SY200 Send And Return
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Mine gets here tomorrow. Thanks for the interesting ideas. That all sounds great!
How exciting! I’m sure you’ll love it, it’s a mad pedal.
I just got my SY-200 and the effects loop is so good but also the possibilities are mind boggling
Happy new pedal day!!
I totally agree. Sometimes it’s like….Um….What…? Haha
I put my pitch shifter and Mel9 into the effects loop of the SY-200. Sounds great to be able to blend the old and new synth sounds together.
Oh awesome! That would sound really cool.
Wet/Dry and Wet/Dry/Wet is where it's at! My personal rig is a combination of Wet/Dry, Wet/Dry/Wet, and Stereo! My effects routing is insane, but the sounds are awesome!
Oooh I love the sound of that! 😍
I have no doubt I will be heading down this avenue in the near future. 🤘🏼
Wow, great video. So please, how could I do that if I just have my guitar and my Floor unit ? What to put between or what to do ....? Thanks For example I can put a noise gate pedal or a Distortion ...?
4:47 is really cool tone for ambient and space rock.
Hello! One question, when you turn on the pedal does the gain increase a lot? Because they bought it for me and when I turn it on the volume goes up a lot.
Can someone please answer this for me???!! Can this synth send MIDI notes thru Midi out?
Good informative video thumbs and subbed.
I finally owned one now and it’s great. I wonder if theres a way to make it work with distortion with only neural pluggin like a soldano or the boss katana 50mk2 distortion i have a focusrite solo 212. I’ve put it in front of the amp with chuggs and it’s bad i want to blend the 2 sounds on a budget.
Thanks dude. 🤘🏼
I find with distortion that the SY200 works best afterwards, either in an FX loop or on a seperate channel. (Although some sounds do work well into a dirty amp.)
I sometimes run the SY200 into a second track on Ableton, or Cubase and process the sound from there. Works a treat alongside the Neural plug-ins.
Katana 50mk2 is tricky because it doesn’t have a loop. In that instance I’d set up your fav distortion pedal in the SY200 fx loop and run it into a clean amp. That way the synth effect stays clean and your guitar gets dirty. Just adjust the fx loop routing in settings.
Cool thing is this can be either system or per patch.
Hope that helps!
Thanks for the video!
How would you use the (send/return of) SY-200 in connection with a looper/switcher (where the FX-order can be changed)?
That is a good question! I unfortunately don’t have a loop switcher, but I imagine you could treat both effect and dry out of the SY200 independently and place them wherever you like.
Hi Dave, I'm late to the party as usual. I have my sy200 on my GT1000. I have a divider with guitar amp sim on A and sy200 on B with some delay (master) comp, and pitch shift (slight). My guitar goes in the sy with the direct send into the input of the GT1000. I then have the output of the sy go to the effect return on the GT1000. I use to have it in the effects loop like you had but I kept having balance problems with it being either too loud on the guitar or on the sy. I think I'm going to play with the direct levels to try and get it balanced more but so far so good. Just an fyi
Hey Dave, how would you connect this to a headrush gigboard, also using a ditto loop pedal, and a jhs overdrive? I’m kinda stuck here… thanks! Also, both outputs are running into 2 HR cabs….
Hey mate. Does the gigboard still have a send & return?
Personally I would run it in the loop, and adjust its position per patch, eg. Before or after amp.
So I've had the Sy200 for awhile. I have it in a EHX Parallel Mixer, Now i'm tying to figure out how I should use the Effects loop. I also need to figure out a MIDI switcher for it. lol!
The Morningstar midi switches are the bomb! 100% recommend.
FX loop is fun, try a bit of everything, you’ll find some great combos.
The different way your using when doing this video, are you using the input then OUTPUT on the sy-200 or Input and SEND? Trying to do what your doing like this with a quad cortex. The BOSS manual sucks, is the only button on the BOSS (Direct/Effects) or do you need to change something else too?
Ok, so on the SY200 I’m only using the input and output. The FX send & return is ignored.
On my GT1000 Core I’m using a mono send/return which has my direct level blended at the desired level with the synth sound, per patch.
In this case I love it and think it works wonderfully!
If you can think of/figure out another or better way to do it, please let me know!!
The BOSS manual leaves a lot for the user to discover, which is a pain. As far as I can tell it’s only that one option in the menu for direct/effects. The blend knobs seems to be entirely on the main signal.
Hope this helps. 🤘🏼
Nice video :-).
When you turn the SY-200 off via footswitch (bypass), does the signal still get passed through the effects loop?
Thanks! 🤘🏼
It does when you set the S/R to direct, as you can see/hear in the example with the Ultratap in the loop.
I have no idea if the signal still has to travel through when set to Effect and the pedal is off. That is a little beyond me, but worst case I’m sure there would be some form of buffer…
I've been looking around quite a bit and haven't been able to find much about using this thing in a stereo setup.
