AMD Talks RX 7600 XT Launch & Fluid Motion Frames
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- čas přidán 30. 05. 2024
- At CES 2024 AMD launched the Radeon RX 7600 XT and announced some updates to FSR 3 and Fluid Motion Frames. In this video Keith talks with Aaron Steinman, Radeon Product Manager at AMD, and goes into more detail.
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They keep talking about fluid motion frames only working on DX11 and DX12 games but it also works on Vulkan games, I think they should mention that also as there are Vulkan games like Red Dead Redemption 2 and I tested the beta 5 driver on it, works like a charm when enabling fluid motion frames.
Does that happen via the AMD Adrenaline package or is that a patch you can DL? If it's a patch that's why AMD isn't going to talk about it. That's the benefit of open-source.
@@johndoh5182 you have to have the new fluid motion frames driver installed, run the DX11,12 or Vulkan game and then open the AMD overlay(usually its alt+z) and go to the game tab and turn the slider on for Fluid motion frames, if the check mark is green that means it's on, of it's yellow that means you have vsync enabled or the games not compatible or your trying to enable it during a cutscene which changes the screen FPS. You also have to use the AMD metrics overlay currently as it's the only one that accurately shows the correct boosted FPS from fluid motion frames. It also stacks with FSR1,2 and 3. Also it works currently on 6000,7000 and 700M GPU's only atm.
I hope it will be available on release in Vulkan as well as it could maybe have some use in emulators which may be more likely to use vulkan than dx, and it may also allow using it in pre-dx11 titles via DXVK (and maybe OpenGL as well via zink, not sure how well that works on windows yet).
Would also be cool if they released it on steamos and linux but that may require making it open source leading to it maybe being usable on other gpus using the MESA open source drivers as well which they may not want.
@@olnnn Linux is moving to Wayland which may help with more AMD features being enabled, no news on AFMF on Linux, but it's driver level frame generation and usually AMD drivers are open source on linux, so we may be able to add it with a launch option or something through steam or Lutris ...we will see.
Does not work in horizon 5.
This was a good interview Keith. Smooth flowing and lots of info, spot on!
I wish the 7700xt also got more vram and was cheaper.
I got a 7700xt sapphire nitro for $362
@@DeadPiixxel ok, but that you... I don't think anyone else here is you :)
I also bought a (used) RX 6700 XT for $220 a year ago, but I found it myself. Other (99%) people are not so lucky
12GB is plenty for some time especially the price range.
I bought the 7700XT for $466 and its brilliant... cant wait for the AMD updates
I'm looking forward to seeing testing
These interview questions must written by AMD.
A near 200 watt TDP gaming card should not have a 128-bit memory bus of an office tier card the only reason to use such a small memory bus on a gaming card is to purposefully gimp it..
the thing is AMD GPU has larger cache to support the slow transfer rate to feed the GPU, so 128bit is kinda good enough for just 1080p gaming which this card is meant for but it will definitely gimp at 1440p. and im sure a lot of creators who are just beginning learning Blender Cycles and doing basic video editing is already good with this thing imo. you're just too narrow mind where you look at this with this card, as a creator my self id say it's the best bang for buck for doing creative stuff for hobbies.
Nah, it's so they don't need to respin new silicon. Over clock existing chips and add VRAM = cost effective new SKU creation with minimal engineering effort. Keeps the price low and margins worth their time. Makes business sense.
@@Mark_Williams. The only issue is that the price isn't low for the consumer, just for AMD.
@@magikarp2063 It's the new reality of life. New nodes aren't getting cheaper and inflation is a bigger factor than normal lately. I think "cheap" discrete GPU's are a thing of the past now. So much so, low end discrete GPU's basically don't get made anymore. Notice how the 4060 is as low as Nvidia will go?
So being economical in producing a new value card is a must. That's why the 6500XT was a mobile GPU stuck on a PCB to slot into a PEG slot.
if they give it 256bit, they will repeat the past. rx570, rx580, rx590, everyone will buy only rx570 because the difference in framerate is too little thanks to 256bit buswidth.
What I want to see is more Radeon mobile dGPUs in the same silicon as Navi 32, but more tuned for laptops and mini PCs, maybe in Spring or June or something.
