Is The Hate MILLENNIA Getting Justified?
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- čas přidán 9. 04. 2024
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Millennia Is How Civilization SHOULD HAVE ALWAYS BEEN
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The problem, paradox changed some years ago company type to a stock company, and is fixed to a "one-tick business" model. Bring a base game, than many DLC, to keep "cash flow high" and stock curse high.
The problem, gaming market changed in the last 10 years, and with "early access" there is a business model, which completely undermine the "paradox formula".
People do not want a "base game" which needs DLC to become a well deserved game, they want early access, to get a well deserved game on release day.
Millennia is a game, which need a early access, to polish the edges of the game (combat screen, there should be a inbuild option to deactivate it), mod support on release, and simply 1-3 pre-made maps, like a simply world map.
And for this, we do not need DLC, they needed to be inbuild, if possible delivered over a early access.
@@aqvamarek5316 I agree. I enjoyed playing, but objectively the technical condition is far from what should be in the release.
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It's true that you rarely say something negative about your sponsored games. Now what's more likely; that you shill or that you select games for sponsorship that look like you might actually like them?
@@aqvamarek5316 This is true for Paradox as a developer, not always as a publisher.
As long as you're not pitching Established Titles or cigarettes to us, I think you're fine.
He's not even do a RAID sponsorship for ages xD
Those were super annoying
Proven a scam
Cigarettes are fine though.
@@Rickyhammer69 Indeed, I would like to know what cigarettes Ludi finds sponser worthy 😂
100% agree that both the Civ and Paradox games need a solid competitor to their monopolies. Good on you Ludi for making this
Sometimes games lack completion because the market is too risky. There are not enough fans of Paradox style grandstrategy games for anyone to compete. It a money losing prospect. Tge same seems to hold true for Civ. All the civ like games that come out don't even get a fair shake before fading away. That's also a money losing proposition.
I personally think Ludi makes excellent points in regards to the game’s strengths and weaknesses. I agree that civ has monopolised the market and isn’t innovating as much as they should be
He doesnt know, he didnt even played civ, civ vi is waaaaaaaaaay different than civ v... If he has 16 hours on civ vi i bet he didnt even touched civ v, he doesnt know what he is talking about lol
Not saying civ is perfect but he cleary is clueless about the game
Yeah, my adventure with 4X started with Call to Power, than I`ve played Civ 2,3,4,5,6, Endless Legend, Humankind. And I must say that Ludi has right that critics are too harsh and unjust for Millennia, but also he is unjust for Civ series. 6 is not 5 with better graphics, and 5 was not just 4 with better graphics.
@@welersoncarvalho2471 am not clueless about the game bud, I got a few hundred hours in civ5 and thousands in civ3 and 4. Civ6 was and is a disappointment in my opinion.
@LudietHistoria At launch for Civ6, I'd absolutely agree! But the two expansions have done *a lot* for civ6, and I've put in hundreds of hours, both SP&MP because of that. With that said, Millennia is definitely mechanically deeper and more diverse on multiple levels, but not all. The natural disasters, secret societies, barbarian clans, and corporations and industries game options are must-plays. Ludi, I'd definitely encourage you to give Civ6 another try as it has come very far! If for no other reason, than to shut up the haters 😉 I enjoy both Civ and Millennia (Millennia has huge late game performance problems tho), I also enjoy Humankind quite a bit, and my personal favorite of recent 4X "civ-like" titles has to be Old World. All these titles have good things about them and are/have been contributing to furthering 4X in different ways
It's got the PDX disease. Plenty of promise. It might be worth something in 5 DLC.
yeah, their games feel like patreon
It's worth at least 60-90 hours of enjoyable playtime as it is right now, in my opinion, having played the game myself. Worth the price, considering most full price AAA titles only offer about 30 hours of content at best.
Though that is a bigger problem with AAA than it is games in general.
I have over 1000 hours in terraria. I payed 9 bucks.
That's how these games work, initial releases are promising engine updates as titles get to old to maintain new dlcs with graphic and optimization rebuilds. I understand not liking it, but there is no realistic way to release a game as co plex as year 3 EU4 let alone current EU4 at launch.
@@goldenhate6649I love Terraria. But this is a false equvlency. I have 3000 hour in odds school Dwarf Fortress that cost me nothing. Is Terraria too expensive now? Or are we comparing vastly different things. I have uncount hours in minecraft, I paid 15 bucks for it in alpha. Is it suddenly bad because it costs more after years of updates?
This game does have unique mechanics. Thank you for the honest vid Ludi!
