The Future of Film - Why I'm Worried
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Chris Stuckmann discusses the impact of the MCU on movie theaters, Martin Scorcese's opinions on Marvel, the state of physical media, and much more.
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The fact that completed movies can be cancelled or completely erased from legal existence is by far the worst danger the film industry is facing. We spent a century fighting against the plague of "lost films" and now that the industry has full power to prevent films from ever being lost again, it's choosing to let it happen for the sake of greed.
Short Films for decades have been getting this treatment time and time again it’s shocking.
I remember when Sound of Freedom was making the rounds over the summer I heard it had actually been filmed and edited to completion like 4 years ago and had just been sitting around, collecting dust. I wonder how many other good movies are just never released
Maybe we should all delete our movie streaming services. I deleted all of the ones I had because nothing good that I haven't already seen was on them.
worse, they can edit, and claim nothing changed, or it was for the greater good. hidden censorship. edited stream and documents the new book burning.
Where's _'Salem's Lot,_ speaking of??
They just closed the oldest local movie theater in town. People, finally hit with nostalgia I guess, flooded the place on the last day. I heard that a customer told an employee that day how sad it was that it was closing and the employee said something like, "Well, you should have been visiting us while we were open this whole time, not just today."
That’s the saddest thing I’ve read today. Now I’m thinking about all the old and antiquated movie theaters in my city that may face a similar fate.
But this is how capitalism works, so I am told. If something does make enough money for investors or business owners, then it did not have enough value to last. Maybe movie theaters are becoming a relic of the past.
Did the person respond “not sure what difference that would make in the emotion i feel today that youre closing. Seeing as you work here, and wont after today, your prospects for future employment must be next to nil, unless someone is hiring dipshits”
Or maybe you didnt hear that at all, just made it up for this comments section. It wasnt thought through though.
Eh, I don't think people can really be blamed? A market purely based on the nostalgia of the format is not much of a market. The real problem is films just aren't that entertaining.
sure that exchange happened
I became permanently disabled in May this year and going to the cinema has become so important as a hobby as I could go in my wheelchair and the lovely staff would bring my popcorn and drink in for me. I went to see Oppenheimer, Barbie, The Creator, Killers of the Flower Moon, all in my wheelchair. I’m now on crutches and went to see Saltburn last weekend. Planning on seeing Napoleon this weekend as feel the need to continue supporting my local cinemas as they are accessible places for disabled people to go and that’s been a huge lifeline for me. Plus it’s given me a greater appreciation for film.
Home is accessible too
@@I_Shit_on_your_shit_point cinema is more accessible than mine funnily enough! But yeah, no need to leave your home if you don’t fancy it with streaming services etc - I personally like the experience but you do you.
That's awesome! It is also good to support theatres and opera houses. See if they're playing any classics near you sometime!
@@I_Shit_on_your_shit_pointwell no new release aren’t gonna be accessible at home immediately
Hey that's great! All fims are meant to be seen on the theater screen. Hope you keep going! 🎬🍿
Yesterday I went to watch Napoleon, and I realized I'm living in a world I understand less and less everyday. It was Friday night and the cinema was empty, just me and a couple more people. At one point I thought of my childhood and watching Cars, Nemo, Iron Man, Star Wars III, the Rookie and many other movies in a full theater. But now that experience seems to have died, and here I am trying to keep this experience from childhood alive. Everyday we are more connected but more distant from each other. I miss the 2000s and part of the 2010s when such communal experiences were all the more common.
I think a lot of that change is due to Covid. It really changed the world in a lot of unexpected ways.
Streaming, political division, inflation & price gouging, social media negativity, monopolization of film studios, and the lack of that "special" feeling at theaters these days are just draining the joy from the entire experience.
I watched Godzilla in imax and the theater was sold out. I think you just selected a dud movie lol
Did you like napoleon
no one wanna watch the boring ass 3 hour crap
This isn't just a movie issue, it's all art. All physical art is at risk.
I agree, this vibe with music industry and tiktok trends
Really? The Louvre is gonna be shut down?
It is also the same with video game industry.The video game companies sold the game at higher price even their games are not finished being developed.
@@I_Shit_on_your_shit_point Do you have any perception beyond two feet in front of your own face?
Lies again? Driver Chauffeur Debit Card
Martin Scorsese was right, and we didn't listen.
I sure as hell did lol
Marvel films feel like products. There are exceptions, but so many of them are so generic you'll forget about them the day after.
Nah *YOU* didn’t listen - he was right when he said this the first time 💀
WE DIDNT LISTEN -Randy Marsh
Say 20 memorable lines from the MCU
You didn’t listen 😂😂
Studios also need to realize that not everything needs a trilogy. stand alone with an actual ending that ties things together are OK to do.
Very good point, if Goonies came out today, they would do a prequel movie about the parents, a spinoff, a sequel and remake it again in 5 years.
Yes! Exactly! I'm so tired of everything needing a sequel or prequel, or prequel to the prequel. It's just lazy, riding the coattails of something already created. When everyone's doing it, it makes the movie less special.
Very true.
capitalism dont work like that. its a parasite
I don’t think it’s just the streaming services that are to blame. I think more and more people are getting their entertainment from CZcams, TikTok and video games. Most of the young people I know (20s and teens and younger) don’t even watch movies! I ask kids all the time what kind of movies they like (I run a used book store and sometimes knowing that helps me find them a book to read) and a lot of them say they don’t watch movies. Not even Disney!
Can you even blame them when mainstream movies have become such soulless slop.
I don’t know. Even watching older movies (that are generally considered good) aren’t interesting to them. I’m not mad about it, it makes me sad more than anything. I’ve enjoyed quite a few newer movies (not many this year), but I’ve also been a movie person all my life. Going back and watching old movies I haven’t seen are a fav pastime. I’ve yet to meet a younger person with this outlook (to seek out older good stuff). I’m sure they exist somewhere, though. Just the lack of interest in even watching “good” movies is what I mean.
@@anaguma90 Not every movie is souless to someone, even a movie that is considered not good or garbage to someone have have meaning to them or having something like a memory or event associated with said movie.
@@lis.anwell638if they entertain themselves with tiktok and immature, fast-paced youtube videos, that would tell you why. they probably can't understand old movies. they can barely function in the real world. they seem fine until the internet goes out or they become stranded on the road. they don't have context for anything. they're spoonfed bad info and have no practical skills.
Good. I’d much rather them not watch movies than watch Disney garbage and whatever else is considered popular today.
This isn’t just an MCU problem, it’s in most every bit of media at this point… it’s not story telling, it’s not art, it’s content.
And it’s being controlled by a few execs who know nothing of the material or the craft, following an algorithm and appeasing bottom lines.
No one is making something they WANT to make, their producing product they’re told to make.
From movies, streaming shows, video games.
Don’t forget music. Once the industry more or less killed the record stores, it killed itself.
" it’s not story telling, it’s not art, it’s content."
It's worse, it's SECOND SCREEN content
"Content" UGH
I feel the same way. I want to see more Rom-Coms but they’re few and far between now.
Capitalism moment
I like what Matt Damon said about the film issue to. Studios used to take risks on stories because if it didn’t do well there was always the dvd release. It was almost like another opening weekend. Now that streaming is dominant studio’s don’t want to take risks anymore. They will play it safe and go with what they feel will work
They'll milk whatever cows they have until they're bone dry. I have a lot of respect for those who know not to do this. Not giving in to making sequel after sequel, and not that sequels or prequels are bad but they're not always needed or it goes too far. Also a show like The Good Place decided to end when it did because they had it planned from the start how far they wanted to go with it, I'd rather something end on a high note than to have it die slowly.
With my recent disappointment with superhero movies, I went to watch some originals in my watch list; Nocturnal Animals, Lights Out, Snowden, Marriage Story, Chernobyl, Boardwalk Empire. I'm so happy I did this because I've been caught up in superhero movies the last decade. I grew up watching original movies and I neglected them recently.
@@robo_tthat's just how corporations function. The find something that works and stick with it. Why do you think every Apple phone looks virtually identical to the original released 16 years ago.
Except studios can still make money off of steaming. Lots of movies get a second life on Netflix.
The truth is that these studios don’t want to waste their time with making millions of dollars. They only want billions
As an aspiring film and tv show maker, I am also afraid of the future of this medium. I’ve watched movies my whole life, sitting in my crib as a baby watching Jurassic Park and Harry Potter, this art form is my life, and making some of my own is my life’s calling. It really is scary that in the next 20-30 years movies might just be gone before I can even get the chance to make my own magnum opus.
I want to see your magnum opus! What is it about?