I split my signal after my dirt and run that to a small amp for a dry signal. Then everything after that is stereo, using my Boss CH-1 as the splitter to left and right.
I wish the SY-200 had stereo I/O and capability. That would absolutely seal the deal for me.
You could try using an ABY box.
With a distortion pedal in the fx loop, will the distortion work if the SY-200 is turned off, or must I adjust the blend to accomplish that?
If you want the distortion on your direct guitar, it will still be on the direct guitar with SY-200 turned off.
That is a setting in the menu which can be assigned per patch.
Thanks so much for this exposé! How about in the snd/return loop of the NUX MG-30? Would that work?
I imagine it would be fine. This thing is designed to integrate into any setup. I’ve used it in the send/return of my HeadRush and it works great.
@@DaveWebbMusic So you can move it anywhere in your chain?
Sure can. Comes down to personal preference where you put it.
@@DaveWebbMusic Thanks for your time!
Thanks for the video. I have the SY-200 and really want to use the S/R mode. But how do I use it with my live setup?
I`m using a Boss NS-2 with S/R to my dry pedals like drive and wha. And the other to my wet pedals like phaser and delay together with my FX loop on my amp.
So how do I combine the SY-200 S/R with the NS-2 S/R? The manual really dosen`t explain putting together two pedals with S/R
Hmm.. Man I’ve found it tricky to incorporate.
It all depends on how you’re using the SY200.
The S/R basically allows you to have seperate effects on the dry guitar, or on the Synth, and then blend back together.
So maybe try routing the dry guitar into the drive, wah side, and route the effect in with your wet pedals..?
@@DaveWebbMusic I want to set it up like you do. Because by now the NS2 kills the signal if I´m using the hold function. And other effects like phaser affects the SY 200. My signal chain is as follows:
Guitar - In NS2 - out to wet effects like delay, reverb ect. - into my return on the amp.
The send of the NS2 goes to the tuner, SY 200, wha, fuzz. distortion, wha nr. 2 and then into the amp`s input on the front.
And then the return of the NS2 goes into send on my amp.
Hi thanks for your video. I’ve seen many of your video about Headrush, so now I have a Mx5 and SY 200. I want to use some sound of SY with my mx5 (selected via midi). Could you tell me the best way to connect mx5 and Sy. I put my guitar in mx5 and from send to input of sy 200 then from output of sy to return of mx5 ! Is it the right way ? And in the chain of mx5 where i have to put send/return ? At first position ? At the last one ? Before head ? Thanks Silvio
Thanks for watching dude! 🤘🏼
Ah cool, love the SY-200.
It comes down to preference on where you want the synth effect routed.
Sounds like you understand the FX loop, but in this video I give an example doing this czcams.com/video/E23hZdXwEOU/video.html
SY before amp will push synth into the amp, and will then affected as well.
After amp keeps the synth cleaner.
Both can work for different sounds, and definitely worth experimenting for different patches.
I have a setup question. I have a guitar a few pedals a JVM410HJS a Boss TAE Attentuator.
I want to hook up the pedal so the guitar is going through the Preamp and I don't want the SY-200 affected by the Preamp Distortion. I want it clean to the speakers. But wouldn't mind taking advantage of the Effects in the TAE plus probably the MD-200 which I have as part of my Pedal Board.
Anyone have anything like this setup already?
I would use the same idea that I mentioned on your other comment.
Place the SY200 in the loop of your TAE, either simple in/out and blend, or use the send & return feature on the SY200 and route effect only to the TAE fx loop.
Hi ! What do you think about the GT-1000 in the effects loop of the SY-200 rather than the SY in a send/return of the GT-1000 ? I feel that it's easier and more versatile . And with the midi, it's possible to control the SY from the GT-1000 (except this fuc... on/off switch I don't succeed to pass at off...)
And I can control both with the EV-1-WL expression pedal 😀
If I understand correctly the GT1000’s output would be affecting the synth sound, and I don’t like that all the time. Allows for more flexibility with the SY in the GT loop.
Also in the SY loop means it would be mono & I run in stereo.
There’s no “right” way, that’s what’s cool.
I’m curious about the midi though. I haven’t set up the GT to control other devices. I might have to check that out!
@@DaveWebbMusicTo precise, the S/R of the SY is in direct mode so that the GT signal input isn't affected by the SY. You can blend the 2 signals with the D.LEVEL / E.LEVEL. And when the SY switch is Off, you have the GT only. But you're right, in this way only mono is not possible.
Hello, I have Boss sy 200. Knob D. The level is saved in all matches automatically depending on the position of the knob. But, knob E.level in all patches is displayed at 50% regardless of the position of the knob. Is this a bug? Or am I doing something wrong? Maybe you need to change something in the menu? Please help!
I replied to you other post. Hope it helps.