I almost scoffed at it till I looked at the specs in comparison to the 6800 XT and did the math.
The 7600 XT compared to the 6800 XT has
- 93% of the effective bandwidth even on a 128 bus and a quarter the Infinity Cache.
- Has 0.88% more Single and Half Precision Compute.
- RX 7600 XT 22.57 TFOPS
- RX 6800 XT 20.74 TFLOPS
- Peak Half Precision Compute
- RX 7600 XT 45.14 TFOPS
- RX 6800 XT 44.47 TFLOPS
- Has 44% less Ray tracing accelerators
- RX 7600 XT 32 of them
- RX 6800 XT 72 of them
Seems this is where the 128 bit bus and cache catches up with it.
- Has 61% of the Peak Pixel fill rate
- RX 7600 XT 176.3 GP/s
- RX 6800 XT 352 GP/s
- Has 54% of the Peak Texture fill rate
- RX 7600 XT 352.6 GT/s
- RX 6800 XT 648 GT/s
It has 64 AI accelerators while the 6800 XT has none. That's given how AI is expected to revolutionize just about everything it could be useful if they can infer faster than the 6800 XT can use raw compute.
All said I want to see some benchmarks but it looks promising.
Can it Ray Trace any better than the RTX 4060 8GB. Or a better card for creators over gaming?
It is a better card for creators... I think the 6700XT is better for raw gaming today. I hope it quickly falls to 299usd cause that would force more cards including the Arc A770 16gb price to fall. I really don't think this is as bad as the 500usd 4060 TI 16gb.
The 6800 XT has 0 AI cores. And yes you said that. I'm waiting for RDNA 4 or 5000 series IF Nvidia can be considerate of human beings and actually have a good price for the mid tier which is what I really want. Because of the MCM design the RDNA 3 mid tier just seems lacking. You have to pay a lot for it and it uses a bit of power and this gen was supposed to bring power levels down. It does for the 7600, a non-MCM product.
@@johndoh5182 Power draw was never advertised as lower. Power efficiency was advertised as being better, and that has improved. The 7600 uses more power than the 6600, but achieves better performance to the point where more work can be completed for equal power draw. The only problem I see is that price was also hiked far enough that the 6000 series cards are straight up better bang for buck, barring fairly specific workstation applications.
You don't have to wait for anything its literally 7600 with 8gb more slapped on. Its the same performance plus a small clock boost that you can manually set on the 7600 anyway.
To be honest my RTX2080 8GB is doing ok, but i am frequently hitting VRAM limits these days and the RX7600 performance wise is the same as it. I think for this performance range you need around 12GB in modern games. Which is the problem with the RTX4070 that has a good amount of power but that 12GB buffer will limit it in the future.
@2:18 No FPS counter, hey? That means the game is well under 60fps on a static scene - otherwise, they would have flexed the FPS and show it. Who cares about the 16GB VRAM when the GPU isn't powerful enough to utilize it @1440p/60fps? BS marketing. They all do it.
What a jump in IMage Quality and FPS it can be on the mid-level gpus. Just wish AMD works hard it's drivers and game optimization, because 1440p and 4K (or 1080 ultra FSR3 RT) can be so much of a deal in Windows and Linux. It would reach RX 6800 theoretical TFLops output i anything other than computing OpenCL or Vulkan?
I hope the RX7600xt 16 is not more than $330 on the market.
because currently the price of the RX7600 8gb on the market is selling for $310 and RTX4060 8gb is $337
Where? Amazon got them for $269
Perfectly slots in between the RTX 4060TI 16GB. Why the XT branding for 16GB when RX 7700 XT only has 12GB?
Technical limitation
The direct answer is poor planning, both AMD and Nvidia are guilty of weird memory configurations compared to the ranking in product stack. That being said, 7600XT at $330 is way more tolerable than 4060Ti at $500. Hopefully next cycle the GPU folks at all the major players make logical pairings between card strength and memory configuration
If only they made the low end cards 12gb instead of 8gb.
Remember most of the games even new releases don't use more than 8 Gb vram anywise. Software and hardware should be accounted together to be optimized. Most of the Games make 0 use of vram above the 8GB vram once they are patched if they did at day zero for some reason.