Don’t listen to these two. A real artist never reveals his story.
But I hope cinema stays alive for many to complete their magnum opus
@@zogwort1522 You seem like a real fun guy at parties
@@zogwort1522 That’s the funny thing about life and having a dream. I don’t want to be a store manager no matter how good I think I would be at it, movie making has always been something that I’ve wanted to do since I was a child. Having a dream allows you to feel like you’re making progress in your life, because without that dream I don’t have anywhere to go. I can’t be hung up on the possibility that my dream won’t work out, of course it won’t work out if I don’t strive to accomplish it in the most realistic way possible. I guess what I’m trying to say is that there is no point in having a dream if you’re just gonna give up on it, and there’s no point to life if you don’t have a dream.
@@zogwort1522and maybe your magnum opus is cleaning toilets in a subway. People have dreams and aspirations, just because you don't have any doesn't mean you need to bring other people down to your level
People have been telling stories since before we developed fire. And people will still be telling stories 30,000 years from now. I don't know if Hollywood Will Survive, but storytelling will always be with us.
Film and by extension “cinema” is not just storytelling. It’s a medium that needs to be accommodated and maintained constantly. It is always at risk of being done away with as we know it. Storytelling may have always existed and always will but cinema is different. It did not always exist and is not guaranteed to either.
@@mmarshfairc3barring some sort of asteroid impact, Play the song but certain that the vast majority of Works in existence today will persist indefinitely into Humanity's future.
We still have the Odyssey today, Gilgamesh, the Bible. I'm not drawing a literary parallel with those works. But I am saying that stories that were written on paper or equivalent 3000 plus years ago are still with us. These days with the number of backups that we have it seems certain that Gone With the Wind Star Trek and even Gilligan will still be accessible to whoever wants it a thousand years from now. Is that a good thing? debate that one at America's tricentennial.
New generations tell stories by live streaming themselves talking into cameras.
Completely missed the point about saving the art, but okay sure belittle what is happening because it isn't happening to you personally. 🤦🏽♀️
@@micravinxenos3047 what are you talking about? I didn't belittle anything. Did you even read what I wrote?
Here in Australia where I live, it’s $25 AUD for a ticket, $15-$18 for popcorn. I honestly, and unfortunately, can’t really afford to go to the movies any more. It’s especially disappointing if the movie ends up being particularly bad.
It’s actually pretty heartbreaking because I love going to the movies, I love the experience, but it needs to be a more affordable experience in my country.
It’s the snake eating itself - tickets aren’t selling - cinemas now need to make money so they increase prices - which then makes people not wanna watch movies
Didn’t we used to have half price Tuesday? I think that’s gone now.
The fact that there’s no video stores is what killed cinema.
Yeah, at these prices I can only justify going maybe twice a year and can't take a chance on moveis that *might* be good. $20-30 per ticket, plus $33 for one popcorn and two drinks, totals $73-83 for a couple to see a movie.
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A studio just deleting a finished film just to make 30 million instead of releasing it and letting it earn money in the box office is truly insane to me like that’s months and months of work just gone instantly
They aren’t even making 30 million. The money to make the movie was already spent. A write-off doesn’t even mean you get the money back honestly. It’s just a tax break. It’s idiotic to run your business that way because you made zero profit.
Short term gain. It seems to be the mantra for every suit wearing, money-minded ego pig that steps into an artistic field.
Deleting a movie is reasoned by avoiding further costs such as marketing if they believe the movie flops hardly. The question is if the movie is actually bad bad.
I wonder how many times a studio can do this, is there a limit or could they in theory cancel every movie they make for a tax write off.
Well. The 30 million are garanteed and this executive aholes love certainty over anything else.
I love how passionate Tom cruise is about films, you can tell he’s a true fan
Not really. He's just financially and 'egolatristicly' interested
@@MilesMoralesIsMilesMorales I repeat: his 'careness' is just pure interest (come on, guys, keep going to the theater so I can make more money, keep my lifestyle, etc.)
@@MilesMoralesIsMilesMorales He doesn't mind his 'customers', just their(his) money, so don't mismatch his 'careness' with his interest and don't present him as some kind of altruistic- passionate art enthusiastic
@@MilesMoralesIsMilesMorales Not related with op's comment and my comment to hers. Also, Disney and WB are just the same, mega corporations that just want to make money
@nombreapellido8437 yet he still went to Oppenheimer and Barbie, two movies he didn't make or star in. The real greed and selfishness is from the big streaming and film companies, not one guy who actually puts effort into his movies.
The thing that gives me hope, even if the entire industry crumbles before our eyes, is that we'll always have talented individuals who want to work together and make something their passionate about. The recent uprise of independent animated pilots and shorts are proof of that. While mainstream animation is in a rather stagnant place, these artists are putting their all into these projects and making their unique and strange ideas accessable to the world, and it's paying off.
If anything people like this will take the rubble of Hollywood and build something new out of it. It may not be as on large a scale as Disney or Warner Bros, but it'll have a soul that can never be crushed.
It’s the beauty of art and artists.
Thanks so much for making this Chris.
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As an aspiring filmmaker, I’m actually really optimistic about indie films rising up. Good films are good films, there will always be a niche for art and I think that will shine through regardless. The tools available now are incredible so this might be what low budget films need to breathe
Agreed. Some of my favorite films of all time are (or were at the time of release) considered to be indie films.
Fun fact: before its eventual box office blow up, Iron Man was technically an indie film.
Same!
As another aspiring Filmmaker, I 100% agree with you about indie films. People will find a way to see good films, by people who treat films as films and not "Content."
how can i support and check out more indie films?
Yes absolutely. Over here in Ireland, a small film made for just 30k and filmed in seven days got a limited release for one week but it did so well it ended up staying in cinemas for six weeks, and it's given a lot of us plenty of hope
I used to work at a cinema it shut down in August and I was made redundant. When I first started working there we would get sold out of screening all the time, after the pandemic it would be shocking if we got more than 15 people in one screen.
Hope you land (or landed) on your feet!
@@StheSharknl Thank you. I did, I'm a P.A. for people with autism now
That’s really sad.
Many people have stopped going to cinemas too for the experience too, I myself have had many issues with loud audiences or people causing trouble and never being kicked out, it just makes it frustrating and you feel like its not worth the hassle being pissed off while you try to hear the film
For me, the pandemic truly taught me that I don't need to go and see every single movie that comes out. Nowadays I only go to see a movie that I am excited about and anticipating, something I am familiar with, or that are actually worth my time and money that I am putting to go to the movie theater. it kind of sucked when HBO Max got rid of the same day theater and streaming releases like they did with Godzilla VS Kong.
Yep, i am like you. I hate those. I am there to watch a movie and not hearing some fanboys clapping and yelling at every single sentence some of the heroes say.
That communal experience is what's great about it. It's like going to a real theatre show where people still boo a bad production or clap after an actor's particularly compelling monologue. It's like moshing at a metal concert. Or indeed for a Christian it's the difference between going to a church or worship at home, or for a Muslim to pray alone or in a mosque.
I personally have no problem berating the people around me for being on their phone during a movie, but if it's not you, and you prefer not to partake in the communal experience, that's ok
@@DizzyBusyI think people laughing and stuff like that at the movie in the theater enhances the experience. Screaming kids (especially at PG-13 and up movies) and idiots just talking and being on their phones ruin it.
I would say the audience is only the 3rd biggest issue.
Issue one: You can't pause a movie to use the restroom. People like to drink/eat something when they're being asked to sit for over 2 hours. Theaters need to allow customers to stream the movie on their smart device within range of the auditorium so they can use the restroom and not worry about missing any of the film.
Issue two: You can't beat the options for food you can get at home. Theater food is simply too expensive and unhealthy. Let people purchase a voucher, say maybe $5, to bring whatever food/drink they want into the theater within reason. I don't want unhealthy theater popcorn, I want Whole Foods popcorn with olive oil and sea salt.
I’ve been saying for a while that superhero films are not the reason why theaters are struggling but it has way more to do with streaming. It’s hard to get people to feel motivated to go to the theater to watch a three and a half hour historical drama when they know it’s eventually going to be streaming on Apple
Or people like me who just waits for it to be on 4k Blu-ray
Three and a half hours is a lot of time to ask someone to sit in a theater, especially when there are directors who hate the idea of an intermission.
@@waverlyking6045THIS. We need to bring back the tradition of intermissions for films that approach 3 hours or longer. It’s not normal to sit in a chair for that long with no breaks. They knew this in the olden days of Hollywood.
