Would We Have Seen This Brunson With the Mavs? | The Mismatch | The Ringer
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- The Ringer’s Kevin O’Connor and Chris Vernon discuss Jalen Brunson’s All-Star selection, and whether he still would have blossomed into the player he is now had he stayed with the Mavericks.
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No…….give someone 29 shots a game and they become a different player. Some become Jordan Poole, other thrive and become Jalen. Brunson.
Gotta love that everyone is talking about this dude.
Jalen Brunson has brought basketball back to the Big Apple, the Mecca, MSG.
I keep asking myself, "How can James Dolan fuck this up?"
@@David-iv6je I think he moved to Vegas with U2
Brunson explosion in the play offs was unexpected and also when luka came back there wassnt really the time to figure out the offense with the two of them better. Given a full offseason with that version on Burson in mind it could have worked bettter but sure Burson still woukdnt have had the room like he has now on thr knicks.
Lets also not be revisionst because in the season prior to his last in Dallas he was not good in the play offs he really struggled against the size of the clippers.
correct, the revisionist history doesnt tell you that he literally could not be on the floor against the clippers in the playoffs the year prior to his playoff explosion. The extension didnt make sense to start the season
@@RGA2341 It's why Brunson's lie that "he would've stayed for $55m/4years" is quite ridiculous when 1. he rejected a contract extension before the 21/22 season began, 2. his father complained that he was shopped before the trade deadline, despite the fact that the reason he was offered to other teams was because his agent asked for at least a 4-year, $72m deal, and 3. the number is suspiciously exactly what DFS' contract extension was that was signed in January of 2022 lol
Same with young and murray. In a vacuum you have two really good ball handlers, but as there is only one ball so combined they are like 1.5 instead of 2. One the other hand, Harden/Paul worked in 2018 as you had elite pg play for 48 min.
I disagree. Maybe not this version but the conference finals year he proved that he could play with Luka and also take over when Luka was out. I think he’s been on a steady upward trajectory ever since. These types of mistakes cost you elite teams and championship runs. Mavs will regret this until the end of time. Not saying KYRIE isn’t great but the match, fit and chemistry with Luka and Brunson was just better.
There's only room on a team for 1 primary ball handler, so a team is never going to get the most out of both Brunson and Luka at the same time and that's not a knock on either player. I don't even think Kyrie is that great a match for Luka, but he's the best the Mavs can get right now. Mavs really want a star who isn't another guard to pair with Luka but no other team wants to give that kind of player up.
In the playoffs you need more than 1 ball handler
Dallas management could have paid him 55 million and chose not to. Brunson said he would sign that contract and plan to stay in Dallas. It's on Dallas management not tampering bad choices by management
Athletes never lie about staying somewhere 😂 Especially athletes caught engaging in illegal negotiations
Dallas offered a contract extension already BEFORE 21/22 season even began, i.e. right after being practically useless against the bigger Clippers.
Then his father complained that his son was being offered to other teams, RIGHT AFTER Brunson's agent demanded at least a 72m/4year deal.
Not to mention that 55m value was a lie because that was exactly what DFS signed as an extension in January, so his agent most likely just told him that number to make it plausible.
@pulsed13 Unless you were the negotiation I will continue to believe his agent and family until proven otherwise. Who were in the negotiation room
They should've played 1 more season together to see.
I agree because Brunson was a good player in Dallas in last season especially in the playoffs when Luka was out but they don't fit together is because they both good streaky shooter although for Dallas fans and organization it suck for them they didn't geta draft compensation they need to compete in the West for trades
What would Kevin Love have looked like going anywhere else?
Trying to think of other such cases...
Ron Harper went from 20ppg 1994 to 7 in 1995. Jordan played baseball for most of the year though. I can't remember if Harper was injured or what happened.
I think it was easier for Kyrie to play with Luka than Brunson bc Kyrie has a ring and he's joining the team.
Brunson is homegrown and trying to come up under Luka's canopy, so maybe there is some ego there. Kyrie gets to be the guy your team brought in to help you, while Brunson has to be the guy your team will replace you with if you slip up.
So, it's not a matter of talent, Brunson just had to go.
Maybe similar to this is Linsanity, Carmelo didn't like that 😂
It's like, you're not going to do that on MY team, but if they traded for him and he came in his first few games doing this, it's maybe a little easier to ride the wave if you're the incumbent star.
Speaking of hogging and not sharing, how about Chris Vernon talking for five minutes before Kevin gets to speak for more than a sentence.
you could put peak 2003 kobe and peak tmac on both wings, luka would still make it his mission to get a 40 point triple double every night. that’s just how he’s wired as a player
Luka being 22/23 and adding blame to him instead of coaching is insane lol
Verno speaking facts today
Have anybody talked about Steve Nash when Dallas lost back than to the suns
Is Luka the most criticised superstar in nba?I dont get it.
