WHAT MORE DOES LEBRON NEED TO DO?! - Alan Hahn on MJ-LeBron GOAT debate | Get Up
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- WHAT MORE DOES LEBRON NEED TO DO?! - Alan Hahn on MJ-LeBron GOAT debate | Get Up
Tim Legler and Alan Hahn join Mike Greenberg on Get Up to discuss the 1st round of the NBA playoffs, the LeBron James vs. Michael Jordan GOAT debate and what the Los Angeles Lakers will have to do in order to pull an upset against the 2-seed Denver Nuggets.
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0:00 Who Ya Got?
2:40 What must the Lakers do to pull off an upset against the Nuggets?
3:40 Could LeBron James pass Michael Jordan as the GOAT with another title?
7:15 More or Less?
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When will ESPN find out we’re tired of hearing goat debates that they’ve fabricated?
The moment you stop commenting and watching these clips.
@@LyricalMurderer1 just hoping the intern who posts this reads it haha
Exactly, no one would think lebron is in the goat debate if ESPN didn’t overrate his whole career
@@cesar_malca1224 he won 4 chips with three different teams and dominated a conference for an entire decade or more. You are a nobody Malca…
@@cesar_malca1224man you must be a genius
They said if he wins the title with. Cleveland. They said if he comes back from 3-1. They said if he wins a title with his third franchise. They said if he wins the bubble chip. They said if he wins the scoring record. These are all of the same commentators who push this.
And then downplay it everytime
none of those made Lebron pass MJ in the goat debate. Less rings than Kobe and same as Steph, way less accolades than MJ. Make it make sense
@@ryankayombya7576 yep commentators are influenced just as much as fans peer pressure
@@ChrisFlips from a basketball perspective. The question who’s the better player.
@@mgpray that's basically the whole debate isnt it? If you're talking about it coming down to 1v1, MJ clears Lebron. If you're talking about team game, sure Lebron can take it, but it still didnt translate to more winning. I'd say majority still taking MJ over Bron to build a team around
If you need a network to campaign daily for you as the GOAT, then you are not the GOAT.
A huge point that most will say doesn’t make sense
💯💯💯
@@davidbischof285 That was the weakest argument. Try harder
then jordan is not the goat cuz he released the last dance
@@Kubush1as a person who has Mike number 1 how can you call his argument weak but agree with the one at the top?🤔😂
The disrespect for OKC is nuts
They’re really young with not much experience. Obviously are talented bro
Nobody worried about him
Why?? Because they're simply the 1 seed ??
They are out in the second round easily lmao. The only team they can beat is the shitty Pels
These Lebron fans/stans are trying so hard to X out MJ as the 🐐
It’s Pitiful!
@@DrawnUp70 It’s pitiful that y’all think Mj is any way shape or form better than Lebron lmao
@@Eazzy-ze8ml Lebron needed the NBA help for 2 chips. Suspending Draymond for name calling. Then next game foul out Steph as he started to cook. Then the bubble year lakers were toast. NBA media is desperate, lame and full of a$$ ki#^÷s.
@@Djangoisbackthe bubble year lakers were 1 seed 80% of the year and lebron would’ve won MVP, people just be talking
@@Eazzy-ze8mlall advanced stats back it up
simple, all Lebron needs to do to become the goat is to invent time travel and go back in time and beat Jordan in his prime, one one-on-one. That's the only way people will accept him as the goat
Someone happened to retire the moment he was coming in. Just like green lighting the last dance documentary on the day of the Cavs 2016 parade. One guy gives props to the young guys, the other criticizes and hides.
🤣🤣🤣💯💯💯
Counter point; Lebron doesn’t even have a better chance than Kobe on the GOAT debate… He has the same number of rings, but Lebron had to change teams 3 times in order to do it…. Kobe stayed with one team and achieved the same success in less time.
Lebron is easily the greatest player of his generation. That’s it. That’s what he is. He is FAR from the greatest player of all generations.
If Lebron won 7 championship, I don't think people will argue anymore.
@@jjballers81 yeah it’s not like he was 40. And Mike is on record giving props to players who came BEFORE and after him. That other guy has disrespected past players numerous times.
I’m so tired of hearing this debate 😂
Exactly...hes played for over 20 yrs and is STILL chasing Jordan
Literally more of everything. More rings, more mvps, more finals mvps, more scoring titles, at least 1 dpoy award and the list goes on. The only thing hes got more of is total points and thats because hes been in the league for 100 years.
So you diminish that he’s the all timing scoring leader at his age? A record that nobody thought achievable, let alone passing it. Cmon man. If you truly love basketball then you have got to respect that. Lebron has just as much accolades as Jordan does. Lebron has dominated differently than MJ did.
