Destruction Test - D2 vs. AUS8 vs. SK85 - Which is the better steel?

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  • Destruction Test - D2 vs. AUS8 vs. SK85 - Which is the better steel?
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Komentáře • 325

  • @SurvivalLilly
    @SurvivalLilly  Před 2 lety +58

    JOE X the most brutal knife reviewer on CZcams destroyed my APO-1S today. Probably the best knife destruction I have ever seen on CZcams. He deserves more views. Please subscribe to his channel: czcams.com/video/b4ynaAhBpRk/video.html

    • @ferdelancelebienveillant1499
      @ferdelancelebienveillant1499 Před 2 lety

      I would have a preference for Steels, like a 60Ni20, a new steel for forging damask and
      which contains enough carbon to take a good temper.
      and enough nickel to stay very clear after the reveal.

    • @kele1264
      @kele1264 Před 2 lety +2

      I will watch that video. But there's no one I like better than you, Lilly!

    • @kele1264
      @kele1264 Před 2 lety +1

      I watched Joe's video. He is hilarious! He stabbed a car! 🤣🗡

    • @landminehopscotch3617
      @landminehopscotch3617 Před 2 lety +6

      That's very nice of you to not only give a shout out to another channel, but also encouraging your subs to watch him destroy a product of yours. Thanks Lilly

    • @joex
      @joex Před 2 lety +6

      Danke sehr!!

  • @SurvivalLilly
    @SurvivalLilly  Před 2 lety +19

    I am starting a new knife destruction series where I want to find out what the toughest steel is. Today I started with breaking my own knife. Next I will take on other steels from other brands. Do you have any suggestions which steels that you want to get compared? Also check out JOE X who does the wildest knife destruction tests: bit.ly/3sD3LAa

    • @marsrizzo2854
      @marsrizzo2854 Před 2 lety +2

      It hurts to damage a good knife.

    • @joex
      @joex Před 2 lety +2

      thanks a lot, my video about the APO 1 S is now online on my channel, i hope you like it!!! It did pretty awesome, thats for sure!!!!

    • @joex
      @joex Před 2 lety

      @@marsrizzo2854 no, not really!

    • @kevinAuman1
      @kevinAuman1 Před 2 lety +1

      Cruwear or cpm3v!

    • @seanwelding4183
      @seanwelding4183 Před 2 lety

      S35vn and m390 would be awesome to see tested.

  • @Hondo79
    @Hondo79 Před 2 lety +10

    I have the 1S and it’s a beast . I have zero reservations after owning it 8 months . NoI have no connections to Lilly . It’s well thought out and it shows.

  • @TwistedSither
    @TwistedSither Před 2 lety +17

    I've never had any issues with carbon steel blades, other than their tendency to rust easily. Quite a few of my knives are made of 440 stainless or surgical steel, and ave been pretty reliable over the years with little maintenance. I'm not terribly familiar with AUS-8 steel, but the more I see your APO-1, and its capabilities, the more I want one.

    • @SurvivalLilly
      @SurvivalLilly  Před 2 lety +7

      AUS-8 is equivalent to 440B and behaves similar

  • @angelguidesabbath
    @angelguidesabbath Před 2 lety +8

    Grain structure, as well the quality of the heat treatment make a difference. Just because the HRC is meant to be in a certain range for each knife, does not mean that there are not flaws in how they heat treat. Making some parts of the knife weaker then other areas.

    • @SurvivalLilly
      @SurvivalLilly  Před 2 lety +4

      if I test 10 knives of the same steel like in this video, I think the outcome would still be the same. I had one D2 steel knife which chipped on wood btw. So yeah. It is kinda brittle.

    • @vikingskuld
      @vikingskuld Před 2 lety +2

      @@SurvivalLilly Lilly no no no no D2 is not brittle unless you heat treat it into the 60s. Not understanding what D2 is is why that happens D2 " DIE" steel is used in making dies to forge steel parts in factory. I have seen large d2 block slammed together with a red hot piece of steel between them. Slamming out one fully formed forged car part. The thousands to millions of pounds per square inch would destroy the dies if that type of steel was brittle.. not being rude but can you explain that? Look up D2 Die steel and read about its properties and what its used for. Thanks again. I am no metallurgy professional. I have sat in many black smithing classes and knife making work shops as well as attending SOFA southern Ohio forge and anvil events. I have studied metallurgy with knife makes who make some of the most expensive knives in the industry. I make knives as a hobby and have for over 15 years now. So I'm not just some troll here. Also I am trying to be very respectful to you. I just have a different set of experiences with D2 then you have. Thanks again

    • @savage22bolt32
      @savage22bolt32 Před 2 lety

      @@vikingskuld Generally speaking, D2 is chosen for it's ability to attain high hardness. Often it will be heat treated (hardened & tempered) to 62-64 on the Rockwell C scale.
      Tempering at a higher temp can bring hardness down to RC 58-60.
      Double tempering at an even higher temp can bring the hardness below RC 58, which would be tougher than the higher RC numbers.
      D2 is a through hardening steel, and is great for punches & sheet metal forming dies. It may be used to make hot forging dies, but there are tougher steels that are better for that purpose.
      Been retired a few years, & going from memory. I'm sure you will correct me if I have it wrong.