My pleasure!
I hope you read this Ludi 😁
I would like to see you make a video comparing Old World, Humankind, Millennia, Age of Wonders 4 and Civilization 6. If not all of them, maybe only the first three. I think it could be a good video and I'd certainly enjoy watching you explain and listening to your analysis on the games. It would be a different format than what your usual videos are and I think it could open up a new style for you. Your comments are very often spot on, so I think the silent majority (of which I'm usually a part of) would enjoy those as well.
I am so happy one day I met you in my youtube recommendations many years ago. I really enjoy just to watch you observing something or explaining. You are talented speaker (in case you did not hear it).
Ive been loving playing Millennia so far, definitely needs some tweaks like being able to get rid of enemy cities and clear cutting should be done via improvement points imo, but I'm really excited to see what they do with the first DLC which will add a hunter-gatherer phase of the game before the Age of Stone, qnd hopefully its more engaging than Humankind's first era
Yeah the terrain system is too fixed/immutable, I suspect it will be significantly overhauled in the first dlc which focuses on early stone age nomadism from its description
@@McHobotheBobo I'm also excited to hopefully be able to choose where my first region lands, not having a turn 1 settler to chose the spot is annoying but programming in an exception to how settlers work for the first one certainly would be annoying too so I get why it's this way lol
I haven’t got the game but it seems interesting. I would like to see more videos in the future
more to come
This game looks pretty fun ngl. I hope you continue this series because I'd really like to see more of it
This is my first video of Millennia i have watched and i have to say it doesnt seem as bad as some others have said it was. I wouldnt mind watching you play more of this.
Doesn't stellaris count as a 4x? It has all the 4 x's
I think most Stellaris players only focus on one, extermination.
Yes but Paradox *developed* that, this they've just published I guess??
Most? ALL OF THEM DO!
jaeh ludi forgot about it i guess stellaris is 4x
@@azpont7275 actually according to paradox data, xenophile egalatarian/pacifist is the mopst played combo.
bought the game and have not regretted the purchase, wish it would give a better MP mode but overall I'm happy with it.
That's coming in q3 I believe
What I would like is for millenia to do combat like Age of Wonders did, either go auto or min max by manually fighting something games dont do anymore
Yeah that would be cool
"Theyre not smaller but definitely smoother" lmfao that one got me
Thanks for the vid.
Was on the fence about this one. Gonna try it out this weekend.
One pf the best things about this game is that no matter what kind of start you get, there is ALWAYS a path to take to victory. Especially once you involve innovations
Humankind is still the biggest competitor to Civ imo. You can shape your country to the game, the graphics and UI are good, combat is interesting, and the devs are responsive to the community
About the price: I think 40 is a fair price for the game. It is already complete in itself. sure, it needs some polish in the UI department, but it doesn't feel like it got stuff cut from its content to then sell in a month as DLC. I hope they don't start selling single ages for 10 bucks.
The graphics are more on the simpler side, but that also makes them easier to read from a distance. have you ever tried to spot a hill in civ6?
Yes, the compat screen should be replaced with a result screen, possibly with a button to play the combat animation if desired. Also, an option under gameplay to hide that result screen as well.
Just like you, Ludi, I think Milennia is a good 4X game that can stand on its own. People might be frightened about the new contender in the genre and trying to slander the game for that just to justify having sunk so much time into the other title.
Great video!!!! Love it!!!
absolutely agree with your take on the 4x game market. A new competitor for civ will be good for everyone.
Thank you for this video. I really appreciate you taking the time to clear up some of my misunderstandings.
I definitely play for the mechanics not the graphics. I think it’ll give this game a try.
Good video bro, big up for Humankind and Old world and Civ BE and Civ 5 and 4 (and Civ 4 Colonization if anyone remembers that).
It's a great game, with really cool ideas.
I think the UI and some of the presentation is pretty poor which is a big reason for the "mobile game" comparisons, which are often made by people who haven't played the game.
It does feel like it should've released as early access though, because it certainly feels like an early access game.
Also yeah, Civ games have been getting worse and worse with each new iteration (for strategy enjoyers, not pretty gfx sim-city enjoyers)
Alpha Centauri remains the best Civ game to date!
I loved your gameplay!
Great video!
I only did one full playthrough and thought it's ok. Some areas are not fleshed out at all (looking at you, religion), but the city building feels big and satisfying, war is ok, progression is fun.
Considering everything, that I saw in this video and what I read around the internet about Millennia, I will eventually buy it when it's on sale.