Kareem has more of everything than Jordan so he’s the goat?? Same rings, more mvps, more points, etc?? See how dumb you sound bringing up rings
@@theinflluence Kareem Had A fellow Top 10 Player of All time with him. He wasn't always the best player on his Ring Teams. MJ the GOAT. Bye you forgot 6x steals leader, 10x Scoring Title, DPOY.
@@theinflluence I wouldn't have a problem if you think Kareem is the goat. He's got the rings and MVPs. There are only 3 players with at least 6 chips and 5 MVPs. They are the goats. Put them in whatever order you want but stop trying to crowbar people who haven't won as much in the conversation. Jordan averaged more ppg, if he played 21 years LeBron would still be chasing
Bron never won dpoy
Mike did all his winning in 15 years. . Bron about to play 21 years still chasing Mj legacy
Mike also looked like a poor man’s Stacey Augmon in DC.
@VoteForBukele L take! If tht was true lebroom still wouldn't be chasing the ghost
@@furiousstyles81 I’m not hyping James up. I’m just not gonna pretend Jordan is some infallible Demi-god because I actually witnessed his entire career. Half of 23’s dickriders are kids who weren’t old enough to understand what they were watching. The other half are old farts living in the past. Which are you?
90s was big trash.
@@moonoo2353during Lebron’s time on the Cavs was considered the weakest era in nba history. He would do well all season and playoffs only to get slapped around in the finals. Was the West so much superior to the east or was the east just weak?
The bubble championship? The Bubble championship is worth less than an MVP award.
Nba been rigging games for LeBalco James
Lakers shouldn't even be in the playoffs...history will look at the free throws..2 seasons of free unearned shots is wild..refs bugged tf out
Facts last year and this year.
of course, they should, they draw fouls; that's one component of playing the game.
@@1212CSmith😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 draw?
@@1212CSmith drawing fouls is one thing...this ain't that yo
@@Djangoisbackbro stop embarrassing yourself 😂 if goat James lakers are trash why you people talking about them 😂 you just agree with anything kid
They really keep trying to force this convo 😂 bruh. If you just watch with your eyes, you know that ship has sailed.
Not only sailed but crashed and burned
@@carpentelliswatson9288 No it actually sailed perfectly.
exactly like mj been passed since 2016, leave it alone
@@Christappedin🧢
@@Christappedin bruh.. you must be on drugs 🥴😂 MJ will forever be the Goat 🐐 and if there is a baby goat, it’s Kobe Bean… watch more tape 👌🏽
I’m sick of the narratives these shows constantly push out. You’ve got other players that are currently playing that you could develop stories around more than this dumb argument every single day. The nba needs to market other players and not focus on the same argument that many feel isn’t an argument at all. You still chasing a ghost after 21 years?? How many chances you get to try to be a goat after how many flame outs?
😮💨😮💨 I concur
Your right it’s not an argument They beat the best team ever, it’s not debatable, todays nba shits on Mjs nba, and if you don’t think so then clearly your not a true fan of the game.
But if/when they win, they will say it was all Lebron. And if/when they lose they will do what you said. The media doesn't believe in accountability for the players they adore.
@tylersprings3653 how is that the best team all time when they got beat? 🤔
If it's still a conversation at year 21...Lebron won.
Jordan has 1 more MVP, 2 more FMVPs, 2 more rings, 4 more 1st team All Defs, 11 more stat titles.
And the crazy part he did that in 6 less seasons played which is actually MORE impressive than compiling longevity stats.
jordan played worse competition. rings are a team accomplishment. 10 scoring titles while leading the league in shot attempts 9 times is not more impressive than 40k while never leading the league in shot attempts. and last I checked lebron got all his finals mvps just as jordan did. only he did it with 3 different teams and played harder competition in the process.
It's sickening that they actually fooled the sheep for over 10 years, not even a debate like seriously
Guess Bill Russel is your GOAT
@@sportstalkonly1442 exactly people acting like Jordan had comp because his comp was whooping him in the 80’s and Jordan didn’t start winning until they got old
@@sportstalkonly1442 worse competition?!?! Stop it
Jordan is in a class of his own, period.
Facts
The league 6:33 players are way better.. with jordan play style and mindset he wouldn’t had be able to take the teams Lebron had and had to play against to win championships. Thts just facts
@@daylonted4553 lol
He is. He quit the game twice.
@@daylonted4553Anyone who types "facts" has none.
5:03 Nuggets in 5. They're better than the Lakers, and Jokic can't be stopped by the Lakers. They need to stop with this GOAT nonsense talk. Jordan is the GOAT. 6-0 in the finals and a 6 time finals MVP.
Yall mean the refs right? When the Lakers get double the free throws of every team they play that's a 15 point cushion
Refs are going to give the Lake show some really generous calls to keep them around
Funny would be a series LeFlop against Embiid. Who would get the most free calls????
What is ESPN and Talentless folk like Greenie do when Lebron retires in a few??? They go to this well FAR TOO often. And they wonder why NBA ratings are DOWN while Popularity is UP its SH!T like this. So many young talents out there who dont get talked about so these oldheads can talk MJ vs Bron EVREY week.