Specifically, it's a tough sell to get them to go see a 3 and a half hour historical drama that is billed as one of the most depressing, soul-crushing, and despondent movies of the year.
Yeah especially when the movie sucks…. Im lookin at you martin 😡
As a musician I would like to chime in with my two cents and say that so many things that cinema and filmmakers struggle with are all too familiar and relatable to musical artists as well. Struggling with disposability, "contentification" of the work, the difficulty of cutting through the noise, the digital/physical debate etc etc. It all hits very close to home.
the problem is companies dont want customers to physically own any media, as it removes their ability to make money, or control the 2nd hand or owned/used media industry. They would rather sell you a digital movie for $5, but they know you cannot sell that same movie to someone else, for $10, or at all.
As a fellow musician, i sadly agree with you.
True, very true
its with all art right now. as a poet this video rang all too true. artists gotta stay strong, man. dont give up on your art for the world.
Only video games will remain 😢
My opinion:
If I'm spending $20/person to go see a movie for 2+hrs it better be something me, my wife and/or my kids can enjoy and connect with. That doesn't make us lazy or looking for something 'simple'; it just means that if I'm budgeting $100+/mo for entertainment I need a guarantee.
And if I prefer to stay at home and watch a movie with my family where the largest cost I face is the pizza ordered, thereby meaning I can use that money to go to a public pool or something later, maybe my priorities have simply matured and evolved. Maybe, when faced with a pandemic and increased cost of living we make smarter decisions that are less likely to leave us disappointed at the end of the day.
Well said sir.
You could get a monthly membership to whatever movie theatre you go to regularly, if you watch multiple movies a month
Or just go to the movies alone like me. Don’t take anybody with you. Save money
Are tickets really 25$/person, or are you one of those people who see the overpriced popcorn as a mandatory purchase? In my area ticket prices are quite reasonable. Only the popcorn/coke/whatever is ridiculously overpriced. But I never buy those out of principle anyway.
@@Tokru86 4DX ticket
I agree with everything you said. Being an actor in this season of film is really frustrating as well. I’m craving new stories and characters to audition for and let me tell you most of what I’ve auditioned for in the past few years have been reboots that have been canceled. So many talented people I know that have fresh stories that aren’t getting a time of day because they want to make another remake. Literally no one asked for this. I hold on to the movies and shows that are fresh ideas even if it is a remake or a twist - The Whale for instance - Brendan’s performance, wowz
The thing that scares me the most is the idea of DVD Players becoming obsolete. If that happens, then physical media will truly be dead
Everything becomes virtual, up to the money. Soon virtual AI doctors as I heard.
The Matrix going live I guess.
That reality is very near unfortunately. Very few people still buying DVDs these days
As long as disc drivers don't become obsolute entirely that won't happen.
@@FanSeitzYeah; I use my PS4 to watch DVDs sometimes :D
I'm so scared for the future of cinema. I'm glad that studios like A24 and Neon are still doing their films like they are. Festival movies are really saving cinema to a certain degree.
Napoleon coming out soon gives me some hope.
I just saw “Talk to Me” which I believe is A24 and it was original and fantastic. I love original content.
Not a fan of A24, but I am looking forward to watching Iron Claw because I'm a wrestling fan
Cinema is in great hangs with me. No need to be scared.
A24 surprised me on "Iron Claw" and its one of the films I'm looking forward to watch when its release here in my country.
Every industry is suffering from the same issues, which is not producing what the customer wants.
Yeah chris missed the mark on this one
The film community online is a powerful force, I've seen so many new movies this year, in part because of how many great creators are showcasing great films and great filmmakers
The whole idea of just deleting a film scares the fuck out of me. The fact that a whole team of people pour their hearts into a project just to have it promptly dumped by some corporate dick for some tax write-off. It’s just fucking crazy to me.
it's not deleted. you can download it/pirate it. EDIT: thought you were talking about Hush at first. Regarding the WIle E Coyote...do we really need to have that made? Leave it a cartoon. Was a stupid project in the first place.
It's beyond cruel
A live action Wylie Coyote was always going to be a tax write off.
This most likely won't become a standard, but rather an unfortunate case of the absolute amateurs running WB durind the pandemic. I mean, those idiots managed to piss of the biggest filmmaker of our time, Nolan, so much that he left.
@@benjamindover4337 It wasn't going to be pure live-action. More in the vein of Roger Rabbit and Space Jam, with a hybrid of animation and live-action interacting with each other.
As someone from a developing country, I want to emphasize a unique challenge we often face, particularly regarding independent movies. For instance, films like 'When Evil Lurks' are seldom available through official channels in our region. This lack of accessibility leaves us with limited options, with piracy often being the only feasible way to view such content. It's crucial for filmmakers to acknowledge this issue and strive to make their works more accessible in all parts of the world. Ensuring wider availability can not only expand their audience but also curtail the need for piracy, benefiting viewers in countries where these movies are not easily accessible.
Where are you from mate? Asking just out of curiosity, because I'm argentine and When Evil Lurks is a argentinian film, which despite apparently not making a lot of money, it prouds me that a lot of people are talking about the film internationally.
We can't blame filmmakers of indie movies bc they don't have the money and means to share it. We can hope some streaming site will share it later, they are the ones to blame for evaluating movies based on taxes they pay instead of views. Trust me the makers of WEL don't have the means to show the movie even if they wanted, piracy hurts them but they don't have the millions to take the movie to the entire world specially bc people aren't going to movie theaters
But also, price them appropriate to the region. The price for a ticket in the USA might be someone's whole month's salary in another country. So, yeah...
@@fabrizziotrujillo4024 I'm from Tunisia and I totally agree with the comment. When I first saw the reviews on When Evil Lurks, I was so excited bu also not excited about it, because I already like the director's previous movie and this one seemed even better, but I was sure it would take several months for it to become available "online". A movie like that would never be released on cinema here.
Thankfully it took much less time than I expected to be available, and it was really, really good. Of course I saw the pirated version and have no way of actually paying to support it even though I really would love to do it.
The filmmakers would love to make their movies more accessible. It is the guys in business suits above them that call the shots, though. That's the problem.
Film appreciation and history (along with art and music) should be mandatory in schools. It really changes how you consume things
This reminds me of when I was a kid. Back then you saw a movie at the theater or maybe when it came on tv. Otherwise it was gone. There was no physical media, no streaming, no way to see just any movie you wanted to see.
For all practical purposes, visual media simply disappeared after the initial release. And who knows how many films were made that were shelved. Probably 1000s.
As a kid, I was really worried I would never be able to see my favorite movies ever again…
I read that cinema in the 1950s - 1960s struggled because of something similar when TVs were standard in people's houses. No one was going to the cinema because they could watch TV. However, by this time, low budget indie horror films played in drive-in theaters became very popular.
So hopefully, if history repeats itself, indie films are what's going to save films, but we as an audience will need to support them, and if possible, make our own.
On another note, back in the late 80s, they used to show sports games at theaters. It was called Mugs and Movies, I believe. If we can show our support for these amazing spaces, be innovative, and take the cash wherever we get it, that would be amazing!
As Tarantino keeps saying, this happens to cinema in waves over the decades. Sooner or later it’ll level out.
Not to be a downer, but the difference from the fall of the golden ages of world cinema is a vastly different situation than what we see now, we have way too many issues and most of them are down to high end executives that only see film (or media in general) as a cash grab. Then you have people that can't be arsed anymore and will either consume 1) What is right there and then in their monthly subscription, or 2) What big budget film can put millions and millions into marketing.
It's not about quality anymore, it's not about Cinema vs Color TV Sets, it's not about how well V-cinema, Indie Horror of Pink films can attract other audiences. It's a lot harder and more complex than that.
History is not going to repeat itself.
There simply is far less incentive than there’s ever been for a person to go to the theatre.
Indie films are the backbone of cinema as a whole, it's gonna be the same way now when indie filmmakers are gonna post their work on youtube and get crowd funding and maybe get a movie shown in theaters
As Quentin Tarantino said we’re going in cycles. In 60s we had similar situation when big movie studios were dominating but in the early 70s Scorsese’s came and made the industry fresh. It’s gonna happen again and we’re at the point where studios like Disney and WB are collapsing and some New indie studios are gonna take their marketplace.
No way, this is different, there was never streaming and cell phones with ADHD people to deal with back then
@@BudFuddlacker Essence of movie hasn’t changed so you’re talking of external sources like marketing which is gonna change a lot because kids toy movie and biopic made like 2b$ this summer while all the Disney summer blockbusters failed. Studios and directors are trying to do something different in the movie and around the movie to make it more like an event worth your money because current Marvel superhero movie ain’t doing it. And movies are way more woke than most people out there so most of the world isn’t even presented in the movie. Barbie was huge hit because it was made for feminine audiences. Most of the movies are marketed for everybody which is essentially to nobody.
