Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Sucks
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- čas přidán 13. 11. 2022
- Wakanda Forever is a bummer. With a story foundation made out of pudding, this movie sinks under the weight of expectations, poor pacing, and trying to do too many things at once-and failing at most of them.
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I’d be surprised if you could make a movie to a fraction of what Wakanda Forever did. 😂
Here's something fun: Why try to recreate the Herb when you can just synthesize a formula from T'Challa's blood? That's a thing the MCU can do now. They were doing it with the Supersoldier serum multiple times, but most recently in the Falcon and Winter Soldier, and the Hulk serum in She-Hulk. You're telling me the most advanced country can't do what some back alley independents were able to accomplish? And why would another dose of the Herb help anything?
Simple solution: Have him die in battle against Namor.
@@zirkalda9502 Maybe because hes dead? By the time Marvel knew he was already in the admission phase.
@@jaym8871 You understand I'm talking about the character, right? In the movie? Not the actor in real life?
@@zirkalda9502 Who will play him during the fight. If you wanted him to die in battle, there would have to be a scene of his mask off. Fucking dumbass
“Just because I miss Chadwick doesn’t mean I’m gonna pretend this movie is good” couldn’t have said better myself!
exactly
They just put up some clips from the film on CZcams. If you want me to watch that film, you'll need to pay me by the minute. $20/minute sounds about right. That video is 8 minutes, and I'll be damned if my cringe meter didn't fill up by minute 2.
The movie is good.
You were close I take it 😬
It's a good movie... he just complains about everything for views.
"Dont ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next product"
Always cracks me up.
I read this shameful comment all the time, can you please tell me where it comes from?
It's just a movie relax and a stick will fall out.
@@mijaelviricocheaparra7474it's from a movie review show called Half in the Bag made by Red Letter Media here on YT
@@mijaelviricocheaparra7474 Critical Drinker
Why are the two replies above me so mad?
Yeah I agree, just cause Chadwick died, doesn't mean it's instantly a masterpiece.
Its still much better than most other MCU phase 4 movies and finally expands the overall story.
That's not a very high bar to pass.
I’m a man on an island as a black person that found it mediocre. Namor just didn’t work for me. I did appreciate them trying something different by making the true antagonist of the movie Shuri’s grieve rather than another character. But I don’t know. Felt like a collection of deleted scenes or something.
Agree. I simply didn’t like Namor. Felt goofy, forced and way too outta place. They should’ve used Nakia, M’Baku or the always great Angela Bassett a lot more. Killing her Queen character off really pissed me off. I miss Chadwick. It’s just not the same.
One big plot hole is that there was no armed combat for leadership. Why did no one challenge for the throne after T'Challa passed away? No one challenged the queen? I find that hard to believe, after all the set up for that in the first movie.
Bingo! Again..no respect for the past..
There isn't always a challenge
Because girl power.
@@ashwhite8610 with everything politically happening as well as within the larger MCU there should and would have been a challenge of some kind
Yeah mbaku vs shuri is the fight everyone wanted to see
Angela Bassett’s back must hurt from carrying this movie.
Nah. It was Namor.
@@vishnuk67 🤣 funny
Is it weird that I really want her in a bp suit? Sure Shuri was younger, but her body was too skinny. Expected someone who's more yknow, smoked
Dude that back was shredded. The lady is 64 years old and fitter than the General of the Dora Milaje and the new Black Panther. The woman is jacked
@@ferrm1992 I find it somewhat embarrassing that a 64 year old woman could get into fighting shape for Ramonda but Natalie Portman couldn’t for Thor.
Namor was so underdeveloped bruh. They tried too hard to make him sympathetic and a cold hearted villain but failed miserably to balance it.
Although to an extent I agree in terms of development but.... I think it was a nice change of showing that namor is a sympathetic antagonist that he's willing to work for the good of his people and be peaceful and make you question wakandas actions and at times make you feel who really is in the wrong. And Namor is not the villain that's what people got them confused he is an antagonist these are two different things. He literally told the queen repercussions and there was, he attacked wakanda killed the queen and if it wasn't for plot inconvenience he most likely would have won the war. And he did all that because one of his people got killed.
@@rayray9865 Bruh if he and his army had managed to literally attacked Wakanda that easily then why did he even tried to call them for help? Also doesn't he realize that entering their territory illegally just made him more like an intruder since it was obvious that even Wakanda is not aware of their existence.
@@robertbench5187 he’s using them so the surface world doesn’t know they exist
@@Shotzfired03 No he's not using them. He clearly stated that he wants an alliance with them to wage war against the world.
@@robertbench5187 No offense but this is kind of a stupid point.
you pointed it out yourself, he was looking for Allie’s. Why solo all of the countries in the world when you could possibly get help from a fellow vibranium rich country? Wakanda was already pissed off when a special forces group tried to infiltrate one of their labs, they made it clear that they were paranoid that they were going to be taken advantage of, and the death of black panther was clearly a factor in both of these points. So how is it hard to believe that namor wouldn’t try to get their help? 2 is better than 1 lol.
I mean watching this movie it feels really awkward without Chadwick as the lead character. His passing has a huge impact in the real world and in the MCU story. Very unfortunate that this happened
Perfectly spoken when said " just because i miss chadwick bosman dosent mean imma pretend this movie this movie is good".
