Gil's Arena ERUPTS Debating The Laziness of NBA Defense
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- čas přidán 25. 02. 2024
- Gil's Arena ERUPTS DebatingThe Laziness of NBA Defense as Gilbert Arenas and Rashad McCants BATTLE over the idea that defense in the modern NBA is lazy and the reason behind the NBA insane scoring this season is simply the fact that nobody wants to guard their positions anymore.
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McCants hasn't worn the "rusty crown" since Swaggy P clowned him for it 🤣
About time lol
THANK YOU NICK.
What episode was that ? i gots to see that
@@tommyisdaboss the nick young episode it streamed a month ago
@@EliDSageHeading there after this. Lol
It’s crazy because when Gil was talking about phoenix suns offense he never even brought up how Grayson Allen is shooting the best 3pt percentage in the league. You literally cannot play defense the same way as 15-20 years ago
They also didnt let the offenses get away with travels, carries, and illegal screens 15-20 years ago.
@@joshuamccall8043yeah instead they had illegal defense rules which allowed u to have complete offensive liabiliteies on the floor and the offense still be able to function. in todays game u realistically dont function as an offense with more than one non shooter unless ur like the warriors
@@joshuamccall8043half the stuff ya call traveling is ya not k wing the game it’s way more advanced now
@@legorovers9838 illegal for today legal back in the day. They should go back to defense being able to stay in the paint.
@@kenyonmckee2268 ive been watching the game since the late 80's. The gather step with two additional steps would be called for traveling. The moving screen would be illegal All those hesi would be carries. Half the shit they do in the nba you cant do in college, hs, and middle school.
“Every team doesn’t have shooters like the phoenix suns” while literally every team has 4 shooters on the floor at all times 🤣🤣
Warriors be having shooters on the court and I literally see teams live with a klay 3 over a Steph 3
@@weinaracewarandslaverystar3408 facts.. but the point is, just cause a guy doesn’t have a “name” doesn’t mean if you leave him open he’s not going to scorch you for 6 or 7 lol
@@5pazz I believe teams had that back in the day but it was considered Harlem globetrotterish to chuck a bunch of 3s up, They didn’t have as many as today but they had like 80% of the shooters, like Steve Kerr might only average 4 attempts when he played when today he would average 10, but teams absolutely will allow the 3rd or 4th option to beat them other than the 1st option
@@weinaracewarandslaverystar3408 there were GUYS sure, it was called being a “3 point specialist”. And you’re correct they didn’t let them let it fly, nevertheless that furthers my point because now EVERYONE can shoot.. the days of packing the paint and laying off waiting for drivers is over because you have to respect all 5 players most of the time.. that was never the case back then
And still lose
Defenders used to be able sag off into the lane, 2 guys on the blocks, sitting at the free throw line. Nobody was worried about the 3 point shot. Defenders had to cover half the distance, and even on a switch they are only covering 15 feet. Now that everyone can shoot from deep, defenders have to cover an extra 10 feet in every direction. That spreads the floor and opens lanes to the basket. Offenses are now doing things like having the screener on a pick doing give and go handoffs back to the ball handler while the ball handler is going downhill, then the screener steps back behind the 3. Defenses aren’t lazy, they can’t keep up with the firepower on offense.
Nobody is posting up in this era so it’s not that much distant not many are kicking it out when they are going in for a Dunk.
So are they really that athletic then
@@jaeslice1012 Is who athletic? Do you even watch the game?
Gils whole defense point has been mine for years now, help defense isn’t seen as much in the lane bc you have to guard the perimeter at all times now, no more 2 bigs clogging the lane for help
Most teams In the 80s and 90s had 2 shooter shooters on the entire team. And probably only relied on one because the other one was so bad at defense. To where today there aren't even that many 3 point specialists in the league. Most offenses have players that are versatile. So when a player does rotate from one side of the court to the other to stop a catch and shoot opportunity, the 3 point specialist of a decade ago wouldn't have been able to attack the close out. In today's game Most guards or wings can attack the close out. It's so much harder today on defense
them niggas still shoot trash so its stupid every playoffs these teams get abused cause of lack of shooting
The point that Sheryl and Rashad have been mine for years. Players don't want to do all the defense work because it's more difficult to play defense today. So the players just give up.