    • @vikingskuld
      @vikingskuld Před 2 lety

      @@savage22bolt32 nope you got it right I have made them at 61 and like all things its a tool you choose a purpose and make the tool for that purpose. There are much better steels today. Easier to work as well. D2 is a tough pain in the ass. I personally don't make them that hard unless it's a skinning blade or a fillet knife. That's just my personal opinion though. Thanks

    • @savage22bolt32
      @savage22bolt32 Před 2 lety

      @@vikingskuld i believe you know your stuff. I never made a knife, worked in aerospace. Loved the field trips to the closed die forging companies.

  • @QuantumPyrite_88.9
    @QuantumPyrite_88.9 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Trying to order the AOS online and seeing "Sold Out" is no longer a surprise. I wish more people were familiar with the term - Ductility. The ability for a blade to flex and return to its' original geometry without breaking.
    All the best to you in all future endeavors , from an old mechanical engineer, knife maker and machinist.

  • @Nebulax123
    @Nebulax123 Před 2 lety +18

    AUS 8 has been my favorite for 40 years it will hold a decent edge, it is low maintenance, it is fairly easy to sharpen and has very good toughness and not bad wear resistance. As a knifemaker I have tried nearly everything in the past 65 years and it is just hard to beat.

    • @Solly-ow4od
      @Solly-ow4od Před 2 lety +6

      With all these “super steels” nowadays and the insane prices that go with them. Everyone seems to forget how great AUS 8 really is.

    • @saintboondock5098
      @saintboondock5098 Před rokem +1

      Totally agree, low maintenance is underrated

    • @BrizzyMo
      @BrizzyMo Před rokem +2

      Probably my least favorite steel. AUS-10 yes. AUS-8 no. I usually think of it this way. The Ontario offers a cheap, throw away, trial version of the RAT-1 (and others) in AUS-8 steel. If you decide you like the knife well enough, you buy the real knife which is in D2. Just my experience of course, but every knife I've had in AUS-8 steel just felt like a gas station knife as far as sharpenability and edge retention. Is it easy to sharpen? Yes - much easier than D2. But I have never liked the edge on any AUS-8 knife. Perhaps I need to change sharpening techniques or something.

    • @TheCrystalJules
      @TheCrystalJules Před 10 měsíci

      @@BrizzyMoI'm looking at a knife in AUS-10, can you tell me about what sets it above AUS-8 in your eyes?

    • @monkeymcgee3630
      @monkeymcgee3630 Před 10 měsíci

      Can't argue with that. I learned knife making using magnacut and s35v so I'm much more familiar with these 2. Aus 8 is a great steel my only complaint it dulls to fast after several hours of hard work and it's a little on the soft side for a camp knife. The thing I love the about aus8 is that you can get a decent edge in the field using a rock and a little water

  • @makenchips
    @makenchips Před rokem +2

    I have an SK85 blade on my Japanese Kanna blade in it, and we don't use it like a survival knife, but I am very impressed with how it holds an edge in planning wood, even hard wood. This is compared to 01 tool steel blades in an American premium hand block plane (similar size).
    So, I thought I share another perspective on SK85. Med and high carbon steels to me are or make good blades.
    Sharpening is also a general word. I prefer grinding and polishing when describing an edge issue. Since you do not have to grind an edge to fix a dull edge, you may need only to polish it back. That makes a big difference to me in describing failure modes of and edge.
    Every grade of steel has been formulated for some specific purpose or use orignal purpose, these didnt happen by chance. As we use them in different environments, conditions, or applications, you will have some trade offs in performance, which she stated! Well done there! Columbus Michigan

  • @richardelliott9511
    @richardelliott9511 Před 2 lety +3

    Lilly, I appreciate the confirmation of your design parameters. The fact that you keep getting the same results proves your theory and stengthens my confidence in choosing the APO1. I was also impressed with the sheath design. It is not just the typical kydex sheath but has features that deserve to be showcased better. I think you might do well to do a comparrison with the other sheaths too.