And after he says that he was robbed best actor? Com''on man.
"Because it's always a brilliant idea to piss someone off then let them regroup" had me creasing
According to Namor’s logic, maybe what Bin Laden did in 2001 was actually him trying to make friends with America.
They teased a sequel. Maybe Namor will step up for the challenge.
Eh, that actually makes a little sense. The point was to intimidate them. Especially without a Black Panther, it doesn’t matter how angry they would be over what happened, they wouldn’t choose to be wiped out.
He wanted their help, not to kill everyone.
He didn’t want to destroy Wakanda, because he knows they’re his best chance at beating the rest of the world in the war he wants to wage. And he knows he can get Shuri on his side
You had me laughing every single time you said “Namor”
This guy is whining about the name what's so hard about saying namor
@@hedgeblock898 Exactly, it’s Namor. It’s always been Namor, and it will always be Namor. Unless you’re a multi billion dollar woke corporation. Then it’s Nah mor.
my favorite scene with Namor is when he said "it's Namorin' time" and he Namored all over the place
As someone who loves comic Namor and his winged feet, seeing him taking on the Wakandan defenses (should have had a trident, but I’ll take the spear) by himself with his winged feet was awesome. Namor has oscillating chaotically from genocidal to downright goofy for over 80 years and there were moments when I actually felt like I was watching comic book Namor. They were largely CGI driven and the actor made no difference to those moments, but they were still nice
he is maya so a spear made more sense
@@northdakotagamer I’m pretty sure they didn’t give him a trident so that audiences wouldn’t call him aquaman or get the two confused. Same reason he doesn’t live in Atlantis anymore in the movie, they changed it to Talokan.
@@sadchild9478 no they did that because the trident is too powerful against wukandan tech. You can electrocute black panther with electricity
@@fightinmation9702 in the comics he isnt
It's just a feminist trope..
It was a metaphor for his balls..
I'd be surprised if the She-Hulk writers are behind this movie 😖😖😖..
The entire movie was about making masculinity a joke , while somehow making the women as masculine as possible..
It’s funny how little I care about the MCU these days. I was a day one watcher with the phase 1-3 but now I haven’t seen an MCU content since halfway through Loki (what ever episode was Loki getting punched in the family jewels repeatedly). I literally jumped ship and haven’t come back and looks like I haven’t missed a thing going by the diminishing returns
Same for me. I just gave up after Loki.. Also the weight of having to keep up with everything just to understand what the fuck is going on in one movie. I can do that, but only if the quality is up there, which i mean its clearly not. SheHulk. Watched 1 episode and it just broke me into tiny pieces
not to mention that loki was based off the loki that was 1 vs 1ing Thor and doing decently but now gets beat by humans. lol the hulk gets run over by a jeep LMFAOOOOOO
I remember waiting on pins and needles to watch the latest trailer for Infinity War/Endgame. I would watch them with my family over and over, trying to tease out any spoilers we could. I watched WandaVision, but after that show ended in a fiasco, I couldn't bring myself to care any more for the M-She-U. I now just watch reviews (like this one) just to see how bad Marvel/Disney has fallen. Such a shame.
Loki is actually a really good show.
M She U
Chadwick boseman was an amazing person and actor and this film honoured him perfectly but that can’t overshadow the fact that almost the entire movie was full of bad concepts and writing
yeah, I'm being told I "disrespect" Chadwick's memory by having an opinion like this... Lol, if real-life meta events effect peoples criticism of a movie, they are lost.
That is all marvel movies in a nutshell.
I find it curious that half the reviews I've seen say it honours Chadwick Boseman and half find that cause of death being a virus (rather than, say, combat) and if only he had told Shuri sooner, she might have been able to help him, in effect a dishonouring. Like, "If only he had told us, his Hollywood masters, that he had cancer, sooner". (My own disability/chronic illness debars me from the cinema, so I cannot judge for myself. Since my symptoms affect other patrons I steer clear.)
Can't forget the overt racism lmfao...
You talk about him like he's your best friend you don't even know the guy..
We don't need a new black panther just like we don't need a new iron man. We just need new well written characters, which we are not getting
Many of the problems you raised didn't come to me during my first watching. Unfortunately now anytime I do rewatch it, I will be seeing those issues. The issues I did find while watching was in the geopolitics of the world. 1:France attacking a Wakandan Outreach centre (I could believe this if it was set 100 years earlier during colonial times, but not in 2020s) 2: America almost declaring war on Wakanda because Wakandans 'kidnapped' a US citizen in America, even if it was mcguffin creator. This is just like Namor declaring war on Wakanda because Wakanda didn't give him Riri, even worse I would say. Surely by now the world knows that Wakanda is more than they said, especially intelligence agencies. So why would America declare war. I could imagine a diplomatic crisis, perhaps sanctions. But not some declaration of war.
Finally, the plot was a rehash in many ways of the first one. Wakanda dealing with legacy of colonialism by Europeans. Namor and Kilmonger have so many similarities. Both want to wage war on old colonial powers/surface world. Both want Wakanda/main character(Shuri/T'Challa) to join them.
Aafter initially watching the movie I rated it about middle of the pack of MCU movies, on par with the first one. But, over time this has dropped slightly.