Or they can just hand check and go back to physical play they had teams with full shooters back then too but come playoffs it didn’t work
@@TA-ht4jonot true. It’s just really difficult to play 80s and 90s defense today. For example you have the Thunder when Cason Wallace or Isiah Joe is on the floor with the starters, you have 5 people in the game who shoot 38% from 3 or better. You pre-rotate to stop the roll or you drop to cut off the midrange for shai and there is a plethora of threes and drives available. Shai throws it to Chet on the wing, your team rotates. Chet can beat the rotation of the dribble, now you’re in scramble mode. Chet from here can pull up a middy, post up, or dish to opposite corner. Point is when everyone can shoot, pass, and dribble, you cannot stay true to old principles because offense gets too easy
They talking like the court is 6 ft wide 😂 nobody is rotating that fast when there’s 4-5 shooters on the court 🤦🏽♂️
Bruh it’s crazy because they played at highest level sounding like this
@@hurricane3789there is a reason Rashad was out of the league quickly. Lol
4-5 people willing to shoot * is different then 4-5 who CAN shoot. just because everyone is jacking 3s up don’t mean they are hitting them at a high clip
@@KAMEOALLAHIM true but it’s not like the ppl that are willing to shoot are terrible shooters
But I thought y'all told us that players today are stronger, faster and more athletic. So why can't they rotate that fast?
The old school game plan is to force players to shoot long jumpers. The modern NBA is about protecting the perimeter. The game has changed and the shell defence, split line help is never going to be effective in today’s NBA.
No teams would still rather you shoot a jumper than a lay up so that part hasn't changed
If what ur saying is correct then they just haven't figured out how to defend then basically in this day ... cause it sure seems like most teams can't play defense not all but most
@@jaeslice1012 harder to play defense with the amount of shooting and spacing on the floor
Yeh I think this is the common misconception. NBA teams actually have figured out how to defend. Uncontested or corner threes are the most efficient shots on the court so defences are designed to limit these shots whereas from 1960-200 the most effective shot was the layup or show within 5 feet so defences were designed to limit those.
its crazy how they missed Gil point and I rarely agree with him but he was 100% valid and it shows how retired players don't take time to study new school basketball and don't understand what they're watching
Gil mentioned the difficulty in having these, um, discussions, without a whiteboard and that would actually be a pretty cool thing for the crew to have from time to time. I really enjoy when everyone gets into nitty-gritty details but sometimes even they can't follow each other and it would be great to have some sort of visual. Doesn't need to be a computer thing - put a whiteboard off to the side that they can wheel in when they want it.
I agree, they should do a whiteboard segment and breakdown offensive and defensive would be awesome
That would only solidify how dumb McCants is about discussing basketball.
Haha to be fair, Rashad is entertaining even if he is wrong. They are in the business of entertainment, not education and most people don’t really care who is right. We just love to hear them argue 😂
San Antonio vs heat. Golden state vs cavs. The whole word saw Gil’s point being proved
They killing Gil with this take tho.....all defense is, is effort...and YOU DONT SEE THAT ANYMORE
McCants doesn't understand the very simple concept that on average players today are more skilled and better shooters. So when he said there is no dead weight, he means there are no charles oakleys anymore guys who defend but not score. So defending the other 29 teams are harder because you have more shooters on every team.
Oakley could shoot. Deadly from 18 ft. And he really wasn't a good defender. He was more of an enforcer (help defender) Your point would make more sense if you said Rodman.
Players really just lazy, because if you play actual defense its a foul.
Those dudes could score.They sacrificed for the good of the team.
No Charles Oakley anymore? Oakley can score during his early day. If we're talking now, players who defend but not score, what do you call the Morris brothers, PJ Tucker, Patrick Beverley, Draymond ain't been scoring in years now.
FYI it's a statistical fact that today's players are not better shooters with the exception of a few players than that of the players before them. They shoot the 3 more thanks to guys who says shooting 3s are better than long 2s. Also based on what I just stated can we please get rid of the notion that high volume shooters are not in the game today?