  • @realbroggo
    @realbroggo Před 2 lety +10

    The take away is - you really need to match your steel selection with the intended task. For example, working by the sea - go stainless (in this case AUS-8 would be best). D2 has it's place but it can be brittle esp. at high HRC so it's not a recommended chopping steel. Another informative vid. Thanks Lilly.

    • @savage22bolt32
      @savage22bolt32 Před 2 lety +2

      Intelligent comment.
      I was just going to say the same thing!

    • @28tpi
      @28tpi Před 6 měsíci

      I agree 💯

  • @20DYNAMITE06
    @20DYNAMITE06 Před 2 lety +5

    I love carbon steels for this use. On mine, I often strip the factory coating and use gun blueing for rust protection. They get a great patina, maintain a sharp spine for striking ferro rod (some factory coatings round off the spine), and I've never had anything worse than surface rust and I live in the pacific north west.

  • @tygre7
    @tygre7 Před rokem +2

    AUS8 is never a bad choice; love that steel!

  • @AwesomeFish12
    @AwesomeFish12 Před 2 lety +5

    Thanks Lilly. I learned a lot from this video. I didn't know the different types of steel, just stainless and hardened/carbon, I didn't realize that it was so much more complex.

    • @richardelliott9511
      @richardelliott9511 Před 2 lety

      Awesomefish12, oh boy you said a mouthful! I am just so glad that I came across Lilly's video explaining he goals in designing her knife. Her logic kept bringing me back even after researching other knives. So I am the proud owner of an APO 1. Now I am an old school guy and will always carry other wood processing blades, it is nice to know that your knife is capable of far harder tasks than I am ever going to ask of it. Sorry, didn't mean for this to sound like a commercial but yeah, there is so much info out there to be sifted through when shopping for your "perfect" knife. Happy trails!

    • @joejones9520
      @joejones9520 Před 2 lety

      and the heat-treatment may be even more important than the type of steel .

    • @richardelliott9511
      @richardelliott9511 Před 2 lety +1

      @@joejones9520 absolutely! Even today a super steel can still be ruined by improper heat treatment....

  • @edwemail8508
    @edwemail8508 Před 2 lety +1

    My AUS-8 is 2 years old and has to work for a living. No problems at all. Love it.

  • @4850937
    @4850937 Před rokem +2

    According to Larrin Thomas, 13c26 and 14c28n, and 5160 are the best for toughness. Toughness is priority for a stabbing knife. The SRK shape is narrow (like historic daggers). It's best to have other knives for most cutting.

  • @joetrippi7356
    @joetrippi7356 Před 2 lety +4

    Why am I not surprised Lilly cuts open her sausages with a giant survival knife?

  • @larryeddings3185
    @larryeddings3185 Před 2 lety +3

    I have owned and used the original APO-1 in both SK85 and AUS8 for about 3 years. Both knives have served me very well. The design is excellent and the fit and finish is first rate. While I have no plans to subject them to these sort of tests, I am very confident about their durability and usefulness.

  • @russellvonastel7111
    @russellvonastel7111 Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks Lilly,another great video

  • @petezahrbock9931
    @petezahrbock9931 Před 2 lety

    Sweet video Lillly. Keep up the good work.

  • @andreas_rr
    @andreas_rr Před 2 lety +4

    I got the S1 and i'm really happy with it. You just need to be aware of the steel being a bit softer and needing more care (i.e. resharpening) but i dont think a harder steel is a good choice for larger knives. For smaller knives i'd still prefer something like a M390 which is just a great steel especially for knives that are meant for being really sharp and for a long time (without compromising the corrosion resistance at all). But yea, thats not what you'd need in a larger knife.

  • @doubled3983
    @doubled3983 Před 2 lety +1

    Hello from Oklahoma! Thanks to all the knife snobs that drove this young lady to do a destruction test. Interesting Video! Thanks for all U do Lilly!👍👍 God Bless!

  • @turboslag
    @turboslag Před 2 lety +5

    Looks like the D2 blade fractured at the end of the gimping, so that was most likely a stress raiser which propagated a fracture. Although is not likely to be an issue in practical use, as no one is going to abuse their survival knife as shown here, if the gimping was polished after machining, to remove any sharp angles, then the blade wouldn't fracture so easily. Also, heat treatment is very important with D2, for the best results.

    • @SurvivalLilly
      @SurvivalLilly  Před 2 lety +3

      yes it is probably no problem, but I have seen D2 steel knives breaking when batoning too. So they are kinda brittle.

    • @owenmorse3136
      @owenmorse3136 Před 2 lety +1

      D2 is a hunters knife 🔪.

  • @nordicson2835
    @nordicson2835 Před 2 lety

    I only use my Kbar ( 3 of them ) , but it was good to see the tests you put these knives through. Thank you for your informative and enjoyable posts.