This man scored 8 points in an nba finals game in his prime and was outplayed by the Dallas mavericks 6th man Jason Terry. Like seriously how can that be the goat?
MJ got swept in the first round. Like seriously how can that be the goat?
I’m not even saying lebron is definitively the goat but you holding one series that was 13 years ago against him as why he can’t be the goat is ridiculous. Look at the whole body of work.
@@BetweenTheLines3 that’s a part of the whole body of work…. You can say MJ got swept all you want, he wasn’t the reason they got swept. Lebron was the reason Miami lost to the Mavs. When debating who the GOAT is; you’re going to have to bring things like 2011 up and Mike has absolutely NOTHING on his resumè like that🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Michael Jordan is the GOAT
@@BigBoss04211-9 without Scotty btw
@@jaidenknight2358and LeBron 4-10 with to many all stars to name your point
This is really just silly. Most people think Lebron is one of the best to ever play the game...
So some don't think he is THE best. (In fact, judging by most polls, most don't think that...)
Why does that matter?
Why do some people think that everyone has to agree or else something is wrong?
Different eras, different rules, different perspectives. It's the definition of subjective.
That's just weird that some people are so bothered by it...
Weird idea maybe win more than lose cuz stats ain’t giving wins
So Russell is the GOAT
@@shermandudley5548 he's not, he won Finals MVPs shooting 36% and averaging 13 points a game 😂 you gotta be great in multiple areas not just rings bruh
So do you only count losing in the finals as a loss? Cause getting swept in the first round or losing before the finals is less impressive than actually getting to the finals to me
@@BetweenTheLines3 2nd place doesn’t matter in any game. I’m counting the only thing that matters in sports and Jordan did more in shorter length of time I dont care if lebron plays 25 years with superstars around him all he will have is stats..Winning is all that matters without referring to finals losses..and what does losing in the first round have to do with it?? What happened when he got a good team around him? 6-0 that’s called unbreakable…it’s how you finish not how you start ask anyone
@@jasonpippin9948 Gotcha. So winning is all that matters. I thought you were talking about MJ but Bill Russell is your goat then.
There’s nothing he can do,he’s the 2nd greatest of all time and should be happy with that accomplishment
3rd all time. Kareem is GOAT. LeBron barely broke his record. Kareem spend 4 years in college. Made dunk get banned. He had no 3 point era.
LeBron = Volvo. Not best car. just reliable.
hes the goat and will retire as the goat. keep living in the past.
Weird that you disagree with MJ about that
@@triplekillerable Kareem is never talked about as the GOAT. Thank you for talking sense. I've always had him and MJ up there. They are the GOATS.
@@jacobwilkie241 Of course he is talked. You can search ESPN on that and see many of that. Just because Stephen A's personal GOAT is MJ, doesnt mean it's for everyone and Stephen A, who thinks MJ is argument made a case for Kareem being GOAT on ESPN.
LeBron is VOLVO. Just because you are giving your customers more mileage guarantee than Mercedes - BMW , doesn't mean you're better than Mercedes - BMW.
Meanwhile Kareem was both. He was best, nobody could stop him and he lasted into his 40s.
With 20th Century science and TOUGHER nba where people get blood on their faces.
Also, his work on social justice gave new people like MJ, LeBron a platform to perfect their life and skills. Black peoples, Kareem's own home was vandalized that time. He did all that in that environment
So bring your argument, or stfu? But your parents werent even born that kid so stfu :)
And by the way nobody takes that Bubble Championship serious, especially when opponents got COVID
I also take the bubble serious taking kawhi flippers choked a 3-1 lead trying to win that same championship
@@devontacosby8593exactly. If clippers won it, LeBron and the lakers won’t hear the end of it 😂
@PolandSOulxBo one take that serious 😂 It’s called the “Disney finals” for a reason 😂 No crowd. No fans. No energy. No travel. No home court. No one-the-road. It’s literally in a bubble of its own 🤡
@@GourSmith so why did the flippers choke a 3-1 lead to win that championship 😂😂 like don’t discredit the bubble championship because everyone thought the flippers were going to win😂 but since they choke and the lakers won it now it doesn’t count 😂 just think about it you can say it doesn’t count but it’s still a ring and a banner
@@devontacosby8593That’s genuinely adorable. Enjoy your bubble championship at Disney world 😂 They were a first round exit the following year, then went 33-49 the year after that and didn’t qualify for playoffs. And they’ve been a play-in team ever since then. It was a Disney dream encapsulated in a bubble. LeBron will never see another finals unless it’s on his couch in his mansion or in the stands as a spectator.
So if you’re gonna magnify of he wins a chip now you also have to magnify if they get swept . It’ll hurt his legacy , you can’t say “ohh he’s 38 so of course he got swept “ if the lakers get swept he should move down in the conversation .
