Which Budget Blade Steel Cuts the Longest?
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I'm glad to see that our Feldspar made the cut! We're really happy with the heat treat that we've been able to get on our D2, especially in the CJRB line!
Yes, your D2, and steelwill's D2 are rather some of the finer examples of D2.
Artisan Cutlery i own a few of your cjrb knives, my favorite so far being the centros with carbon fiber scales. What is it that is setting this D2 steel apart? is it coming out with a higher Rockwell hardness or treated for toughness?
The blade on the centros worried me at first as i am used to thicker stock but it has proven itself a working knife. In fact the thinner blade stock makes it even more handy than a lot of the old drop point blades I used to carry.
@@josephdecker0 civivi's d2 is awesome too
Zack Schumann There are a couple i would like to own, i just wish civivi made frame locks on knives like the elementum and bullmastiff. big knives with a liner lock seems.....wrong. especially when i can feel the liner lock pushing out during heavier use.
I love y’alls knives,just ordered the burlap micarta tomahawk from SMKW...I feel like I could chop down a tree with my brass Osprey..lol..I have bought any of the CJRB knives yet but definitely plan on doing so...wish I could afford to buy one of those titanium/timascus knives with the Damascus blades but they are out of my price range
If you are already familiar with Pete's testing methods, results start at 7:55.
Thank you!
Just finally got my pocket knife shaving sharp using 80 grit sandpaper, random mistery grit pocket stone, a brick, and leather strop. I was normal before I watched this channel I think.
I've been EDCing 14c28n for six months or so and I love it. It instantly became my new favorite value steel
It’s my favorite budget steel too. 14c28n is tougher than LC200N and even has the same edge retention. And people perceive LC200N as a “premium steel” and companies like spiderco certainly charge a premium price for it. I recently got a Civivi with 14c and I’m really impressed with it.
I always enjoy the knife lab thanks Pete. Side by side side budget steels great topic, Everything doesn't need to be a Super Steel., a budget beater with a good action is fun to have around as well.
Pete thanks for the work you put in.
Knaf lab cut tests is why we came to this channel, the humor and presentation is why we stay.
I never get tired of the cut tests. I'd be happy to send you a pile of Manix 2's if you ever wanted to revisit a "same platform, different steels"' test like you did with the Mules. I have them in every steel variety they've been made in, less the early 154 variety. Spy27 is on the way when ever it actually gets released...
I came to this channel for Pete and the knives, I stayed for Bricky 👌🏻
Without even being aware of it, I had been waiting for you to do this video! Thank you.
Great work sir. I always learn from you and your labor. Never stop producing good quality testing and good comedy sir!
I love your testing and your sense of humor. I enjoy all your videos regardless of content. Keep up the good work sir. Also thank you for your stance on sprint runs, I agree.
Great test ,real results keep it up ..I'm a D2 guy living in the midwest no rust problem. My favorite budget steel
"All will be brick." Bricky seems to be a real prophet. When the world wide nuclear apocalypse finally comes to fruition, most everything will be brick & glass albeit somewhat melted & heat treated.
I was watching & listening to your video while wearing cordless headphones & was busy with something for a moment & glanced away from the screen when an add came on. It was for a tracking device & the robotic voice on the add sounded so much like Bricky that I thought he had interrupted your narration to inform you of his plans to monitor your movements in the future. It took me a while to realise it was an add.
On a more video related note: I for one, much appreciate the time & effort you put into this video comparing the more common steels seen as budget options these days. Although I as many others, your self included no doubt, appreciate the newer "super' steels that are favoured on most quality folders for their durability, have never been hung up on them exclusively & instead care more about design/geometry, practicality in use & maintenance & sharpening, heat treat, etc. It was a worthwhile endeavour on your part & time well spent for anyone watching. Cheers.
This channel is such a gem. Keep up the good work Pete 👍
Great to see you revisiting the basics. Thanks!
You bet!
"budget steels" shows how spoiled we are these days.
100 years ago people would kill for those steels
People will laugh at the steels we have today a 100 years from now.
Imagine the bronze age
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Great vid as always. Nice to see some budget steels being compared for once and look forward to seeing bd1 vs bd1n! The latter is one of my favorite non powdered steels along with vg10. Some aus 10 would be interesting also. Cheers!
One of my most favorite knives ever was the Spyderco Military in CPM D2.