  • @savage22bolt32
    @savage22bolt32 Před 2 lety +1

    The rust on the SK85 carbon steel blade gives it character.
    I'm still using my grandma's carbon steel kitchen knives 80 - 100 years old!
    For general purpose outdoors knives, various grades of stainless work good for me.

  • @timhess6720
    @timhess6720 Před 2 lety

    I have the same opinion as a few others who have posted comments here as in they both have their place. Harder steels for smaller knives for more delicate precision work and softer for the larger knife for heavier more abusive jobs. I have a few of each. I still need to get out and use the APO1S a little more but the little I have used it carving and batoning or just cutting up dinner it has proven to be a very nice blade so far. I have found the APO1S to have a more comfortable grip than some of my other survival knives as well. Well done Lilly with the steel choice and design! Keep up the great work!

  • @Eichhoernchenschreck
    @Eichhoernchenschreck Před rokem +2

    To be fair, K110 isn't that tough, but it holds it's edge pretty well. If you want powdered steels that are hard to damage, try something like magnacut, cpm3v delta or cpm1v. The last one should be the most difficult to break. However, I don't think edge retention or even toughness are that important in a survival situation, as long as you know how to use your tool. However, ease of sharpening is. So in my opinion you should always have at least one softer knife with you. If it gets dull, you still can sharpen it on a rock. Good luck trying this with someting like magnacut. But of course your blade also has to deliver the right thickness, length and geometry for the job.

  • @tominnorcal
    @tominnorcal Před 2 lety

    Good test. Thanks!

  • @willbrink
    @willbrink Před rokem

    People say negative things about AUS8 cuz it's not modern super steel, but with a good HT, it seems a good choice for that application of survival/camp/bush type knives.

  • @killitngrillit922
    @killitngrillit922 Před 2 lety +1

    Awesome video 👍

  • @glennnewell2786
    @glennnewell2786 Před 2 lety

    Great test Lilly , I use 1095 steel in my camp knife . Thanks for your time! Love your channel in Texas !

  • @rrrt01
    @rrrt01 Před 2 lety

    I have the APO1, love it! Keeps it edge very well. NOT going to bang on any concrete blocks any time soon. Going on 2 years now, pretty much the best fixed blade I own.

  • @preppingpenguin
    @preppingpenguin Před 2 lety

    Nice comparison, nice to see how you came to the decision of the APO1S I am so fond of in my bag. Have a great day stay well stay prepped

  • @xiaoabrose
    @xiaoabrose Před 2 lety +1

    You should include more competitive steels. Comparing budget steels and then against an unrealistic test on a steel bar. AEB-L for stainless or CPM-3v for semi-stainless will outperform AUS-8 in any test. (I hear you delete negative comments - let's see)

  • @davidcarter8457
    @davidcarter8457 Před 2 lety

    Thank you Lilly. This is informative.
    I have your 1S and I’m quite fond of it.
    With luck we will see how well it does cutting up a Bison.

  • @tonnywildweasel8138
    @tonnywildweasel8138 Před 2 měsíci

    Both of your knives are among the best JoeX has ever tested. Till this day !! They are VERY good 👍
    Greetings from the Netherlands 🇳🇱, TW.

  • @craigleewhite6317
    @craigleewhite6317 Před 2 lety

    Survivallilly.
    When you designed your knives you were showing off. Your keeping the best knife design for yourself.
    Craig the piece of thin 9ft stainless steel chain guy here;) with seperate grappling hook in a secret Cornish woods with some rope. Skipping with the stainless chain made the skin wore my fingers to the bone. Having make some thin alluminium handles from thin poles, beating those on so the chain stays. Now skipping is made easier, taking my fitnesses to take on COVID-19 to a higher level. You can easily beat it with any of your knives but the broken blade will not help:) Thank you Survivallilly.
    What next Survivallilly?

  • @aldenunion
    @aldenunion Před 2 lety +1

    As a youth I was gave Carbon blade and taught how to maintain as it runs hand in hand with slicking you're firearm after each day out.
    Lucas knife oil,always care for Carbon and Gun same time.
    Salt water application I like AEB-L..Stainless that is much like Carbon..
    Aus8 is good all around steel,Reason Cold Steel and Lilly Use...Performance Knives.
    Boeher DNH7 I like on my "Citadel" differential Hardened blades.
    I love knife talk..

  • @roadsareoptional8670
    @roadsareoptional8670 Před 2 lety +1

    I specifically searched out a D2 knife for deer hunting, for which it works very well. I would agree that for a survival knife, a tougher steel is better even if you need to sharpen it more often.

  • @happydog4929
    @happydog4929 Před 2 lety +1

    I like the AUS8 for outdoors but I'm starting to like very thin carbon steel for cooking.
    Good video thank you.