Alan Hahn or Alan Who?? Anyway you know what he needs to do? 2 more MVPS, 2 more rings (3 in my opinion as the bubble don't count), many more 1st team all defense, a DPOY and lead the league in scoring 9x times. His longevity stats can count for some of that. But he's still literally a HOF career away from MJ. This "debate" never existed until Klutch lead by LeBron and ESPN spoke it into existence.
If the Lakers lose in the first round it’s time to move on from Lebron .. he can finish out his career in Miami or Cleveland
Holding a 39y/o to a prime standard against the defending champs is CRAZY
NO it is the defending champions idiot.
@@AiRxJoNeSfinished 7th, 7th, 11th, 7th, 1st, and 10th in the west all of LeBron s years with the lakers. One chip after a few months break from COVID. Didn’t qualify 3 years, first round exit and a sweep in the western conference finals bc they avoided the nuggets and suns until the conference finals last year. If AD never joins the team there’s no chip and probably some more play in losses or DNQs. Its normal to expect more out of your best player when you invest a bunch in them, regardless of their age.
@@trd1593 To say the lakers avoided suns and nuggets last year means you work in the LA organization, if not it’s just speculation. “If AD never joined” is hypothetical and pointless bc we know bron was getting older and he needed a #2 to compete for chips just like any team would need to compete.
The only thing I expect from bron is to be consistent which he has shown his career. Prime bron is a 28ppg player and with given age at 39y/o, I expect 24ppg. Expectations falls on AD and the rest of the team which I believe is solid this year. Enough to beat the nuggets…. maybe but def a better performance overall than last year haha
@@AiRxJoNeSLebron is held to a high standard considering some people thinks he’s the goat. Lebron is the leader of that team, don’t use age as an excuse now, I understand he’s not in his peak anymore but he’s being held to the highest level. When they get bounced it’ll be “Lebron is 39 almost 40years old”. If they win “Lebron is 39 years old, he’s the goat, nobody is doing this etc etc”
Let’s start with making the playoffs, what does literally every other team you ignore to cover the lakers do? What do they have to do to get you talking about the teams worth talking about
They’re in the playoffs genius.
He’s already in the play offs lil bro
@@kevinbaksh6492 @jjballers81
Granted yeah, with the help of the play in. Last impressive thing lakers did since the bubble was beating the grizzlies in the playoffs. The warriors were actually a good matchup for them. I’m not a LeBron hater, I’m hating on the lakers lol. I’m a kings fan, and I’m mostly just hating on espn for biased media coverage. All they talk about is lakers, knicks, warriors. If they win they get praised, if the situation is negative, they still talk about them. Have they had a real magic segment? Even the Celtics are treated as a B team in terms of coverage. Cavs, wolves, thunder? All worth a conversation, they have stuff to talk about. But nah let’s to 8 straight hours of different peoples takes on the same 3 teams.
@@EkillOrRyanthey were the 8th seed , without the play in they’d still make the playoffs …..?
@@khalidlong6069 yeah. The eighth seed. That’s not comfortably winning the playoffs.
LEbum got booted out of the GOAT debate when he choked against an ice cream vendor named Barea and a bench player named Terry in 2011
Most points stat is a dumb stat when you lose more than you win.
Has to stop being a blame deflecting diva who throws his teammates under the bus, never takes accountability, and sits games out against bad teams. He is not even top 20 all time
You don't watch basketball.
Please watch basketball you clown
Start a podcast
Eddie house just called him out for his 8 points in the finals
We found the absolute moron of the day 👍
Alan Hahn is ridiculous winning with three different teams is impressive but that still doesn’t overlap what Jordan had done. Lebron has longevity but that’s it.
He is not better than Kobe ffs yet alone MJ
Both of yall are dumb and delusional
@@blicleak1101 I’m guessing people use the argument that his stats make him all rounded player which he true ,he is a better passer than mj and rebounder. But that’s being said if your stats don’t lead to wins then they are considered empty stats. So how can a man accumulate all that from playing so long and be compared to somebody that did more in less time. I think lebron James know too that he can beat mj outright to its the longevity game and getting his stats up.
@@blicleak1101 ofc he is better then kobe stfu u are right about jordan tho
@@blicleak1101Kobe litteraly doesn’t have anything on lebron besides 1 more ring
The GOAT debate is Jordan, Kareem, Lebron. Jordan and Kareem have 6 championships a piece, Lebron has 4. Jordan finals record 6-0, Kareem 6-4, Lebron 4-6. Jordan finals win-loss record 24-11, Kareem 29-27, Lebron 22-33.
I'm not even including guys with 5 championships, 4 championships, or Bill Russell. Since if you're ALSO looking at stats, the separation from guys with elite stats IS the finals record and championships.