Old heads don’t understand meta, evolution of the game, and analytics. Gils doing good for the basketball world
Old heads know defense.. you young heads have never heard of it lol
@@chrisrunyon2372 old heads didn’t have to guard witch craft, defense is overrated with soft foul calls. Also there was the defensive violation to either double or stay man to man, no in between
@@akisuzuki it's not witch craft.. its called traveling, carrying, and not being guarded
@@chrisrunyon2372 you think Bob Cousy is good? It gives perspective on how much better players get overtime. You probably just can’t tell after a few decades, so that why I brought up Bob Cousy. Also the three point line was shorter for good reasons
@@akisuzuki See right there shows you have no idea about Basketball. You can't Compare eras because the rules and games are different. You see players back then and judge by how the dribble thinking that's their skill level lol.. that was how they had to dribble per the rule book. No 3 pointer, 2 hand checking, ect. Today's game there is traveling, palming, space, and damn near no defense.. that doesn't make the players today more skilled, they look that way because they are allowed to do things no other era was allowed to do. You really need to go do real research on the way the game was played in all eras. there is no way you can Compare Players from different Eras and judge them against each other. It's impossible
Gil’s right. You rewatch a 90s game now, a lot of the time the point is left wide open on the perimeter and he’s only looking to get the ball inside. In the early 90s teams were averaging 7 three point attempts per game, last year it was 35 per game. The idea that you’re going to play old school defence against a modern offence is laughable.
All these threes knocking them down
Mccants started walking into them bullets lol
When gil said maybe if you shut the f*** up and let me say it.....right so you was at the 2....after Mccants went on that rage lol my stomach hurts again😂😂😂😂😂😂
Best way to quash this debate is to show tape on how fast ball movement and player movement are done nowadays.
this is a fact, two clips side by side showing differences in intensity in the game. Old school defenders wouldn't last in the new NBA
u cant see any defense on that tape too
this is the best discussion that has been posted on this channel. I enjoyed it full
I cant get over this man actually stealing michael Jordans whole wardrobe that shirt says Air Mccants😩🤣
Maybe he has a deal with Jordan since he played at UNC cus damn lol.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yooo lmao, I would’ve missed it if I ain’t come to the comments. 😂😭
I just noticed that
This is the comment I was looking for😂😂😂.
Gil is saying that most teams have 4-5 shooters on the court instead of 1-2 like in the past.
It's easier to guard when you can crowd the paint. Nowadays you can't crowd the paint because the ball will keep swinging until it hits a open shooter.
accidental basketball, like Kobe said years ago. they don’t run fundamental plays anymore just pick and rolls and kick it to the corner
@@jalilcook5113Kobe's era was literally the trash era of offense
@@Valorant_Dem0n97more like the last era that allowed teams to play defense.
@@Valorant_Dem0n97 That was also Gil's era.
@@Valorant_Dem0n97 nah, the offense wasn't trash back, the game was more balanced. Players had specific roles instead of being expected to be everything all at once.
Gil your best show... this is the convo I wanna hear
What they fail to realize is the same way somebody can put up 1000 shots a day and still not be a good shooter you can give all the effort you want and still not be a good defender
Doesn't seem like you can give any effort on defense at all.
Agreed, I feel like defense is effort AND athletic ability. Can’t think of elite defenders that lacked strength and/or speed/quickness, along with good instincts
@@deajaidawkins6106 true but you have to know how to defend. cutting off angles, where your help is, how to send ppl to the baseline, etc
@@wolvesliveforever6793 And Sheryl's point was that players today don't want to put in all that work on defense.
@@TA-ht4jo yeah that was her point, but players are way more crafty and there’s more space on the floor. that’s why the best defensive teams now usually have height and length
The "HE CANT BEAT ME IN NOTHING!" rant is epic 😂😂😂
"Shootin.... XBox.... CAARDS!!!" 😆🤣🤣🪦👻
McCants is legendary
hahahah Gils face though when mccants was going in lol
The nba handcuffed defenders by recreating the game as non-contact sport. NBA defenses are not allowed to meaningfully defend shooters because it is illegal to touch or even blow on them. Defenders are only allowed to be cones. Combine that with lack of effort and general competitiveness and you have a shooting contest/skills competition. We don’t know how skilled the modern player is because they have yet to be faced with defensive adversity.
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Défense is incredibly hard.
In team defense, you want to force the lowest percentage shot for that team and individual.
At the elite level, you can't stop them shooting.
Now, even the 5th scoring option has shots that they can shoot well enough to be a threat you just have to pick your poison.
Just saying run shell drill against some of the most skilled and athletic basketball players in the world is crazy.
That sounds like the NBA promoting its product. Players have evolved so much😂. Nah defense just aint apart of what appeals to todays fans. At an elite level you force the offense in to taking the lower percentage shots (whatever is apart of your game plan). We are watching an era where the best defense you’ll see is teams willingly trading buckets😂
Lmaoo when Gil used McCants and his team as an example it was over and you can see it on McCants face
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Yeah he cooked him with that
Destroyed him mccants need a bathroom break 😂😂😂
Nah. It’s a bad take by Gil.