I had that edge scary thin, cut like a monster. The CPM process tames the beast and makes it a crazy good slicer.
Bohler does it now with K110.. it’s just D2 done better.
Thanks very much for the work you put in to bring us these type of videos.
I love Bricky! I had a couple of Buck 420HC knives for years, without complaint. Only in the last few years did I even know there was anything better. I’m 54 years old and have been collecting knives for 46 years.
Pete, thanks so much for all the hard work you do for us! It really means a lot...
Bd1 testing would be great!! I've fallen back in love with my plain jane manix 2
I think the 14C28N got a bit of a disadvantage because of the blade of the metamorph. It doesn't have the height of the other blades so not as much taper down. CJRB does a good heat treat on their D2. Cold steel does Aus8 and Aus10 very well.
Enjoyed the cut off. I still like 14C28N over D2 mainly for rust resistance plus it cuts close enough to D2 and is easier to get a svreaming edge on.
For a guy that talks to rocks, you sure do keep me glued to your videos!!!!! 😄👍
Confirmed how I felt about those steels from my experiences. Love me some D2. North Texas. No humidity. Never had D2 rust on me at all
Alright , somebody testing budget steels! OK not just "somebody" but the guy with the knife lab & his masonary sidekick ! Steels everyone can afford to choose from.
Lol as soon as you said "garage" I thought of that scene from the Simpsons. Excellent as always Pete
Your channel is a lot of fun. I find your geek out content relaxing. I like 12C27 and it keeps a very sharp edge with touch ups. I also really like the Civivvi in 9CR18MOV under appreciated. Close to D2 and more stainless. I like my Bucks.
One more thing, I’ve heard that Kershaw also has a great heat treat on it’s 420 similar to Buck’s Paul Bos heat treat. Has that been your experience just out of curiosity? Thanks!
Wow that crjb performed really well. I forgot the channel, but that particular knife underperformed. I think 14c28n is a razor blade steel. It performs good as well. Thanks Pete
Nice to see the 14c28n do so well, I was honestly kinda surprised actually. My main edc I've been carrying for the last few years is in that steel and I've always thought it doesn't hold a great edge for very long, but then again I do use it pretty hard. On the plus side though, it never chips and it never rusts no matter what I get on it and it's very eazy to sharpen.
Nice! Just bought an Esee Avispa D2 steel so thank u for making me happy 😃 👍🏼
nice one uncle pete, great video that'd be very useful to people looking for their first good knife.
New to the channel. Drawn in by the knife content but subbed for the AMAZING game music and beautiful doggos. Nice work dude!
thankyou muchly and warm welcomes!
Thanks for the excellent comparison test you made with limited resources but with a very practical approach. It puts the different blade materials into perspective.
Yet I have one suggestion for you: Maybe you would like to make an additional video of a regular cutter knife with replaceable snap-off blades performing the exact same test. Although without sharpening obviously.
Those snap-off blades are usually made of SK5 carbon steel. And since most people have already used them, it would add another point of reference to your comparison, to which most people could relate to from their personal experience.
Just a suggestion. But would love to see the result.
Cheers
Interesting, amusing and useful. A great Bro video, Randy would be proud.
I love D2. My local walmart's sell the camillus horizon a really nicely well made decent size ball bearing frame lock deep carry clip D2 knife for only $19.97 at least here in Texas. It used to cost $17.97 but inflation jacked it up by $2.
But still it's a D2 knife that is shockingly well made for under $20 and it's not small. Can easily full hand it. Bit heavy but it's a frame lock. Blade holds such a good edge but it does take me longer to sharpen it. I love how D2 can be had for under $20.
I bet they could make a cheaper $10 with a much thinner and lower height blade and a cheaper liner lock and plastic handle construction with nylon or bronze bushings.
One metric that I think should be included in these tests is the length of time it took to sharpen by hand. I find that 440C is the easiest to sharpen while holding a decent edge for an acceptable amount of time. I have had super steel knives that held a good edge twice as long, but took ten times as long to sharpen. They just aren't as worth it on the work scale unless you have mechanised sharpening.
Hey I am a hobby knife maker and I have that Real Steel Metamorph in 14n28, and it has a terrible heat treat, super soft, it's holds an edge but if it would be a little harder and tempered in lower temps the edge retention would be even better. Just my 2ct. Great video man.