The way they portrayed France as a ruthless colonial power trying to enforce their will on african nations by force was a disgrace. It seemed like a plot directly given by russian or chinese propaganda departments. Truly outrageous, glad Im not the only one angry about this.
A level headed analysis...definitely thought it was just gonna be whining, but you brought really well thought out claims to attention. And actually expressed exactly how I was feeling when I watched this movie. Something was "off": obviously Bosemen's death loomed over the movie, Shuri never felt like a leading lady, the "inciting incident" was a really stupid concept of "killing RiRi cuz she made a thing and people used it", movie relied on grief/death as a motivation for too many characters that it felt bogged down by it...didn't feel like a natural progression and obviously it's not - they really had to overhaul an entire story around Chadwick's passing.
Yeah the title made me expect extremely biased hate for MCU but I'm glad I didn't take it at face value
Amen
He’s pretty straight up Just a legit well thought out opinion every time
Hype and blind brand loyalty are
one hell of a drug.
Brand loyalty is all the mcu has going for it right now.
Lol Batman avi that movie was worse
Not just that, but the fact that Chadwick passed probably is influencing public opinion too. It's sad he passed, of course; the thing is, its not a secret that people are overlooking flaws in the film because they don't want to seem harsh.
@@emilabbey11 cringe 😂
i will still be hyped for GOTG 3
I still can't get over all the innocent cops th B grade Iron Man torched and nothing was said about it! Smh
Collateral damage. It happens.
"Trapped in the MCU narrative spinning its wheels unable to move forward"
🎯 Well said
Angela Bassett was basically carrying this movie
And Tenoch Huerta too.
She's got the shoulders for it.
@@Marvelfanatic3658 we just established he was shit in this movie so don’t be adding his name to this list
@@madambutterfly1997 I honestly like tenoch huerta's performance the most. He wasn't your typical lame villain who wanted to conquest the world. He had a clear purpose and I'm really glad he survived so the character can go into other MCU projects. Eventhough he is a mutant he felt like the most human. His conviction was to protect his people and he did. Also, the whole introduction of Talokan was beautiful
@@alexiabejarano4220 he's just as unhinged just killmonger and you think he's a strong villain
If Namor won it would have been better.😂😂
I SERIOUSLY don't get why it was so imperative that Wakanda pulls a complete 180 on the last film where they would SHARE their technology with the world, but the world has REGRESSED. What the HELL happened? How could losing Shuri and T'Challa to the Snap stop the distribution COLD? They still could have adapted the world in those 5 years but we never saw their technological influence post-Endgame. What gives??
This is a pretty good review. But I do think Letitia had to play a pretty big role, she’s no T’challa and that’s obvious . However regarding the circumstance she played the Shuri character well and her taking the mantle didn’t feel forced, rather a natural necessity .
Ohh right. Played well a b*tchy character mary sue rhat seemed to have a stick up her bunghole the entire movie.
They setup Shuri still not being over TChalla's death by comparing it to her more experienced mother in the beginning, she refuses to deal with the grief in stark contrast to her mother. I was really hoping that she goes through some challenge which helps her transition to her acceptance phase of the grief, but this resolution never happened in the movie. They showed her being all "I'm not over his death, I'm just angry and want to kill everyone, you will help me kill!" one minute to suddenly just being like "Okay I've changed my mind! I will show Namor mercy, also now I can accept TChalla's loss" WITHOUT ANY MOTIVATION OR TRANSITION. It. Just. Happened. Out of nowhere! So frustrating, and the biggest reason this movie feels unfinished.
If you really paid attention, she was comparing the 2 hidden places. She thought of the people and how they needed and respected their leader...just like Wakanda. So instead of killing Namor she showed him grace.
There was like a whole ass montage of her reconsidering her revenge and acknowledging the similarities between both Nations and realising she doesn't want to inflict the same pain. Namor is essentially their black panther, and she doesn't want to take that away from them.
@@teresajenkins4061 Yes but what LED her there? Holding a spear to Namor's head? So what? In that scenario you have the upper hand, therefore it was not a teachable lesson therefore you do not transcend yourself. OP is right, Shuri didn't transform, she just changed her mind because the writers told her to.
I felt like they could have done so much more with Shuri. I loved that they centred on her anger, but how did that anger feed into her transformation into Black Panther? The Kilmonger scene was super powerful because that was the first time I actually understood her point of view. But the revelation shouldn't have been "Oh OK so that's how she actually feels", it should have been "That TOTALLY makes sense!"
I disliked that a movie about Black Panther had almost nothing to do with Black Panther. What does the Black Panther stand for? T'Challa was very clear about who he was in the suit. Who is Shuri in the suit?
They should've brought in Loki or Wandavision writers to workshop that transition. The Chadwick tribute was on point. But if they wanted to truly honour his legacy, they should have ideated around the symbolism of the Black Panther (not just in-universe but meta for black culture too).
You mean the same writers who also wrote the stakesless Multiverse of Madness, had Loki go through the same redemption arc again while diluting his edge with MCU humour & brought back Vision more than once, now with a spin-off lined up for him that ultimately diminishes Wanda’s grief that they were building up in the first place? You can critique how Shuri’s grief & anger was handled but Ryan & co at least made an effort to inject consequences & different points of view for the characters, the writers you’re suggesting backtracked on doing that.