Edit: Sound of Freedom is a perfect example of new wave of movies which in this case was made for right-wing christian audience and had a great marketing campaign where you could buy extra ticket for random person to see the movie for free.
They had to follow the Hays code too which was enforced by the right and movies they made that had to follow that were boring as fuck. Now the left has their own Hays code.
A24 is already taking over the industry and it's always filled with indie artists so there's that.
@@BudFuddlacker TV played the role of smartphones back in the 60s.
Audiences want timeless themes and morality.
Weird movies are novel things audiences only really seek out after their main needs are satisfied.
Today, very few western studios are offering timelessness. It's all very modern day stupid politics, both on screen and behind the camera. People are smart to it and bored of it.
It is not on audiences to become marketeers for movies they aren't interested in. Barbenheimer was a neat marketing gimmick, but neither movie would've made a billion if the movies didn't satisfy audiences. They had long legs because of word of mouth.
Quite simply, studios just need to get back to what made movies so popular. The MCU and Disney movies in general have been flopping hard because they are making BAD movies, and you know they're going to be bad before a single screening.
It's people that stopped me going to the cinema - the noise, the checking of phones and people now taking meals in, rather than a simple bag of popcorn, etc. I'm happier shoving a VR headset on and watching in my own virtual cinema where I can choose who else is sitting around whether real people or virtual ones.
I wasn‘t aware that movies could be literally deleted as in the case of Hush. That‘s absolutely terrifying. I feel like streaming and the increase of prices at movie theatres are the two main reasons why the film industry has suffered in recent years. People still want to be intellectually challenged in my opinion but sadly not that many ”challenging” movies are being made.
I mean, poor example as Hush expired due to their licensing deal with flannigan and now allows the movie to be re-released through other platforms or to digital media allowing mike flannigans production company to earn money off the back of that which is actually a positive for small or midsize production houses. I imagine Hush will re-appear on amazon if that deal goes through. But your initial point still stands.
Can't you just pirate that shit?
And that's why 🏴☠️ is important.
Physical media is important. With digital a studio has to keep paying for a movie to exist. Thus it becomes a financial drain long after it stops earning money.
A lot of intellectually challenging movies are still being made, and a lot from the past are available on the same streaming platforms. People just do not watch them.
one thing i love about physical media so much is the feeling of actually owning the film. at any point, i can grab it and put it on. if the internet’s down in my area, i have movies that i can go to. it’s so saddening to see that huge corporations like target and best buy are doing away with physical media, because it’s not as profitable. anytime i ever go into any of those stores, it’s quite literally one of my stops every time lol
Same here my friend. I miss the days of going to Best Buy & Walmart to buy a DVD or Blu-ray of a movie.
you can atill do that@@lancethefilmguy9392
Originality, variety, new talent, this is what people crave and I do believe that films like Everything Everywhere All At Once and filmmakers like Yorgos Lanthimos are so impactful and important for the industry for that exact reason, and I wish we had more voices with original stories and approaches.
No, they don’t. People are really dumb, new innovative stuff doesn’t get the support it needs and when a studio dares to be different people bash it because they want traditional stuff.
The average person is very dumb and doesn’t really think about the message or technical aspects of a film, they just want to be entertained
That movie was a woke propaganda nightmare. Only thing decent were the fight sequences. Story had an agenda
@@hartia4584 That's basically the problem with how far technology has come... smart people figured out the average person is dumb, and that there is billions to be made by giving them that entertainment whenever they want it (smart devices, streaming, games). In the 90s and earlier, the same dumb crowd didn't have that option and was forced to go to theaters and stretch whatever little mental capacity they had to understand deep messages in film.
@@zogwort1522 because no one cares about DC. DC has the most recognizable heroes of all time and yet more people liked ant-man than ANY DC movie(save the nolan trilogy)
you know the top movies of the year were barbie and super mario right? they are as uninspired as a movie cab be...
@@JDO36maybe not cast mermaid as black ?
This is a great topic of discussion. I’ve felt the same way and it’s a shame that the survival movies are at such a critical point. I have always felt like streaming was a bad move, mainly because it opened the door for the focus of these companies to be content and getting more money from terrible content. They completely stopped valuing quality cinematic storytelling. I just hope something good happens from all this terrible stuff happening.
I think the loss of physical media is the true danger here. None of this really matters if we have the chance to track down, purchase, and watch any films we might be interested in. But without physical media (and with streaming services and studios altering, cancelling, and erasing films) that’s just not possible. It’s awful. I love films and it’s breaking my heart what’s been happening right now.
I agree with you about them censoring media, so I buy two versions - digital (if it releases on prime) and physical (just purchased oppenheimer).
If companies would just focus on making good movies they wouldn’t be having this problem. Disney and others have shot themselves in the foot. It’s self-inflicted.
I get that fear if studios and subscription services started erasing films or censoring them
But in terms of physical media it makes sense that it is going. People can't always afford rooms dedicated to shelves of blurays. There are some concerning horizons for digital media yes. But physical media is becoming a thing of the past as technology advances
@@cameronfield4617 We do not need spaces to store the media all the time. Yes space is of prime importance but when i buy physical stuff there are many times where i have to sell them or donate them because i do not have space. I did enjoy my time having it though. Physical media simply warrants that a piece of work remains always relevant. Just look at Hush. A really good horror movie for what it is and just like that there is nowhere for you to obtain it legally no matter where you look. There plenty of more such examples and it sucks because if you want to have it now you basically must do it unlawfully.
That’s why I’ve been collecting dvds and/or blu rays. Because of stuff like this
Man, I LOVE going to the theaters for movies. Not all of them, like The Holdovers (which looks so great). But the thrill of seeing a movie on a big screen is one of the greatest joys in life.
The Holdovers was absolutely delightful, I highly recommend it, solid 9/10
@@blaarfengaar Oh, I totally want to see it
Shame it's so fucking expensive and only getting moreso with each passing year
@@johndavidtibbetts7320 for all the talk about big movie companies, each theater is a single owner and entity, the box office is for the movie not the theater.
I would totally recommend seeing The Holdovers in a theater with an audience. I saw it over the weekend, it was a blast!
I hear you and I agree it is scary, I love my local theaters and I bring as many folks as I can and seeing pockets of originality gives me hope
I wish more people understood how different it is to see a movie in a theater or on a blu-ray compared to streaming. No matter the quality the service is selling you, there's always a compression in place to make it work in streaming. It is exactly the same issue we had in the past with movies on TV/VHS, but people decided that having ultra compressed content available whenever they want was more important than having an experience worth of your money.
One thing we need to keep in mind too is just how insanely expensive going to the theaters is. AMC is like almost $15 a ticket. You wanna enjoy some popcorn and drink, you gotta pony up another $25.
Inflation is awful right now, so people dont want to take the family out and spend that much money when they can watch something at home with snacks that cost a fraction of what theaters are charging
I second that.
I mean, just recently been to the theaters for The Marvels, but before that, the last movie I've seen was M3GAN back last year in October and most of the time, even online movie tickets costed over $10 plus tax.
Even to say, I'd spent around $9 for a regular popcorn and it tinged in me on why I rarely go to the theaters nowadays.
It's even why we get streaming services now and not only prices are increasing but also why physical copies might die our quick like how Best Buy won't sell physical copies anymore.
This is how I feel about the film industry currently. It's run by execs who look at the numbers,statistics and don't even care about the art, the storytelling, or characters anymore. They just look at whats popular. And they just use art as a way to make money and they'll do whatever than can to make that money even in ways that we really do not agree.
What they don't realize is eventually something popular won't be anymore. Their reckoning will come eventually. Especially with the rise if Asian cinema and indie studio. Those two are kicking asses and becoming popular. Exces will face the music sooner or later
It not just film industry, its a trend follows every industry. There is a common cause though, it’s capitalism and naturally monopolies form due to incentives to generate more income every quarter and year
@@ruhulchowdhury4012 until there's nothing left. Look at what happened to the coal industry or the steel industry. Too little competition resulted in stagnation and declining quality
And thats how studio execs have ALWAYS run that business. ALWAYS.
So you might as well tell us how you feel about gravity.
@@I_Shit_on_your_shit_point all i know eventually it hits. And exces are avout to feel gravity big time.
Like it did to Thatcher
People don't like watching bad movies for the most part Chris.
Totally agree with you Chris. I have been worried for a long time.