Yeah what they do is not load textures, so they are flat while this will stop games crashing and performance tanking but there is a significant loss in image quality. Heck even in a 2019 game like Mechwarrior 5 8GB VRAM is not enough if you use basic ray tracing (global illumination) which doubles the VRAM usage. On my RTX2080 8GB i see VRAM usage 7.6GB and the game using 14GB which is 2GB higher than normal indicating buffer over run. 1% lows get impacted significantly when this happens. Average fps 110fps but 1% lows of 9fps. @@InternetListener
My 7900 XTX says hi
This is exciting stuff! Finally a modern eentry lvl GPUs capable of doing AI and game without VRAM constraints.
But, but, the memory bus. Quite often the compute is no where near as costly as shuttling the data from storage to RAM or to the GPU. It's the same for the CPU being forced to pull something from system RAM since it can't use or doesn't have the data available on cache. Someone with more engineering expertise feel free to correct me. I deal far more with code and love to be corrected as it reduces errors in a specific context that can make abstracts from.
@@lionelt.9124Ive looked into this very heavily (chips and cheese are an invaluable source) and youre spot on. As the guy said more cache does help but you really need a lot to significantly increase that hitrate especially when youve neutered your vram bandwidth to the point that youre extremley reliant on the cache, each miss is massively more costly. The 4060 ti has the same 32mb of cache which is actually significantly faster than infinity cache and look how that turned out. It would lose to the 3060 ti in a good amount of games at just 1440p. Also what is with the insistance of artifically neutering the memory speed itself on these already massively constrained 128 bit cards? Most 4060 ti's could do 22gbps OCd which is a hige jump from the stock 18gbps. Whats worse is that the 7600 could 99% chance do this too but AMD artificially limited the max overclock on the mem to 19gbps. Do these clowns at AMD just love shootiing themselves in the foot or what? Funny thing is memory binning seems basically non existent as the 20gbps stock xtx could also do about 22gbps ocd so yup, ofc it's artificial.
Im gonna buy one in June and compare it to my 3060 12gb.
They don't have a comparison demo to show us? It would have been nice instead of telling us the same things they already have.
RX 7600 should have been launched with at last 12gb from start. 7700XT should have 16. You dropped the ball compared to previous generation when it comes to VRAM.
No, it shouldn't have.
The 7600 is the low end GPU for this line, I mean MAYBE AMD puts out a 7500 XT with 6GB and PCIe 4 x4, but the 6500 XT didn't go well, so I don't think so.
Most of the world is using a GPU with 8GB VRAM or less.
Game devs NEED to have settings that allow for 1080p 60+ fps gaming using an 8GB GPU. If you don't believe it ask Todd Howard from Bethesda about saying Starfield players need to upgrade their PCs. Oh, he's not going to tell you that Intel, AMD, and Nvidia went to Bethesda and explained how the world works and that most buyers buy at the low end.
@@johndoh5182 Starfield is an example of how poorly optimized modern games are today.
How can a game as expensive as Starfield,
but the graphics quality is beaten by Matrix Awakened with only a PS5 machine?
🤣🤣
Getting it to 12GB would have required cutting the memory bandwidth. The only way it would have been possible was by using another GPU die (instead of Navi 33). You have no idea how this works. But yes, I'd argue it shouldve been 16GB at 300$ straight up, and a 250$ 8GB option. Note that adding VRAM also significantly increases power usage, so it may not even be that useful in most current scenarios (but it will within the next 3/4 years).
@@johndoh5182 Yes it should have, it needed more ram and thats it.
@@Bladings "You have no idea how this works" then explain it to me?
When you open your statement about your brand new product with "future proof" we can all smell the BS!
Some hard hitting fluff here... where the PB and bread?
Looks like it was launched to compete against Intel
better than an obsolete 8 or 10 gb nvidia gpu
Amd sgould have charged $300 max for it , cause rx7600 sells for $250 so $50 more for another 8gb could have been acceptable,
Some og the decision from amd dumb executive are mind boggling .
Hopefully this will shut the mouths of the people constantly harping that this card can't use the ram.