They should have recast T’Challa because going forward they can’t tell 95% of Black Panther stories and removing the main character just sunk their own franchise. Shuri being Black Panther in the comics was not even long and it was only a plot point to serve T’Challa’s story. Soooooo how are they even gonna continue this franchise???
You do realise they did in essence recast T'Challa right? With T'challa and Nakia's son also being named T'Challa. They're very clearly going to time jump into a young adult T'Challa junior as the Black Panther and Shuri being older but performing the same role as a scientist for Wakanda
Clearly he hasn't seen the movie
@@amodbhanushali so black panther is just gonna be put on hold for like 10 years in the mcu?
@@heretopissyouoff8439 considering the major time jumps in the MCU, not really…
there's a multiverse now. they can recast T'Challa in another universe
Loved Jordan Peterson's input on these critical issues for young men in the audience
As much as I enjoyed this film, you bring up some good points. It's by no means a perfect movie, there's a lot to criticize about it. You gave this film a fair chance and focused your criticism on the right things for the most. Good job!
Black man here. I saw the movie Saturday with my gf who is a certified normie. She tends to just enjoy the entertainment for what it is and then revisit it later if she still enjoyed it after time has past. She said she liked it and had a tear 4 times( beginning Chadwick tribute, Queen's death, Shuri burning the robe with the Chadwick tribute, and the midcredit scene).
Me on the other hand, I thought the tributes were good, and Shuri's attempted "arc" had it's moments. But the whole time I just felt kinda sad. Not at the T'Challa death stuff, but at the seemingly bad writing that resulted in Wakanda feeling empty and weightless. I thought that Angela Bassett was awesome for the most part. She was the only reason I felt some genuine grief and sadness in the meat of the movie. M'baku was a highlight and was underutilized.
Namor was..... interesting. Would have preferred him to have better motivations and been a more threatening presence. Even his people felt like cannon fodder, just a bunch of blue people in a fight that overall felt pointless.
I'm not even gonna get started on how the representation of black men recently has me worried about kids growing up. This movie just adds to that with the lack of any prominent black men in what feels like the whole nation of Wakanda.
TLDR: If I turned my brain off I could enjoy this, but if I think about what goes on for to long I just get depressed at the state of the MCU and Wakanda going forward.
Relateable and respectful opinion. 👍
Brought a tear to my eye because im fresh off of losing a family member, that being said, the movie was garbage, not entertaining, CGI garbage, fights sorry then the whole Killmonger astral plane shit smh, not ever her mom , killmonger, shit made no sense
Spot on review. Def only 3.5/5 stars from me and the wife.
It goes to show this shouldn't be a race issue. I am white, you are black, but we both bleed red.
This is exactly how I felt watching it
The only thing that I thoroughly connected with was the grief which overwhelmed the movie so I thought it was good in that sense but I got annoyed at everything else
Black Panther was not in the "upper stratosphere" of super heroes until the movie came out and now that Boseman is dead, Black Panther will drop from the "stratosphere" he has reached
Ye man this dude is a poser. Blade was more known to mainstream plebs by the time panther came on the scene. Blade had a 3 movie franchise ffs.
How does five tribes that were at war with each other coming together and agreeing to work together, the same as colonialism? Let's not equate that with what Europeans did in Africa, America, Asia, and Australia.
Yeah that point didn't work, and I did not see the issue with not trusting their natural resource to the rest of the world.
Was scrolling thru looking for an Easter egg vid on wakanda forever as I like to see if and what I missed, and I saw ur title and decided to give it a watch. I guess I can see what u are speaking about but personally I enjoyed it. Yeh it's got a lot of things going on, that at times makes it a little pandering and disjointed but unlike comics from which all of these movies are ultimately drawn they have to. I have been going to see marvel and DC movies with my son( now 12) for years now and honestly we just go to be entertained and we both thought this movie accomplished that. Obviously not the best product out of the marvel studios but not thor dark world either
Namor was dried out like SpongeBob and Patrick in the first SpongeBob movie 😂
I still feel bad about Chadwick he brought a character I never thought we’d see to life. Like was said in this video if you lean to hard one way or the other your screwed. I think they should have waited on this one.
Lmao. Chadwick was just an actor. Any actor can play him and do it the same. A double standard compared to Batman, Superman, Spiderman and James Bond with multiple actors. He said himself that he wanted T'Challa as Black Panther to continue, so he wanted him recasted if he was dead. His family supported that. Marvel and Kevin made a terrible betrayal decsion to Chadwick and the Marvel fans and comic fans by killing off T'Challa after one movie. If you want tribute, do a documentary. NOT a Black Panther sequel movie where T'Challa adventures should continue as there was unfinished business.
@@patarp1350 exactly
@@patarp1350 chadwick boseman in heaven: why didn’t ya’ll recast me
The definitely should’ve waited.