My dad is quite the film enthusiast and so was his father. That's how they bonded and dad passed on the tradition. He also loved sports and I never quite could learn to love sports, but every now and then we would go to the movies just the two of us, and to a restaurant after to talk about it. We had a laugh over how bad Mummy: The Tomb of the Dragon Emperor was. We gushed about how Guy Ritchie's Sherlock exceeded our expectations. Dad told me that he came up with the idea for motion capture before it was invented.
I hope movie theaters still exist when I have a son of my own.
Suggestion: a weekly recap from which movies you saw would be cool, doesn’t have to have a score, just which movies you saw this week and a short thought about it. Would help to give those movies you mentioned a bit extra attention!
+1
Absolutely agree. The reason I skip originals is I don't know anything about them. By the time I see a video about them they've already flopped. CZcams algorithm also plays a part, sometimes I wouldn't hear about an original until 6 months later and they've already been dumped to streaming.
Excellent video Chris.
i don’t know if anyone will read this, but this feels like a good a place as any to give my two cents. i’m blind. i can still see, but not well enough to drive, and i can’t see any color whatsoever. film and any kind of media that sought to enthrall me with a good story has been my escape for as long as i can remember, and recently, i’ve been going to the theater to see 2-3 movies in a single day to make the most out of an outrageously expensive uber fare. i almost never see anyone in the showings i go to, regardless of whether they’re at optimal times or not. i haven’t seen a full theater in years, and when there are people there, it’s often people far older than i am. there’s so many reasons for this decay (as all of the comments mention), but i think that we as people are so often isolated by the world and its architects that we don’t feel comfortable leaving our cages, so when there’s next to no extrinsic incentive to engage with unfamiliar media and films, i can’t blame people for not having that drive to seek new things out. the world isn’t really designed to encourage exploration anymore, and when executives view art and creative expression as things that directly oppose impossible growth and profit, i don’t know if i see that changing as quickly as i’d like. all that being said, im glad that i still have the opportunity to go and see movies, as difficult as the road there may be.
My wife and I loved going to the theaters. We just got tired of dealing with rude theater-goers (mainly teenagers) who are on their phones, texting, talking, taking videos, and ruining the theater experience for us. It’s just happened too often that we kinda threw in the towel and now only seldom go to the theater and pick specific times to see movies when we know we aren’t going to encounter rudeness.
💯 Down here In Australia, I’ve found the 10am sessions have eliminated that troublesome teen problem you so accurately highlighted.
This. This right here is a real problem. I've had to get up and go get theater staff because people are so unbelievably rude. The level of respect for people in public is at an all-time low. I've had people sitting to our left, a family of three, take all of their shoes off like they are kicking it at home. We had to smell their nasty feet the entire time.
The next visit at the theater the lady to our right bought too much wine, got drunk during the movie, spilled it on herself and then cried uncontrollably during a scene of the movie that didn't warrant that kind of emotional response....unless you were sloppy drunk. We still go almost every weekend because we love the theater but now we are more careful about when we buy tickets and which theater.
@@user-rr3fo6hy9qI want to apologize on behalf of all younger people that have 0 respect for others. I am by no means a perfect person, but I pride myself on showing myself and others respect. I have been lucky with the times I have gone to theater recently but I have heard plenty of horror stories that align with what you were saying perfectly.
We have Alamo Drafthouse near us, that's the only place we bother going at this point, they enforce good behavior.
I'm sorry you and your wife have the displeasure of dealing with unruly teenagers.
You're amazing Chris, very well stated, I agree.
I go to the theater for the experience. That’s the way this giant pieces of iconic zeitgeist media are meant to be seen and shared with others. 2022 with The Batman and Top Gun Maverick and Nope and unfortunately not getting Prey on the big screen … was a great year to go to theaters. People are lazy and cheap and many don’t prefer the art form in the way it’s intended to be seen
The problem for me is that the movies I want to see are only in theaters for a week or two. I'm not 20 anymore where I'm able to go see a movie the day it drops. The removal of movies and shows from streaming is an issue because we became so reliant on it.
Definitely. I wanted to watch dream scenario but my local cinemas got rid of it super quickly or didn't even show it in the first place.
Ari Aster and Robert Eggers are two directors I’ll always see. While they don’t always hit with me, what the put up is always original and you can tell they have a passion for what they do
I do believe Eggers will someday successfully fight for his cut of The Northman hopefully.
thats called being a blind fanboy
@@fernandofaria2872 I’m happy to wear the fanboy hat
@@fernandofaria2872 I think it is more about trusting the talent of a director, for me Aster and Eggers are two of the most competents directors nowadays, they only need to make one out-of-the-chart successful movie to be right up there with the big ones.
@@Semtrex At least you are self aware then. Beau is Afraid flopped because it sucked, not because its weird.
This right here is the video we desperately need at the moment and I really hope this raises more awareness for studios and the industry itself. Props to Chris for intuitively pointing this out.
@@zogwort1522 damn did my simple comment infuriate you that much to type a rather long hostile ignorant reply. Anyways, if you watched the video, you would realize that he’s pointing out various issues surrounding the industry such as the superhero/franchise movie fatigue and certain films disappearing from streaming services that probably may never be available to the public again. As a filmmaker, you wouldn’t want that right? So yeah you just basically answered your own question. It is a big deal for films to get canned & Chris is probably one the very few people who would be afraid of something like that. Look what he’s accomplished. He’s just concerned & don’t you think like everyone wants studios to make good movies instead bad. I’m sure everyone is aware of that.
@@zogwort1522 aight I just came to the realization that you probably just hate life in general. Say what you say but Chris has probably accomplished way more than you ever have in your entire life. Yeah that’s it, ur just jealous of Chris 😭🤣
@@zogwort1522 well ok then…your a hater I guess? Idk why one would wanna be considered a hater in the first place but uhhh…ok?
@@zogwort1522 appreciate it but nah I’m alright. I don’t need tips from you cause there was actually no genuine criticism towards this video provided by you. Just unnecessarily expressing negative thoughts for some reason.
@@zogwort1522 yes I get your point here but I wouldn’t go as far saying most people wouldn’t care and that people don’t enjoy going to the theater. Look at how much of a cultural phenomenon Oppenheimer and Barbie has become. We’ve been having plenty of lackluster films being released recently yes, but that doesn’t necessarily destroys people’s faith in the quality of cinema going forward. Excessive amounts of movies are being released every year and not every film will be beloved by everyone. Plus we’ve had many great films that have been released recently that are deemed to be classics in the coming years such as Oppenheimer ofc, Top Gun Maverick, Dune, EEAAO, ATSV. Also you don’t even have to unnecessarily bash on Chris for his projects. He’s a respectable CZcamsr and film critic.
Thank you Chris I had trouble sleeping until stumbled upon your content.
My one hope with all of this is that looking at film history, the era we're in right now feels a whole lot like the static rut that Hollywood found itself in around the late 1950s and the death of the stale Western genre. Then the 70s came along and a bunch of incredible art got made by a bunch of outsiders. I think we could enter an era like that again. There's the hunger for it.
Same here. I had been hoping there would be a New Hollywood 2.0 (or 3.0 if you count the 90s indie boom) but I forgot how bad things were for the industry in the 60s before that happened.
Maybe but I don’t really see it as static. There’s just as much if not a lot more quality movies coming out then ever. They’re just usually not safe and so general audiences and distribution companies don’t care. I don’t see us recovering from this. They’ve hacked people’s brains, and now majority of people are satisfied with something as long as it wasn’t boring or had a message they didn’t like. Now on social media if people try to think deeply about or liked something artsy they get made fun of. It’s all over TikTok, they call those people “film bros” and if people don’t like something that was safe people will defend it by saying “it wasn’t that bad bro”. They’re happy with safe. I really don’t see that changing, the companies will never not follow the money. And they know what will hook general audiences. And those people don’t demand better, at least not with their money.
Movies are a dead medium. Younger generations don’t have the attention span for anything longer than 45 seconds.
The culture needs to change for a second New Hollywood to emerge. We're in the age of Tik Tok, superhero films, and outrage culture. The film industry needs to be a little bit bolder if they really want a New Hollywood. Oppenheimer gives me hope that this new generation of viewers are still interested in three hour Rated R biopics, which means another new wave is still possible.
@@murdockfiles9406 I truly believe people only saw Oppenheimer because it was a Nolan film. But maybe it got people on board for something like that in the future.
We don't want just "weird", we want good stories
originality, creativity, not woke.
@@johnwayne4911 Whats Woke exactly? a person can't just be in a movie regardless of gender or race?