A 6700XT you can find for cheaper even with less VRAM its probably still better at higher resolutions because its a faster card a 6750XT can be bought for around whatever AIB models end up selling for or even less at least in the US and a 6800 non XT you can find for $369-$399 with 16GB of VRAM and much much faster than a 7600XT and 7600XT 16GB models will probably actually sale for only $30 less from partnered models than a 6800 non XT.
And the 6700XT is EOL.
Even if the 7600xt was priced lower, it would just push the 6700xt pricing lower as well.
Except no AI cores. Pair it with a CPU that doesn't have an NPU and you have no AI capability.
You all keep talking as if AI isn't going to start getting wrapped up in pretty much every piece of software you run. It will, including games.
AMD doesn't really have good "future proof" buys right now other than if you actually like RDNA 3 products. I'd rather wait for RDNA 4 because even the low end will be a lot better, with more AI power and AMD MIGHT find they have to move to temporal upscaling, something they've been avoiding but right now AMD is on the losing end of image quality with upscaling to boost fps. Even Intel's XeSS looks better and works better with Intel GPUs.
FSR eats up graphics cores to run so while giving a boost it takes away at the same time.
Future proofing WILL mean AI cores. It's just the way it is, and you'll figure out when games start using AI for game logic.
on old pc its horrible 128bits bus and 8x pci express.
Bad pricing. I'm looking for a new gpu and thought this could be great when heard about the roumors but at 330 its a hard pass.
I guess I'll just have to suck it and pay for the new 4070 Super unless AMD brings prices down.
Or get a 7800XT for $100 cheaper
I am unconvinced the Infinity Cache will completely make up for the lower memory bus.
Also, for 1080p, I don't think the 7600 XT is powerful enough for the 16gb to ever matter. By the time we start getting 1080p games that need that much vram, the 7600 just won't have enough performance. For the same reason, even if it does have enough for 1440p, I don't think there's enough performance for the card itself. I'd rather use a 6700 XT, I think.
The slight overclock will help it along a little. As shown in the video, it's running The Last of Us at 1440p, so it's capable of it and as shown uses more than 8GB (doesn't necessarily need to be all 16GB used to be handy, just having more than 8GB is the point of it)
We have resident evil 4 remake and others than can use close to that amount of ram right now..
Pfc it wint. Dont get me wrong the people saying it doesnt help at all are completely wrong but it absolutely isnt fully making up for it. The 4060ti got demolished by the slower (core wise) 3060ti whenever memory bandwidth became even moderately important. That has 32mb of cache too and it's actually significantly faster than infinity cache too. Theres nothing ive hated more from this gen that the awful memory syatems on anything but the flagships. Honestly maube even mlre than the vram because ik thats the buzz niw amd theyre just going to wait on higher density chips to give us even narrower memory buses even if the vram capacity is decent
It's kinda odd how the RX 6700XT is still the best GPU dollar for dollar. Well I guess that's why it's no longer available. Can't keep making a 3 year old GPU that's better than the new stuff.
Remember the 4060 Ti 16 GB? This is AMD's version of that. We all know what's going to happen when reviewers start testing it. If you don't know what I'm talking about, look up reviews of the 4060Ti 16 GB.
No wonder AMD only talked about this card for 20 seconds before going back to rambling about AI.
AMD and Nvidia are doing everything possible to destroy PC gaming as a hobby, and I'm no longer certain that bothers me given the microtransaction-riddled pablum that game developers are cranking out.
I guess this GPU is not meant for gamers then. AI hobbyists and creators will be very interested in this card however.
difference is price. 4060ti 16gb had an MSRP of $500, this has an MSRP of $330, way more reasonable. sure, 6000 series cards exist, but they aren't going to be around forever - i'm actually getting one of these cards, will be a nice upgrade from my 6650 XT
@@anarchicnerd666 7600 is already at a 6650 XT level of performance, the 7600 XT is gonna be 5% faster so upgrading to the 7600 XT from the 6650 XT is a waste of money. 7600 XT is a crap GPU that doesn't even deserve to be called an XT.
