Missing the MARK! (Rolex Explorer 36mm 124270)
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The iconic Rolex Explorer is back at 36mm where it belongs! Rolex finally acknowledges the enthusiasts and its glorious roots with this return to form.
But for me personally it missed the mark! The key is the watch stance that the 36mm is known for is gone because of a new taper and smaller lug width. Only 1mm but it makes a big difference in visual impact on the wrist.
It doesn't quite feel like a true explorer! But it is a NEW EXPLORER! In an all new direction! More refined and cleaned up ready for desk duty!
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I'm against buying it to stick in a safe. Leave it for someone who wants to wear it.
Raves about the tool watch attributes….. buys one for the safe 🤦🏽♂️
It's very close to the old 36mm Explorer. The 19mm lugs are not an issue to find straps. The only issue is the spring-bar holes that sit close to the case. So avoid thick leather straps or thick NATO straps. The case has a little beveled edge to help support the end link. This will rub on your strap more than older Rolex references. All Rolex watches are meant and designed to wear on a bracelet, but this Explorer with 19mm is still a strap monster. This version is really refined but it's still one of the most versatile watches you can buy. It checks all boxes... Luxury, sport, dress, outdoor, work, casual, time only watch, and no one will know it's a Rolex. You are correct... this will look small at first but after a few days it will look and feel perfect. Many of us got use to wearing large watches and younger guys that are new to watches, did not grow up wearing small classic size watches ( pre-1998). So the size will throw you off a bit. However, 34-39 is the correct classic proper size for watches. Aesthetically 34-39/40mm is correct if the case/dial design is done right. As an older guy in my 50's, large watches look disproportional and look very out of place. Especially with a suit or smart casual wear. It's one thing to wear a large watch that's functional (diver, Chrono), it makes sense. It's another dying trend to wear big watches. A watch the size of a tea cup plate? No thank you it still looks off. We can thank Panerai and fashion watches of the 90's for the trend. Thankfully the Swiss watch industry is going back to classic wearable sizes. I got mine September 2021 and it's been my daily work week watch for a year. This and my Speedy are difficult to choose what I should wear.
Seems like all my watches are going the way of 19mm straps soon. Spirit 37mm, Vintage Grand Seiko, bb36, and another unkonwn gs that is on the to buy list. When I reviewed the 36mm datejust after this watch with 20mm lug width I loved how it wore on my wrist. Very surprising, and that was the trigger point for me to get into 36mm watches.
I had the 114270 and currently own the 124270. The updated movement and bracelet quality make the new one a winner for me. Extremely comfortable as well, often forget it’s on the wrist.
Thanks for sharing!
I have a OP 41 and the bracelet is so comfortable its crazy. It’s just on another level compared to anything else I have had on wrist but this is my first watch this expensive. I also have a seamsster but it’s on rubber
@@WatchUnwind ah that’s cool. I think you may have spoiled any other watch bracelet for yourself! Lol
@@triniboy05 definitely 😂
Did u ever regret selling the 114270?
This might be Rolex's most all around, complete offering in the catalogue
This an the OP range are extremely close in looks and specs of what your able to do wearing it.
Video was great until you started talking about values and getting on the list for one to sit in your safe as an investment. You are everything wrong with the Rolex market.
This is the world we live in. Rolex are great investments.
My thought and I wouldn't quite go that far, although I can agree with premise of your comment. I just purchased this in 2 tone and will of course where it. What I am disappointed in is the entire Rolex AD market. Love the watch but the entire experience for me, wasn't positive. I am plagiarizing someone else's comment I read somewhere. But I went to my AD and wink wink pretended I wanted a Rolex, and they wink wink pretended that they would sell me one. Here's my name, contact info, never heard back. And you need to do x y and z, yeah not happening. Not happy I had to go to the gray market but it was a lessor of two evils in my mind. Lastly to me this isnt even close to a real investment, reminds me of the crypto market and watching a ton of really good friends losing there ass on it. Maybe for whomever gets this when I kick the bucket! Sure. Lol.
@@EscapementWatch Wrong, falling and will still fall
You are right, you have no business in Rolex if you don't even wear it...
I actually like the 19mm lug width, I think it makes the watch look larger. I love how it wears on my 6.25 inch wrist.
Even though I wanted a 20mm lug width, I'd still get the newer one. The old 36mm just isn't worth it anymore.
