PRE ARRIVAL Second Alarm Apartment Fire / West Phoenix.
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2020
- Phoenix fire crews responded to multiple reports of heavy smoke and fire coming from the third floor of an apartment building located near 23rd Avenue and Indian School Road around 3 am. A UDNS photojournalist staged near 27th Avenue and Camelback was on scene in within 3 minutes of the call being dispatched. Arriving before the fire department, the photographer assisted residents with evacuation and double checking the apartment units threatened by the fire. Fire crews arrived on scene and quickly balanced the assignment to a 1st alarm. Crews faced many obstacles fighting the blaze. Getting a solid source of water to the crews proved difficult for crews on scene and the tight parking lot made it difficult to get their trucks close to the fire ground. With water running low and the fire rapidly growing the call was made to balance the assignment to a second alarm. Once a water source was secured and a tower ladder was deployed, fire crews were able to knock down the intense flames gaining fire control around 4:30 am. No injuries were reported to residents or firefighters, an estimated 50 people have been displaced. Fire investigators are on scene working to determine a cause.
Many onlookers expressed frustration with the way firefighters handled this incident. We want to set the record straight and point out the various complications firefighters faced while fighting this fire. For starters Phoenix fire crews had problems securing a water supply upon arrival. Getting their additional engine and ladder companies close to the fire ground was another issue. This building was located at the far north side of the property 900 feet from the street entrance. The lack of space in the complex parking lot was another issue. Many of the units dispatched to assist the crews already on scene had to park along Indian School road and bring their man power forward. These problems made it difficult for crews to make their initial fire attack. In the end the firefighters dispatched to this call worked tirelessly to resolve the complications they faced in order to get a proper handle on this blaze.
Glad you shared this, I too was curious as to why they did what they did and why they took so long to get water on this fire. At least you opened my eyes to something that I as a viewer wouldn't have known otherwise. Thanks for another viewpoint.
Thank you for the added info. You can see there was water pressure issues, and Phoenix has always had one the hardest working and best ran FD’s...
Live in the Area for over 24 years... West Phoenix is old with old infrastructure.
UDNS, that was very good photojournalism. You made an excellent video. I too coud tell PFD was having water issues, and I understood why they tried to prevent fire spread rather than attacking the fire apartment. It's too bad the police or a FD PIO couldn't have explained what was going on to the onlookers who thought they were not getting good service. I feel badly for the people who lost everything, and I am happy to read no one was injured. Thank you for being part of the solution by getting people out. Your video is one of the better ones I've seen this year.
A picture is not worth a 1000 words! Pictures(videos)are worthless without a narrative.
The narrative tells the real story.
The standing around while the fire spread would be frustrating for anyone to watch, who wasn't aware that they had no water.
This fire could have been stopped in the first two minutes using Just tank water.
West Phoenix is not a new area... old infrastructure.
@@skiqsr Tank Water and the ability to apply it intelligently will go a long way. Plus, it is up to the town to make sure there is a water supply available for any fire anywhere. If you have to, set up used swimming pools with water and cover them. You don't want to search for water When you need it. No water is no excuse for not extinguishing fires.
@@JB91710 I don’t think you read the description
The amount of negative comments being made about the fire crews on this incident is incredibly disappointing. Please read the video description and pinned comment which was posted by our photographer who shot the story. It explains everything in detail.
So many people who have absolutely no fire experience are shooting their mouths off. These guys deserve much more.
Yeah, at this point I would say get use to all the negative comments. Every fire video on CZcams here over the 12 years all have them, and you really can't convince these "keyboard warrior" CZcams firefighters who continuously trash firefighters every chance they get any different.
Disappointing was to be felt by the neighbors affected by the fire and response level of FD. Washing the smoke didn´t control any fire. A stream from the street level from the very beginning had been of help, in place, the FF acted as candled moths flying to the fire.
@@scottchasney5162 Im with you brother! People have no F’ing clue what measures it takes to contain a fire of that nature, especially when there are obstacles in the way.
that must have been very frustrating for fire crews
Those roof overhangs are widow/widower makers when they burn! Clearly they are being safe, given the crazy conditions! DON’T RISK LIVES FOR WHAT IS ALREADY LOST!!!
Nice work guys keep it up 🧑🚒🇺🇸
God bless the Phoenix fire department and all public safety personal.
Be Strong Stay Safe guys good work clearing apartments. These apartments all have a connecting attic and they can erupt very quickly.
Well, that was interesting!
Backdraft style! 😍
Very good Video!
I'm sure having to wait for water was very frustrating for the firefighters as well. It's a tough spot to be in
Training and pre planning, here in NY we pre plan a complex like that so if there is a fire we are prepared.
MrGgrumpy10757 you can only pre plan so much if they can’t fit trucks in there then they can’t fit them in there simple it’s up to the city to put hydrants there.
This fire could have been stopped in the first two minutes using Just tank water.