McCants is making that face because he just stated that Gil keeps moving the goalposts.
@@GmkSuperstarsit was an irrelevant take. What does a team 20 years ago have to do with now?
People glaze Gil for no reason.
The loudest person in the room is usually the weakest or has the weakest argument.
I listen to Gil talk about a whole bunch of things happening on the basketball court just for McCants to say “he doesn’t want to talk basketball.”😂😂😂
Seriously, this was a great conversation.
Auntie Sheryl was instigating at 33:14 😂😂😂😂😂 love you Titi 😂😂😂
I don’t even understand why Gill point was being argued against
I swear I was confused on why they were disagreeing with him
I think it was because they were so sold on their point that they couldn't agree because they went too hard
He was talking ❗️❗️❗️
they were saying if you WATCH the games today, it is obvious only minor effort is being made - so to point to all the reasons Gil was going on about (valid as they may be); it's misleading to point to those reasons as the SOLE reason given the obvious lack of effort.
@@pookiepats eh , no 🤣
I swear Gil is crazy but when he's right he's right
Fr, the floor is so wide open due to just about everyone being able to shoot
This is NOT one of them times dudes are Not trying to play defense
😅😅😅😅 Gil dumb as hell
@@nahrihickman1662But everybody can't shoot
But one out of 50 isn’t a good % 😂
The Bucks is a good example of what Gil is saying. Homie delusional
Good conversation
Gil explain it like this. There is too much ground for them to cover/recovery. The game is so spread out now. The specialist will make you pay for helping off
Because of the soft rule. No hand checking
@@5starathlete804they still hand check and make contact with the ball handler every possession and yet less fouls called per game than ever before. Go look at what Luka siad to JJ about hand checking.! The guy who haters used as their poster child since he said it was easier to score in some ways, he himslef siad “what do you mean if they brought hand checking back? Guys do that right now. I get hand checked every game”.
Seriously go watch any game right now from last night. Tell me that you don’t see guys making contact with the body on drives that isn’t called almosf every possession
@@5starathlete804 that truly has nothing to do with spacing
@@argosbrave6415 but that helps the defender tremendously.
@@5starathlete804how is that gonna stop Jokic?
Gil’s analogy applies to Suns, TWolves, Celtics, Nuggets, Warriors, Bucks, Clippers, Heat, 76ers. Almost every team has four guys that can bring the ball up the court. Every team has bugs that can shoot the three.
i dont get why so many people cant get it, the skill in ball handling and 3 point shootin have increase A LOT, every one admit that but wont admit its harder to defend? its just about effort and mindset? lol
Anybody can bring the ball up the court today, there’s no full court press
Facts 💯
@@carlosmitts654dude you cant touch these dudes while dribbling, the rules help these guys tremendously thats why it looks "better". Tim Duncan could bring the ball up in this era. Guys who shouldnt be taking 3s and bringing the ball up is why the game looks so fluky
They could d o that back in the days to they just didn’t need to
It takes so much more effort to play team defense today. The floor was shrunk with a lot of non-shooters and a lot of people not willing to shoot back then. The ground you have to cover these days is crazy. To give that effort for 82 games with more possessions than ever is a crazy ask. Only a team with the best of the best defenders can do it.
Sounds like a bunch of excuses. So I guess the players should just give up on defense, huh?
Who said give up? I’m speaking about what your body is able to handle. Playing defense takes much more energy than playing offense. If the ball is moving more than ever and offense are covering much more ground than ever, how will a team be able to do that at 100% energy 48 minutes 82 games? Go back and watch games in the 90s they’re practically walking around on defense because there was less shots, less ball moving and less spacing. Youre not respecting the level of difficulty it is to play elite defense
@@Flagrant32yet KD has issues playing Celtics when allowed to have to defend physical defense. Defense also wears down that offensive man. Gil gives excuses for players being lazy.
@@user-qs2ll1em7e I have some homework for you. Go look at the spacing and ball movement in the 90s compared to now and also notice how less of a threat there was for teams tk actually shoot the 3. You had to cover a lot less of the floor then.