Get on a waitlist to put it in a vault? Nice for those who actually want to wear it.
Yes I'm the only one on earth doing that.
I have a 7inch wrist and trust me it fits perfectly. Just classy..
Ive got the 114270 and 124270 in front of me now. I feel the opposite. The new 36 feels like the larger watch because of the bolder indices. Much prefer the new 19mm lug width. The 114270 is dominated by the bracelet. Why would a 36mm watch have a 20mm width bracelet like the old 5 series 40mm GMT/Sub/ Explorer 2 etc ???
Yes, it was definitely unconventional to have 20mm lugs on a 36 but that's what gave the explorer 36 its iconic stance, i love that wide stance. Thank you for sharing your thoughts
I agree with you. The larger numerals make the watch feel a bit larger to me...optical illusion obviously. I actually think the new one is better than the previous generation 36mm. What I would give for a 1016 though...it would be awesome to have one of those...
Were you ever wrong about the investment side of this watch. These are going for retail all day.
Great review! As much as I love the older 36mm, I do believe that this new one refines a lot of what the old one lacked.
Fair enough!
Your analysis is spot on. Why decrease the lug width if your goal was to return to the original dimensions? The larger indices and second track totally changes the dial proportions for the worse but reflects Rolex’s new design philosophy with modernized & bolder dials. I’m on the waitlist, Yeah right, but so far these are still very hard to pickup from the ADs. The secondary price was initially out of control but has since peaked and is setting back downwards. The initial surge has passed so you can now pick these up for much lower prices. I agree the previous model 14270 and 114270 are more aesthetically correct but not having lumed arabics and old style bracelet, not to mention the upgraded movement in the new watch. Still on the fence. I can pick up an older model for 40% less. Will probably sell my 39mm MK II. 7” wrist so right on the border. Both the 39 and 36mm work for me. A 37 x 44mm case size would have been perfect
I believe the change to 19mm was to make the watch head look bigger. Agree with all your other comments. I'm on the wait list too, 14 months and counting. Thinking of buying a clone just to see if it's worth the wait.
The real Seiko Explorer is SPB155/157/159 ;-P As to the 124270... boy, I'm loving it!!! Never experienced the old 36 or the 39 but even being the smallest of the bunch in my box, it sure does not disappoint. The bracelet is kind of lost on me, since the AD "screwed" the Loctite on few of the links and I'm waiting for them to loosen up.
Nice review. But I don't understand how you can talk about its "tool watch" features while also talking about it as an investment and literally keeping in a bank vault, and NOT wearing it.
Good morning FT! Thank you for another well made review. Let me share with you my personal "so far experiance" with the new Explorer. I picked up mine last week. And my initial thoughts were... uhhh... that is a small watch. Especially when you're used to wear bigger Seikos like the MM300 or the SLA033. I'm now wearing it for one week without changing to other watches, and I'm still not a 100% convinced in terms of the size. The strange thing is, I don't have that feeling with a DJ 36mm. 4-5 years ago I had the 39mm version, that on the other hand appeared too big for me right from the beginning. But no doubt... it is a beautiful and perfectly built watch and I will definitely give the watch and myself more time to get along with each other ;) Btw... I only waited exactly three weeks for the watch to come (official AD). Don't know if it was just pure luck or is it finally a Rolex model you can get before you retire. Wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas and take care!!!
Grats Marcel and thank you for sharing your experiences. Yes in the end I feel like its too small for my personal tastes. Still excellent watch for sure!
Where did you buy it? been waiting since launch for mine.
@@deroy08 in Mönchengladbach, Germany. They also had the steel and gold version there for pick up.
Also on the wait list for the explorer 1. My absolute grail watch and I expect it to be a rock solid investment. Who knows if I'll ever get that call but I refuse to pay grey or resale market prices.
Yeah this one sold already. They have a two tone now at studio29 but I wont review it. Hope you get yours from AD.
Not that much wait on this one, don't worry, you will have the call ;-) !
@@pippo1717
I don’t know, they told me not to hold my breath for at least 8/10 months.
@@giusepperocchi2979 yeah said to my sales rep I wanted it for a wedding in 2023 and was told I'd be lucky. We don't have a lot of rolex AD'S in Scotland so maybe just a case of being bottom of a big list.
