@@virgilhilts3924 You are wrong, no one was in the building, crews were not ready to go in, so use the deck gun to knock down the bulk of the fire, when the crews are ready to in then you knock of the deck gun for crews to start there interior attack.
@@cornelfrancis7615 "You are wrong" -About...? -Be specific... -Then factually refute... "no one was in the building" -Prove your assertion... -Then prove that the firefighters knew such "crews were not ready to go in" -Specifically how so... -Then prove your assertion... "so use the deck gun to knock down the bulk of the fire" -That statement right there alone proves you have ZERO experience as a firefighter "when the crews are ready to in then you knock of the deck gun" -WTH does that even mean?
@@virgilhilts3924could you explain why you think that would be dumb? It’s fire ground arrival 101. Massive amount of fire blowing out two windows, fire is up in the cockloft most likely as you can see black smoke puffing out of the eaves in the B exposure. Deck gun could be out in operation within 30 seconds of arrival while hand lines are being pulled. And like someone already said, a hydrant can be hot by the next in. Or better yet have the wanna be firefighter cop who was in the way go and hand stretch to a hydrant. You think small.
Most of the Schuylkill County coal towns have wood frame rowhomes like this. Once one goes, they all go. FFs up there are salty f**kers with a lot of experience, unfortunately.
What’s wrong with a quick dump of the monitor would have darkened it. But no gotta have 10 guys walking around 15 on the front porch trying to get their helmet dirty to make entry into what could be a death trap like the one in Baltimore nobody belonged making entry into.
ok so you've watched some fire vids and your an expert, First they did a search where they could before attacking the fire, second, the deck gun is the main line, it dumps 500 gallons in 55 seconds, truck carries 500 gallons, guess what, you're out of water, you need to have a water source hooked up first, they didnt yet.
@@gsarjos So much confidence for NEVER having used the deck gun for an initial attack. A 500 gpm stream in 20 seconds, using 170 gallons puts this fire down in 90% and remains water for interior attack, besides other engines are arriving.
YOU DO NOT DUMP A TANK! IDIOTS, open the valve and let the water just dump out. You surgically apply just enough water to stop combustion! Then you turn it off! 10 seconds from a 60 second water supply is not even close to Dumping the Tank! Get your heads out of your butts and THINK!
@@ffjsb In that case, 500 gpm in a fully involved 2 story house cools it down 90% in 20-30 seconds. But the stream must be directed directly through a window not for "cooling exposures".
@@semproniodensso3353 I see you didn't dispute my claim that you're not a firefighter, which just proves you have no idea of what you're talking about. You can't back up anything you've said.
Yeah and wasted valuable time inside while the fire spread to the exposures. That was a deck gun knock down from the start. May have greatly changed the outcome.
Pre arrival? Why on earth is there a gap of missing video right when they are going to put the first line in service? We then jump to 10 minutes later???
@TransmitThe1075 Why weren't you there to provide the video coverage you demand...? dErP Are you just mad because this will make it difficult for you to again rip-off someone else's video...? 🤣 BTW... how did you manage to come up with this "10 minutes " BS when there is literally no meaningful time reference provided?
They see the fire is spreading to the building on the side, and they continue to move like snails going in there, some of them just sitting there. I want to be a firefighter when I grow up, but I most definitely will never move that slow. My god.
Let's hope everyone is doing ok the paramedics and firemen deserve a lot of credit your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated thanks don't work to hard love and appreciate you great catches as usual way to go keep them safe out there job well done you should be amazed and proud way to go ! Joe
How about recognizing that this is a multi-unit building with a high likelihood of occupants in the many spaces and that using such would likely flood the building with superheated steam and toxic gases making search & rescue difficult at best... and kill potential victims at worst. Of course one would have to be an experienced firefighter to grasp such... something you deck-gun warriors clearly are not.