My fellowe Civ3 and 4 fan. Woo
Also, spiff played millennia, and showed its a completly balanced game with no exploits
ofc he did lol
I like Humankind’s early age exploring, multiplying tribes, and killing mammoths en masse, so you start your first city way ahead of the competition and have like 6 cities to the AI’s 1 and just cruise to victory... 😂
You can even put everyone on science in the first city, rush reinforcements tech, and conquer a neighbour with Scouts you massed in Neolithic.
On a Medium size map with 3 continents + new world and a good start you can conquer the entire continent in Age 1 sometimes.
Give me more millennia, thank you my good sir
More to come!
Any full playthroughs of this game coming?
I hope you manage to success with your plans, I bet the achievement for forming the Roman Empire in that way, nobody else ever gets it
I love this game, In civ you play an established civilization, in Millennia you build your civilization
Enjoying the game and your videos. So many good features in the game and I would prioritize the development of diplomacy.
It's very refreshing to see someone not blinded by irrational hate to Millenia and Humankind just for their crime of being different from Civilization.
People also conveniently forget about the massive differences in budgets and amount of years spent on improving and expanding Civ games.
Thank your for the video.
I honestly don't think that teh combat screen should be removed. I think it's useful for figuring out which army composition works best in which situation. You can easily see how reasonable it is to attack melee units outside the wall with archers protected by a melee unit. Then switch to melee only for the walls as archers do nothing against them. And then switch back to archers for the garison units. It looks really shitty but it gets the job done. A result table doesn't tell you this. This us such a big upgrade compared to other pdx games in which you have to watch a guide or read a random reddit post to get the army composition right.
Ludi’s IRL Grand Strategy to restore Roman Empire. 😂
i do like millennia and i feel like its missing some options when starting but i am sure more will be added in time
Ogga bogga
The game might have a lot to walk still, but your roast of Civ V and VI is painfully on point. Good job!
In Vicky 3, how do you turn off private construction?
Also yoooo! Ludi have you tried the we the people mod for civ 4 colonization? It may give you the experience you really liked for civ 4, I know it did for me.
I like the game. The graphics are ok. Interesting production schema for region. It has a different perspective for gameplay, which I enjoy. I can't understand why there is only generated maps. For sure they will add it in some dlc
I want to see the crazy ages
Let the truth spread in internet ❤
Good commentary so far🎉
yesss!!!!! go ludi!!
I 100% agree that Ludi should mine asteroids on Mars, then re-establish the Roman Empire. And it all starts with good games. Absolutely logical.
I love that game really. I'm a big fan of civilization, but this game has something more
Not a copy, but the layout and some aspects are what you call, heavily inspired
I used to play Civ (all versions) all the time, but stopped when I found EU4. I like Millennium in the play tests. Might pull me back into 4x games! :)
Games that have low barrier to entry and a high skill cap is the perfect formula for any game.
Going to space, mining asteroids and reestablisihng the roman empire? Which bank account do I deposit to?
Agreed on barbarians, I love the early game hostility but by the 1800’s I shouldn’t be still hitting barbarian speed bumps with my destroyers.
Honestly I don't get the discourse around this game. People hating on the graphics, saying Paradox can do better, ignoring they're just publishing it, and it's developed by an indie studio who just focused more on gameplay over graphics. And I seriously don't get the people who seemingly can't fathom that someone could enjoy the game without being a shill. Do they really think that's the only reason people could like it?
Thank you for this comment. When did people forget publishers are a thing? Like C Prompt paid Paradox royalties to widen their distribution of their project. That how publishing works. No Paradox devs and no Paradox money went into this game unless they paid an up front investment into it to support completion. I think it's because of all the trash publishers that buy studios out right and thus own them I the traditional sense as opposed to the real way publishers are supposed to work.
Ludi throwing hands haha 😂 thanks for the honest review ludi
I’ve been playing Civ since the first one, and I fully agree that from brainpower perspective Civ VI is rockbottom. It started so promising, but after the whole unfortunate trajectory of Civ VI, I denounce FXS/2K as having slipped to the dark side. They need all the competition they can get. Millenia is such a breath of fresh air, the true candidate to become a worthy successor to the great Civ IV. It does need some work, but the foundation is great. Btw, I quite enjoy the combat videos 😊
@ludie have you checked out Guilded Destiny? It seems to be trying to compete against PDX in the grand strategy genre.
battle graphics(units and battle screen) is soo 90's, that push me back from that game, u right about battle screen, but i think if is done proper (graphics + more interactive) i would add some degree of immerse. I would like to see it improved (a lot) rather than dump
If only the game was half as good as its soundtrack. In true Paradox fashion, the game is about 5 DLCs before being good.