I was waiting around for my OP 41 green for 1.5 years before I got the call. Hopefully it will come but I never thought mine would and then it finally did so keep the faith
My only watch for the past 23 years. Timeless design and versatile in any situation. Still in love with the watch.
Finally a reviewer who gets it - the changes that Rolex did mean that this new 36mm Explorer will never be as cool and handsome as the 114270.
I love my 124270. Rolex put so much thought into the design of this model. Wears fantastic, truly the most discreet of the Rolex sport models. The 19 to 14 taper is very cool a bit vintage and everything allows the watch disappear on the wrist if you need to wear under a cuff. The enhancement to the dial give the watch so much more pop over the previous 36 model. It’s not a watch everyone will appreciate, but those that can will own a very special piece.
Well said!
I recently picked up the 124270. Absolutely love it! Great to see Rolex return to the classic iconic 36mm.
The watch actually measures 35,2mm in diameter so it does not just "wear" like a 35, it is a 35. Imo it's just coherent to shrink the lug width to 19mm when it's a 35.
I’ve been wearing the new 41mm Sub for over a year. Purchased a 114270 in October. Wore it for a month and then sold it. It fit my 7” wrist well, but I missed the weight and presence of the Sub.
I actually got to try this on about a week ago. I went in to look at Oris and my buddy there said they had one of these in the back ( taken obviously ). So my impression was that yeah it did look a bit small. Your take on the hash marks is spot on, though I hadn’t thought of it. The dial just looked scrunched. I was wearing my 214270 so to be able to compare them was great. I think I prefer the matte dial to this glossy one, but I’ll admit if both of them had been on offer when I got mine, I’d go for this one. But I’m also quite happy with what I have. So : 🤷🏻♂️ Great to see it on the channel. Looks perfect on your wrist as it did mine. But you know. We just don’t have all the choices we’d like to have, eh?
'scrunched' is a great word to describe it! I should have used it! Spot on! It does look perfect on camera. In the end its too small for my tastes. Not 36 but this 36 with its design cues.
Interesting comment on the hash marks as even like this, the minute hand is still too short as well.
My favorite watch i cant believe that i walked in the AD bought it and left!
Great to hear! Enjoy!
@@EscapementWatch Cheers mate, great channel.
I have the 114270 and I absolutely love it. Although the better specs and bracelet I don't feel the need to make the change, for the same reasons you explained.
In 2015 I walked in and bought a sub no problem... now any of the sports watches are untouchable at retail price...i think this will cause people to consider other brands
Oh yeah will sour many from the brand for sure.
I was enjoying this review until this guy confessed that after purchasing the watch, he will put it in the vault. That is just appalling. Wear the bloody thing for christ sake!
Truth is I do not like Rolex, to me it is just an investment brand or social flexing brand for non-watch enthusiasts. I would never wear a Rolex.
I have it for 6mnths now. Totally love it. Recently also picked up 36tiffany but its no competition for explorer! Banger!
i love this thinking. Many people would prefer oyster tifany but only true OG would take explorer
68 years old so of course she’s a wee bit small. If you can get one from an authorized dealer, bag & tag it. Or wear it to the prom. No longer a tool watch but a classic none the less.
Really enjoying your videos. I’ve been hoping you’d do the new explorer. Glad it’s back to 36mm. Really want one.
The 214270 always and still does feel better on my wrist. It's all a personal choice and for me; scale and relationship to the wrist matter. Unless it's extremely noticeable - I'm not so much worried about the portions of the watch's design and if it's doing a better or worse job than previous iterations. That said, simply - If I had smaller wrists I would have bought the 36mm vs., the 39.
Thanks for sharing!
I have both the 214270 and 124270. I wear the 39 and my gf wears the 36. This watch is too small for the modern man
for me this is the perfect size for a robust yet elegant 'do it all' watch
Millions of people agree with you! Its hard to argue! Good choice!
I re-watched this video from the Longines Spirit 37 link. You said it was likely and I can confirm that I feel it's a bit small on my 7.25" wrist. Maaybe I could get used to it, but I don't know. I really liked the old 39 (tried a pre-owned on). I love the 38mm Alpinists when I've tried them on, and love my 39.5mm Alpinist. It's too bad Rolex cannot offer this in multiple sizes. I've seen some posts from owners with 7.5" and this new version and while I would not say that to them, I do feel the watch actually looked too small. It's all about proportions and it was not quite right on the bigger wrists. More power to them if they're good with it though.