  • @BonaFideWildLife
    @BonaFideWildLife Před rokem +1

    I love this video! I was going to go with D2 but after watching this, I decided to go with AUS8 steel. Well after doing even more research, I ended up with Buck 420HC knives! They didn't rust as easily like AUS8; are easy to sharpen; held an edge longer than AUS8 (another video); and were the best bang for my buck (sorry for the pun)! Once I received my Buck knives, I fell in love with them and the Made In America company that stands behind their knives!

  • @armenarakelian9876
    @armenarakelian9876 Před 7 měsíci

    Brilliant test great video thank you

  • @PileofBrass
    @PileofBrass Před 2 měsíci

    I have to add in, super steels are still good for survival knives because we don't expect to be using them in the manner you tortured tested them. Reasonable field use with any super steel will give stellar results.

  • @jimmillward3505
    @jimmillward3505 Před 2 lety

    great vid lilly

  • @DavidRussell323
    @DavidRussell323 Před 2 lety

    the sounds with the concrete and pipe tests were so nice

  • @fgallogallo7
    @fgallogallo7 Před 2 lety +1

    Personally I stay away from the super steals. I am 65 years old and have been using buck knives with their 420 HC for over 48 years they’ve never failed me. Stay safe

  • @arthurleslie9669
    @arthurleslie9669 Před 2 lety +2

    I’m still using my knives from the 60’s that I only know are carbon steel. I have never needed to change nor have I ever felt the need to know about them. They still perform and hold a great edge. What else do I really need to know?
    I was recently gifted a new knife though, so I guess that perhaps I should see what I can learn about what I was given whether I ever plan to use it or not.

  • @CraveNature
    @CraveNature Před 2 lety

    Hey Lilly - Have you been watching Forged in Fire again...? 🤣🤣 That certainly was a destruction test! I love your content. Yours is one of the most interesting channels on YT. Thanks for all the hard work you put in to make this an awesome channel.

  • @CS-in3pg
    @CS-in3pg Před 2 lety +1

    Dearest Lilly, Congratulations on reaching your 1 Million viewers mark!! You are the Best!!! 😊

  • @praticle
    @praticle Před 2 lety +13

    Could you do a video on sharpening in the field? From everything you've shown it definitely seems that 57 +/-1 is the way to go, but how sharp can one get it in, say, a post-apocalyptic scenario?

  • @macgyver1952
    @macgyver1952 Před 2 lety +1

    The hardest thing to achieve in D2 steel is hardening, especially tempering. If the tempering is not done at the right temperature and in the right time, the result is in your hands. It is very unlikely to have to cut metal pipes in survival, or in bushcraft, this has never happened to me. Ciao!!

  • @JCOwens-zq6fd
    @JCOwens-zq6fd Před 2 lety +1

    Well done. Ive done survival all over myself & i would absolutely agree w/ your assessments. At the end of the day though i think it comes to whats best for you & what your going to be doing. I prefer carbon steel in most all cases but i have very 4 very specific reasons for choosing it.
    1)centuries of proven toughness 2) i can reforge it in field if i need to 3) if all my other ignition sources fail I can get sparks from my knife & a rock 4) its easy to sharpen even if im tired & weak. Incidentally 1095 is best for shorter blades but i prefer 1075 for longer ones. Just my 2 cents on the matter i guess.

  • @OehlJim
    @OehlJim Před 2 lety +1

    I wouldn't bash the K110 too bad. No one, even in a survival situation will treat it as bad as you did in testing...we will treat it as if it were the last sharp thing we will ever see. Good test though! Thanks.

  • @oontz77
    @oontz77 Před rokem +1

    Isn't it common sense that the harder the steel the less shock resistant it is? Once a steel exceeds a hardness of 58 it becomes too hard to whack.
    It would have been more useful if all 3-knives were the same hardness. K110 is European D2. It will outshine the other two steel for cutting and
    edge retention.

  • @bruce-qm5fl
    @bruce-qm5fl Před 11 měsíci +1

    For a survival type knife AUS 8 and 1095 carbon are all you need. They sharpen easily , and hold an edge plenty well to get the job done. Mora's carbon steel is also outstanding. My AUS 8 knives are from Seki Japan. I also have 2 SOG Seal Pups made in Seki Japan that are AUS 6. They work to perfection. Japanese stainless is plenty good for me.

  • @scottdidonato4428
    @scottdidonato4428 Před 2 lety

    Good one Lily!

  • @lylesmith5079
    @lylesmith5079 Před 2 lety +1

    I really appreciate your test. I have some AUS 8 knives. I have read that they are not good for holding an egde. You showed that this is in fact an excellent steel.