I wouldn't mind some weird
We? Ah yes, we're just helpless observing consumers. We, we, we. How about instead of what we want, we create?
@@SuperGamerxlThey intentionally do it BECAUSE of the actor's race, that's the problem. If a movie is genuinely good, and the actors are genuinely amazing and perfect for the job, then why do they bother talking about the director/actor/character in terms of race, gender, religion, and political identity? That's all I see from promotions of these flopbusters. And when they do fail, they don't blame themselves, they blame the phantom "toxic fans" who apparently are huge enough to cause a movie/series to fail.
Super nice video and I very much agree! Maybe I think one aspect that was left out was the increasing length of movies. I would have loved to go see beau is afraid but a 3-hour long cinema visit is just a lot. Killers of the flower moon also (although I did see that one). I think making original movies under 2 hours would make them much more accessible and the popularity would increase. Not only due to the fact that more people just can attend for a shorter amount of time, but also simply due to the easier digestibility. Especially given the shortening attention span of ours.
Buying physical media is my solution to the issues identified in this video. I've made a point of pre-ordering new releases and buying copies of older movies I want to own on 4k or blu-ray. This is the best way I can support the filmmaking industry right now. It makes for some great family movie nights, plus I don't have to subscribe to more streaming services. Back in the day I had a large DVD collection, and I've gradually added to/upgraded that collection with new formats. Building a library for myself and my family is a treasured activity.
Barbenheimer wasn't just the most fun I had at a movie theater this year, it was one of the most fun things I did this year period. That might sound sad, but it brought me back to the days of standing in line for the Harry Potter movies, dressed as the characters, books in hand. I don't think you necessarily need an IP to do that. You need creativity. You need GOOD movies. You need the marketing budget Barbie had (that was a joke, although that didn't hurt). Anyway, I hope that movie going experience doesn't die.
Precisely. Barbenheimer proves people will go to the theaters to see movies. It’s just now more than ever you need to give the audience a *real* incentive to go.
I know you're making a joke about the marketing budget, but I think actually that is one of the symptoms of a major problem the film industry faces these days. The masses don't go out of their way for pretty much anything anymore and allow the internet to spoonfeed them. There is no curiosity, only convenience. They wouldn't know a movie was released unless it went viral or had a major marketing budget because they simply wouldn't bother to even look.
It just reinforced how most people are sheep and just follow whatever the new trend is.
It was really fun. I don't think going to the movie really felt this eventful since No Way Home. I hope it's not the last time we get something like this
Too bad mission impossible got chokeslam by barbenheimer
As a film student and enthusiast this is a really scary reality, especially since the future of the industry is so unsure
Film student? Nope. Youre a liar. Try a little harder if you must participate.
Make indie movies. Make art for the sake of art.
@@netanelaker4437
Movies are not art.
@@Art-is-craftNice hot take, I won't take the bait tho.
bruh you should consider changing school
Thank you for this video, Chris.
I love your stuff, man. Keep it up!
From a studio's perspective: I've been saying for some time that the way to go is to make weirder, smaller scale, more original films. Basically what A24 is doing, and I'd be doing that if I were, say, Disney. If you take chances with these types of movies you may end up profiting immensely, and if they don't do that well then you don't lose all that much since the budget isn't huge. Win-win: better, more diverse movies keeping people invested in the medium, better chances of a good budget-to-profit ratio for the studios. Having to constantly make at least one billion $ at the box office in order to be even marginally profitable is not a good long term strategy, and not even a mega-corporation like Disney can sustain the kind of losses that come from multiple blockbusters flopping for very long (which is what is happening now with the MCU and live-action remakes).
The current approach for some time has been "more meat for the grinder", and eventually people get burned out. If better movies were in the theaters consistently, do you think people would still not care about the medium? People don't care now because for too long -dare I say, an entire generation at least?- the vast majority of films/series etc. is regurgitated crap. Of course people don't care and the medium is dying. Meanwhile, the studios are sitting with their thumbs up their asses wondering why; I mean, how could Disney + not be as successful as Disney had hoped for when Netflix was so massively successful, right? RIGHT? It's the system's own fault that it's crumbling.
P.S.: why the hell did they remove Hush from Netflix, especially since Flanagan is currently flying high with the Fall of the House of Usher? Whatever.
They removed it because their license expired, that's all there is to it.
@@kondoriano4813 Once again, piracy is the only thing keeping an artwork from extinction.
Don't forget about Disney's own (meaning not Marvel or Lucasfilm) live-actions that aren't remakes. Those movies are usually very poorly marketed.
@@matman000000you can buy DRM free movies.
So its not the only thing.
Its just the best end user experience
Yeah, I also feel Studios have become fucking lazy and cowardly, just pumping more and more money into what they considered a safe bet because it sold before, but who wants sloppy seconds all the time? As you said "regurgitated crap". We either get formulaic franchises, reboots, remakes, ret-cons, based ons, or goddamn interlinked soap operas as films. With what one film costs, they could have funded a tenfold variety of low and mid budget movies as we got them during the 80s and early nineties, half of them mainstream fodder, half of them more excentric auteur stuff, and if 8 break even and 2 go through the roof and make big money, studios would have some reliable income, and some might become steady selling cult classics they can keep making money with for years if not decades on the home video market. BUT: Who will buy Marvel shit in ten years? The hype is over. At least, if they sink money into a flop with the mid-budget approach, it won't throw them back quite as bad as with a three digit mio. production. Even a Scorsese movie has become more of a fig leave, prestige, vanity project by now - because hardly any younger and daring film makers are given a chance to develop their style, not unless both their debut and sophomore pictures are being a huge success either at the box office or with critics at the festivals or the goddamn Oscars. But with the Oscars it's the same: Nominations and winners are usually big budget flicks because more people work on them and will vote for them. Oscars have been a circle jerk from the get-go. Almost the eintirety of Hollywood has become a circle jerk as well with that incestuous "regurgitated crap". A24 is almost exclusively the studio that puts both quality and variety on the map.
If you liked Loki, season 2 is worth a watch. It wraps things up for the character and is very solid. The other shows are missable.
oh damn, I didn't realize Hush wasn't available. I was just telling a family member about it a couple of days ago
Movie theatres are a nightmare though. Not only is a ticket too expensive, but you get charged and arm and a leg for a coke and popcorn. Then you get into the auditorium and there's people using their mobile phones everywhere, talking and sometimes screaming. These people never get thrown out and you're just supposed to put up with it.
The convenience of watching from home is just too great. Also, like you mentioned regarding having kids, going to a late showing these days can be an issue since the running time of some of these big blockbusters is 2 hours and 30 minutes. That's really excessive. You might not get home until 1:30am! That's really not suitable for the average person.
I just do not see the benefit of going to the cinema these days.
Also, longer movies in movie theaters are going to have to start incorporating intermissions into the movie. A lot of people avoid the movie theater just because they know it’s a good movie and they don’t want to miss anything for a bathroom break. And a lot of people just wait until it comes on a streaming service. If the industry wants people to start going back to theaters. They have to start cutting their movies for the theater.
I mean we’re already there watching a 3 hour movie. A five minute intermission halfway through isn’t going to inconvenience anybody. The older I get man, even a two hour movie is kinda long without a bathroom break.
That’s a great idea. I wonder if it’s a theater issue because I’m sure that that’ll cause need for more staffing
This Will create such a unique experience, if done right and in time. Our elders and young can bond over common ground.
I deal with chronic pain and sitting in the same spot for 3 hours straight leaves me very sore. I skip long movies in the theater so I can watch them at home instead.
India does this and their theaters are packs. Mind you, their movies really suck but still .. that intermission is nice to use restroom
Theaters as late as the 1970’s still held intermissions. My family loves movies, but several of them cannot sit through a 2.5 hour film without needing a break.
My problem with the movie theater is that it's so expensive. Back in the mid 2010s I went to theaters to watch MCU, horror, creepy movies, Some biopics as well as dramas. I went at least once a month. I remember that there was this clear trend of annoying people going to the movies (checking cellphones, making noise, talking) so I started going to Alamo Drafthouse. I love that place and it kind of rejuvenated my love of movies. But then I noticed how much I had to pay to go there. I tried going back to AMC or Cinemark but holy crap, it was a terrible experience, noise everywhere, people checking their cellphone constantly. I only went to the movies once this year and it was for Barbie. I don't feel the need to go for more because I either have to pay for the "luxury" of some peace and quiet or have a terrible experience with the more affordable theaters.