If you DO include guys with 4 or 5 championships, there's guys like Magic, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Curry. All of whom, posted elite stats and have winning finals records. Lebron belongs in this category and is therefore not the GOAT.
GOAT has been generational now IMO. Certain ages say Bron, certain say MJ. I got Kareem & MJ TIED, followed by Bron. If Bron wins #5 he'll further cement his stellar career. 😮
So if he goes out in the 1st round again are we going to continue this pointless debate?
Didn’t mj get bounced out in the first round 10 times to bron one. Y’all people so biased and stupid lol
@@MaNuELLiFesdisnt lebron choke in the 2011 finals? With the best team at that but you call bias lol. Also Jordan never got bounced first round 10 times tf you talkin about
@wileykyles9943 at the end of day he lost to dirk and dirk is better than anyone jordan has ever faced, kawhi is also better and jokic and steph, they're all better than anyone jordan faced
@@wileykyles9943 1-9 without pippen in the first round. Finals opponents no where close to brons. Pass first guy to be all time leading scorer and also Mike won his first ring at the age of 28 but somehow you guys expect him to win from his rookie season. FOH
@@speedylucero93 meth is a hellva drug man. So dirk better than magic better than barkley better than kemp and payton better than stockton and malone? Say you dont know basketball without telling me you dont know basketball smh
he doesnt need to do anything. when he scored 8 pts in that Dallas -finals and had a meltdown coupled with 2 finals sweeps.MJ is far superior from Leflop
2007 finals.....got swept while kobe beat that same team the next year in the western conference finals. 2009.....lost to the Orlando magic in 6 games while kobe beat that same in a gentleman sweep in the finals that year. 2010......got beat by the Boston big 3 top 3 75 nba players all time 3 HOF and quit on his franchise....Kobe beat that same team in the finals that year with no other top 75 nba player. to put the cherry on top, 2011, 2014, and 2018
What about coming back from 3-1 in the finals against the greatest team in NBA history?
@@maxb4318compare the team Lebron was on in 2007 to Kobe’s team
@johnnyboy1237 That wasn't the greatest team in NBA history. If they were, they would have won it. Greatest team is still the 96 Bulls.
@@BTNInvestmentsthey didn’t win moron because they played the greatest player lord god yall are dumb
He needs to have consecutive 7 Finals Title + 7 FMVP.. to bump MJ's throne.. until then, he just running for 2nd place...
LeBron’s greatest claim is making 8 straight Finals and losing 5 of them. Give me the 6 for 6, more MVPs, more Finals MVPs, more iconic games from MJ.
DPOY, a 3 peat, retire for 18 mos come back and do it again….. nothing major
Problem with this debate is Bill Russell is the real Goat. 11 Rings, #6 retired thruout the league so show proper respect when talking about the Goat 🐐. But between Jordan and LeBron what is confusing? Jordans Legacy is greater based on the finals results. 6-0, compared to 4-6. Yes LeBron has done more work on the court that's not debatable, but his finals losses hurt his position because we play the game to win and LeBrons finals win percentage and only having 4 rings destroys his position in the Goat debate. Compared to Jordan, his debate is witch is greater the 6wins or 0 losses(simple)...# Megatron #
Russell is the greatest winner, but he's not the Goat because of Wilt. You can argue Russell wasn't even the best at his position when he played. Compare the years they were in the league together from Wilt rookie year to Russell last year (60-69). Wilt had just as many MVPs, more NBA 1st team selections, more scoring titles, more rebounding titles, and Wilt even led the league in assists 1 year. Even head to head Wilt dominated but Russell had the better team usually and just managed to pull out the win. Russell and Wilt ain't in the Goat debate because of each other (Wilt was better, but Russell won more).
Jamal Murray’s coming out party as an NBA star was the bubble post season. Bro has either been injured or balling ever since.
If i were the Lakers. I would focus on the rest of the Nugget's team not allow Jokic to get any assist. Lock down murray , jackson jr etc.. i wouldn't really double Jokic because he would fall back to his assist strenght. If the Nuggets is going to win let Jokic do all the hard work let him be the only factor for them to win. Every single game. He can't have a good game every night. I would work him out. Let the win factor depends on him to score high points while we lock the rest of the team. He will be exausted and wanted to uses his assist skill which is what i was doing in the first place to prevent.
I hope the Denver Nuggets smashes the Lakers again! The amount of coverage that the Lakers and this guy still get is beyond ridiculous at this point. I don’t even have a dog in this fight, but the disrespect towards Denver is just on another level. 💯
LB simply is not Mike! Cut it out!!!
& Mike not bron ..
@@robnot49obviously 😂
Why would he want to be compared to a lesser player? Cut it out
I’m cool with you saying that now even though I disagree but you legit could only be considered a hater if he wins this year and you still say that! There’s no other way to slice it!