It would NOT have been Life safety comes first and blowing a DG would have flooded much of the building with steam and toxic gasses. Doing such would put any victims at further risk and search & rescue efforts much more difficult along with working the job itself.
They used three deck guns, actually, for this fire. They weren't shown in the video. Three departments were called. This was stated in an online article.
@@virgilhilts3924 As involved as the upper floors were when first unit arrived, there would have been no survivors up there. And still would have protected the exposures.
@@chuckg2016 "As involved as the upper floors were when first unit arrived" -You have literally no idea how involved the upper floor was, and the video gives no conformation either -The fire could have just involved the front rooms and nothing more for all you know -I've worked jobs where live victims were pulled from closets and bathrooms on the fire floor -Even if the entire top floor was involved, blowing a DG inside is likely going to flood the floors below with steam/gasses/smoke -Any time you have potential for survivable spaces, SAR takes top priority until at least a primary search is completed
@@virgilhilts3924 I was a cop for 30 years, as such I am used to clueless people telling me how to do my job. However, I am a huge fan of Fire Figthers and these are the stories I follow now.
Let's stop and honor and appreciate the paramedics and firemen who proudly serve us your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated thanks great job great catches as usual still going strong keep them safe out there let's hope everyone is doing ok right thanks don't work to hard appreciate you guys ! Joe
Pennsylvania, Schuylkill County. Old coal mine area, very old wooden structures, very dense buildings. All the towns in that area are the same way. I give these guys a lot of credit, they're often behind the 8 ball by the time the tones drop.
@ffjsb Well, what are the training requirements you want to see? I suspect you might be a taxpayer leech type who thinks paid service is necessary. As demonstrated for several hundreds of years, no paid Police, Fire, or EMS is absolutely necessary. It's just another form of a tax burden to employ people in unnecessary jobs.
1:22 So 3 buildings will be a total loss because these pricks are dawdling! With preconnects they should be throwing a stream 1 minute or less after arrival!
@@virgilhilts3924 Remember one thing trumper, YOU were the one who opened the door to stalking. So I don't want to hear you whining about being the victim 😉
At these point is a defensive strategy have the first hose attack the expoursure, and the second one on the bravo side the first house is a loss. They went interior, anbunch of fire fighters just walking around without assigments, those two chiefs are worthless
@@1940shistorian Ad hominem... The last bastion of the intellectually insecure The best part is that if you had any actual experience as a professional firefighter you would know why a DG would be a poor choice in this example. But you deck gun warriors are all the same... Wannabes who envision themselves climbing atop an Engine to save the day bare chest glistening in the sun 🤣🤣🤣
And that’s why you aren’t and never will be a firefighter. So you use all your tank water in 1-2 minutes tops and have no water to go in and put the actual fire out. Meanwhile, anyone in the building trapped dies. You’re a mouth breather.
@Chris Barr No, you lay in and surgically apply just the right amount of water to slow down combustion while everyone is pulling their pants up and pulling their hoses to further extinguish the threat. That takes the ability to Think rather than brainless, dumping the tank. The rest of your comment reaked of mediocrity.
@virgilhilts3924 clearly you don't or you would agree with me. About 70% of fires I see could be knocked right back by the speedy deployment of the deck gun and the volume of water it introduces.
Gotta love all these armchair fire fighters commenting , these guys did an excellent job, and these guys commenting about the deck gun, it's the mainline, dumps 500 gallons in 55 seconds, only useful when you have a water source established.....or guess what? you no longer have any water
Had they used a deck gun right away they could’ve subdued that fire in no time. That was the Chiefs fault. He was right there and could’ve ordered the pump operator to use the deck gun. I watch many fires where they avoid using it where they should have.
Had they used a deck gun "right away" in such a multi-unit building with a high likelihood of occupants in the many spaces they would likely flood the building with superheated steam and toxic gases making search & rescue difficult at best... and kill potential victims at worst. Of course one would have to be an experienced firefighter to grasp such... something you deck-gun warriors clearly are not. 🙄
Ashland where? Ohio, KY, elsewhere? I hate when they don't give a state. I only know of one town/city that has a name which is the only one in the country and That is here in Ohio.