@@laszlozsurka8991 fair enough, but I can use the extra VRAM and i'm fine with 6650 XT levels of performance - i run an ultrawide at 3440 x 1440 so the extra VRAM for me is a godsend. not everyone's in my situation, but for me this is a good upgrade and stopgap till i can afford either a 7900 XT or a 4070ti Super
@@laszlozsurka8991I think youre wrong
It's another 4060 16 GB.
All the AMD camp is happy about the 16gb and talks about the future of the card...not so long ago the 3060 12gb had too much ram because it wouldn't be fast enough with future games to utilize it...and here we are
Who was saying that? Although when ram prices were super high during the mining era it caused *some* problems.
What a bunch of BS, they just took the RX 7600, overclocked it slightly and slapped an extra 8GB VRAM on it. A real 7600 XT should've been a cut down 7700 XT with a 160-bit bus, 46 CU and 10GB of VRAM.
Also imagine making a 7600 XT that's weaker than a 6700 XT and selling it for $329...
AMD should've launch the RX7600xt in 2023 - agree total BS!!
6 gigs are enough
There is only 1 major problem with this GPU the Radeon 6700 (and/or XT) 10/12gb exists which are cheaper, has larger memory bandwidth for higher resolutions and performs faster/better! Its situation will change once the stocks of 6700/XT's dries up though... PS. AMD Botched this card, if it was 299 they could have totally destroyed the 4060 and be the king of entry/mid range gaming market... they could have let that 30 bucks slide and just recoup the loss via massive sales, but no they have to be greedy...
But AMD is also releasing the 5700X3D within the same timeframe as the 7600XT, and the 5700X3D is $100 dollars cheaper than the 5800X3D. AMD has to find a way to recoup some losses. It just makes sense to place those losses in a product that can be bought by both AMD and Intel CPU users. But if you still feel that way, then in a couple of months, it should drop in price.
This card is way to expensive for what it does. AMD is now constantly launching cards with inadequate pricing, gets bad reviews, then drops the prices in a month, yet bad review damage is already done. Whats the point?
Actually that price is close to the 4060ti 16GB GPU's ideal price when it was launch...
you mean they are doing what Nvidia does? The company you love?
AMDs problem is they GPU prices are "ok for what you get" they need to be in the "impossible to pass down" range .
That's a silly opinion. It;'s a great budget option for someone who is looking to buy brand new.
You asked "What's the point?" Well it might bethat the extra VRAM also helps with training ai models, gives you a larger frame buffer since the card has enough power to utilize the VRAM and finally framegen is phenomenal. It wont get you from 60 fps to 144 fps locked, but it absolutely helps smooth out gameplay (personally at 1440p on cyberpunk with RTX on at decent settings on my 6800XT gives me around 100 fps which is the max refresh rate of my monitor which is just a little old that's why it's 100 hz, but it's still a 1ms ips display because when 1440p first became a thing a lot of 100hz displays hit the market and it's a great middle ground since with my hardware about 100 FPS is what I could expect at 1440p anyway. A great display while I save up and find which OLED I want to grab) which is a huge plus for a GPU of this caliber AND to top if off it can be done at the driver level. No mods or editing .ini files just a simple toggle in the driver suite.
What would choose over this card for same price, or even around the same price. $50 more or $50 less even?
$329 for a 16GB card with a decent performance is actually quite good, sure $299 would be a killer but $329 is acceptable , this could now be the new RX480 8GB
If Nvidia , will Crack 😂
terrible GPU
I think we have enough low end gpus, lets push for high fps 4k
$330 for RX7600xt is overpriced. $60 for 8GB vram is BS!
Worse than 6700 xt and more expensive
6700 XT and 6800 XT are the gpu goat's of 2023
RDNA2 was the most geographically locked GPU generation ever made. Only the First World had access to those for a couple of years.
The 6700XT is EOL and in Short time not more available on the market.
@@takehirolol5962only the US really they are rare and expensive in Europe
A used 6700XT maybe a new one if you can find it is more expensive and soon when the stock runs out you won't find them anymore
This feels toxic 😢
This is a lot of bullshit to explain why they released an XT model with the same shader count as the non-XT. Basically, this thing is just as stupid as the 4060ti 16GB but cheaper so nobody cares.