@@TA-ht4johow do you hear excuses out of cold facts??? If you’ve ever watched a full 90s basketball game, you’d INSTANTLY see and understand it was easier to play defense and crowd the paint back then
they needed the clip board for this convo
Kobe said it best that nowadays it is accidental basketball, meaning they only run pick and rolls and pass to shooter if they open or drive in. They don't even know where each player is most of the time on the court, while back in the OG days, they ran solid plays so everytime down the line they knew where to find an open man if the defense gives you a closure.
yeah that’s literally what they don’t wanna say tho
I completely disagree lol, this entire season I've seen beautiful basketball
nah man what Gil described is the Houston Rockets with James Harden and CP3 the year they almost beat the Warriors it was that exact same type of setup 4 shooters 1 person can do everything but great at 1v1 they almost won the nba finals if they didnt miss all those 3s they win the series Harden avg 38PPG if its jordan or kobe they will avg 49ppg possibly 58ppg
love kobe but nobody in his era could shoot and i laughed out loud at set plays. players can score better now because they can shoot better now which opens the whole court. lakers offense was stagnant and slow and with two gods like shaq and kobe barely scratched 105
@@mysteryfollowedbylogicyea you drunk.
Gil adds the most important to any and every argument PERSPECTIVE AND CONTEXT, he’s 100% right it’s very simple why is this argument still a thing 😑 90’s early 2000’s there’s wasn’t 4 or 5 guys on the court who can shoot ALLLL 48 MINS.
Shoot for 48 minutes with 60% intensity games. Watch em crumble in the playoffs
Yet watch in the playoffs they manage to get locked up by Miami or Memphis 😭😭 There is no reason Giannis can’t be a great defender besides effort
@@bahj3758I don’t understand. Are u saying giannis isn’t a great defender?
@@YangoBord He’s not. He is a corner piece for a good defense but he himself doesn’t shut his match up down. Then if every team is shooting 3s all game how are you a great defender for protecting the rim? 😭
That ending was pure gold
This is good one here
Lot of respect for Gil as a past player respecting today's offenses - because he knows if he was in his prime playing now with 4 shooters around him he'd be averaging 33 on 48% shooting
you know he just does that to gain subscribers right? gil be on his bullshit a lot
@@el84oro No it's true. He was averaging damn near 30 in an era with WAY worse spacing. He'd be a monster in the current era. He was a monster _then!_ The only reason he's not in the Hall is because injuries cut his career short, on some Grant Hill shit. He was DOMINANT
@@el84orou would have a point if he didn’t have valid logic. This is a different league
@MICjordanTPR why disrespect a generational talent like Grant Hill with mr only 3 good yrs😂😂😂
@@baller0724 Fair enough, Grant Hill's injuries robbed us of a far greater player overall -- he was basically LeBron 0.7 -- but my point still stands. BOTH would have made the Hall if not for injuries.
Mccants was just loving how they brought someone else just delusional as him on the show🤣
rashad da best one dawg
Sheryl’s swoopes my guy is the best defender ever in the WNBA check her stats
@@keenanharris5248 that doesn’t change their delusional think of the modern nba
@@keenanharris5248Swoops played on a stacked team when the WNBA wasn’t that good
@@keenanharris5248she never played in the NBA and from the sounds of it don't even watch it lol. Thinking she has the answers to song the different nuggets offense from the couch is wild
Both are right main problem is the more offensive fire power u have the weaker the defense is.. since everyone copies each other especially a championship team if there winning without having a point of attack player or just more offensive then defense.. no reason to change
Murray is a good defender kcp is a great defender gordon is a great defender mpj is 6'10 and a good shot blocker and jokic takes up Hella space
Love yall 😭😭😭🤞🏾
Jokic cooks all the BEST NBA Defenders. Giannis, Draymond, AD. He is way stronger than he looks, he can shoot from anywhere, he can score in the post. He can score in the mid range. He can pass from anywhere. He passes people open. Ive watched AD do everything against this man and not be able to stop him. This idea that Jokic can be stopped by “picking him up” and “showing effort” is fucking hilarious.
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McCants and Swoops idea is to make him work full court instead of just letting him dribble freely which I agree with. Also with pick and rolls, guys don’t fight through them anymore. They automatically switch everything even when a real pick hasn’t been set which is crazy. Gil is right about today’s players being more skilled and it being hard to guard but it is a lot of lazy defense too.
@@Gi-or8bkTatum, Brown, Dame, Giannis, Embiid, KD, Curry, SGA, Kwai, Paul George, Bron, AD, Kyrie, Luka, D. Fox, T. Haliburton, Jimmy Buckets, D. Mitchell, Ant Man, Kat, an Ja Morant. Plenty of guys that can’t be guarded all elite offensively.