Everybody parrots that but that is not my experience 60 hours in. It is a complete game in its base form, and offers plenty of content starting out.
sry ludie but the first 4x by paradox is stellaris xD
We should all play civ 4 colonization we the people mod
sounds like a good idea
Age of wonders 4 is an amazing 4x that rivals civ and this 100 percent the combat alone
spot on civ4 is still the pinnacle of civ games
It is, the game was around 40€ i've been playing it non stop since release i enjoyed it much more than CIV6 mana and resource system made the game so much better
I’ve got 30 hours in the game so far and to be completely honest the graphics and all the mechanics and the whole game is really growing on me.
Why didn't they do combat like Chariots of War?
We haven't had a 4x do something like that in a while.
There's no direct control, but there is still user input.
because probably none of the devs even heard about that game...
"Do people who play 4x games for the graphics have smaller brains? No, but they're definitely smoother."
Classic
0:00 first 4X game by Paradox was Stellaris :P
I think the best way to do is to wait to buy it at discount in a year.
I really enjoyed humankind and think its a very underrated game. The combat alone makes it a better game to civilization
I also really enjoy Millenia! Late game lag/slowdown is massive though. Ages are cool, love the resource system, and the exp system. But yeah the game has significant flaws that can definitely be corrected. The first two dlc, at least to my mind, look to tackle the areas I'd say have the biggest issues, so I'm hopeful for the game but too much dlc reliance could mean a community never forms. Great potential! That said, no 4x game has managed to surpass Alpha Centauri - it's still the best to this day!
combat seems to be sponsored by raid shadow legends
100% agree with you on the general decline of Civilization from a mechanical innovation perspective.
I feel that they should really have went all in with the ‘low quality’ graphics and should have gone more for a stylistic style.
I feel the late game performance suffers quite a bit from the graphics they chose without it bringing much to the game or even taking away from it in the case of the combat.
I just want the ages to have a bit more time between them, and a little bit more flavor towards specific civilizations. Otherwise Rome, Persia, Egypt, etc are meaningless. And that feels bad man.
I really like millenia for what it brings to the 4X genre, the ages, national spirits and the different xp systems are very good.
However. It feels like an early access or a beta rather than a full release. The main things of the game work flawlessly, but there are lots of other things that feel extremely unfinished.
Apart from multiplayer not working, which I don't really care about, when starting a new game, there's no settings. You can't adjust the speed of the game, barbarian aggresiveness, terrain type or anything. You select map, and difficulty and that's it. Personally tech advances way too fast, specially being the most important resource in the game that you should be gunning for. You also can't delete or modify a custom nation. In general, the process of starting a new game feels half backed, like for testing purposes, more than fully featured. You can't even save the settings you previouisly selected, you need to set everything from the beginning over and over.
Then we get to the gameplay itself and it seems like some very basic features of the 4X genre of the last 20 years are missing. There is no auto-explore feature for units. There is not a "one more turn" continuation after victory. There is also the fact that units stop when they reveal another unit, even it was not in their path. Not only do I need to explore manually, but I also have to issue the same move command 20 times. For me that's the most annoying aspect of the game.
For me graphics and UI are not that important, appart from some nested tooltips missing that would be very useful, it not great but it works. I don't care personally too much about it.
Something else that annoys me to no avail, is how vassals work, or rather, don't work. Vassals and city estates don't play like a one city nation, they do nothing, train no units and when they're vassals they grow artificially due to a special meter or something. On top of that, they produce lackluster resources, particularly xp and tech, the two most important things in the game. I did a full game around vassals and I started getting behind severily. They seem like an afterthought and need to ve severly improved.
Something else that annoyed me is how laggy the game gets past the 150-200 turns, it feels severily unoptimiced.
And STILL, I think it can be a great game, with lots of potential. But I'm sick tired of "full releases" of early access games. Of Give me your money and we might later fix the game and finish it...
Don't buy it yet, unless you realice it's an early access and that's fine with you, which can be, as the game is relatively bug free and has interesting mechanics.
Thanks Ludi. I agree with you about your take on Civ 3/4 vs 5&6. Maybe once the Millenia is on sale I'll give it a shot. (Broke af 😂)
Iv played mm allot but the lack of custom option is the biggest draw back and it will get better but yeah it doesn't even remember your last settings so every time you replay you have to adjust the settings its just really annoying even with the lack off settings you can choose .