  • @rodneymiddleton1044
    @rodneymiddleton1044 Před 2 lety +1

    Lilly , I 'am a hobby knife maker down here in Australia and I use a lot of high carbon steels from 1075, 1080 , 1084 & SUP9 or other wise called spring steel . I would like to know what the grain looks like inside that broken knife . Whether or not it looks rough would mean that it was not heat treated very well and the smoother the better . Most knives are not made for such punishment even though there are some really great knife makers which can make very tough blades which wont break with some rough use .As to the surface condition to your blades pictured I was some what shocked that no care has been given to them such as washing in warm soapy water and drying the blade then rubbing some vegetable oil over the blades to prevent rusting . There are ways to coat high carbon steel blades such as a hot vinegar soak for an hour or sending them of to be ceracoated one could also use demineralized water and ferric acid after the blade has had it's heat treatment and hardened to whatever HRC desired . This is definitely a ppe process with gloves & proper face mask as the fumes are very dangerous also bicarbonate soda is needed for washing your blade after putting in ferric solution . The ferric solution should be kept in a glass jar with a good lid and labelled with a Warning Sign and kept out of reach from children. Stay safe and look forward to your next video 😁

  • @martinhafner2201
    @martinhafner2201 Před 2 lety +1

    Something near 0.8% carbon seems to work reliably in large beater knives and has worked for a long time.
    The 80CRV2 alloy used by the Varusteleka/Terava line works well. It is essentially SK85 with a tiny bit of chrome and vanadium added to get a little bit harder. That's the traditional "low alloy" approach (O1, O2 also) that adds a little dusting of chromium carbide and vanadium carbide without taking away the alloy's toughness, but is still close to 1080 or 1095.
    Condor likes 1075, which is close to that standard. They make durable knives, not pretty knives. Ontario Knives has moved from mostly 1095 to 1075. The very reliable Tramontina machetes use 1070. When knives get larger and have to take a bigger beating, then 5160 (low alloy 1060 or 1065) becomes the reliable steel, such as in the traditional heavy kukri knives which are practically hatchets. Then the real beaters, hatchets and axes, usually settle into 1045, 1050 or maybe 5160.
    The 5160 axes/hatchets are for high performance and have a higher risk of chipping, while the workhorse hatchets/axes are usually in 1045 and just get sharpened a lot.
    I am all for a small, hard knife and large durable knife. My favorite combo is a Mora Garberg (1095) or Terava Jaakaripuukko (80crv2) for carving. Ideally, it would be a Bark River Bravo 2 in A2 or CPM3V. And then an Ontario SP53 (5160, 10" blade) for chopping and splitting wood. Or maybe a Terava Skrama (80CRV2, 9.5" blade).
    But I will still have a pocket knife : Benchmade Freek (S30V), Ontario Rat 1 (D2) or Gerber Gator Drop Point (154CM) for small work and long edge retention. The Gator actually has the best handle for outdoor work, but it makes it a little lumpy in the pocket for EDC, so it's more of an "outdoor EDC".
    For a true one knife solution, you have to settle back in to the 1080 range for reliability. Of my current knives, that would be either the Jaakaripuukko 140 (80CRV2, 5.5" blade) or the Cold Steel Drop Forged Survivalist (52100, 8" blade). For knives that I don't have yet, the smaller Terava Skrama 200 (80CRV2, 8" blade) would be a very good choice, or maybe an Ontario Ranger RD6 (5160, 1/4" spine, 6.6" blade).
    I don't live in very wet places, so I would rather get some of the extra hardness and toughness of a non-stainless blade. The South Amercans (e.g. Tramontina) just bring a little jar of Vaseline for their carbon steel blades. I made some fixin' wax from beeswax, mineral oil and jojoba oil that is a little bit stickier.

  • @robertmansell2398
    @robertmansell2398 Před 2 lety +1

    AUS-8 & SK85 should prove to be reliable steels. Optimum hardness should be 55 to 57 Rockwell C with hard spring temper.

  • @chrisgalvin6703
    @chrisgalvin6703 Před 2 lety

    If you’re relying on a knife to survive you surely don’t want it to break. Purchased a Aus8 steel knife. Even though it might get dull it’s still usable if it broke I’d be in a world of hurt. That’s the great test that you performed it makes me feel confident in the purchase of your Knife.

  • @aklelitecorp
    @aklelitecorp Před 2 lety

    Great video. AUS8 has always been my favourite.