@@godzillagurus576 they not recasting him get over it
Been saying it a for a while, and as a Hispanic I can see how people who haven't gotten much representation in film who see someone of the same race/ ethnicity in a film can just be happy to have the representation but as a fan I feel like the 2nd matches the rest of the phase bad writing, willingness to take the easy route to appease everyone else except for the people who made these movies possible by buying comics... Great review and video
The level of woke in this film deserves its own Oscar
stop calling everything with black people “woke” cause that’s not even what that word means ☠️
Amen
Cry
Don’t forget that Tchalla already had the heart shaped herb power so it makes no sense for Shuri to need to recreate it to heal him. Ugh.
For a second fresh dose. First dose was weakened by unknown illness.
@@shahidmirza1138 the herb makes him immune to ‘illness’
whatever movie the reason gives is lazy writing
@@matt6872 it’s a superhero movie we are talking about and from all the other fake stuff this is bothering you the most?
@@shahidmirza1138 Then why did you correct him if you didn't care?
Well maybe like, since he used the herb to bring himself back it had side effects or it’s power slowly faded, allowing the unknown illness to fester?
This channel officially rocks!!! Keep them coming brother. These videos make my life a little bit easier❤️
As a Mexican fan of the MCU, I was hyped when they announced their casting for Namor and Namora. I was excited to see what they would do to honor Boseman WHILE making a great movie. But... I walked out of the cinema feeling extremely disappointed.
The writing is weird. The dialogues are mostly cringing -especially Namor's, which has me thinking it was not a super bad acting from Tenoch Huerta but a poor script overall. The pacing is hit or miss. The cultural concepts for the 'Mayans' (a representation I'm not that happy about) felt weak. The plot could be fixed in numerous ways, starting with T'Challa's odd death...
Black Panther is a faceless superhero, yet they couldn't (or didn't dare?) write a fighting scene that the panther couldn't survive? Not sure what the American custom is for when actors pass, but it seems to me that you also have to respect the actor's legacy: their character.
Also that first ad had the to be the funniest transition I’ve witnessed in awhile ! Ahaha just subscribed! Binge watching yours videos now
Welcome aboard!
Apart from paying respects to an actor, yeah, the movie was subpar at best
yeah, tried way to hard, made it boring
@@almanac520 sure was a helluva lot crammed in the run time.
The Movie Cynic : *has an opinion*
Viewers : "And I took that personnaly."
Lefties tend to be very emotionally unstable. None of this can be attributed to race really, after all Hollywood has been trying to emasculate men for decades. People only noticed once their lives debilitated because of this benign narrative.
As a viewer I can agree that people having opinions is is extremely personal matter.
@@shimaphys it does now
@@Rar830 when its as retarted as this one yeah pretty annoying
I mean what do you expect? People are allowed to disagree its called freedom of speech and believe it or not that's allowed on youtube.
This is basically a superhero movie without it's superhero. It's a movie full of secondary characters (on the Black Panther side of the story.. I thought Namor was actually done decently). I just didn't feel a sense of connection nor was I excited when Shuri became a version of Black panther. It was like when Captain America handed his shield to Sam and asked him how it felt..and Sam said "like it belongs to someone else". I didn't buy Shuri becoming black panther, not one bit... it felt as though she was a secondary character that was borrowing the suit. It also felt rushed, when it didn't have to be.. I understand that because Chadwick passed away, they had to figure out a replacement. But I honestly think recasting black panther would have been the better move. Something Chadwick's own family thought was the best course of action.. I saved the best for last (sarcasm).. Iron heart was the literal definition of a complete non-essential character. She did NOTHING to help move along the story. The only reason she was even in the movie was to introduce her for her Disney plus series coming up. But even so, the writing for this character was horrible at best. And now I have no interest whatsoever in watching that series when it hits D-plus
Thank youuuu!! Someone has his mind in the right place!
Could you do mcu spider-man movies next?
I still think Killmonger was way more relatable than T’Challa. Killmonger had goals that made sense. I still have no idea what T’Challa actually wanted - it seems like he just did things because plot.
T’Challa was the protector and king of Wakanda. He was motivated by duty. Whereas Killmonger was your typical victim mentality black man- muh slavery and the world owes me, therefore I want to start a race war. Pretty dumb if you ask me.
The fact that more people side with Killmonger shows how brainless the audience is.
Everyone does because plot 😂.
Killmonger was not relatable. He didn't care about humanity but only about revenge and being in power. He could care less about Wakanda, he came into their country, exploited their technology to take over the world and was ready to kill anyone who disobeyed him, including his own people. He's no different than the colonizers the Wakandians tried to hide from and didn't want to help. He had them burn all the purple herbs so that no one could be in power or have the Black Panther mantle except him and he died full of pride, bitterness, anger and hate. He was a horrible character and nothing to be celebrated or admired for.
Do I sympathize with his character for what happened to him as a child? Absolutely, but it doesn't excuse or justify killing people on a revenge tour to kill a cousin who had no idea you existed or didn't contribute to your unfortunate upbringing. Plus, in the process, he caused the Wakandian people to fight and turn on each other in the third act of the first movie based on his anger and hatred.
To me Killmonger was the only good thing of the first Black Panther and yeah he was favorite of mine in that film and also they made T'Challa into a cuck and in certain ways a hyprocrite
Namor was pissed, but he still had his people’s future at heart, without wakanda it would be so much harder to take on the other countries, so he showed mercy by not trying to completely obliterate them, if anything this is could be seen as a character flaw for him as a kind, or the opposite to him as a compassionate human
and yet at the end he basically said fuck Wakanda let them deal with the world while we hide underwater unbothered. He was a piece of shit..i dont see the point of the "unity" moment when moments later Namor kicks dirt on the truce by having his own shitty agenda.