You're right. LeBron is better than Mike.
bron been the goat since he came back down 3-1 against the greatest 73 win team
Stop comparing the two. I was a preteen when Jordan started his finals run, and I've watched the Lebron era. These two are very different. Just enjoy the game folks
Real simple it's all about championships we play to win championships
*Bill Russell: hold my 11 rings*
@@Terror832 Exactly! These goofball always talk about rings, but forget about Bill's 11. Bron the 🐐. People just want to Find reasons why he isn't. It's much harder to win 4 with 3 different teams and it's much harder to be the All time leading scorer. Jordan never did any of those.
@@BigDred_Tv they immediately move the goalposts everytime you hit them with the Russell 11 ring combo special.
They’ll say “8 teams”, “how many rounds”or “how many scoring titles”.
It’s like it doesn’t matter if there were 8 teams or 800 teams in the league. 11 rings is 11 rings and nobody can erase that on any website unless someone wins 12 and that someone ain’t Jordan and certainly not LeBron either.
@@BigDred_TvBill Russell played against plumbers and janitors
@@MacStopHating so by that metric, then LeBron has played against far better competitors than Bill or MJ. Now what's your argument?
Why are the media trying to force Lebron as the goat? He’s never gonna surpass Michael Jordan. This is literally forcing the convo onto us
Cope harder. Lebron >>>>
He's the closest guy after MJ retired to him in terms of all-time impact. By your logic, they should just stop the NBA since the goat is no longer playing.
Lebron has pretty clearly passed MJ at this point. Theres other guys with more than 6 rings however there’s nobody that has had the career Lebron has. He’s a 1 of 1 and there’s nobody like him. Pretty clear goat at this point.
The media is literally old heads that nostalgia has them practically in love w mj.. when kids grow up and look at the actual games not highlights mj played , they will know he's hyped up
@@aidanbogursky2581I am sorry but the goat wouldn’t have choked against Jason terry in 2011. Lebron literally scored 8 points the one game. Jordan would never. That’s your goat. That’s one of the weakest goats ever plus 6 finals loses is crazy.
Nothing at all. LeBron and everybody else needs to stop worrying about being the GOAT. It ain't happening. He just needs to enjoy his absolute greatness and legacy that's already created... 👑
Jordan is the 🐐 Emperor
LeBron is the 👑 King
Jamal Murry's coming out was definitely in the bubble....Ppl are quick to forget the 50pts games that the guys was dropping in that playoff
The fact that they have to make an argument for Lebron goes to show that he isn’t the goat
The bubble championship? Is this guy fn serious lol
Right? Teams in the bubble had 4 months to get healthy and didn't have to travel. Yeah, it's a 'ship, but it loses something. Aside from that, he's 3-6 in the Finals. And miss me with the "but he went to 8 straight finals"...
Does anyone give the bills credit for just making it to the superbowl several years in a row?
Players said that was the hardest ship to win
@@robertcampbell4063the fact teams were healthy and locked in makes it even more impressive imo
Yes there is a reason they are still talked about and they never won lol LeBron won goofy @@Djangoisback
Earlier this year the Lakers had an upset win over the Celtics when LBJ and AD did not play. What went under the radar was that in that 7 point win the Lakers shot 19 from 26 free throws The Celtics shot 7 from 7
Against the Pelicans LBJ got 10 free throws while AD also got 10
The Refs will give the Lakers a significant advantage so there could be an upset but I'm still betting on Nuggets
Lebron has to still do more to put him in that discussion 😀
Respect for TL, he can only SAY SO MUCH
Why does the GOAT debate come down to the question "what more does LeBron need to pass Jordan", rather than "what the two of them need to pass Bill Russell"?
Bill is worse than both
@@BrightNights645 Only if you know very little about his career and 60s in general. Otherwise there is no way that Bill Russell is anything less but GOAT.
What if hali wins it all😂😂
Best pacer ever
I appreciate the truth on the debate... no matter what LBJ does people will like whom they like. I can respect that. Just stop moving their goalpost.
Picture this: MJ and LeBron, they’re like the two biggest continents in basketball, you know? MJ, he’s got that old-school dominance, like the OG continent, laying down the foundation. Then you got LeBron, the new wave, shaping the game in his own way, like a fresh continent emerging on the scene. Both bring their own flavor, but together, they define the landscape of basketball, each leaving a lasting legacy that’s as significant as the continents themselves.
He just needs a Time Machine for the Mavs series
Oh you don't know what happened over the next decade after that series?
@@GIGAFAT3yea ik what happened he lost 4 more finals.
@@guitarrise4523shit don’t matter what do you think generates more money for the franchise losing in the finals or not making the playoffs????
@@guitarrise4523 oh you didn't know NBA history was recorded? Or do you know how wrong you are and are hoping I don't know anything about basketball either?
@@luischerena7804fans don't care how much money you made for a franchise and in a goat debate, they care about lost finals as much as they care about missed playoffs. 6-0 is just better than 4-6 and 2011 is a huge choke job that can only be LeBron's fault.
