When my grandfather had to bail, the plane had started to spin. The force of that would often pin you in place so you'd not be able to move. Him and three others made it out, the last man jumped only holding his parachute pack. Probably through panic as he didnt clip it on. The slipstream ripped it out of his arms and they watched him plummet down with no chute. He made it back and would fly again. His career came to an end when a direct hit took the pilots head off, partially scaled and temporarily blinded (blood) Grandpa. The crash landing left him badly injured but he did recover his sight and was able to walk and live a normal life again some time later. He was mentioned in despatch as having acted quickly and despite his temporary blindness, he was cool and calm during the landing, managing to fly the plane down. Grandpa was 24 years old then. When i was 24, we went flying together and it was awesome especially as he cracked open a beer on landing and said "thank the lord for that" 😅
My grandfather wrote when he was shot down, it felt like forever before his parachute touched ground. He saw the bombers being shot at by FW-190s, tracers, and planes going down. The only sound he heard was wind. My only criticism of this scene.
I read the debriefing report of a Dutch fighter pilot, shot down by the Germans in May 1940. After getting out of the cockpit, he struggled to get his chute to open as he clearly saw the ground approaching at dizzying speed. The moment his parachute opened he immediately hit the ground. Miraculously, he was unscathed. It depends on the ground of course. Much difference when falling into a muddy field as opposed to dry soil or rocky ground.
Actually Egan's plane going down was the catalyst for the 100th's disaster. Althought going down, apparently Egan didn't pass command into another plane and pulled out of the formation. Instead Egan slowed out his plane and tried a controlled descent... and since he was stil the flight leader, the rest of the bomber group automatically followed slow and down, consequently becoming an easy prey for the germans fighters. No idea if it was just an honest mistake, fog of war or what, but this screwed up his bomber group.
it's not in this clip but my heart sunk later in the episode when we see a guy falling with a torn chute. He knows what's coming but has such a long wait before he gets there
Possibility of survival.. Won't be pretty but its possible. There is an account of a B17 tail getting blown from the rest of the plane with the tail gunner still inside w no parachute. He survived somehow.
@@jaygonztxThere's at least three stories of a detatched tail landing "safely" (well, not fatally) with the gunner still inside. There was also a bomber that hit the ground nose-first and blew a trapped tail-gunner out safely. Before going down another member of the crew had tried to rescue him desperately, but had to jump. The rescuer didn't survive and the gunner reckoned he'd been spared by God to tell the tale.
John McCain parachuted into Xoan Kiem Lake (Lake of the Restored Sword) in a public park in downtown Hanoi. He struggled with his waterlogged chute for awhile before wading toward the shore, where he was almost torn apart by a crowd of enraged Vietnsmese civilians. It took a squad of enemy MPs to rescue him.
Yes! It's funny, so many people are dogging the CGI on this show. I think the CGI is just fine, and I know and love aviation. What I might quibble about is this freefall. I think it was real. They did the same in BOB when Winters jumped in training. But with Egan's freefall, my quibble is that his arch and stability in his freefall would not have been so smooth. In other words, the stunt actor was TOO good in his freefall skills.
@@TailspinMedia In my grandfather's memoirs about his experience during WWII (he fought for Germany) he wrote that their inexperienced MG-42 gunner opened fire on a Sherman tank. They all knew how ineffective this was, but their nerves got to them. Since reading that, I never questioned those scenes in "over the top" war movies again.
@@Beezleboob You are right. Also bailing out at the same time was important. Even a second or two difference meant hundreds of yards difference in where you landed, and one was separated and alone in enemy territory. That is why paratroopers leaped out of their transports with speed.
What smooth exits and landing. Hard to suspend disbelief. Even experienced paratroopers can have dismal exits and landings, like bang the sides of plane during exit or get a concussion when landing. I had 2 concussions during my career. It’s risky work even with experience and during controlled exercises.
And there wasn’t at the time parachute training for plane crews and for the vast majority it was 1st time any of them had ever put on one, they only knew to clip it on jump out of their designated escape hatches and pull the cord
My dad knew a man that flew P-47s during the war. He told me he shot down an FW-190 and seeing the pilot bail out. I asked him what happened, and did he shoot the pilot. He said no. The pilot came to the position of attention and saluted him while floating down in his parachute. He said he then saluted the German pilot back and went on his way. He has nothing but respect for the German pilots
There were also rather bad characters, on both sides. On one channel, I watched the tale of a green American fighter pilot, who found himself alone in the skies, chased by an experienced German. At one point, the German flew right alongside him, gave a smart military salute. Then he fell back again and started to blast the living hell out of the hapless American. This went on for some time, the American pilot being surprisingly well at not getting hit. The German flew up alongside him again, saluted again, then left.