@@sjwilliams5883 yet all of them have been locked up before and none of them try to lock anyone up besides 3-4
Too add on to your point,Jokic is way faster and mobile then what he looks as well
It’s funny, I think the reason why they’re getting this worked up is they can’t slow down to see that they’re both right!
Teams have sacrificed better defenders to stack their teams with better scorers, so of course these better scorers are not going to work as hard as the old defenders did.
This conversation goes to the next level with a whiteboard example. Y'all need something of the sorts asap.
19:15 “Boo this man”😂😂😂😂😂McCants funny asf istg😂😂😂😂
i’d love someone like Mccants to magically return to his physical prime, get on an NBA team and influence defensive rotations to play the way he’s describing and watch as the worst teams in the league torch them night after night on pure shooting 😭😭
Record breaking 3 points made 😂😂😂
Facts 😤😤
He’s talking about effort. Even Kenyon who was an elite defensive PF said he watches games and sees a lack of effort or little things not being done to ruffle the offensive player. But because Rashad and Sheryl are saying it, well he was average player with a short career and she starred in the WNBA, so their opinions are irrelevant.
Most of the best ex-player coaches weren’t stars. Kerr, Udoka and Lue never averaged more than 15 in a season either. So trying to ascribe basketball knowledge to Rashad’s NBA success as a player, is misguided logic. You have high IQ stars, but some aren’t. I don’t consider Ja Morant or Jayson Tatum high IQ hoopers. Not all these dudes are Kobe, MJ, Magic, Bird, Jokic, Lebron, Stockton, Duncan, CP3 etc. Many of these new players are coming into the NBA after 1 year of college, so they’re grasp of the game isn’t level with their skill and talent.
@@ninocrown3247 i agree with the sentiment of effort on the defensive end not being as prominent but i think what ppl are failing to see is how optimized the game has become and the reasons behind that. It’s not because people don’t want to play defense it’s because that type of defense doesn’t work in the same way on a night to night basis, it’s not sustainable. You can put in the extra effort on defense but 9/10 times when you are up against offenses that are just factually statistically better at every level of scoring on the floor, you are going to get torched reverting to the style of defense they are talking about. it’s not just about the star player anymore
@@ninocrown3247 basically what you said in short is: the game is different than it was. i disagree that their opinions are irrelevant also but the problem is the best ex players did not play in this era, they played in stagnant offenses because people were less skilled than they are now because they adopted a proven style of play that worked for them back then. its just the evolution of the game.
i think that there’s a way to apply more effort on defense in a more modernized set style and i believe we see that in the playoffs defensive schemes. but what rashad and sheryl were saying basically just amounts to “dudes are lazy and don’t play defense if they played the way we did things would be different” they right teams wld be getting absolutely torched 😭
Gil is right. With proper spacing and NBA level modern day shooting plus teams combining that with master scorers, it is incredibly challenging to disrupt modern day offenses. The game has evolved and it is not going back to how it was. It is possible to have disruptive defenses, but it takes innovation. Effort isn't enough in today's NBA game.
Gil is wrong. He usually is and avoids their points. Defense is lazy. Ask KD when he plays Celtics when allowed to be D up.
@@user-qs2ll1em7eonly reason defense was tough in that series coz kd didn’t have offensive weapons outside of Kyrie
NBA modern day shooting is really no different from 60 years ago they just shoot it more they still be efficient asf unless you’re a specialist MJ would look good today if was allowed to take 15 threes a game and make 3 of them
@@user-qs2ll1em7e If no defense is being played, what is the other team doing when the other team is on offense?
Why are screens set if no defense is being played?
Why are step back shots necessary when if defense is being played.
Offensive moves and rapid ball movement is at an all time high so defense appears to be worse.
John Stockton and Karl Malone did a basic pick and roll that was indefensible…but yet the 90s was the best era in defense.
Stop it.
Exactly. People forget Giannis struggled vs the Raps in 19 playing box and 1. The following years other teams tried it and him and the bucks figured it out. Offense is just so advanced now.
I love how intense Gil and Rashad always get going back and forth but in the end it’s always love and laughter.
Sheryl Swoops steal the ball commercial when I was a kid was iconic
I don’t think they realize that if the defense is consistently rotating( which is good) they are at a disadvantage because they always have to be closing out on the man with the ball. And anyone who plays basketball knows that when you going against a defender that closing out , you will get an open shot.