Have you considered creating testing methods to test rust resistance and toughness. It woul be pretty useful and interesting if you could test those aspects of blade steels and combine it with your edge testing. I can't imagine it being fun to do (or even how you would do it without ruining your knives). I just selfishly like to see you do all the hard work and get the info I need from a honest source (i.e your videos). Many other channels just reference your tests, so I think you have really created a niche for yourself. And whats greater than doing something you like, knowing other people enjoy it and benifit from it? So end of long comment: thanks for the hard work! It is of value.
Excellent comparison, thx! Yeah, even the 'cheaper' knife steels like AUS 8 and the 440 stainless steels are actually pretty decent with proper heat treating, and they're essentially the same steel that your grand daddy probably used in his Gillette razor, back when stainless was first invented in the 1920's.
Thanks for working so hard in your car hole to bring us answers!
14c28n is definitely my favorite budget steel, ive always gotten pretty solid performance from it.
I like it also. It is similar to vg10. I personally don’t like D2 steel.
@@DamionJR4923 why not?
Money Mark It rusts pretty easily. I would rather have a straight carbon steel (1095, O1, Mora’s carbon steel, A2 or similar). It can be a pain to sharpen. It doesn’t keep a razor edge very well. It keeps a tooth edge for a while. Overall I would rather have a stainless steel pocket knife and a tougher less chippy steel for a fixed blade. I have a pretty limited use of it but didn’t like it enough to want more of it. There are so many options now. So I generally choose not to get D2.
@@DamionJR4923 14c28n shouldnt be rusting very readily, ive noticed surface rust on plenty of steels but thats not one ive ever had an issue with.
Matt Tripp no D2 steel. I like 14c28n sharpens real easy. Pretty rust resistant fairly tough.
Nice test Pete! Curious how N690 fits in to the mix. Seeing a bunch of budget knives with it. Thanks for sharing!
Great vid as always Pete. Appreciate your feedback and effort.😊👍
I'm a big fan of 14c28n, in terms of its combination of toughness, edge retention and corrosion resistance it's very difficult to beat, not only in the budget steel range but even compared to powdered steels
It is that tiny nitrogen content as nitrogen steels seem to have good abrasion resistance without being brittle.
see my comment above re: TwoSun and 520 cuts??
Sorry guys sorry if the cost 420 Buck is dog shit will never get sharp no matter what you do so any other characteristic is pointless
That brick part def earned my follow!
CZcams has led me back to the first video I watched of yours apparently lol. Still great as always
I like that you use a sharpie on the blades - a reminder that these are just tools and not some holy object that must not be sullied.
Nice video. I have a QSP Parrot. Their 440C seems on par with Ganzo's. Watching 420HC with a good heat treatment outperform 440C with an iffy heat treatment is a good teaching moment. I know your arm is tired but I'd love to have Kizer's Acuto 440 and 9Cr18Mov from Civivi or Real Steel on the budget table.
Why not the d2
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Please include also in future test a Mora knive. I'm really keen how a sandvik still is gonna hold the edge. Nice music - almost like Amiga or other 8-bit computers 😀👍
Always good to see some tests.
Edge retention is such a complex topic. Heat treatment is quite important and how you plan to use the knife too.
D2 is rich in carbides so it probably has the best abrasion resistance from the lot but also has the lowest impact resistance.
8Cr13 MoV is usually has bad heat treatment, way too soft. Spyderco is the only brand I know that optimizes it at 60-61HRC.
14C28N most of the times is not optimized. It can have a target hardness of 62-63HRC but usually we get 60HRC or below.
420HC, 8Cr13 and 14C28N have few carbides so they may not perform well on high abrasion tests like rope cutting but they have high impact resistance and edge stability that may allow sharper angle or thinner blade.
Which steel is the best will depend on how you plan to use the knife.
For Kitchen use we don't have to deal with high abrasive materials so clean steel with high apex stability like AEB-L on 63-64HRC sounds like a beast.
EDC knives that will be used with impact I would also go for clean steel.
High abrasion tasks and no impact D2 and powder metallurgy wins for sure.
Would would carving be abrasion
@@otpays8552 I don't carve wood but I have and idea of how the edge will wear out.
Wood has some silica but not too much, also wood is hard material that will induce mechanical fatigue. Certainly both abrasion and fatique will impact durability, the question is how much each will contribute.