Check the timeline for Brunson in Dallas and understand why he left,cmon
Luka is NOT the most criticized superstar in the nba. LeBron, AD, Embiid, KD and even Giannis are more criticized than Luka.
@@strickyboiwonder Exactly. Only a Mavs fan would think that. For a guy that dominates the ball and hasn't accomplished that much in the playoffs, criticism will come with that. If you are going to be compared with the greatest players ever and treated like a god, you also get the criticism that comes with not winning.
@elliotmyers625 All facts, he's just being a little sensitive, lol
@@strickyboiwonder At least Lebron, AD, Embiid, KD, and Giannis can get their flowers sometimes. Luka gets nothing but hate from the national media.
Of course if someone becomes the number one option they score more than if they are the second option.
While trivially obvious, you need only look at Jordan Poole and the fact he scored MORE with the Warriors than with the Wizards to show sometimes that isn't how it works, especially if you have a star that can draw all the attention even from the 2nd or 3rd option.
The tampering is so overblown he was going to be a Knick regardless.
regardless because of the tampering ! sounds like you dont understand that when his father talks to him or they make an offer to his agent its still tampering^^
@@denigster I'm not saying that it wasn't tampering but he already had it set in his mind he was coming to NY.
No in January of his last year in Dallas, his dad told him to take an extension & the Mavs FO decline to offer it. There’s a whole Sports Illustrated article that details the massive flop by the Mavs FO
@@JRMason-ri4ii Him coming to Knicks was already on his mind. He was willing to stay in Dallas if they extended him but they didn't so he left. Then once the Knicks hired his Father as the assistant Coach it was a done deal.
Cuban has said it and Brunson hasn't denied it......Dallas would have paid Brunson if JB would've let them. Brunson was set on NYK no matter what. He wouldn't even take a meeting with them! To say "Dallas should've paid him" is disingenuous and just flat out wrong.
Now, you could argue that Dallas should've given him the max rookie extension prior to the '21 trade deadline. You could argue that Dallas shouldn't have structured his contract to not make him a UFA after his fourth season. But to say that Dallas should've paid him? That's just sloppy and embarrassing.
This conversation goes back to confirm this belief: 10% of players will succeed regardless of their situation (Luka will be a star on any team). 80% of players will need the perfect situation in order to thrive (Jalen Brunsen, Haliburton, etc.) And the remaining 10% will suck because they just aren't good enough
But the thing is those 10% like Luka will succeed cuz wherever they go the team is going to change to their benefit because their dominance is already proven
@zotanica well if you're superstar why wouldn't teams change to accommodate for you? Even superstars have flaws
@@chueyang7221 so it isn’t much of a “will succeed regardless of situation” if the situation always changes so that you can succeed
@@chueyang7221 plus almost every star starts in that 80% until they prove themselves to actually be legit
Brunson and Luka drafted and develop in 4years by the Mavs. JB will be stil good
I don't know how Luka sees this & does not think to himself - what the fuck am I doing here. The Mavs are just so incompetent. Mark Cuban is a complete joke. I do believe Luka needs to learn to play off ball more. I can just never tell if it's Luka or if if it's his situation. Jason Kidd has actually tried less Luka. They just don't win games like that. I believe his usage rate is lower than ever but a lot of times when they move away from Luka it just looks terrible.
3 seasons ago Brunson was benched in the playoffs against the clippers for being terrible and was unplayable for the mavs. Nice to see him shine though
That was a coach decision they stop running P&R for him
Paul George locked his ass up.
What did he do the following year? Kobe was also horrible in his first playoffs.
You’re acting like young players don’t get better over time
@@keegan3472 bitter mavs fans trying to justify letting their championship domino leave for peanuts 😂
Luka and Brunson would be great together. Vernon is just a hater lol
No
Nobody likes playing with Luka
This kinda reminds me of IT on the Celtics that one year
It’s been two years now and he’s not 5’8 with injury problems
Jalen Brunson averaged 18.0 points, 4.6 rebounds and 4.2 assists in 5 games in the 2022 Western Conference Finals., and the team would bog down when Luka was off the floor. He wasn’t good enough as the 2nd guy, had noting to do with Luka .
Luka dribbles too much
It’s the same guy bro. If you look at his numbers on the mavs when he actually got to be used more he put up the same numbers.
That's not true at all. He wasn't this good yet. He just wasn't.
@@ubadman1 obviously he got better. But to say he wasn’t already at least 90% this good is just ignorant of the fact that all the numbers say the opposite