. Kemp was by far the best player in those finals. Jordan played horrible. His ppg is inflated because the refs would always give him more points at the free throw line. I saw those finals.
@@alexfarias5156 tbh I don't give a fuck
One thing that nobody talks about when talking about the 90s is that Michael and hakeem never went head to head in the finals . They bothe won multiple championships but never went head to head it would have been the best final series ever. Sad we never got to see it.
Cartwright's job would have been to crack Hakeem's skull again.
@@matthewbartke4424 pretty sure Grant would have been the one covering him
The only issue I have with taking Kemp over Jordan is just how do you give MVP honors to a player that couldn't even take the series to 7.
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96 I think is still Jordan bc if you look at the rest of the bulls it’s very obvious that Jordan CARRIED the entire bulls offense that series.
jordan was simply unfair, that stat lines are straight outta 2k
hey when is the top 50 players video coming? Been waiting for some time for it.
14:00 I appreciated this Johnny
I just noticed. the voice over is exact to the lips movement haha
I'm a life long Chicagoan who grew up in the 90's watching Jordan. I don't have words for that man. Larry Bird put it best when he said "That's not Michael Jordan. That's God disguised as Michael Jordan".
He only changed the 96 finals to make it so it wasn’t the same. Jordan had less rebounds blocks and field goal percentage because he’s a big. That’s historically what bigs have an advantage over smalls on. I also feel like you severely underplayed the fact that the DPOY of that season was guarding Jordan for games 4,5, and 6. In game 4 and 6 Jordan’s percentage was in the 30s, but in game 1 it was 50, game 2 was over 40 and game 3 was 47. He also shot 50 in game 5. With all that said that would be the equivalent of Rudy Gobert gaurding kemp, and we all know that’s if that happened he wouldn’t have had as great of a series. With all that being said Jordan still got 27 a game, I find it hard to believe that his stats were considered worse than kemp’s, especially when you put it into context. Not to mention the fact that only “bigs” shot over 50% because it was such a defensively oriented series. The fact that Jordan had 27 while being gaurded by the DPOY is a lot more impressive than a big scoring 23 on 50% shooting and 10 boards. Fight Me.
Great video
This is my favorite basketball channel
i think jordan should have still won finals mvp in 1996
agree Jordan average and had more Points, Assists, Steals, and fewer turnovers.
He did!
I don’t agree with 96... and my reason is not because Jordan is Mecca it’s because we don’t take into account disruptive presence on court or the fact that the last game diluted his numbers. If you Have Jordan it opens up the floor for everyone else. They were great two seasons prior without him they owed it to him to stand up for one game.
8:33 damn that's an awesome photo. making Patrick Ewing look like a little kid!
Hey @jonnyarnett I laugh every time the clip of MJ with the ball fake to David Wesley! 😂😂😂😂 caught the hell out of him! 😂😂😂😂
Jordan worse playoff average was 27.3 and that still good
I remember watching the 96 series and thinking wow Kemp outplayed Jordan.
new Jonny Arnett let's gooooo
Yes I agree with your analysis
It just amazes me how anyone even has the audacity to compare any mere mortal to Michael Jordan, there’s just no comparison not even close.
Bruh in 90s litetaly almost every time won best player
You should do this for 2010 it would be hella lot different
he already did, check his older video
Did not expect that 10:09
Man, you are incredible like Thinking basketball
Please do real mvps of the 1960s decade
Wilt...Wilt
Tai Adewoye yeah but it could be interesting
Do a video for who is better between Scottie Pippen or Kawhi
that is a really good idea
is this even a debate?
Kawhi is better but he had the advantage of playing in the modern era with modern training and all that, no doubt if you switch their places scottie would be better.
@@GameChanger-xi4iy Agreed! Pippen was just a little more complete as a basketball player than Leonard.
this is such a cool idea for a video
Great job.
Honestly I think you just made the change in 96 cuz otherwise there would b no changes.... yes Jordan had his worst finals that year but his numbers are comparable to the 98 finals as well only slightly worse FG% and Karl Malone had better numbers than kemp in my opinion but you still give it to Jordan in 98... instead of him losing both I think he should win both... like yes Shawn kemp had a higher FG% but taken into account that he’s a forward that shoots more higher percentage shots he should have a higher FG % and he scored 5 less ppg than jordan.. so it wasn’t like kemp was Hakeem averaging 30 ppg on same efficiency...
I agree. Outside of 96 the finals MVPs went to the best player in the series.
1st three peat MJ was so much more superior to the 2nd I hate when people call 96-98 his peak
@jonnyArnett , you have hands down the best NBA videos... just imagine if you did NFL content🤔😐😮.... A sports fan can only dream
idk if you can do this but finals mvp before the creation of the award ?
Once again, a 90s basketball video ends up being an MJ tribute lol
Well what did you expect?
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I feel like for 1991 he was saying that Jordan and Johnson both deserved it. Because he spent so much time talking about how great both of them were in the series
9:10 this dunk is nuts. look how much ground he covered in just one step.
Video suggestion: Was Jerry West a better player or a better GM
Gm easily.
@@markpagtama7954 I don’t know l. He was a beast player. He just consistently played better teams
@@marquisdaniels8371 thats what makes gm jerry better. When he works with a team, that team becomes unfair for others. Dude consistently builds superteams like its no big deal.
I am so fucking mad that u have this amount of subscribers.You deserve more man and that's a FACT
dope video