More guessing with no tactics to discuss. You did crawl out from under your rock and make a comment about tactics but as I assumed, you screwed the pooch with it, showing your ignorance and lack of common sense and logic.
Tell sue where you’re from virgin…let’s get some background on the most useless commenter for this video… The virgin firefighter who probably sees one fire a year.
For all you deck gun warriors, here's some much needed education... Any experienced professional firefighter rolling up to this job is going to notice that this is a multi-story combo with both commercial and residential units. There are likely at least two separate apartments, probably three or four, which means decent opportunity for potential victims. Given that the fire appears from the third floor there are likely many survivable compartments inside the building. "Well then run run run Mr Fireman and put the fire out quickly... use the DECK GUN!!!!!" Ahhhhh no... The moment you start flowing water into the building from the exterior you are going to begin flooding the building with super heated steam and toxic gases. The pressure created by the expanding steam, along with entrained air (especially from a deck gun flowing 1,000+ GPM) is going to push the nasties into those formerly survivable spaces and potentially kill people. Doing such can also make the search much much more difficult to complete and take up more time. So you grab some entry tools, a couple of cans, a line if able, form up and go in to start looking for potential victims. Meanwhile the crews outside start working their plan to work the fire, cover exposures, stage RIT, etc, etc, etc. To all you wannabes and keyboard chiefs... No, the deck gun is NOT the most underutilized tool in the fire service They are in fact one of the most limited and least practical in usefulness, especially when offensive Any experienced professional firefighter knows this to be FACT
So much confidence in repeating fallacies. A short (6-12 seconds) straight stream discharge uses 50 to 100 gallons. 90% of TTP connections allow for max 500 gpm. 50 to 100 gallons didn´t reverse convection currents nor push smoke or vapor to other compartments...this happens when the FF hasn´t received good training. Deck Gun is the most practical and useful tool in cases like this...Unproved "FACTS" are fiction, suppositions, and traditions.
WRONG. Heat goes UP, not down. And you can't push fire, that old wives tale has been disproved years ago. Not to mention, anyone still on the third floor is already dead, as that floor is untenable, even if you have fire gear on. You clearly aren't a firefighter, or you'd know this.
"The moment you start flowing water into the building from the exterior you are going to begin flooding the building with super heated steam and toxic gases.' Which will go out the same windows the flames are using. "The pressure created by the expanding steam, along with entrained air (especially from a deck gun flowing 1,000+ GPM) is going to push the nasties into those formerly survivable spaces and potentially kill people." You are forgetting the existing Pressure Release Locations in the front of the structure. In fact, the entire front of the fire floor. The rest of that floor is also being pressurized so everything will still head out the front windows. Unless of course, you are stupid enough to open the nozzle to a cone of water that blocks the escaping gasses and then you will push the heat deeper into the structure for a brief moment before the water soaks everything. Are you that stupid virgil? "So you grab some entry tools, a couple of cans, a line if able, form up and go in to start looking for potential victims. Meanwhile the crews outside start working their plan to work the fire, cover exposures, stage RIT, etc, etc, etc." Before you got the door open; I had the fire knocked down with the deck gun and the victims and entering firefighters were protected. Are you really going to bring cans into that fire? Really virgil? "They (Deck Guns) are in fact one of the most limited and least practical in usefulness, especially when offensive." Not when it comes to extinguishing Visible Burning Material.