Namor is truly a lost hopeless character, who does everything conflicting to what he thinks etc. Asks ramonda and shuri to bring the kid back to wakanda, but then sends his troops to attack the ones that are complying with their request.
"but I'm not just going to let things slide, that I see with my own two eyes" PERFECT
I absolutely loved the movie. All the marvel movies this year didnt impress me at all. But in this movie I again felt something and it reminded me why I used to love Marvel
same
Yeah I personally LOVED this movie and thought it was very solid. Also glad they didn't play with Namor's name and basis.. introduced him perfectly. Lord his combat scenes were brilliant and gnarly...
This movie was way too long
I reckon they should've given Killmonger a story arch that included forgiveness and almost a sort of a "rebirth" as maybe not the King, but as the protector of Wakanda, maybe a promise he could've made to T'Challa after "seeing the light" or something. He would've slot right into an Avengers movie as an angrier, more ruthless Black Panther.
disney ahh writing
Agree, I thought he redeemed himself in the previous movie but he just showed up in this movie as the typical movie villain, lacking any sort of complexity at all. At least hints back to his witness of his father death in his conversation with Sheri, who also just lost her mother
Killmonger is dead and this plot point would've made zero sense. Yall jumping through hoops to not have Shuri as black panther but the racist, genocidal antagonist who would rather be dead than repent for his actions would be better. Christ almighty..
@@homeb0ys7515 honestly that's what exactly marvel needs to make a compelling story, a genocidal racist with access to cutting edge technolology who can really stick it to shield and the avengers
This is exactly what I hoped for. The other thing that annoyed me was they (Wakanda) despised Killmonger, yet Shuri watched her mother get murdered with the murderer in plain sight and she becomes friends with him?!?! Come on. That’s absurd.
Do you guys think the MCU will ever reach back the heights it did earlier - with endgame and infinity war?
No, it will only go down from that point.
Unfortunately, no
Never. Disney is clearly going with quantity over quality and that’s just not going to work and it’s already been proven with phase 4. They even had to cut this phase short because of how bad it was doing.
With new management yes
Definitely peaked in my opinion. Only downhill to go
Im sure every one felt the same way about this shitty movie.. They should have just done a Chadwick Boseman tribute and thats it. Its a hot mess not only that the movie was just horrible
How is wakanda isolating themselves makes them the Bad guys?! It's their nation, they can isolate as much as they want
Did you watch black panther 1? It was tchalla that wanted to unite. It’s weird that they won’t even help the other factions near wakanda
Are you serious? In the comics Wakanda has a literal cure for cancer and they refuse to share it. Can you imagine the unending garment-rending and teeth-gnashing meltdown if the West cured cancer...and then refused to share it with the poorer countries in the world?
Wakanda are absolutely the bad guys but it just points to a massive double standard in how people judge other cultures and places. Wakanda is apparently heaven on Earth despite it being a racially homogenous militaristic absolute monarchy that looks down on everyone else in the world. It's the exact thing woke people claim to be opposed to but it's cool when Wakandans do it I guess.
Excellent show. Sad mcu is not writing good stories now. Bosman loss is felt in this can't replace him.
Thanks for reminding me Shehulk stellar writting of "Im not going to become a superhero that.. is for narcissist." Im going to use it to gain fame and prove how much better I am to everyone like any humble well adjusted individual would do (not).
That moment you said the sponsor got me so good. Nice one.
2:13 no way that’s in the real movie
Congratz on the raid sponsorship. Happy to see you managed to protect your harmless video from a senseless demonetization this time, and probably got extra bucks from the raid sponsor. keep up the great work
Much appreciated!
They robbed Chadwick's grave to try to make their picture watchable. It didn't work. Nothing interesting happens in Marvel movies any more (not counting Spidey). When was the last time they showed us something worth watching?
Watch Avengers Endgame!!!!
Infinity war.
@@triplehayes6416 I think you might be right. 🤔
they should of recast him, its what he wanted, even actors brother came out said should of been recast
having him die off screen is stupid and insulting
Then why are you still watching?
20:31 HAHAHAHAHA That is, in my opinion, Arnold’s best one liner.
I have only just discovered this channel (while looking for more hilarious disses of Rings of Poop) and I am loving it! This is the living amalgamation of "Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave" meme. 5 stars, thumbs up, subscribed!
I appreciate the hard work everyone has put including you Cynic. Peace out.
When I saw this movie, I saw at least 4 people walk out mid way and not come back. I also had 5 seats booked next to me in my row and no one showed to sit there.
We loved you Chadwick. Rest in peace.
45 mm film used to be the ultra wide screen. If you are at a theatre that has a screen that wide, it will play the original Lawrence in Arabia film as it was meant to be seen.
Ultimately, the thing I will always wonder most is would recasting the T'Challa role brough more people into theatres just out of curiosity of the new casting than playing the "grief card", as it looks like the movie is not gonna come close to the first movie's numbers... But you also have to question the fact that they didn't delay production(or at least not by much) after the lead actor died and they decided not to recast the role, especially since it's not like it's a movie that absolutely had to be in Phase 4...