You are definitely in a tough spot with that wrist size I would say it will be a bit too small for you. But for sure you can get used to it. 38 mm might be your sweet spot.
The QC guys must've been at lunch when that one left the factory. How does a watch with flaws you can spot with the naked eye slip thru? Shocking.
Can you blame them? It was TACO-TUESDAY the day this one was made.
I have same dissapointment that they reduced the bracelet from 20mm to 19mm. I also wish the sides of the bracelet links were also brushed, and the whole case as well. That would really bring the whole 'understated' look into it's own. 🙂
ohhh that would be nice! So you want it to be more of a tool watch and less dressy! I'd like that as well.
Was lucky enough to get
the 39mm MK2 from an AD a couple weeks ago. The 36mm was small for me that said if it was the only option available I still would've bought it.
What bracelet for your Alpinist?
I don’t know… just nothing about Rolex that appeals to me.
Yea I get that. Only Rolex I'd like to actually wear is maybe the Daytona. Nothing they currently make speaks to me either. Still fantastic timepieces tho!
You make great videos. What about a comparison between the 36 and the 40?
I would love to but the grey dealer who supplied me these watches is cut down or stopped selling Rolex as the market has been on a down turn. My channel is too small and insignificant to get the watches from actual companies.
Yes Aiden! Great minds thinks alike. This proportion and case shape is similar to 39mm, which I don’t prefer. Older 36mm is just perfect in every way. We called the 39mm as pancake and newer 36mm as small pan cake. Haha
The new one is a great size....nothing else to be said
@@StruanRobertson29true
All hail King GADA. Yes, by the standards of the last 15 years, it's a smaller, more refined watch. But that's the point. The mountaineers' watch tradition (as per Alpinist too) is of a smart, almost formal gentleman's 'one watch' (imagine!). It should do unobtrusive, double duty on the grouse moor, the boardroom and the Alp. The 39mm wore too big for this, and (like many Rolex of the last 10 years) had ill-conceived proportions. I'm glad the 36 is back, but for some it may be at odds with casual personal style (there's always the E2). But diversity is important, right? On a practical note, the size fits under gloves/jacket, doesn't snag etc - important stuff. But for sure, the size takes a bit of getting used to. Coming straight from a Speedy, Sub or Marinemaster, it's gonna feel small, but it's not TOO SMALL, just SMALLER!
Also, while the taper is to 14mm, the clasp is 16mm, which is quite big (bigger than a current Speedy). That gives a fair bit of balance. But, I'm interested in your '36mm'. I (and many others) can't measure more than 35mm!
As for the SARB Alpi - dude, what a watch! I'm running mine on an Uncle Seiko Jubilee and I'm blown away by it - they look so good on a bracelet!
Well said. And yes the alp is a charmer! Next week I review the Sarb017!
@@EscapementWatch Sweeet! Can't believe how much a bracelet transforms that watch.
36 will just look like a shiny hair on my wrist 😆
So he wants one at retail to keep it in the bank vault,I’m not watching any more of this shite.
If you want to invest, do it through stocks and index funds. It's very sad to buy and keep this watch as an investment. But each to their own.
The last 36 had solid endlinks 114270 not 14270 which is earlier still and lacked solid end links
i kinda wanted an older explorer but i just wanting a new one with my story attached to it and not someone else's :p
Does this watch 'float' on the wrist like the 2020 Submariner?
No it does not.
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Welcome! Would love to check it out if studio29 gets it is the only way we will review it as we are a tiny channel
39 mm was always unpropitious
Great British wearers of the Rolex Explorer 1016 include author Ian Fleming, zoologist Sir David Attenborough and independant watchmaker Roger W Smith
Very cool!
Love the Explorer. Imho, for those with wrists
Small size oddball lugs?? No way.
I want a titanium version but it would probably end up costing double
That would be pure Tegridy!
You can't possibly prefer the last generation 36mm explorer 1 over this new 36mm. Better movement, build and finish and superior and heavier solid bracelet.
Oohh itz woolexxxx
Itz underrated understated and flying under the radar 🥺
No one want it 😔🔥
It selling for 10k 😔
But i have no problem coz am supporting hanz wilzdove charity trust foundation 😔♥️👍🏼
Why do Rolex crystals stick out so far above the bezel? I don’t like that look.