@@ffjsb Don't forget pressure zones and high to low pressure air movement. That can move the gasses horizontally of even down. You can reverse the flow of those gasses out the windows if you Block the pressure release locations by filling the window openings with water. The gasses in that room need to go out other windows if you totally block one window. If that fire was venting out just one window, the deck gun stream would have been too wide, and the massive amount of water pressure would have driven the gasses deeper into the structure until the pressure equalized. However, that massive amount of water would have soaked and cooled the materials very quickly to minimize the effect of reversed gasses. As you said, in this case, there was no life to worry about on that floor But, the gasses could be pushed momentarily, down the stairs to the lower levels. Keep the PRLs open and extension deeper into the structure is not an issue. I mean, virgil is still an idiot but you have to be careful what words and terms you use to describe the tactics you suggest.
Why isn’t the deck gin being used to knock that down ? There units coming in that can grab a plug .
Because that would be stupid
@@virgilhilts3924 You are wrong, no one was in the building, crews were not ready to go in, so use the deck gun to knock down the bulk of the fire, when the crews are ready to in then you knock of the deck gun for crews to start there interior attack.
@@cornelfrancis7615
"You are wrong"
-About...?
-Be specific...
-Then factually refute...
"no one was in the building"
-Prove your assertion...
-Then prove that the firefighters knew such
"crews were not ready to go in"
-Specifically how so...
-Then prove your assertion...
"so use the deck gun to knock down the bulk of the fire"
-That statement right there alone proves you have ZERO experience as a firefighter
"when the crews are ready to in then you knock of the deck gun"
-WTH does that even mean?
@@virgilhilts3924 are you even a fire fighter
@@virgilhilts3924could you explain why you think that would be dumb?
It’s fire ground arrival 101.
Massive amount of fire blowing out two windows, fire is up in the cockloft most likely as you can see black smoke puffing out of the eaves in the B exposure.
Deck gun could be out in operation within 30 seconds of arrival while hand lines are being pulled.
And like someone already said, a hydrant can be hot by the next in.
Or better yet have the wanna be firefighter cop who was in the way go and hand stretch to a hydrant.
You think small.
Did they miss the thing about protecting the exposures ?
It would appear that they did for a while.
looks like the fire has extended to the bravo and delta exposure s even before FD arrival.
Most of the Schuylkill County coal towns have wood frame rowhomes like this. Once one goes, they all go. FFs up there are salty f**kers with a lot of experience, unfortunately.
What’s wrong with a quick
dump of the monitor would have darkened it. But no gotta have 10 guys walking around 15 on the front porch trying to get their helmet dirty to make entry into what could be a death trap like the one in Baltimore nobody belonged making entry into.
ok so you've watched some fire vids and your an expert, First they did a search where they could before attacking the fire, second, the deck gun is the main line, it dumps 500 gallons in 55 seconds, truck carries 500 gallons, guess what, you're out of water, you need to have a water source hooked up first, they didnt yet.
@@gsarjos So much confidence for NEVER having used the deck gun for an initial attack. A 500 gpm stream in 20 seconds, using 170 gallons puts this fire down in 90% and remains water for interior attack, besides other engines are arriving.
@@gsarjos If you knew anything about firefighting, you'd know dumping your tank and resetting the fire, greatly slowing the spread is a GOOD thing...
YOU DO NOT DUMP A TANK! IDIOTS, open the valve and let the water just dump out. You surgically apply just enough water to stop combustion! Then you turn it off! 10 seconds from a 60 second water supply is not even close to Dumping the Tank! Get your heads out of your butts and THINK!
@@gsarjos 10 seconds of water at the very beginning would have eliminated those flames. Now, what where you saying?
Why so much reluctance in using deck-gun with water on-board? A 500 gpm stream puts this fire down 90% in 20 seconds using 170 gallons.
You use more than 170 gallons, but I've done exactly that on a FULLY involved 2 story house with a 500 gallon tank.
@@ffjsb In that case, 500 gpm in a fully involved 2 story house cools it down 90% in 20-30 seconds. But the stream must be directed directly through a window not for "cooling exposures".
@@semproniodensso3353 Where did you pull those figures out of??? Your rear end??? You clearly are not a firefighter.