  • @davedunks4647
    @davedunks4647 Před 2 lety

    can't believe how fast the black apo1s sold out, I snagged an uncoated one however. It is PERFECTLY balanced. Love it

  • @frxa2739
    @frxa2739 Před 2 lety

    Awesome test!! it makes you rethink D2, but it will be super fun to see you restore the banged up knives back to their sharpest states... thnx Lilly

  • @mauriaikio2837
    @mauriaikio2837 Před 2 lety +1

    Excellent video again Lilly. Very well done comparison of different steels with exactly similar knifes. Maybe you could make new version of APO-1S with SK85, because that carbon steel is really good steel and people like to use carbon steels like me.

  • @harvesterbladeco
    @harvesterbladeco Před 2 lety +2

    My opinion. In a survival situation, I'd rather have a sharp knife than a pry bar. D2 is definitely not the best for a survival knife. Sk85 is essentially the same as Sk5. Aus8 is basically 440A. I'd take Sk5 over Aus8 any day, and I'd pick D2 over it as well. A knife should be a good knife more than a good survival knife.

  • @kinggorman4494
    @kinggorman4494 Před 2 lety +1

    That was a good test. I agree that in a survival situation a tough blade is the way to go. I have one of your knives and love it. Congratulations on both your marriage and going over the 1m mark. You deserve it.

  • @rayhancock3350
    @rayhancock3350 Před měsícem

    So, the takeaway here is that as long as you use a knife to cut things and not hammer them K110/D2 is the best, also clean and oil your blades!

  • @orowock1
    @orowock1 Před rokem +2

    Great respect for your testing efforts, but keep in mind one company's Aus 8 is different from the next. Just as Buck has almost perfected the hardening process with boss 420 stainless the next company may not be as resilient. In short it's not always the steel but how it's heat treated.

  • @DHL4Jesus
    @DHL4Jesus Před 2 lety

    Thank you Lilly. Very informative video. I have all kinds of blades but now realize the weakness of D2. I appreciate your videos:)

  • @kingrafa3938
    @kingrafa3938 Před 2 lety

    Great knife test.

  • @jacobpeterson1165
    @jacobpeterson1165 Před 2 lety +1

    This would be great to see in 12c27 or AEB-L

  • @danieljones2183
    @danieljones2183 Před 2 lety +2

    Knife testing like none other! Good job Lily. Just wondering, how difficult to sharpen those knives again and can they be restored to a useable edge?

    • @SurvivalLilly
      @SurvivalLilly  Před 2 lety +2

      JOE X is testing knives like no other. Check him out: czcams.com/video/b4ynaAhBpRk/video.html

    • @danieljones2183
      @danieljones2183 Před 2 lety

      @@SurvivalLilly I just watched Joe x destroy your knife. I've been thinking about purchasing one now I must have one. Thank you!

  • @28tpi
    @28tpi Před 6 měsíci

    D2 has its place. Did you see that edge compared to the other 2. All these different steels have their place according to the application use. Thanks!

  • @ryanblystone5153
    @ryanblystone5153 Před 2 lety

    Thank you

  • @pakleader4
    @pakleader4 Před 2 lety

    SEE PEOPLE THATS a real test. That’s what I have been telling my Facebook family about knives. Your still good at what you do little lady. KEEP’EM coming. Never stop educating the public. Take care for now and thanks🤨🤓😉😘
    Semper fi

  • @brianknecht3216
    @brianknecht3216 Před 2 lety +1

    A quick wipe down with WD40 prevents rust.

  • @kenken-ss7jn
    @kenken-ss7jn Před 2 lety

    Thats a stresstest, good info

  • @ptouchpaul
    @ptouchpaul Před 2 lety

    Thanks Lilly, best blade I have is the Esee 4 1095 carbon steel with a lifetime guarantee.

  • @JoeyKnifeInnovations
    @JoeyKnifeInnovations Před 9 měsíci

    Nice demostration.
    D2 acted like D2, but Aus 8 was like ok, well heat treated quality Aus 8 has the potential to be very good, but SK-85 was the real surprise here.
    The SK-85 didn't perform very well at all, which was kinda interesting, because that kind of light abusing should not have damaged the blade like it did in youre video.
    It souldn't have damaged it at all, but it looks like it did?
    My vision is blurry from time to time but the SK-85 damaged pretty heavily?
    I suppose you don't know that something has gone seriously wrong in making of that SK-85 knife blade, so this is propably a surprise for you as well. The steel could have been poorly produced, perhaps something went wrong accidently in the steel factory or perhaps there has been some kind of a issue heat treating, tempering or belt sanding the blade, etc. But it sure, does look to be left way too soft. Quality control didnt see there a problem either for some reason?
    Can't say for sure, but the SK-85 should perform better, is this a normal result for you Lilly?