Maybe a nod to all vintage watches where the crystals used to be 3mm of domed perfection
I was offered the 39mm version about 10 years ago while at the AD during my lunch hour while working on a holiday. I passed because I just got an Explorer 2 about 5 months earlier while traveling. To this day, I regretted it!
At this point, I probably put myself in line just to get this new version. Even though I do feel the older one looks better. ☹️
Until now I'm still on the "waitlist". Should I just get the Speedmaster instead?
2 very different watches. One is a simple 3hander sports watch and the other is a complicated chronograph that's much larger in size. Just get a Tudor black Bay 36 until you can get an explorer.
Not getting the BB 36 coz I already have the 58. I want a different brand. I will wait few more months for the explorer.. thanks for the reply.
I reckon they could make the hands just a little smaller so they are completely invisible, and the word Explorer at the top of the dial? let's just murder symmetry Rolex. 👎
I think my heart is set on 114270
Oh yeah 👍
you should learn how to use a caliper my friend, 35.4 in diameter for the glass and 36 for the case makes NO sense ^^
the edge rim of the bezel overhanges the case slightly. I did not measure the glass for this secret measurement.
It is a small, not particularly exciting Rolex. Every time I see it on wrists, too much bracelet vs watch face I.e like a women's watch. For an everyday all rounder it should have a glidelock too.
Just can't get into this one.
Rolex added 0.5mm to the thickness of the lugs themselves, to give them more heft. Hence the 19mm bracelet. It wears bigger than the previous design....I have both. Ignore the review entirely 😂
39 was perfect
The 39mm I found it wore like a 40-41mm on my wrist. After a couple weeks I found it too big for my wrist.
So beautiful! Another soulless piece of shiny jewellery. Dear God! Do men wear 36mm watches?
Hoarders, man... Try some virtue not fehmale vanity
Congrats! It is a beautiful watch! I did a comparison of this watch vs BB36 Silver on my channel if you are interested. Keep up the good work! Cheers!
I passed on this. If you want a 36mm just get the DJ with fluted bezel.
Nah, 20mm bracelet on the 36mm Explorer looks like an after thought. It looks like they just grabbed a Submariner bracelet and tossed it on this smaller watch. The 19mm bracelet looks far more balanced and refined for this watch.
Been enjoying my 124270 so far, wears far better than my OP36, despite having similar specs.
By the way, this watch was never $7k CAD… after tax in Ontario it was $8.5k in December when I bought it. It’s now around $9.5k after the Jan 1 price increase.
Disagree. Milling out the explorer 36mm case to exactly 20mm lug opening is not an after thought. It is planned and deliberate. Also, we never include tax's in our prices as every state/province has their own %.
36mm is too small. It even looks small on your 6 1/2" wrist. Rolex realized their mistake and hence the 40mm was introduced.
Too small!
Have you tried it on? I also thought it was too small since I’ve been trained 40mm is ideal size. I tried it on and it is perfection on my 6.5 wrist.
@@michaelriera6277 I’d love to! But where do you even buy one these days? I had a 38mm watch and it was right about as small as I can go. My wrist is very thin as well.
I’m selling my sea dweller to purchase this
So why is it missing the mark?
larger arabics (maxi dial) making it wear smaller and larger taper on lugs making it wear smaller.
@@EscapementWatch Thank you for sharing.
And its cost ~7k 🤣🤣
And you must kiss ADs highness to let you handle one🤣🤣🤣
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19 mm? Deal breaker for me
First
So you're on the wait list just to make a profit, even if you don't really like the watch and don't intend to wear it?
It's people with that mentality that are driving prices up and make watches unobtainable to others who truly appreciate them.
If you want to buy a watch you should want to wear it, al least on some occasions. Otherwise you're not a watch enthusiast. Not in my book at least.
Fair enough, I am not a watch enthusiast then. But to me personally, rolex are investment pieces. Most people I know in my life and in my small daily circle *around a dozen or so* all have rolex's and are the furthest things from watch enthusiasts.
@@EscapementWatch so you're just an opportunist
Missed the mark big time. You say it’s more refined but I disagree. The larger markers look goofy and the thicker lugs make the watch lose its elegance. Not to say that the modern Rolex clasps, although solid, are too chunky.