Is there an option to feed a totally dry signal through this and have a wet signal come out another output? I want to run my guitar straight into this and have a dry signal come out to go in the front of the amp, then blend the wet synth signal back into the fx loop. My goal is so I can play the synth and guitar sounds together whilst harmonising with each other... think that makes sense! I've got a signal merger box ready for this. Cheers!
In short, yes.
My first example does this more or less, dry signal through sy200 into the input of the Core (amp), but I am sending my effect level to my DAW instead of the loop.
I’m not totally up to speed with amp fx loops, but if I understand correctly, you can send the effect level from the send on the sy200 into the fx return of your amp.
OR
Just put the SY200 in the amps fx loop and blend back in the amount of dry signal you want. That is how I use it my Core. This way the synth level is not being pushed by the front of the amp.
Hope that helps!
@@DaveWebbMusic the pedal came today and the fx loop can be used just as a dry out, which totally solves my conundrum. So I'm running the 'send' to the front of my amp 100% dry and I've got the standard 'output' 100% wet to my amps fx loop return. You can then use your amps wet/dry control to blend the guitar signal with the synth signal without compromising the note tracking or losing your amps gain. Bliss! You will need a signal merger if you already have other effects in your amp fx loop to join the chain back together again. Hope this comment helps anyone else who fancies this seemingly obscure setup.
Hi great Video john From Florida. So how do you connect the IR200 With the SY200 via midi Thnx
Midi Connection is just a mini TRS cable.
BOSS sell them.
Then check settings and make sure the midi flow is set accordingly.
I got the Cables i just need to know how to set up the midi program Thnx@@DaveWebbMusic
Hey Dave great video again……have you tried the SY200 with your HR Pedalboard?
Thanks Sean.
I haven’t actually 🤔 I did use the SY-1 with the HeadRush though and it works a real treat!
This would be the same, just better.
@@DaveWebbMusic ok great and thank you!!
Hi ! I have a GT-1000 and a SY-200. Can you explain how do you plug the both together ? The SY just as an external pedal with send/return 1 of the GT ?
It all depends on how you want to use it. If you put it before the GT1000 it will b sent straight into an amp, the following settings will change the sound. Eg. Distortion etc.
I personally find that putting it in the send/return of the GT1000 allows you to have more flexibility. You can have it in any position, and then blend how you like it.
There’s no right or wrong way. Try it in multiple positions until you’re happy. It’s a pain in the ass! But totally worth it.
@@DaveWebbMusic do you use only one send/return block or both or divider ? For instance ton send the guitar signal where you want (with the send 1 only) and the SY output to the return 2 to place it where you want (in direct mix mode).
and the GTK input from the SY send to have the dry signal of the guitar.
Can yo help me?? I have a Boss GX 100 Just got the SY 200 This will be the only pedal used outside of the GX 100 sooooo How can I connect the SY 200 like in your last example?? Sorry for ignorance but im confused? I do not want to run direct due to hi gain patches distorting the SY 200 so you say create a mono in and out in your Core and I get that. I run stereo always so can I add a divider and do mono sum? What should I try? Thanks
Hey man. I haven’t used a GX100 yet, but I’m guessing routing will be similar.
If you put the SY200 in the mono fx loop, place that after the amp, you can blend the guitar and synth levels on the SY unit. The synth effect won’t be pushed by the amp that way. Then put your stereo effects after that.
I have since used a divider towards the end of the chain with synth 100% on one side and guitar on the other, they then blend back together, then I trigger that divider on and off, it seems to be working well.
There are so many different options here, using the fx loop on the SY200 etc.. But I’d start with that first suggestion above and experiment from there. You’ll find one that feels & sounds good for you.
Remember too, you can create different patches for different sounds on your GX100. We’re not locked in to one routing option anymore.
@@DaveWebbMusic Thank You!!! That helps
So if I wanted to, could I just plug it into an amp and play?
100%. There is a blend knob that blends your dry & synth levels together, and that goes straight into an amp.
Just keep in mind that both dry & synth get affected by the amps distortion, and whatever effects you put thereafter.
Can sound great, but less control.
I know the video is over one year old, but in case you check the comments: what would be the best place to put the SY-200 if I just want the synth to sound on its own with the effects, and not blend in any of the guitar's original sound at all? Basically, I need to be able to quickly swap between my normal distortion sound and a 100% synth sound
To get 100% synth sound, you can put it anywhere and leave out the guitar blend.
Personally I would put it before any effects and into a clean amp.
@@DaveWebbMusic Well, that's easier than I was making it out to be. Thanks! Can't wait for mine to arrive
Don't suppose you know if the send return loop is midi switchable?
It doesn’t seem to be. BUT it is save-able per patch/preset. So you can easy get the result you’re after on 2 separate patch’s.
@@DaveWebbMusic thanks! So you could make a patch with the loop on but the synth effect off and vice versa?
Correct! It’s pretty flexible.
Put ur tuner first and you can use it to cut out guitar when you don’t want it
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