SX Statistician Clinton Fowler Honest Opinion on this years 450 Class...
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- čas přidán 7. 05. 2024
- My guest today is Clinton Fowler, the man behind the fantastic statistics that you hear each and every weekend on the Supercross broadcast as well as the fantastic online resource wewentfast.com and his own instagram @fowlerfacts. Clinton gave up his high-paying job at Microsoft developing the XBox to work in the action sports world with Red Bull and wound up developing the sports first detailed database almost on accident. I am a big storylines guy in the sport and no matter what story you throw Clintons way, he has a stat to either back it up or shoot you down. This was a highly enjoyable episode of the podcast with an extremely interesting and knowledgeable guy!
If you enjoyed the stats side of this show, you can sign up to wewentfast.com to get access to Fowlers great database and a ton of unique stories that I doubt you have ever heard!
appreciate the freshness and baseline of analytical knowledge that Fowler brings to the sport, if Supercross is going to ever try to be as big as any stick/ball sport he’s needed critically
I reflect back to the early to mid 80s and the field in 250cc supercross is epic. Take either 1984 or 1985 season, of past champions and champions to be.
Hannah, Glover, Bailey, Johnson, Dymond, Ward, Lechien, O'Mara, Barnett, Howerton, were all national champions. And a host of fantastic riders who were almosts. To string back to back championships......especially in supercross.....an extremely tough era in terms of who could win a title.
The deepest Era was 1980 t0 1992 without question!!!!
I think RC changed the game and showed that natural talent alone wasn't enough. All of the current guys work much harder off the track then they did in the days of MC, Bubba, or RC. I believe that changed with RC and THAT is what is responsible for the "depth of field" you are talking about today. The guys that don't have the natural talent of a Jett L. see that if they put in more work they can still by there at the end. Better physical shape results in longer careers.
RC, done it when whoops were whoops no bs , And men were men wore proper armour and fought for it! No jump to high no muff to tough !😂
Riders become more Professional, dedicated to SX/MX over the years, made it a job more, with a big goal 👌. The older generation bought the prestige of the sport, a younger generation has studied how to become an RC/MC etc. Live there dreams as a Professional Dirt rider. Got Pro guys in longer now, because they have dedicated a life to the sport/Career, have in mind opinion fastest SX/MX speeds from top 8/5 ever now, JS/RC speed and doing it easier.
If the rookies want to win, they gotta beat 10 past champions these days.
The deepest era was RC JS and CR era and the hardest to win races and a championship during that era, you basically had 3 Jett’s racing each other in their prime. And the “# of champions” argument is skewed as well because they were the ones always winning the championships and before them it was mostly MC. From 93-2009 we only had 5 champions total. 2010-2017 we had 2 more. If you asked me 2018 to present the skill level has evened out and there more parity between everyone, but I don’t see any RC JS or CR type skill level in todays racing, maybe Eli in his prime, but Eli is way past his prime.
Take your nostalgia goggles off and rejoin us in reality. The level of technique and speed is significantly higher now; Jett would have had a perfect season with RC, JS, and CR on the track.
The difference between now and then and why that older era is special was the tenacity of the riders or at least those at the top. Stewart once said he would rather win or die trying each and every race there was no big picture if you ain’t first you’re last mentality. Today’s riders smartly I might add do not ride like that and will settle for a second or third and take the points as a lot of their contracts are championship or points finishing structured and do not want to get hurt. I do miss the raw hold it wide open racing we used to have but I also remember James hitting the deck time and time again missing so much time over the course of his career and hating the sport at the end of it. Just the way things are these days.
Each of the top three guys was 2 full steps above the rest of the field. So they were all only really in danger of finishing 3rd at worse on any weekend. Definitely not the deepest. Maybe the most top heavy.
@@alondite215 JS7 would have died in a horrific crash on the track before that happened aint no way Jetts beating RC4 off the gate every race and CR22 would just make him cry 😂
@@alondite215 the technique and speed hasn’t really evolved, but the bikes and equipment sure has! Could you imagine JS7 in his prime on today’s bikes!? 🤯
Sexton won last year because of Tomac injury and then he jumped on a new bike, Tomac sucked this year clearly he is not the same, Anderson is riding past his prime, Roczen has never won a Championship don’t know why the hype with him. Webb is the only threat to Jett championship run but Webb has never been labeleas the fastest guy out there he relied on late charges when he was training with Aldon and he is no longer with him…
This is Jett moment but I dont feel the other riders beside Webb are really trying…
Every year they say “this is the most stacked lineup ever….” Is part of creating the hype
Villopoto era had 2 time champs on Reed and JS and then you add Dungey in there who won already as well… then you add young aggressive riders that had the hunger like Milsap , Barcia and later on young healthy Roczen who was winning races
I think right now there are better riders from 5-10 because older riders are staying longer but from 1-5 Villopoto era had better competition
A lot of very good points.
Back in the day the bikes were not plush recliner chairs they beat the hell out of you so you couldn't wait to retire
Jett came into the premiere class just when most of the guys he’s racing are old and well past their prime. Tomac, Barcia,, Anderson, Mookie, Graig and Roczen are all over 30. Webb and Plesinger are getting up there in age as well. Anderson won his SX Championship in 2018 when he was 24 and in his prime. That’s a long time ago now. It would be a whole different story if guys like Tomac, Anderson and Roczen were 24-25 yrs old and in their prime. Tomac outdoors in 2015 before he got hurt was at a level Jett isn’t at yet.
Yet the 2023 SX season was all about how unbelievably fast/epic/best-ever Eli and Chase were...
That's one year ago.
@@PeterReefman face it , Eli is an old man. An old man with kids. He’s still one of the fastest for sure. But he doesn’t have the drive anymore that he did when he young. He doesn’t have the willingness to take the risks it takes to beat the younger guys anymore. He can’t train as hard because his body doesn’t recover as fast anymore . He’s not in his prime. Jett will be kicking everyone’s ass for a long time because , other than Sexton and his brother, everyone else in the premier class is old and the only reason most of them are still there and not retired already is because most of these 250 guys are too busy milking out a career in the “up and comer” class. A lot of those guys, like Hampshire are already old as well. I don’t see any young guys moving up to challenge Jett any time soon. Maybe Kitchen, or Deegan in a few years. It’s gonna get pretty boring soon if the younger guys don’t step up. Hopefully Prado comes over and has something for him outdoors next year .
@@kroutmoto face it, the entire time Jett was dominating MX last year, the huge chant was "only because the best riders aren't there to whip his ass!"
Then when they all returned (except Eli), and didn't get near him, the chant changed to "only because Eli's not there!"
Then it was "Eli will whip his ass in SX!"
Then when that didn't happen it was "Eli just needs to recover more, then he'll whip Jett's ass!"
And now..."face it - they're all too old!"
BTW, Prado is awesome, but Jett's already shown at mxdn that he'll still dominate. And as for the 250 riders.... If they couldn't compete with Jett in his 250 MX/SX championships, what will the chant be?...
@@PeterReefman Jett is sandbagging in the vet Nationals. Stewart, Graig, Roczen, Barcia, Wilson, Anderson and Tomac are all over 30. Plessiger, Ferrandis, and Webb will be eligible for the Vet Nationals soon as well.
@@PeterReefman age is a very real thing and nobody beats father time. It remains undefeated….