@@ffjsb That's your kind of argumentation?...that explains why you are stuck in curious ideas.
@@semproniodensso3353 I see you didn't dispute my claim that you're not a firefighter, which just proves you have no idea of what you're talking about. You can't back up anything you've said.
🤔Time to engage the deck gun?
Nope
Yeah take all that fire back inside with the deck gun
@@peterarvanitis6497 No. Use the deck gun before the troops go inside and knock down the main body of fire and prevent fire jumping the floor above.
@@virgilhilts3924 They used three guns, dude. Research it. You have really embarrassed yourself in these comments.
@@IndianOutlaw1870
"You have really embarrassed yourself in these comments"
-Please by all means explain SPECIFICALLY how so...
There is a Center Street in Ashland, VA. Twin railroad tracks run right though the center of town.
The side of the fire truck that pulled up to the fire said Ashland, PA.
@@spider_hoss Yeah, it's Ashland, PA. It's an old coal mining town.
Would have liked to been able to see the entire raw footage from start to finish instead of a quick fade in fade out highlights video.......
What state? You should always tell us!
it's Ashland, PA. It's an old coal mining town.
Un grand respect Aux pompiers pour leurs dévouement ' les anges gardiens de la ville
It makes me so sad; when I see their homes, catch on fire. I hope no one was injured or killed, including their pets.
They got right to it, no doubt about that.
Yeah and wasted valuable time inside while the fire spread to the exposures. That was a deck gun knock down from the start. May have greatly changed the outcome.
Pre arrival? Why on earth is there a gap of missing video right when they are going to put the first line in service? We then jump to 10 minutes later???
@TransmitThe1075
Why weren't you there to provide the video coverage you demand...? dErP
Are you just mad because this will make it difficult for you to again rip-off someone else's video...? 🤣
BTW... how did you manage to come up with this "10 minutes " BS when there is literally no meaningful time reference provided?
The only car parked on the street is blocking firefighters access.
Good to see the deck guns being used.
Yeah WAY to late. Should have been the very first thing used on off that first engine.
@@skidude8989
Nope
@@skidude8989rapid handline with aggressive interior attack
@@virgilhilts3924 That is crap......departments all over the country do it
@@kenturner2349
Do what...?
They see the fire is spreading to the building on the side, and they continue to move like snails going in there, some of them just sitting there. I want to be a firefighter when I grow up, but I most definitely will never move that slow. My god.
Man that's a bad scenario. Right in the middle with adjacent structures left and right!!😖
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UMMM .. lets get someone in that Delta exposure boys
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Great job brothers. The true heroes have arrived.
Uh, NO.
Let's hope everyone is doing ok the paramedics and firemen deserve a lot of credit your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated thanks don't work to hard love and appreciate you great catches as usual way to go keep them safe out there job well done you should be amazed and proud way to go ! Joe
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@@user-zj5hu6gw9j0:18
How about putting that deck guy to work???
How about recognizing that this is a multi-unit building with a high likelihood of occupants in the many spaces and that using such would likely flood the building with superheated steam and toxic gases making search & rescue difficult at best... and kill potential victims at worst. Of course one would have to be an experienced firefighter to grasp such... something you deck-gun warriors clearly are not.
May have been a good time to nail it with a deck gun for about 10 sec. at the beginning. JUST SAYING....
But then all those guys wouldn't be able to rack up at least 2 more hours of pay.
It would NOT have been
Life safety comes first and blowing a DG would have flooded much of the building with steam and toxic gasses. Doing such would put any victims at further risk and search & rescue efforts much more difficult along with working the job itself.
No deck gun?
Using one would have been dumb
They used three deck guns, actually, for this fire. They weren't shown in the video. Three departments were called. This was stated in an online article.
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Why not master stream from the front and save the exposure?
Because the first priority on a job like this would be searching for potential victims
@@virgilhilts3924
As involved as the upper floors were when first unit arrived, there would have been no survivors up there. And still would have protected the exposures.