I really like this game but yeah it will need a few dlcs and free patches to shine sadly :(
Fun. Whenever something is new and brings new ideas its hated but then if its the same game it also gets hate. Welp
Its in my list to games to play, All I see about the game its look pretty fun. And also Ludi spit facs, CiV 3 es a best CiV ever :3
Damn it Ludi, you made me... get the game and try it (salutari de "acasa", intelegi tu). 3rd day and still going, this game is pretty good, I'm already in the Space Race, so yeah, I played a lot). I need to play a lot more to get a better grasp, there's sooo many options, but I agree with almost everything you said. I never played civ, but I have some experience with other Paradox games, I've played some Humankind, a looot of Age of Wonders and Endless Space 2, so I don't know, I just like it. I will mention my 2 main gripes so far: the combat stuff is horrible, they need to add an auto-skip option and the ability to see the fight (why?) only if you want to (in the current state, again, WHY?). And the game is a slog later when it comes to unit movement. Other stuff seems to work fine (guess AI turns are also slowish late game, but I've seen worse).
Edit: ok, 3 things, barbarians need to be toned down sheesh.
Bonus: more options for game start, this thing feels almost beta in this regard
Can we expect some more videos for Millennia?
Ludi, which one do you like better between Humankind, Millenia and Old World? Btw, I also agree that Civ peaked at Civ 4, my favorite Civ game by far. 5 and 6 were just off for me.
Not a bad game, feels just different enough from Civ 1-6 and has decent replay value. Hopefully devs will adopt publishers long term dlc model, I think this game can really benefit from more ages, domains, events and so on. Only truly disappointing thing is a combat screen, would be way better if there is an option to replace that by combat result, maybe with text combat log. Because as it is now it sits between of abstract depiction and decent graphics, right in the middle of bad 2000's flash game.
My response to Ludi saying that it is extremely different from playing Civilization and that I have not played the game. I will say... I have not... but I did watch your video. It looks like you bought a Ford Pinto and then used an engine conversion kit to souped-up your rear end explosion vehicle with a V8 Hemi and a loud exhaust system maybe even some airbags and a moderately ok radio for the boom boom bass. Graphically, the map layout looks like an attempted throw back and then upgrade in a very slightly different direction, but it still looks like a pinto. They just put more resource pools, techs, ages, and development paths. Armies have a better design. Something that Civilization should have done.
I'd really like to play the game, but unfortunately I've only got a Mac at the moment, and for some reason Millenia doesn't run on Macs only PC. Which is weird since all other paradox games run on OS.
Isn't Age of Wonders 4 is the first 4X Paradox game?
Whom do you serve?
SA RU MAN
The game just came out, for a type of game that can be improved via DLCs, I'd say that waiting a few months is necessary to see if "hating" the game is justified.
Just want you to know that you have at least one follower from Pompei ❤
no of my friends wanna play with game with me and the only reason i hear from everyone is the battleview ... guys i think they nealry halfed their sales with that feature xD if its not in the game anymore this would have been so much better xD
My biggest issue with Millenia is the late game performance. Mechanically it's very unique and satisfying, and I personally am not fussed about the graphics.
As someone who's been playing and enjoying plenty of Millenia myself and also found Civ 6 to be rather dissapointing, I'd love to see you play Millenia on your channel more often, alike your EU4 videos. I think the game is gonna have a strong future ahead of it, as many Paradox games do.
Just hope my wallet can survive another one-
After 32 hours played. Wait, Unrest is shown there?
Also yes, far far far too many barbarians
I'm worried about the balance of the game, yes it is realy complex, but that means that it's easier to break. Anyway I hope it will be a balance game with not expoit. But I wanna try it before judge it
Ludi, couldn't agree more with everything you said except for humankind. Did not like that game at all. This game is also getting more hate just because it has the Paradox name as well. I am enjoying the game and want it to succeed.
The first civ was also graphically underwhelming. My cities were glorious though, at least in my mind. What the game didn't tell me graphically, I told myself in my mind. So yeah: this is brain entertainment more than it is eye candy. For the record, I haven't bought Millennia. I think I will at some point, but I need to be absolutely sure it runs on steam deck before any purchase is made.
The game has some great ideas and reuses some mechanics from older civ games (mainly Call to power) in a better way than they did.
The fact though that even before its release you could see two DLCs listed for the future, makes me not want to buy the game.
Some may be ok with paying 300 bucks for a full experience, but there are a lot of games out there that offer more, for far less.