To be fair, the original black panther was mostly successful because the advertising was largely political, while the movie itself was pretty bland, that angle drew a lotta customers….. regardless, while it would’ve been interesting, I really doubt getting a replacement for shock value would fill those seats like that again.
Originally this movie was meant to be one of the big successes of Phase 4, with Chadwick becoming one of the main names in the MCU much like RDJ or Chris Evans. Very sad how things turned out, we ended up with an okay Shuri Panther story, when I was hoping for an amazing Chadwick Panther story. Having to rewrite the script and the short production time you mentioned might’ve had something to do with the quality of it…..who knows
@@Roughly182Eggs Considering that Chadwick himself called for the role to be recast because of his illness they should of honored him by following his wishes to keep the character going. Which would have drawn in people since that is what the marketing could have worked with, the new actor playing T'Challa talking about how he is going to do his best to honor Chadwick's wishes and play the best T'Challa he can to try to live up to Chadwick's performance.
So there would be no shock value.
@@TankHunter678 Some of the fan being super vocal about not recasting Chadwick, so Marvel obey and the rest is history.
@@TankHunter678 well knowing that, you’re right. I suppose what I meant was I doubt curiosity over the replacement would fill seats like the first movie did
@@TankHunter678you do realize shuri being the next black panther counts as a recasted role right? SHE was casted.
"the social engineering is strong in this one" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It really mattered to those people because they were brainwashed to believe it really mattered. The power of advertising. They’ve been seeing their own skin color on screen first as long as there’s been a screen practically
That quick Arnie cameo caught me off guard. I laughed hard as it dawned on me. 😄
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Like even in the comic books you could not replace Black panther t'challa for long what was it like five issues where they had his sister as Black panther and then they brought him back? And Chadwick boseman's death was unforeseen and unfortunate they had no plans for replacements for him in the works you can see that plain as day I haven't even watched the movie but I already can guess how the movie is going to be because one you do not have Chadwick in it which is depressing two you can just look at the last 3 years of movies and guess how it's going to go.
I'd to know where that first clip is from. I need to see that insanity in full for myself
Thank you as a WOC I loved your no nonsense, perfectly logical take on this….even how you critique smth you’re respectful which is scarce on the internet these days 😂
Black Panther was not an A-List until Chadwick played him. The Marvel machine made him one.
And now it's back to B
Fax 🔥
You could make that same argument of many in the MCU such as Iron-man who also wasn't an A list character until Robert Downey Jr played him. Spider-Man the X-Men and the fantastic 4 were the top selling Marvel comics for years before the MCU took off.
@@luismedrano6680 I’m guessing you can’t read. Just like Ironman, Black Panther was a B-List character at best before the movies.
Black Panther was always an A-list hero...tf you talkin bout
Ill admit, the bracelet is a macguffin because i cant think of any way the plot would be changed if it was replaced, butttttt its kind of poetic for the movie dont you think ? What the antagonist gave to the protagonist to show alliance, the protagonist used to gain the power she needed to defeat said antagonist😱but also it could be seen as poetic in the sense that if namkr hadnt given that to shuri, she would have never gotten the power to defeat namor, and form an alliance, and wakanda wouldve been destroyed
Every time I hear “vibranium detector,” I laugh uncontrollably. Now I am in a concrete 6X6 room wearing a jacket that is straight, with all kinds of cool buckles that make me hug myself. Thanks Marvel !
Awesome review, you raised great points
Though perhaps you may be underestimating the desire/need for a country to pursue a semi- isolationist approach? (Without everyone thinking of north korea lol)
I would think that opening up trade barriers has a long history of collapsing small countries with a valuable resource (probably the easiest way to destroy a country actually..)
Also, they do show them helping other countries such as Mali and Haiti in this film (so they are helping.. at their pace & area of expertise).
Highlighting the situation in Mali in particular my be too preachy... though France deserves a jab for such brutality..
Interested on your take regarding the first Black Panther movie. Have you seen the recent video by F.D. Signifier about Black Panther? It was a very interesting retrospective to say the least and I at least saw one person the the live chat assume that F.D. was trying to jab at people like MauLer or Critical Drinker (which he wasn't). He's a bit mixed-ish on this movie too, though I think he had a more positive take on it compared to yours
How shuri survived n went on to fight after getting stabbed through the stomach still amazes me
Heart shaped herb I guess?
@@amodbhanushali
That herb takes out all the stakes in the movie ,so if she is blown to tiny pieces
Heart shaped herb to the rescue
Strong woman plot armor
@@mike91mdk45 I mean even if it was Chadwick's T'Challa or Killmonger it would have been the same. I don't see how it being Shuri has anything to do with the magical recovery from being impaled
Spines don't exist in the MCU.
The MCU really has become a burnout at this point; foot flat down, wheels screeching, going absolutely nowhere.
Bro they should’ve woven a storyline where Killmonger played by MB Jordan where he becomes the new black panther. That would’ve been sick.