@@theinvisibleman2070 Iif the Thunderbolts were flying at high altitude and were jumped by German fighters from behind, the sensible thing was to dive immediately, leaving the interceptors miles behind. As to its maneuverability or lack of, American ace 'Gabby' Gabreski remarked: 'The best way to take evasive action in a Thunderbolt was to undo the straps and run around the cockpit.' And of course it was a very rugged plane thanks also to its radial engine where even an entire cylinder shot out would not stop the engine from keeping the plane in the air.
I’ve done that too. In the preflight instructions they told us not to step off the catwalk because the bomb bay doors wouldn’t hold our weight and we’d fall through.
My grandmother was on the other end of the bombs--a German mother. She would talk about hearing the B-17s long before they hit. She also talked about a bomb hitting and the pressure of his took her brother--blew him from one house to another and smashed him against a wall. Also--from what my mom tells me--my great grandmother and great grandfather were on a Flak-88 team that tried to shoot down bombers. My grandfather was on the Russian Front.
@@philippeteranderl1669 "War is a continuation of politics." - Clausewitz I think, that military personnel around the world knows ALL the sides of their trade. Usually, politicians are civil people, so they are senselessly in heat to send youngsters to die as cannon fodder. So, which is real reason to start wars? Only to pee longer as any other boy brat in the playground?
"in WestPhila, Germany bloody and dazed, on the farmland is where i landed and hid for days, till a couple of guys who were up to no good, started asking questions in the neighborhood. They checked one little barn and boy i was scared and thats how i ended up as a prisoner in the Stalag."
Most Luftwaffe pilots are gentlemen and professionals detesting such acts as shooting men in parachutes. One officer even threatened to shoot any of his pilots who dared such acts. I know of at least one case it did happen. Major Richard Peterson of the 357th Fighter Group, flying P-51D Mustangs, is on escort duty into Germany. They are jumped by fighters and flak. Bombers start to fall and men bail out. To Peterson's horror, he sees a Bf-109 pilot going after, and shooting, men in their chutes. Enraged Peterson chases after the 109, deliberately aiming for disabling shots. He wanted that Luftwaffe pilot to bail. Which he did. Hanging there in his chute, like his many victims, the Luftwaffe pilot was now helpless. Peterson came back around, lined up his guns, and emptied them into this murderer. "So, that was the end of that," concluded Peterson.
Not very good, from veteran testimonies and artifacts (historical documents), most prisoner of war in German captivity ate mostly watery cabbage soup and black bread, with the occasionally rare potatoes, turnips, or horse meat. This was often supplemented by Red Cross aid packages and trading with the guards or growing your own food but many of the former POWs often complained about the lack of food.
@@jeffchan954 German soldiers on the front lines ate about the same crap at that point in the war. Everyone on the continent was more or less starving. A German friend of mine's grandmother talked about eating those exact same things and being hungry constantly.
I wouldn’t doubt there were travesty’s on both sides. The problem is you always have un honorable people on both sides. Hopefully it was minimal. Like they say Karma is a bitch.
Many fighter pilots also emptied a few rounds near a downed pilot so their gun cameras would activate and they could have their "kills" confirmed once they were back on the ground. To the enemy pilot in the parachute this would certainly look like they were trying to shoot you, but often that was not the case. Both US and German airmen utilized this tactic as well.
@@jeffchan954 That's what my uncle said : Mostly large pots of soup filled with rotten turnups. Said everyone in the camp was starving : He didn't detest or hold hatred towards the Germans, he knew they didn't have any food anyway, and knew we were winning the war. He said they DID get Red Cross aid packaged, however his camp (Baden-Baden) none of the Americans got any. He said out of everyone at the camp, only the Yugoslovians shared the Red Cross Rations with the Americans, no one else.
i would believe more its because activating the gun cam and film the bailed out crew. he not even tries to aim just shot 10-20m next to him in sharp turn. and if a german pilots dont have any witness for his kill, need hard evidences to proof it in report. for example wreckage, captured crews, or short film about the bailing out crew or crashing plane. Report and crediting of an air victory was really bureacratic mess for german pilots...