@@chuckg2016
"As involved as the upper floors were when first unit arrived"
-You have literally no idea how involved the upper floor was, and the video gives no conformation either
-The fire could have just involved the front rooms and nothing more for all you know
-I've worked jobs where live victims were pulled from closets and bathrooms on the fire floor
-Even if the entire top floor was involved, blowing a DG inside is likely going to flood the floors below with steam/gasses/smoke
-Any time you have potential for survivable spaces, SAR takes top priority until at least a primary search is completed
@@virgilhilts3924
Obviously you watched a very different video. Arcade maybe?
@@chuckg2016
I deal in reality
You apparently make things up as you go
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Deck gun, baby!!!
LoL... how about NO
@virgilhilts3924 what exactly is your reasoning for not using it? A deck gun would have that fire significantly knocked down almost instantly.
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And there it is, a deck gun comment. 😂😂😂
And it's by the 🤡 who has never worked a fire in his life 🤣
@@virgilhilts3924 What??? No water dropping helicopter????
@@MrTomengle
I'm sure one of the usual boo-boo's will be along to suggest such 🤣
@@virgilhilts3924 I was a cop for 30 years, as such I am used to clueless people telling me how to do my job. However, I am a huge fan of Fire Figthers and these are the stories I follow now.
Let's stop and honor and appreciate the paramedics and firemen who proudly serve us your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated thanks great job great catches as usual still going strong keep them safe out there let's hope everyone is doing ok right thanks don't work to hard appreciate you guys ! Joe
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@@user-ln1cj4wh9d😮p😊 0:22
Ashland? What state?
Pennsylvania, Schuylkill County. Old coal mine area, very old wooden structures, very dense buildings. All the towns in that area are the same way. I give these guys a lot of credit, they're often behind the 8 ball by the time the tones drop.
@@nateblack7301
It says Pa. right on the truck....
@@nateblack7301 Pa. has the WORST training requirements for firefighters in the US. They're behind the 8 ball before the tones drop.
@ffjsb Well, what are the training requirements you want to see?
I suspect you might be a taxpayer leech type who thinks paid service is necessary. As demonstrated for several hundreds of years, no paid Police, Fire, or EMS is absolutely necessary. It's just another form of a tax burden to employ people in unnecessary jobs.
Delta exposure...deck gun, deck gun, deck gun boys!!!
Says the "boy" who has clearly never been a professional firefighter
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All (New) trucks should have a deck gun!
An amazes me how slow firemen move. It took them far too long to get water on this blaze. 13 of them standing around. Amazing!
1:22 So 3 buildings will be a total loss because these pricks are dawdling! With preconnects they should be throwing a stream 1 minute or less after arrival!
I see you are still fantasizing about doing a job you were repeatedly rejected from 🤣
@@virgilhilts3924 Remember one thing trumper, YOU were the one who opened the door to stalking. So I don't want to hear you whining about being the victim 😉
@@redbaron474
Looks like I touched a nerve yet again 🤣
@@virgilhilts3924 Go play on Interstate 40, josh.
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At these point is a defensive strategy have the first hose attack the expoursure, and the second one on the bravo side the first house is a loss. They went interior, anbunch of fire fighters just walking around without assigments, those two chiefs are worthless
You have literally no clue what you are babbling about
Ohh
Deck gun Deck gun Deck gun
At least the company in the rear had the right idea.
Nope Nope Nope
@@virgilhilts3924 I can see where you'd burn everything down that you were involved with...IF you were actually a firefighter.
@@1940shistorian
Ad hominem... The last bastion of the intellectually insecure
The best part is that if you had any actual experience as a professional firefighter you would know why a DG would be a poor choice in this example.
But you deck gun warriors are all the same... Wannabes who envision themselves climbing atop an Engine to save the day bare chest glistening in the sun 🤣🤣🤣
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Someone get these guys a coffee enema, and a clue.