Because of capitalism. In order for theaters to make money, they need to inflate their prices to increase their profits to maintain their business. However, movie theaters just aren’t filling as many seats as before due to inflation and little innovation. Why pay $100 to see a movie when you can stream from home, most likely on a pirate website? They need to meet a demand they aren’t meeting anymore. The caliber of movies produced also plays a part in their success. In the end, the movie industry will remain and the movie theaters will go extinct.
Physical businesses are very difficult to maintain in this virtual future we’ve created.
If you can join a monthly membership it is worth it $24 a month for my Regal pass. Theaters don't make anything on the box office. Only like 20 to 30 %. They make all their real money from concessions. I can't blame them for those prices due to that fact with the box office.
@@Quantum_Bluntz If it wasn’t for capitalism there wouldn’t be any movies made. Maybe you need to read up on history how communism/socialism failed every time (and yes it was the real communism everytime it failed ans/or resultated in millions of deaths).
@@sungod86 lmao my comment wasn’t an ad for socialism/communism. I was merely explaining cause and effect. Capitalism has its downsides too. Maybe you should look into it and get back to me.
AMC A-List or the Regal membership is well worth it for me. Most of the time I don’t find so many movies to use it on, but during a great time of year, I’m there for my three movies each week over and over. Pays for itself after 1-2 movies a month usually.
Superhero movies aren't the problem. Studios are, as they've always been
The suits in the studios they are the problem in movies. They always have been because they control the money.
I don’t know if you are aware of EFAP Chris, but they just did a stream covering your video and they had a lot to say. It was kind of warranted because your video is very confused. I doubt that you’ll read this, but if you do, I encourage that you at least check them out.
I did NOT grow up going to the movies as a child. I didnt really start going until my teens. A lot of the movies I did watch was on cable TV, but I LOVE everything about movies and I love going to the movie theater. It's been my favorite thing to do for years now.
The MAIN THING that’s puts me off going to the cinema is simply people talking and being on their phones. The experience has really changed that way.
i agree. my luck I ALWAYS Find myself next to a yapper no matter where i sit.....always, lol. i honestly have a better time taking in films at home.
Absolutely. Definitely a HUGE drawback to going to a cinema. Almost ruined Killers of the Flower Moon for me
I agree. I always try to find un unfrequented Cinema and choose early times in the morning.
I always fantasies about having a Cinema where chairs give electric shocks to those talking or using their mobiles lol. The milder version is instantly frying their mobiles.
see if you have an Alamo Drafthouse theater near you. There very well might not be a single one anywhere near you if you live in a less urban area (or outside the US), but they are a national theater chain and are known for their strict no-phone/talking policies. Worth checking out
why dont you say it to that person that they shut up?
With the rise of the World Wide Web, the movie theater’s days were always numbered. The streaming services merely hastened this decline, and are the studios way of adapting to the inevitable decline of physical media (what did you expect them to go down with the ship as well). If it wasn’t streaming sapping at the will for consumers to go to the movies, it would be social media sites like CZcams, or worse Ticktock, or worse still, Facebook or Twitter. Movie theaters had a fantastic run, but every thing comes to an end eventually.
Chris your right on track we have to change our approach and attitude towards this precious art of film making. As you said we need variety we need to be willing to think more to appreciate screen presence and being in the moment with these good films. And to get each other excited as we did with Barbie and Opennheimer. Keep up the terrific content! Cheers
Barbie was dog s@@t.
A24 has been like a breath of fresh air. Even when occasionally one of their movies isn't really for me, I still appreciate the hell out of it for challenging me and taking me somewhere different. I hope this doesn't begin to fade away because of their new commercial strategy.
They are literally my media relief whenever I want to watch something by them and half their projects feels fresh with some soul in them. A24 so underatted
A24 are not making movies that the general audience desires are are just making niche movies that are fundamentally no different from Disney.
@@Art-is-crafthow are they fundamentally no different?
@@Art-is-craft Huh?
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No they are not. They make niche movies that the public is not interested in. Marvel movies are the same in that they appeal to a niche in the market place. A true movie industry cannot survive on Marvel and A24. If you were to ask the average person the street to name 5 a24 movies they would fail to do so even if you were to give hints.
The problem is Disney oversaturated the MCU. Back then MCU content was very limited and relied heavily on movie releases and that teased you for more. Now its a hot mess!
The MCU was great when it was 2 movies a year but now its 3 movies and 1 or 2 shows. That and Disney is now all over Marvel telling them what they should do and what they should green lit, when they used to just let Marvel do their own thing and not meddle so much in production. Marvel I think should either go back to releasing 2 movies a year and maybe only one show, or do what Pixar is doing where one year the release only 1 movie and then the next year they release two movies.
There's a thousand thousand stories that Disney could have chosen. ☝️Comics have been around since 1939. They jus chose not to. 😮🤧.
People wouldn't be complaining about the oversaturation if the writing was still any good. The CGI is worse than ever (partially due to abused VFX artists), the continuity has been thrown out the window, and the political agendas are more blatant and unsubtle than ever. You gotta give the writers some blame for telling lazy and uninspired stories that eventually will bore audiences, as evidenced by The Marvels bombing at the box office.
If the MCU made sense and had actual continuity, people would take the time to watch it all. It's the oversaturation of bad content that is the problem.
oversaturated with shit is what the problem is
if they made good movies people wouldn't have stopped coming to see them
Thank you for speaking up, the same thing is happening with video games. Really appreciate somebody with your reach to acknowledge this issue.
Happening? It happened years ago. I'm guessing your idea of the golden age was the 360/PS3 era? That's where ALL of this started.
Very good and inspirational video!
As an aspiring filmmaker myself, this is something I've had to grapple with for a while now, and it's hard. When it comes to movies, nobody really seems to care anymore. The focus here is how most people aren't going to theaters anymore, but I'm telling you most of the younger generation don't even watch movies at home these days. They watch TikTok, and that's about it. I don't really know what the answer is. You can't force it on anyone, that's not cool, but like, I feel like the industry is literally dying before our eyes, and all those of us who want it to survive can do is watch it fizzle out. As Chris said, the only movies that have really done well lately are Barbie and Oppenheimer, because that was basically turned into a meme and you went to be a part of it, and FNAF, based on an extremely popular game and also, you guessed it, featured in many memes. The Exorcist did well too somehow, despite all the negative reviews, but all these big movies keep bombing and there is virtually no way to predict success anymore. Life has become one big meme, everything people do is for the sake of irony, or to be just like everyone else. I meet fewer and fewer genuine people as time goes on. I'll continue to pursue filmmaking because it's been my dream since I was a teenager, and I truly can't see myself doing anything else. Without movies, without filmmaking, there is no me. But without an audience, how long can the dream last?
Film is actually dying. I work among younger people and the only movie I've heard them talk about in the last year or so was the damn Barbie movie. They watch TV shows and social media almost exclusively.
Concur to this with young people. My teenage son doesnt watch much movies or TV and neither do his friends. TikTok, CZcams and the like are where they consume most of their media. As a kid/young adult, i knew all the channels on TV by heart (cable or otherwise) and knew my theaters pretty well. My son and his friends could honestly care less. They dont want to go or know. That is changing and killing cinema as well. Once they are young adults and eventually older adults, they likely wont set foot in a theater, nor take their kids to one, if they still even exist. It's sad but the world always changes. They are the future and will have ultimate say in what their world and entertainment looks like. Us old fogies will have our memories and discs/VHS to remind us of the old times i guess...
@@vincentfalcone9218 to be fair, as someone who has always loved movies and tv shows, I do find myself preferring to watch shows than movies these days. In fact, if I see a trailer for something that looks really interesting but then I realize it's for a movie rather than a show, I'm disappointed. Shows have much more time to develop characters and build a world than movies do and truth be told I'd rather sit at home and invest 6-10 hours in a show than go to a theatre and watch a movie that a studio likely had a huge hand in changing. Having said that, there are definitely still movies that I'm excited to a theatre to see. If a big blockbuster is coming out (Mission Impossible, and Nolan movie etc) then I'll always go to the theatre. Or if a creative, unique film hits theatres and I don't know how long I'll have to wait for it to reach a streaming network then I'll go and see that too
The West is dying. Movie industry is well and good enough in Asia and India. But to be honest, I don't usually consume movies because they're shit. Barbie and Oppenheimer were both great movies, I was amazed at the quality and depth of both, but I usually end up going for indie movies, because there's where the quality is. Even though I agree current youngsters have less attention span than a mayfly, I think adults and young adults are not watching movies because they suck, not because they no longer care for films. I saw a video of a guy that put a DVD of Chaplin's The Gold Rush for his teenage girl and her girl friends and, although they complained at first, they held up at his request and in 15 minutes were laughing like crazy and loved the movie. Don't give up. The problem is basically the audience, it's woke Hollywood.