I read a study on edge durability for kitchen use comparing wooden board or a plastic one, there was no significant difference. Plastic has no abrasive in it so considering the study was well made, the major factor for edge loss is roling or chipping on both cutting boards.
Another example, Gabe from the Home Slice did 1000 chops on a wood block with a clean steel machete and it was still shaving hair after it. Not a controled test but certainly an impressive durability for a clean steel on wood.
For carving I would prioritize clean steels with high hardness and decent toughness. My bet on great choices would be 13C26 on 63-64HRC, 80CrV2 on 63 HRC or Magnacut on 63HRC. These are just some examples but most steels above 60 HRC that are not brittle should do fine.
Wood carving also has some specific sharpening tips. Aggressive toothy edge is not helpfull since you are push cuting. Polished edge will cut better and last longer. Also make sure you dont have foil burr so finish edge leading on an a fine stone and do only a couple passes on loaded pasted strops.
I think the old Benchmade 710 was the first popular knife with D2. Years ago, it was one of its big selling points
8:43 that had me laughing pretty hard. Keep up the great videos!
New to the channel, loved the bit about Bootes void.
I for one welcome our new brick overlords. All will be brick!
As a trusted TV personality?
That last shot with one arm looking way bigger than the other made me laugh.
G'day, eh. Pete, I enjoy all of your videos for their entertainment value and the steel knowledge they impart. Steels are my passion and I would like to have knives in every steel type, but that won't happen. I did pick up a Spyderco Para 3 in SPY27 recently and would love to see your cut test on that steel. I am most curious as to where in your list it will fit.
I like your knife test procedure, though I haven't done it myself but because I feel it is something that anybody could duplicate is they chose to do so. Cutting rope is a very common task and an easy one to relate to. Thanks for your efforts over the years.
thanks man! ive got a manix on the preorder in spy27 myself!
sandvik 12c27, cold steel aus 8 and cold steel aus 10. I feel cold steel dials in their heat treat. Great steel test video.
Yes. And Cold Steel’s steels perform superbly in all the cut tests I have seen.
I agree Brandon, i would use a Cold Steel in Aus 8 cuz they really know how to get the most out of that steel. Their heat treat is exceptional.
Quality video, humor, quirk, experience and science 👍🙏 edit ✍️ I think ya best I’ve watched 10/10
Nice job mate. Thanks for the review
Oh man...FF5 into music! My second time watching a video of yours, and FF starting both videos! Instant win.
That was a lot of work! Thanks for the video : )
Great video man I always love the music!
Weird but objective knife testing! Subscribed! 420HC should be the benchmark. Not the greatest but gets the job done which is the point. Scrape paint, cut carpet, sharpen, take deer hunting, make peanut butter sandwiches camping…the Buck 110 has done it all!
I second this Buck 110 420hc. Paul Bose treatment. cuts everything not the wallet
Great test and video!
I have a D2 STRIDER karambit, nightmare to sharpen so I gave up trying to carry it since its not as sharp as I want. I carry a Spyderco Endura 4 Emerson and CRKT M16 Big Dog
I had an old spyderco with aus8 and it was one of my favorite all around knives. Not sure if they heat treated it but I liked it better than even some nitro-v boars I have.
Well, I put my money on D2 and 14C28N. Great vids, as always.
I have a Trend folding diamond stone and I dip it in a jug of hot water with a drop of washing up liquid. Seems to work just fine for lapping.
Always nice to see some classic knife lab content. But where's the intro?
There's more to steel than carbon content which he seems to mention repeatedly but glad he puts it to the test. I'd take a "low end" with an exceptional heat treat over "high end" steel with a bad heat treatment. I'm partial to 14C28 or D2 depending on the application.
Thanks for doing this video- its a ton of work!
I always considered 14c to be higher tier than the rest, with 12c being more entry level budget (mora, victorinox, and opinel) but maybe those steels are BELOW budget. (I still love them haha)
13c is aeb-l which i also feel like is in a higher tier- people Lloovvee their aebl-
But how you tier steels is subjective (and i enjoyed your tier list) based on what you want in a steel, and i was actually impressed with 14c's performance here!
Hey, in your experience, are the dozier kabar knives in D2 superior to all other d2 knives like boss 420?