Exactly why it isn't cool to NOT fasten your chin strap.
The fire fighters did an amazing job, the apartment complex should have had more hydrants near it or some form of large water tanks.
I agree because. I'm a small town volunteer fire fighter and we do have to shuttle water to the fire
I bet it pisses the FFs off when they can't get water, just standing there and can't do anything. A tank is done within a couple of minutes, maybe the complex can sort out a hydrant closer?
This fire could have been stopped in the first two minutes using Just tank water.
@@JB91710 it was gone before they showed up
@@jasonapple3356 So that's an excuse to do nothing?
Estos hombres son valientes arriesgando sus vidas a pesar de la complicaciones la pesadilla perderlo todo pero gracias a dios y a estos guerreros terminaron exhaustos muchas gracias d todo corazón son verdaderos héroes
Sure are a lot of people on here commenting that mustve been there bc they know what was going on on the fire ground 🤷♀️
KOA519 😎 lol - Maggi
The fire fighters did awesome.
This is CZcams where everyone is a firefighter!. Everyone knows how to contain a fire, when in reality they don’t know shit. They don’t know that theres a chain of command that has to be followed. Smh
What does chain of command have to do with it?? And how many years have u been a FF?!
Standing in the yard breathing your bottle air is ridiculous. I hate that they had water issues, but don’t stand in the yard on air...
Wow. Trying. To figure out what to do
I didn't. Know they. Had no water. Changes everything
Did they spray gas on it? Shit
I understand that there was a water supply issue HOWEVER...
For the love of GOD just spray some water on the actual fire!!!
Our trucks have 750 gallon tanks and I know that most usually carry 500-1000 gallons.
If they woulda moved with a little bit more purpose in the beginning, sprayed a good amount of water before going up the stairs, moved up the stairs and then then sprayed the actual fire instead of pulling ceiling and spraying ahead of the fire, I’d be willing to bet AT LEAST a dollar the outcome would have been much better.
They could have been putting a good amount of water on the fire when they first got water around the 1:20 mark
@Tim Burm1 No dude. Nobody in their right mind would use a master stream with just tank water available. If you do, you're a dork. I don't even really like it when people use the deck gun on just tank water. You can do a lot more good with two hand lines with some well placed streams.
If you flow 95gpm, which is PLENTY of water for this fire in it's initial stages, you have 5 STRAIGHT minutes of flowing water off of tank water. 7.5 minutes on our trucks. That's a loooong time and a lot of water you could be blasting on an early stage fire.
And no you don't do a primary search in that fully involved apartment because it was ripping and they weren't putting any water on it.
@Tim Burm1 The whole point of my comment was that the first unit that was there with a charged hose line should have sprayed water directly on the fire and sprayed way sooner than they did. I'm not arguing if a primary search needs to be done or not.
You need to update yourself on research regarding ventilation. You certainly do not prevent a flashover by ventilating a structure. In fact, you will accelerate flashover in a ventilation limited fire.
You guys can start spraying water whenever it’s convenient 🤦
Read the comments...
You assume water is available
I would move out of Phoenix.
SMH... Clueless people trashing PFD... Yeah they had water supply issues but at least they HAD hydrants... Try to Imagine fighting a fire that size in an area with NO HYDRANTS at all... And have to rely on tanker shuttles !!!! Like smaller all volunteer depts have to do---_in every state!!!! Those of us who actually have been ff's or currently are know this fact. We also know that we wouldn't want the "wannabe experts" anywhere near a fire ground we were working------they would get one of us killed
They should bring water with them, pointless turning up to a fire with no water.
every phx eng comp carries 500 gal in the tank--many apt complexes have narrow drives and are set back from the streets.
They exhausted what water they had in the engines very early in the fire attack
Please read the pinned comment and video description
Don’t commend if you know nothing about firefighting
Another clueless idiot with no firefighting experience.
The best water source it´s the inboard tank. And the lack of space it´s also a kiddish response, that´s why hoses were invented.
Washing the smoke didn´t help to fight the fire.
An attack directly from the tank, from the parking, will put that fire under control in 90% in 20 seconds.
Ya can't talk shit if you have never done the job all the people saying bad things about the PFD an how they handled it why don't you push the FFs out of the way an show us how it's done!!!!!
Pathetic. It just went out. Check your Kerosene pressure.
They sure watched it burn quite a while.
Did you NOT read the description and 1st comment?
@@pauludulutch4353 TANK water
MrGgrumpy10757 500 gallons goes quick maybe you should learn about firefighting
@@pauludulutch4353 No I didn't and in a big city like Phoenix you shouldn't have that problem. It is called laying a line in from a hydrant or another engine. They need to learn the 6 P's. Piss poor planning leads to piss poor performance. Back in the day the 1st engine in laid a line from the nearest hydrant and it doesn't take that long if you practice it. No water problem then.
You are blind!