Why...?
Great job by all the responding firefighters.
The deck gun should be flowing 40 seconds after you stop.
And that’s why you aren’t and never will be a firefighter. So you use all your tank water in 1-2 minutes tops and have no water to go in and put the actual fire out. Meanwhile, anyone in the building trapped dies. You’re a mouth breather.
I can't hit the thumbs up button fast enough...😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yep. Dump the tank to buy time to get handlines into position. But, the fire went out so all's well that ends well!
@Chris Barr No, you lay in and surgically apply just the right amount of water to slow down combustion while everyone is pulling their pants up and pulling their hoses to further extinguish the threat. That takes the ability to Think rather than brainless, dumping the tank. The rest of your comment reaked of mediocrity.
Waste of water. How you know the hydrant or water connection they have work? You dump a tank without an establish water supply is brainless
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Pure incompetence, this is a job were a deck gun would have given a instant knockdown.
Thanks for confirming that you know NOTHING about firefighting
@virgilhilts3924 clearly you don't or you would agree with me. About 70% of fires I see could be knocked right back by the speedy deployment of the deck gun and the volume of water it introduces.
@@paulf2529
Again... Thanks for confirming that you know NOTHING about firefighting
@virgilhilts3924 Nonsense.
@@paulf2529
Yup... you speak nonsense
Gotta love all these armchair fire fighters commenting , these guys did an excellent job, and these guys commenting about the deck gun, it's the mainline, dumps 500 gallons in 55 seconds, only useful when you have a water source established.....or guess what? you no longer have any water
Please tell us what YOUR qualifications are. I only have 40 years on the job and a Fire Science major...
Yes but, this fire only needed 10 seconds of Deck Gun water at the 1:00 mark. Now, what were you crying about?
Thank god they saved the 500 gallons in the tank by not using the deck gun. Never know when there might be a fire and you need that water. WTF
How do ya' spot a fire chief?
Look for the biggest belly.
Had they used a deck gun right away they could’ve subdued that fire in no time. That was the Chiefs fault. He was right there and could’ve ordered the pump operator to use the deck gun. I watch many fires where they avoid using it where they should have.
Had they used a deck gun "right away" in such a multi-unit building with a high likelihood of occupants in the many spaces they would likely flood the building with superheated steam and toxic gases making search & rescue difficult at best... and kill potential victims at worst. Of course one would have to be an experienced firefighter to grasp such... something you deck-gun warriors clearly are not. 🙄
100% agree.
@@paulf2529
Which again proves you know nothing about firefighting.
You deck-gun warriors are certainly good for a 🤣
Ashland where? Ohio, KY, elsewhere? I hate when they don't give a state. I only know of one town/city that has a name which is the only one in the country and That is here in Ohio.
Pennsylvania.
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Why would u send handlines
in on that wouldn't u go defensive right away should have deck gunned it
@michaelayares3862
An experienced professional firefighter would know the answers to your questions
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i just watch these videos to see the armchair firefighters feeling useful in front of their computes spamming "expert" advices XD
Since you obviously ARE an expert. ..|..
Nice aggressive attack.
In your dreams!
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wow very poor attack
How so...?
He'll noooo
Poor fire ground tactics....
How so...?
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I get a kick out of reading all the replies and arguing amongst the phony "firefighters" here who have never worked a fire in their life
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That would be YOU.
More guessing with no tactics to discuss. You did crawl out from under your rock and make a comment about tactics but as I assumed, you screwed the pooch with it, showing your ignorance and lack of common sense and logic.
Tell sue where you’re from virgin…let’s get some background on the most useless commenter for this video…
The virgin firefighter who probably sees one fire a year.
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For all you deck gun warriors, here's some much needed education...
Any experienced professional firefighter rolling up to this job is going to notice that this is a multi-story combo with both commercial and residential units. There are likely at least two separate apartments, probably three or four, which means decent opportunity for potential victims. Given that the fire appears from the third floor there are likely many survivable compartments inside the building.