MJ won more in less time and never choked a series, it's that simple.
( *Nick Wright shriek* ) Lebron would need to build a time machine to 1990, work on shooting outside 3 feet, hit a Finals winner, stay a Cav, never say he's the greatest, dominate so hard the fans do without cap.
Nobody debated if Jordan was the GOAT while he was playing. Everybody in the world just knew it. We were watching it with our own eyes. You can't talk your way into being the greatest.
As it stands, it’s either someone believes Bron is the GOAT or they believe MJ is GOAT. I say Bron is, but I can understand someone making an argument for Jordan. These analysts lose credibility and objectivity when they pretend as though Bron doesn’t have a single claim to GOAT status. They pretend Bron doesn’t even have a place in the conversation, and even go as far as to say that if he wins this year, he’ll earn himself a spot in the GOAT debate. Y’all are straight up cappin.
6:05 the thunder not being mentioned is hilariously disrespectful
Has to win 2 chips really. I'd make it a convo then.
People read waaayyyy too much into what players are saying. If Lebron doesn’t care about the rematch, WHO GIVES A HOOT.
At this point as long as Bron and Jordan are your 1 and 2, who cares bro. Bron is my GOAT, Jordan has a fantastic argument as well
I’m so ready for lebron to retire.I’ve never seen a mf get so much credit for losing and playing for a long time it’s insane.Steph beat this man how many times and brought threes too the game changing how mfs play.while lebron hindered the game by teaming up to win championship ended up with just two.Question too all lebron fans when was lebron the best player in any era he played in
Some of these comments are insane
I’m with you. This man jumps from team to team, always stacks the deck in his favor and gets way too much credit. There’s a clear media bias in his favor and it’s becoming really obnoxious. I can’t wait for him to retire so we can stop all this propaganda
Bro cmon man🤦🏾♂️ I understand you hate bron but this a ridiculous statement.. lebron been the best player since 09 til 2018… also can yall stop bringing up championships to determine how good a player is, that’s a team accomplishment not an individual accomplishment.. this not boxing bruh.
@@Nah17 I know, it's making me laugh greatly LOL
@@Nah17 it’s not insane to not ride di** bro I’m just keeping it 💯
Everyone in the 80s and 90s wanted to be like Jordan. We wanted to wear his shoes and play for the Bulls. He still makes hundreds of millions of dollars in ROYALTIES off of shoe sales and endorsement deals. And he's 6-0 in the finals. LeBron will never have the mystique Jordan had
We dont want to be gambler jordan old head 😂😂😂😂
I thought Alan Hahn was Frank Mir at first glance 😂
LeChoke disappears late yet again 😂😂😂
People always ask what does LeBron need to do more well, for starters, he only has four championships
That’s not enough and secondly, he played in the week Eastern conference, where there was no superstars
For a 6-7 years. His toughest competition was a baby Paul George , the Hawks with Paul milsap and deMar DeRozan
When he was on Miami/ Cleveland the Celtics big three was old and passed their prime. Eastern conference did not have Giannis ,Embiid, Kevin Durant etc
Bron went 6-7 years without having to face a superstar in the playoffs lol 🤓
As a Bulls fan you sound dumb af. He took out multiple superstars including Derrick Rose. The hate for the Goat has y'all saying the dumbest ish
weak eastern conference - sounds a lot like the east MJ had success in after the pistons and celtics got old
@@gordonchaloner3020 there were still super stars in the Eastern conference, when in the during the 90s
Shaqu, Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley etc LeBron didn’t even go against talent like that…
LeBron literally went seven games with Victor Oladipo 🤣
LeBron made so many finals in a row because he did not Face superstars
@@gordonchaloner3020the heat were the stacked conference during mj not the west
@@thriftthrift4638 unlike me you clearly were not alive in the 90's watching that basketball
3 legit championships in 2 decades. Extremely poor return and not remotely in the greatest conversion, the end!!
Tired of hearing team accomplishments in a individuals title debate lmao, what Lebron has done in points, rebounds, ast, steals, is the very best we have ever seen, period. As a former Bron hater, he is the GOAT! Whats greater than 20 years of what he has produced on the floor as an individual? Nobody comes close tbh
Really really simple actually. All he needs to do is hook up with Dr. Brown, take Delorian back in time with Marty Mcfly, win every NBA finals he’s ever played in, never play a game 7, and make sure MJ never existed. That should just about do it
There is nothing Lebron could do for Jordan fans to convince Lebron is better and vise Versa. Bron can win the next 5 championships in a row and they will bring up the 6 losses even though he would have 4 more rings. It’s time to move on from the debate and appreciate the greatness we witnessing currently.
In terms of durability, LeBron is GOAT?
. But Kareem played well into his 42s. Never got injured. Kareem beats LeBron too. And he didnt have 21th century science behind him. Not to mention LeBron barely break Kareem's scoring record but Kareem played 4 years in college and played without 3 pt era.