Not everyone is a shooter on the floor and sometimes you have to force another player (4 and 5 options) to beat you.
Most nba teams don’t move the ball like that. It’s just dribble drive and kick out
This is bc of defensive 3 seconds allowing the paint to be wide open
Couple that with all the illegal screens, travels, carrying and touch fouls and you have the modern nba game
@@washingtonrl4 and 5 options can beat you now. Clippers and warriors just played like 2 weeks ago. Norman Powell won the clippers that game. A dude off the bench that can create his own shot, dribble, a shoot open js. No other era has had that. Celtics 5th option is Jrue Holiday. Miami 6th option is terry Rozier, 76ers 4th option is oubre. All these dudes can really get buckets. Create their own shots. No other era has had that.
Even worse is that it eventually creates mismatches. which means eventually a big is over the freethrow line spotting a guard and a guard is being trucked on by a big going to the lane/calling out loud for the ball.
Until the playoffs, the best defense is to try hard enough to give the worst shooter the ball and force them to kill 10 sec of the clock trying to shoot or give a grenade to the shooter.
@@2nifty201thank you brother it’s not the old days anymore every team has atleast 2 Lou Williams an Jamal Crawford shot making ability coming off the bench for there teams
No amount of effort makes up for being at a schematic/personnel disadvantage on defense. Gilbert is right. Currently the game is at an em pass with the amount of skilled players on the court at one time. It is not realistic to lock a high level team up for four quarters or a seven game series.
They all are right!
They are so informative about basketball. When they start talking about rolling and “hard fronts” I really wish they would consider adding visual effects maybe even a white board to show the people their perspective.
The game is outside the arc now. Its to difficult to play defense with the floor spread and the skills of the nba players
I have an idea. Gil & Brandon vs Rashaad & Ms. Swoops in a game which they are the coaches. It could be an event at end the year, where both Gil and Rashaad go around the world recruiting the best none current NBA players to form an at least an 8- person team. You could also get underdog to sponsor a 4-part series leading up to game. So you could have behind the scene footage of recruiting, practice and most of all trash talking.
Have a 1 million prize for the winning team and 50k bonus to the games MVP voted for by the Fans watching live
Timberwolves is a prime example of what Mccants was trying to explain as far as effort in defense & rotations
Gil and Marshal be having the best debates go from facts and good opinions then to talking shit to each other
Let’s not sit here and pretend like this isn’t EXACTLY what Adam Silver wants.
I hate when Gil say anything to be right.He keep naming Elite players for his examples like everybody is elite.Stop it 5
No y’all are fin idiots - this generation literally has the greatest shooter ever- there are no fucking weak non shooting guys on the court
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I concur hence why the game is faster....@@user-gr2gf8eu5k
@@ekabiawugamble gamble, money is a devil.
They are all right. Yes it is more difficult to defend because teams have more shooters. But you can also watch and see guys don't prioritize defense like they once did.
9 TEams without more than TWo shooters that get 30 points in 2024:
Hawks
Brooklyn
Toronto
Portland
Detroit
Wizards
Hornets
Rockets
Utah Gil's Wrong on his point that ALL NBA teams in 2024 have 4-5 shooters on the team scoring 30points vs 2004 NBA players, and this being the reason why DEfenses are NOT worse in 2024 than in 2004 and before.
😅😅😂😂😅😂😅😂…. This was another good one !! …. Sooo Subjective !! And Speculative
It’s funny. Past nba players are so mad that they are actually saying that guys are only getting stats because of how the game is played. It’s never the greats, it’s always tester years role players. It’s hilarious that McCants actually said Joker isn’t as good as people say he is? 😂
They are right. Higher pace and less defense = more possessions/ more stats. Wilt era and Magic era never stopped running look at the numbers compared to 90s & 2000s
Gil's "I got it" at 30:29 was all of us
Gil acts like he was a 10 All-star HoF player. He's not even a top 75 player. Gil does a little too much sometimes.
@@TA-ht4jowhat was you ?
@@TA-ht4jo wasnt for that knee injury he would been.. know basketball with context before you say that
This is such a great conversation
Jokic, Embiid, Kawhi, Curry, Shai, Luka, Kyrie, Tatum, Butler, Giannis. How many players can guard those guys 1 on 1? If you're going to send help who do you help off of? The role players today are good enough to lead non playoff teams (with today's ruleset) from almost any previous era or at least be a 2nd or 3rd option
2nd 3peat bulls was actually quite a modern team. Right in the middle of a great defensive team while having a great offense coz they got morenshooters than the average 90s team and they played small ball with kukoc and rodman.