"Well then run run run Mr Fireman and put the fire out quickly... use the DECK GUN!!!!!"
Ahhhhh no...
The moment you start flowing water into the building from the exterior you are going to begin flooding the building with super heated steam and toxic gases. The pressure created by the expanding steam, along with entrained air (especially from a deck gun flowing 1,000+ GPM) is going to push the nasties into those formerly survivable spaces and potentially kill people. Doing such can also make the search much much more difficult to complete and take up more time.
So you grab some entry tools, a couple of cans, a line if able, form up and go in to start looking for potential victims. Meanwhile the crews outside start working their plan to work the fire, cover exposures, stage RIT, etc, etc, etc.
To all you wannabes and keyboard chiefs... No, the deck gun is NOT the most underutilized tool in the fire service
They are in fact one of the most limited and least practical in usefulness, especially when offensive
Any experienced professional firefighter knows this to be FACT
So much confidence in repeating fallacies. A short (6-12 seconds) straight stream discharge uses 50 to 100 gallons. 90% of TTP connections allow for max 500 gpm. 50 to 100 gallons didn´t reverse convection currents nor push smoke or vapor to other compartments...this happens when the FF hasn´t received good training.
Deck Gun is the most practical and useful tool in cases like this...Unproved "FACTS" are fiction, suppositions, and traditions.
WRONG. Heat goes UP, not down. And you can't push fire, that old wives tale has been disproved years ago. Not to mention, anyone still on the third floor is already dead, as that floor is untenable, even if you have fire gear on.
You clearly aren't a firefighter, or you'd know this.
"The moment you start flowing water into the building from the exterior you are going to begin flooding the building with super heated steam and toxic gases.' Which will go out the same windows the flames are using.
"The pressure created by the expanding steam, along with entrained air (especially from a deck gun flowing 1,000+ GPM) is going to push the nasties into those formerly survivable spaces and potentially kill people." You are forgetting the existing Pressure Release Locations in the front of the structure. In fact, the entire front of the fire floor. The rest of that floor is also being pressurized so everything will still head out the front windows. Unless of course, you are stupid enough to open the nozzle to a cone of water that blocks the escaping gasses and then you will push the heat deeper into the structure for a brief moment before the water soaks everything. Are you that stupid virgil?
"So you grab some entry tools, a couple of cans, a line if able, form up and go in to start looking for potential victims. Meanwhile the crews outside start working their plan to work the fire, cover exposures, stage RIT, etc, etc, etc." Before you got the door open; I had the fire knocked down with the deck gun and the victims and entering firefighters were protected. Are you really going to bring cans into that fire? Really virgil?
"They (Deck Guns) are in fact one of the most limited and least practical in usefulness, especially when offensive." Not when it comes to extinguishing Visible Burning Material.
@@semproniodensso3353 Bingo!
@@ffjsb Don't forget pressure zones and high to low pressure air movement. That can move the gasses horizontally of even down.
You can reverse the flow of those gasses out the windows if you Block the pressure release locations by filling the window openings with water. The gasses in that room need to go out other windows if you totally block one window. If that fire was venting out just one window, the deck gun stream would have been too wide, and the massive amount of water pressure would have driven the gasses deeper into the structure until the pressure equalized. However, that massive amount of water would have soaked and cooled the materials very quickly to minimize the effect of reversed gasses.
As you said, in this case, there was no life to worry about on that floor But, the gasses could be pushed momentarily, down the stairs to the lower levels. Keep the PRLs open and extension deeper into the structure is not an issue.
I mean, virgil is still an idiot but you have to be careful what words and terms you use to describe the tactics you suggest.
American Fire Fighters are so Slow at taking Action. They seem to have no sense of Urgency
Cardboard houses are being built in the richest country in the world. A shame
Poor action
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