+ Tougher NBA, no easy free throws.
In terms of peak, MJ is GOAT. 6X Finals MVP. He did with his teammates. He didnt search 19240123 superstars.
Ok that’s a little excessive lol if anyone does that they the goat
@@triplekillerable Kareem was averaged 17,14 and 10 his last 3 years 😂 Tf you talking about. Lebron is breaking his career high at older age. Not even close. You proving my point. No matter what bron does you Jordan fans will never accept it.
@@Messigoat1033huh? Theres a difference between consistency and being great. If bron did happen to win another ring, then it gets interesting but mjs career is just too prolific
ESPN thinks they’re slick phrasing the questions as what should he do as if he hasn’t already surpassed MJ
he hasn’t bronsexual😂
He ain't surpassed nobody
He hasn’t. Every poll says this and despite the social media whining from the kids, MJ remains far and wide considered the 🐐. ESPN and everyone knows this but they continue to use it to generate clicks and engagement. Longevity stats don’t mean much and it can be used against you. 21 years, 4 titles and there was literally whole dynasty during his Lebrons time.
6 losses in the NBA Finals is NOT a goat. Imagine Mahomes or Brady losing 6 Super Bowls and trying to be a goat. LeBron fans have been manipulated by the media into believing a lie
The goat would have made that shot
This has to be the most idiotic, goal post moving convo ever. 40k. End of discussion. I get it, yall need clicks
Lebron is a great player Michael is a different breed he is the type of breed that do whatever it takes to win.. i stopped watching NBA since 2011.. i fell in love with NBA again because of the Denver Nuggets..
Greeny said last year was Jamal Murray coming out party .. did U see him in the bubble orrrr we forgot about that ? Lmao .
Lebron needs to start again as a rookie and rewrite the history of his career by deleting his flopping and having so much superstars who helped him with his few championships. He needs to develop a killer mentality and compete fairly by not seeking the help of so many superstars just to win.
If Kareem isn't even entertained as a GOAT despite having the best accolades nothing will get the sports media off MJ
Many have said LeBron could win 2 more and they still have MJ. Funny because the same people say 1 more puts Pat with Tom
It's not about the greatest player. It's about the greatest draws. MJ is the most prolific money maker in NBA history. It's sll scripted sport entertainment
In a fair and honest league going off of numbers that don't exclude shoes, merch and ratings Kareem is easily the GOAT and the only MJ/LBJ debate is for 2nd
Lebron has conversations about game 1 vs the Nuggets in the regular season and circles it on his calendar. But the media is looking too far into it for the playoff rematch.
Yall wanna know something that the media ain't telling yall.... these young guns thats on the Nuggets ( mainly Payton Watson and Christian Braun are battle tested because each game in the regular season to them, felt like a playoff game because teams are hunting the Nuggets and giving it their best Because they are the Defending champs. So them going through the regular season with a target on their backs really helped them
Espn gonna have nothing to talk about when Lebron retire. 70% of there recycled talking points will be gone.
Unless somebody pushes James Dolan off a subway platform, Lebron is not coming to the Knicks.
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They talk about hypotheticals every year. Didnt they talk about this last year but dropped it immediately afterwards once the Lakers got swept by the Nuggets? 😂
Agree Maxi
With all sincerity and as an NBA fan, if the Denver Nuggets go back to back, nobody will care nor will they remember only in the history books will they
i hate that ppl think the nuggets own the lakers, the nuggets actually had to get over the lakers hump, ppl forget the bubble happened. lakers won it, later we got nuggets sweeping them and evening the playoff series 1-1 now the winner of this series will prove to be the more dominant team in recent history
Looking at the title of the video:
What more does Lebron need to do?!
Short answer is nothing. The cement on his long and storied career is just about dry. Only thing left for him to do is sign it and enjoy however many years he has left in the NBA.
You can’t say this every year. When he’s 43 the argument is gonna be “if Lebron wins a title at 43 he’s the goat”. The argument is closed. Long gone. 6 losses and a sweeping can’t be undone
Lebron has been in the discussion since 2016. I still think MJ is the goat, but youre a hater if you don't think its debatable at the very least.
Nothing at all, 4 rings(3 diff team’s),4mvps,10 finals appearances, dominating 21 years in
Every year they say if he wins this year he’s the undisputed goat but how come when he loses it doesn’t hurt him. That’s another year he plays and still hasn’t caught up to mj in rings
Mj still the goat 6 chips, never bounced around the league chasing it didnt have to team up with other players to get it. Just got it done in chicago
Lebron been the goat why we still having this discussion?
Stop comparing maaaaaan
Commit to playing defense. Take the tough assignments. The Lakers have enough scorers. Let them get going early, and get some momentum. Move the basketball. If he is truly great and committed to winning, he will spend most of his energy and the game guarding anyone of the wing players