Great review man, and you’re not gonna catch any flack from me. This movie was bad imo. The writing was just…no. I have to disagree with you about something you said though: they tried to “honor” Chadwick Boseman, but they dishonored T’Challa. They basically said that he died because he refused to ask for help about his illness (alluding to how Boseman hadn’t really told anyone about his cancer). Couldn’t help reading between the lines about that. Or maybe that’s just me.
Also, T’Challa was superhuman, with a healing factor, and the head of the most technologically advanced nation on the planet. In the previous movie, Ross was fatally shot, and they completely healed him OVERNIGHT. They cryogenically froze Bucky for an unspecified amount of time in order to de program him. And, let’s not forget that T’Challa had made allies/friends with geniuses, gods , and reality warpers. One of which is an actual DOCTOR. Couldn’t call that guy to help your brother/king? And how come no Avengers were at the funeral?? This movie was meant to show that Wakanda, Marvel and the world doesn’t necessarily need T’Challa. Yeah, fine, we’ll give you a Black Panther, here you go, his sister Shuri. Who, like you said, looked absolutely ridiculous in that outfit. It was a mess.
Honestly, this wasn’t a Black Panther movie. This wasn’t even a Wakanda movie; considering how weak Wakanda looked. They had no military, and they were completely whooped by pretty much the Pandorans from Avatar. This is the military that held the line against Thanos and his horde of monsters, aliens and the Black Order? The bulk of earth’s defense was the Wakandan army. Where were those amazing warriors? And they were beaten by an army that hasn’t had to fight a major battle since the days of the conquistadors. Make that make sense. I disliked this movie. It shouldn’t have been made. Coogler should’ve stepped down like Zach Snyder, shelved it for a couple more years, and recast the role. Instead, we got this mess of a film. What a way to end phase 4, and to muck up one of the greatest Black superhero’s legacy’s.
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It wasn't a terrible movie, but I could tell it was rushed due to having to stay on schedule despite Bozman's death. I might check out Ant Man 3, but for the most part, I think I'm done with the MCU. Thanks to Disney, it's becoming way too woke for me.
The original script was supposed to be about a father and son relationship between BP and his child.
when they played the drums to open the " boarder wall " yea ...take that in for a second .. i literally spit my drink out laughing !!!!
I’ve never fallen asleep during a marvel movie before now. I don’t think I’ve ever been so bored
Someone skipped Eternals.
@@Fluffy6555 Is it even worth it? Must be even worst in plot
Balckpanther should have been re casted. I couldnt ignore the feeling that something major was missing during the entire movie
I thought Black Panther was selected via ritual combat? You can't tell me that there's anyway that tiny twig of a girl defeated ANYONE in combat without her tech. Also, wouldn't Tony Stark's daughter be a better choice as a character to fill his shoes? I guess she was too white.
The 360 wall movie is not new; it happened to me watching Birds of Prey/Harley Quinn movie thingy before the pandemic 😅
I think the best part about this is the people in the comments are coping so much despite the fact he isn’t even saying it’s a horrible movie. He even said it’s one of the better newer MCU movies. The movie itself was a disappointment that didn’t even know what it wanted to do and let’s be honest we expected it, the movie has had several rewrites due to sad the loss of Chadwick.
People are so weirdly attached to these properties that they will shill until their last breathe.
@Jay B agree. This film is woke corporate trash.
Coping? Most of the comments are also complaining about the movie for illogical reasons. They’re even complaining about parts of the movie that are comic accurate and complaining about things for not being comic accurate. 😂
@@F76CC which are.
I literally finished watching 6 hours worth of reviews
I literally don't see where the praise is coming from.
I was so bored.
@@LifenKnight what didn’t you like about the movie? Because “I was bored” isn’t a valid criticism, it’s a personal feeling with no logic applied.
Those jordan peterson bits had me in tears man
In the risk of being attacked by not knowing what is that from... In the 18th minute and half, there was a clip of a dog/wolf? What is it from damnit?
I agree 100% on the way the city is presented, I couldn't see anything in those scenes and it does Talokan a disservice
I was holding my head for half of the movie. It is not as bad as some people say, but it is definitely not as good as some are saying it.
14:35 ok but T'challa survived this without his powers during the fight with m'baku in the first movie, so ig the panther family is really resistant to spears, which is as consistent as this movie gets to the first one
I really didn't like the movie simply for the way it retcons Namor and the Atlanteans. As a lifelong fan of the comic books I have a very deep respect for the source material. And it's also a valid debate to have in that the Mayan civilization is ridiculously idealized in this movie. Slavery was widespread in Mayan culture and human sacrifice right up until the arrival of Europeans was practiced on on a scale almost unheard of in any other culture.
I can’t even lie there’s some serious nit picking in this video 😂
I think this was actually your best video yet! A really balanced, surprisingly fair, articulate, and funny review. You even caught a few issues I didn't because I was focusing on other flaws. More importantly, the review was respectful and also unapologetic in its appreciation for the first Black Panther and this films few positives. That's rare in this divisive time.
Sorry 🤷🏻♂️
Delete this asap, I don't want people to bully you for having an opinion. 🥺
You should be. The hell kinda take is this?
@@indominuswrex9465 a good one
@@indominuswrex9465 the truth noone wants to hear
Wokepanther sucks not sorry
Good movie, no.
Average movie, maybe
Better than all of phase 4, yeah