  • @theseekerndestroyer
    @theseekerndestroyer Před 11 měsíci

    And they say sk85 and aus8 are just fancy term for Japanese steel. I say BS, she just proved it that it’s all in the heat treat and the expertise of the maker. Great video, love it.

  • @jamesaigler285
    @jamesaigler285 Před 2 lety

    Hello again Lilly.thank u for this video.I have one of ur knives,I like it and recommend it

  • @N2freedom
    @N2freedom Před 2 lety +1

    For survival I would take the softer steel. It probably would do better in very cold conditions.

  • @philigan2339
    @philigan2339 Před 2 lety

    Thanks for all your videos. I hope you can include a VG-10 knife someday.

  • @blueduck9409
    @blueduck9409 Před 2 lety

    You can take the rusty knife to a bench grinder with a wire wheel on it, and it will clean the rust off. Use a cloth buffing wheel to smooth out any pitting caused by rust.

  • @thevagrowinggardener1898
    @thevagrowinggardener1898 Před 5 měsíci

    Awesome video! I’m just becoming acquainted with your content and I’m enjoying it! Are your knives still for sale in the US? And how does Aus-10 compare to Aus-8?

    • @Novocastrian777
      @Novocastrian777 Před 2 měsíci

      Aus-10 is 440c. Aus-8 is 440b. 440c was a popular steel for a long time. Eclipsed by modern steels in every metric, but is relatively cheap.

  • @timparsons2741
    @timparsons2741 Před 2 lety

    I love my ESEE 5 and the Tops Brakimo . And your Channel .

  • @jorgendavidsson
    @jorgendavidsson Před 2 lety +1

    I really don't understand all these knife tests everywhere. Is that how people really use their knives? Bend the knife blade, hit a rock, blow it up, throw it into a volcano, and so on and so on. I have never tortured my knives like this. I'm out in the wilderness every other day and I take care of my knives as if they were my babies. Even a budget knife can be great if you just take care of it. If you end up in an emergency, you will not die due to a bad knife but more likely due to how you handle your knife and your equipment.

  • @joex
    @joex Před 2 lety +1

    hey Lilly, super cool test, my video about the APO 1S is going online today! greets!!!

    • @SurvivalLilly
      @SurvivalLilly  Před 2 lety

      that is great, I cant wait for it!

    • @SurvivalLilly
      @SurvivalLilly  Před 2 lety

      when you come back to Austria we make a video together :)

    • @joex
      @joex Před 2 lety

      @@SurvivalLilly i will tell you for sure when i know it!!

  • @iruwild
    @iruwild Před 9 dny

    5160 is good, cheap, and easy to forge and heat treat and takes a very wicked edge..enough to shave with. I also like my fallkniven blades with COS steel..take crazy sharp edge

  • @johnwyman5939
    @johnwyman5939 Před 2 lety

    Crazy ,crazy crazy !!! Nice job testing .🇺🇸🇺🇸

  • @ferdelancelebienveillant1499

    I would have a preference for Steels, like a 60Ni20, a new steel for forging damask and
    which contains enough carbon to take a good temper.
    and enough nickel to stay very clear after the reveal.

  • @sveltergamer5934
    @sveltergamer5934 Před 2 lety

    You could be a knife salesman going door to door.

  • @Dookie69uk
    @Dookie69uk Před 8 měsíci

    I guess lower HRC is best for a survival knife but if you're looking for edge retention then something like s90v or Maxamet is the way to go. There will never be one perfect knife it all depends on what the user wants from the knife. Thanks for your experiment though, very useful.

  • @DDDYLN
    @DDDYLN Před rokem

    Survival Lilly - Excellent comparison. I'd be interested to see how AUS10 compares to AUS8. Also, let me know if you ever run a sale! 😃

  • @sherwinpalacio3227
    @sherwinpalacio3227 Před 2 lety

    Your knives are awesome!

  • @terrybest8973
    @terrybest8973 Před rokem +1

    Yes you are so right I like 1095 and aus 8

  • @awesomereviews1561
    @awesomereviews1561 Před 2 lety +1

    CPM D2 fixes the issue

  • @stevemayeske4212
    @stevemayeske4212 Před 2 lety

    I have your original AUS8 AP1. I loved it very much, but the handle screws came loose and were lost. How can I find new ones? Can you. Send me some?

    • @SurvivalLilly
      @SurvivalLilly  Před 2 lety

      Please send me an email survivallilly@mailbox.org

  • @bluegrasssurvival9423
    @bluegrasssurvival9423 Před 2 lety

    Funny mask Lilly. I had a feeling that the Bohler steel would break first due to how hard it was and considering the fact that it's a stainless steel.

  • @wearandtear6692
    @wearandtear6692 Před 2 lety

    Good test. Mechanix M-Pact would serve your hands well btw ;-)