@@MrPerfectWasMurdered easier said than done. When something has been your obsession for more than half your life, it’s not easy to just walk away from it. It used to be you didn’t get into it expecting easy money because it’s not easy, now you don’t get into it for money period, because the money is gone. I just don’t know what else to do that would be as meaningful to me.
I think another problem that I constantly see when I go to the theatre is not enough people respect it and treat it like they are home. too many times people are talking, taking videos with flash on, people coming late and using their flash to find the seat and the list goes on. I went to see Oppenheimer in 70MM, and during the climax, the literal dropping of trinity people were behind me talking at a normal voice. the scene is dead quiet and hearing someone just talk and have a conversation just ruins that. Its legit a joke for people to disrupt movies now...
It's seriously rage inducing. I'm not afraid to politely ask, "whoever is talking please stop, thank you". Of course that just makes them act out more. Why pay for a movie if you're going to talk or be on your phone the whole time? You can do that for free anywhere else. I think you're right, it seems to be a way for people to deliberately ruin someone else's time because they think it's funny. I've had to go get staff before and I've made up my mind if the theater staff aren't going to do anything about it I will ask for refund every single time and let them know why.
Lol this always existed
@@sarov7658 It is much worse now. People are losing their social skills or with the newer generations, never had them in the first place. Back in Toronto, Canada people used to hold doors for others, look in your face, a completely stranger and say good morning as you walk to work. At the gym, men in the locker rooms used to ask how you're doing, say good morning, complete strangers... Everyone has their airpods and don't even look at each other anymore. Now cars on the street won't even wait for you to fully cross the street, which in Canada and the EU is illegal. I'm talking about just basic human courtesy. So, yeah a lot has changed for the worse and that's one of the reasons people don't go to the movies anymore.
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Movies and videogames have been going digital for years.
People like me have been warning others about the dangers of all digital media and we got shot down and called silly.
I felt very seen when you brought up being a fan of comic book movies and films similar to/on a similar level of complexity as them while also being a big fan of longer and more complex films like "Killers of the Flower Moon" and that not many people are like that. I will literally go to the theater to see something like the most recent Hunger Games or the latest MCU film (yes, I still watch and enjoy them), but then I'll go and watch something like "Saltburn" or "Anatomy of A Fall" in theaters and enjoy them too and I know next to nobody who does that as well. The theater is a frequent visit for me and I don't know what I would do without it (even though I use streaming services too) and I'm glad some of these topics are being brought up. Even though I don't see eye to eye with you on everything in this video (I don't love or fully agree with Scorsese's statements and I don't think I ever will), I'm still happy someone as passionate as you made this video.
I feel like you kinda are missing the forest for the trees here. If the movies were good, and only in theaters, we would go see them. But they’re not good, and we can watch them at home on the same day usually. So why would I go to a theater?
This is why I love criterion, because the consumers for their product are very strong & always show up & show out. The big sales in July & November probably are a huge reason that both Criterion & Barnes and Noble stay afloat
I’m glad you’re talking about this - as a screenwriter on the cusp of making it, I hate that this is where we’re at. If my movie that’s in development does get made, it’s never making it to theatres. It will 100% be on streaming and lost to the vast sea of content..
You know it's bad when if Chris Stuckmann caught on
I'm old enough to remember cinema before cable television and HBO. In those days, if you missed a film in the theater before the end of its run, you might never see it at all. If you did, it was edited for broadcast television and full of commercials. It was not unusual at all to go to the theater to see something, find out the line was WAY too long and probably going to sell out before you got to the kiosk, and have to choose another movie with a short line.
For most of my youth and adult life I went to the movies once or twice a week. I went to theatres with bad seats, sticky floors, stale popcorn, and expensive candy. We went for the movies. When the cinemas upgraded to soft recliners, stadium seating, and state of the art sound, I noticed, but that's still not why I went.
What drove me away from theatres and into the habit of watching films at home was the abysmally inconsiderate behavior of audiences and their phones, and the liberation of having a pause button. Giant TVs are cheap, great sound is affordable, and you can just about watch anything if you juggle subscriptions. Unless theaters get back some degree of substantial exclusivity, I don't see them coming back, and I don't see that happening unless theater chains partner with filmmakers to produce exclusive content.
Agree with a lot of what you said. One of the big reasons I rarely go to the movies now a days, is due to the theatre etiquette of others. It’s ridiculous how rude people are. Ruins the whole experience.
Oh God, I agree. I saw Killers of the Flower Moon on Friday and there were only 7 people in the show. Everyone else was invested in the movie, but there was this one couple who couldn't stop making jokes and laughing at every single scene ffs. It ruined the experience for the movie I had been waiting to watch forever.
Some girl a few seats down my row was on her phone for almost all of an imax show of Dune. Really pissed me off.
This. People don't have any self-awareness anymore. It's exhausting.
Seems like this has been an issue at most venues. Whether it's the theatre, sporting events, concerts, etc etc. It seems like since COVID, people have forgotten how to act in public and respect others. Getting a respectful audience seems like a rarity these days at the multiplex cinemas.
I think it depends on the venue. If you're going to AMC or a similar chain the experience won't be great, but there's others that prioritize having a great time and will eject viewers who are rude or on their phones during the film. Just gotta find the right one -
Also something I’ve noticed is that since theaters came back from Covid, (anecdotally of course) there have been more instances of people making the theater miserable for me (talking during films, texting, phones going off, etc). That aspect has kind of ruined things a bit for me, and it can sometimes feel like a roll of the dice whether a movie showing will be ruined by assholes in our theater.
The last few years have really ruined the theatre for me. I won't even actively avoid spoilers anymore, b/c I know that I'm not going to go opening weekend, so why bother.
Those dumbass people got used to doing that at home during covid and took those shitty habits back to the theater.
This is why i invested in a Home Theater. 77" LG OLED, a True 5.1.2 Atmos set up. its such a better experience than rolling the dice when you go to a public theater.
Concerts are completely ruined post-covid too. People don't know how to act anymore.
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I also love good comic book movies. Luc Besson's The Extraordinary Adventures of Adele Blanc-Sec (a comic series written and drawn by Jacques Tardi). The special effects are stunning and the story is really fun as well. I intend to review more comics on my channel in the future and in February I’m organising a reading event where we read film-related fiction and non-fiction.
Been waiting for someone to make this video
Another problem I'm having is that outside of the big blockbuster movies I've often struggled to find certain movies even available to watch. Whether it be smaller movies only being available for one showing or just not being available at the theater at all.
My dad was one of the co-directors of scoob holiday haunt which also got scrapped for a tax write off. Seeing him work on the project for months, putting his heart and soul into it just for it to be cancelled was truly heartbreaking. I also am pursuing a career in film and to think that this event is a reality now is really scary. I fear for the film industry as a whole and, like you said, for the theater experience which might just become a past time. I hope things get better but things truly need to change. Great video Chris
I’m very sad about this cancellation and Haunted Highrise. It is tragic.
Did he get paid for it? Yes? Then wtf is he complaining about 😂
You choose the wrong path fool. Try being a producer. It’ll give u much more control over these stuff
@@imanoldurango8213 Life isn’t all money man, I hope you learn that. If you work hard on a project for an audience, you want that audience to see it. A higher power randomly taking away something you worked hard on is a horrifying thing to happen, period. Maybe instead of spreading negativity, have some sympathy and respect for artists
@@imanoldurango8213 In the end, creators will have nothing to show for it. Those who need to land another job elsewhere will not be able to demonstrate the work they put in the previous project, which is crucial unless they are fortunate enough to be leveraged through connections only.
Was talking with friends and we all had the same thoughts. Great video Chris.
The only thing that’s change about cinema is that people’s expectations are much higher. They’re saying if your movie isn’t any good then we’ll just watch at home…period. And that’s a good thing, because it forces the movies studied to put out quality content.
I watched Coyote v. Acme at a test screening a couple months ago and it was great, I really hope they do release it one day. It’s a shame that big wigs can just shelf a completed movie because they want to.
Exactly like why would they delete the movie just to get $30 million when they could put in theaters and potentially get hundreds of millions in box office revenue?
I can’t imagine watching a movie and then learning there’s a chance I’ll never be able to watch it ever again
Is it 3D CG or 2D animated renditions of Coyote?
@@ibnmianal-buna3176 From their perspective putting it on theaters is risky because of investment on marketing and distribution and the 30 million Tax Write-off is easy money
Supposedly, Warner is now going to release the Coyote vs Acme, they're shopping for a distributor.