I love my Boker Kalishnikov Sub D2 auto. It's a great cheap auto with an awesome opening snap that rivals my Protech Runt Auto. You can also buy parts for the Sub at BladeOps. D2 steel is what they cut other steels with. It's as hard as petrified poop and holds an edge forever. The Sub was like $45. and has become my EDC for almost a year now. BTW, I had a Boker AUS-8 Kalishnikov Mini Tanto that SUCKED so bad, I gave it to my nephew for his first auto. Felt like one of those toy comb switchblades. The Sub is rock solid.
Do not tell Bricky to shut up. He is wiser than anyone!
i hope you make abother video like this
i have a hobby of seeing d2 win over all the other budgets
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What angle knife sharpening system are you using in this video? Thank you.
An interesting follow up would be how easy it is getting it back to the same sharpness it had at the start of the test.
Vg10, 154cm, ats-34, and n690 are all the same family of steel with name changes to differentiate where they come from. This line of steel was designed to be a direct upgrade to 440c in almost every way.
Bricky's attitude reminds me of Skippy from the Expeditionary Force book series.
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How thin behind the edge is that cjrb? That thick boy Doizer d2 looks like it would run circles around it at the same bte thickness.
Thanks for all you do, your tests are still a benchmark for me. Have you tried cold steels aus10? Harry
yeah! theres a video on it too: czcams.com/video/2CoQnIyv-eE/video.html
hope it helps! its good stuf
Any chance to get a list of the knives tested attached to the video ?
Well in my country the D2 and 14c28n knives are 2 to 2.5 times more expensive than the other listed steels , so I think they performed just about right . Although i am a bit surprised 440c underperformed like that .
I for one welcome our new brick overlords.
Gotta wonder if that 440c heat treatment was done by the same folks who do the two sun S90v.
14c28n is criminally underrated/underused. Cuts almost as long as D2, very tough for a stainless and it's very corrosion resistant. Not h1/lc200n/vanax level rust proof, but in the next tier.
Agreed
An another great review, thanks mate.
Aren't most of your other test done at 20 degrees. At first it was a little confusing when I compared these results to the large listing of your previous test. Could you elaborate on the differences between angles and higher polished edges?
great job ,always interesting and entertaining
Excellent! Thanks, Pete!
how is this the perfect youtube channel? Just.... how
Great video, but I have to ask if the opening music is from one of the earlier Final Fantasy games?
Does d2 or k110 really rust that easily?
Can it be a edc without be carrying around oil for it or what...?
Wow, 420HC outperforming 440C, now that's the difference an average versus great heat treatment makes, never mind a bad heat treatment which can make any steel into play dough.
Hi I'm not sure if you know this one on the kme system if you want a more accurate angle you can flip the rod gide upside down. Hope you find this helpful
Just curious how this compares to your earlier videos and progress with sharpening methods being consistent? In one summary video 420hc was dead last at 20 cuts as i expected it to be in the lineup of all steels ever tested or something. But D2 did 80 if i remember. So now both numbers are different, probably the thin edge and better than worksharp sharpening, which is all valuable data as well! Also not knowing the hardness of each is one variable that would be nice to know.it would be cool to see manufacturer vs each other but same steel. Buck 420hc vs gerber vs leatherman vs kershaw or something. Anyways i watched this to see if i wanted the composite kershaw or not but now i kinda just want three leeks, the cf in cpm154, a 14c28n one and the d2
What do you do with all the genuine hand shredded rope?
I've had a couple knives in d2 that were fantastic, just hit them with the occasional strop which I enjoy. And I once had a 440c that I brought to hair wittling sharp, for whatever that's worth.
Was that Emerson Lake and Palmer music I heard? Anybody know the name of the piece?
Queen on their day went to D2 for all of their slip joints
Excellent heat treat and held an edge very well
I have D2 on a Kershaw, really happy with it. I have not been abusing it. But cutting thing I might not with a nicer knife. Been using it out of my tool box.
I’ve got 25 knives in 440C that I bought in the 1990’s. Relatively cheap. Two big 6mm thick choppers that I paid $65 each for, now are $350 for their equivalent. Pocket knives that cost me $8-$10 back then are now $100+. Some still in packaging. Now I know it was money well spent.
440C was actually originally for ball bearings. That nitrogen in 14C28N really pulling thru here. One of my favorite steels.