The fact old people think that players are just being lazy and don't care instead of it being players getting better and it being harder and coaching telling you not to do that
Everyone understands what Gil said but the effort the force on defense is lacking how he sit up there and act like it not is krazy
There is effort on defense. The game has evolved offense is far ahead of defense.
Gil in this mode turns into Lonzo from training day, (you been planning this all day, I been planning this all week son!!)
This was a Gil cook session 😂
McCants said he’d average 30 points but he never averaged more than 14.9 in a season. LOL WHAT???
in this soft recreational wnba league i'm pretty sure he actually would average 30
This guy mccants gotta be acting. Players are faster more skilled more athletic more stamina and everyone on the court will absolutely kill you and they all shoot it. The role players then and now are not the same so the defense cannot be the same. If u overcommit you die in a split second.
and WAAAY more soft and stupid
they both right . u don’t have a choice but to rotate when beat , but there are more shooters now as well .
He talking Shaq & Lakers when there wasnt a three to spread the court😂😂
If joker didn’t average 9 assists a game they MIGHT have a point but Gil is right the floor is too spread out and somebody is going to get open. They act like these shooters are just sitting and waiting, the nuggets players move great without the ball so everything they’re saying to counter Gil is pointless because it won’t work ESPECIALLY with the rules of the game currently
The issue is you have to take away something. You can give up 35 and 15 assists. Give up the 35pts or 15 assists but not both because obviously staying on isn’t working
“Cant beat me in NOTHING” 🤣🤣🤣
I understand both points but apart of playing defense is being ok with giving up certain things to prevent them from getting to their first options. I’ll live with giving up some lobs to kuminga if I get back and make sure curry and klay don’t get open looks. Now if it happens a lot then u gotta adjust but I get both sides
"Gil, aint nobody, guardin nodbody" lmao
The best show !! 33:29
"unless your coach say don't come off Curry" LOOOOOOOOOOL
"Ryaaaaan Gomes" lol
They are all right because you are going to give up something there's no defense that is going to cover everything you look at what you're playing against and build a game plan to take away what they do best. Whether it is switching or staying and be ready to help rotate
Hand check changed everything that's when you still had defensive specialist they still play defense but every sport is catering to offense because people wanna see the historical offensive games
Smh! Thank you Gil! Great analysis
Good offense beats good defense everytime. With that being said players have a lot more skill now then they did back in the day. The rule changes play a big part in helping that as well
33:21 this was soooooo entertaining 😂😂😂
The league has never been more skilled. At the same time defense is not being played the way it used to be. And all you have to do is see the switch up when the post season comes around.
“How?”🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You go girl
Gil said fifteen years later what you think they decided to do!! (Dam he good) Eddie Murphy voice from Coming to America!!
Gil is just plain right here, why tf would teams trying to compete for titles just “be lazy”? Cmon
todays game is dean smith's 4 corners; only the majority of the players have good to great shooting ability - 4 corners was tough to defend because of the spacing and was designed as a possesion/clock tool if you were ahead in the game - you basically played keep away with the ball because there was no shot clock - a team could run tons of time of the play clock by spreading the floor and forcing a team to defend the entire half court to try and regain possession of the ball.
Classic!!!!
They ultimately, after much stubbornness, admit that somebody is going to be left open in that type of reactionary defense, but fail to acknowledge that shooting skill across the 5 players on the court is simply way higher today, AND NEEDS TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR in modern defensive schemes.
Both offenses and defenses continue to get more sophisticated, and wrinkles and counters get more complex to address.
GIL IS 100% Spot on - BUT - THIS IS THE PROBLEM - freedom of movement - enforcement against defensive holding and hand-checking, allowing offensive players more space and opportunities to score. The fact you can't cut your man off, is one of the reasons why LUKA can dominate the way he does.
I get both sides and i get offense evolves but when will the defense is pretty much what they saying
You can tell which older players keep up with the game and those who stayed in their era lmao
Lol freaking exactly. The reason why 2016 cavs actually beat 2016 warriors was they switched on everything to neutralize their shooters getting open. These old heads think defense is lazy while teams today are screening multiple times. Curry is one of the best conditioned athletes. Try chasing him all game and call this era lazy.
We need more debates like this. I love how they talk specifics about defense. Gil torched them both! Too many weapons. You will never rotate fast enough.