@@dpmoos3225 'Kills' referred to aircraft shot down. Wether the pilot/crew were killed is immeterial. Though targeting parachuting crew of downed aircraft was looked down upon, it did happen a lot in WWII. I believe IJN and IJA pilots were notorious for it and there was no love lost in the Eastern front.
There’s a incredible new maneuver that breaks the laws of physics called “turning”. I’m guessing the pilots here somehow managed to execute this incredibly complex maneuver
@@CzechImpthey are not Flying straight, they Even said they are falling out of formation and listing heavy due to engine damage. Damn bro Its 2 people explaining you something so simple
They are flying straight, even if they are listing. More importantly, a few moments earlier we see everyone bail out behind the pilots and drop some distance, so how can they suddenly appear with parachutes deployed next to them?! It is (unfortunately) one of many laugh-out-loud moments in this disappointing series. @@Turbulencje
Between 300,000-600,000 German civilians and over 200,000 Japanese civilians were killed by allied bombing during the Second World War, most as a result of raids intentionally targeted against civilians themselves. The campaigns culminated with the dropping of atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
The fire bombing of cities resulted in a huge amount of civilian casualties such as Dresden and Tokyo. Some estimates are over 100,000 killed during just one fire bombing of Tokyo. That's mind-blowing
Bloody ridiculous that one of them was free fall diving, when in reality, he would have just pulled the rip cord 3 seconds after leaving the aircraft as they were instructed to do
If you knew the likelihood of being shot up while dangling under the chute, I think it made sense to wait a lot longer provided there was still some altitude to play with.
@bradenhagen7977 yeah im not sure what he means. Numerous veterans attest to witnessing the shooting of air crews parachuting out of their planes by Nazi fighters.
What's not accurate about it? There are many historical accounts of air crews getting show by Nazi fighters. Are you one of those people that also thinks the Wehrmacht were just brave men fighting for their country that had nothing to do with the war crimes or holocaust?
grandpa crashed a spitfire in the netherlands, didnt parachute, ended up in a swamp and joined the local resistance, not even br*tish so it wasnt his first rodeo. got an another spitfire later for free
0:48 My son Nathen Solly plays Lt John L.Hoerr, the one that pulls the release. MOTA was his first acting role out of university :)
When my grandfather had to bail, the plane had started to spin. The force of that would often pin you in place so you'd not be able to move. Him and three others made it out, the last man jumped only holding his parachute pack. Probably through panic as he didnt clip it on. The slipstream ripped it out of his arms and they watched him plummet down with no chute. He made it back and would fly again. His career came to an end when a direct hit took the pilots head off, partially scaled and temporarily blinded (blood) Grandpa. The crash landing left him badly injured but he did recover his sight and was able to walk and live a normal life again some time later. He was mentioned in despatch as having acted quickly and despite his temporary blindness, he was cool and calm during the landing, managing to fly the plane down. Grandpa was 24 years old then. When i was 24, we went flying together and it was awesome especially as he cracked open a beer on landing and said "thank the lord for that" 😅
Thanks for people like your Grandpa.
My grandfather wrote when he was shot down, it felt like forever before his parachute touched ground. He saw the bombers being shot at by FW-190s, tracers, and planes going down.
The only sound he heard was wind. My only criticism of this scene.
I read the debriefing report of a Dutch fighter pilot, shot down by the Germans in May 1940.
After getting out of the cockpit, he struggled to get his chute to open as he clearly saw the ground approaching at dizzying speed.
The moment his parachute opened he immediately hit the ground. Miraculously, he was unscathed.
It depends on the ground of course. Much difference when falling into a muddy field as opposed to dry soil or rocky ground.
@@AudieHolland I don't think they were taught to PLF either so they could easily injure themselves from improper landing.
Actually Egan's plane going down was the catalyst for the 100th's disaster.
Althought going down, apparently Egan didn't pass command into another plane and pulled out of the formation. Instead Egan slowed out his plane and tried a controlled descent... and since he was stil the flight leader, the rest of the bomber group automatically followed slow and down, consequently becoming an easy prey for the germans fighters.
No idea if it was just an honest mistake, fog of war or what, but this screwed up his bomber group.
A few videos have come up recently on this raid, in all of them it said his radio was shot out.
I'm no expert but I have read extensively around this subject and am a trained pilot myself. I can't imagine they would behave like sheep.
it's not in this clip but my heart sunk later in the episode when we see a guy falling with a torn chute. He knows what's coming but has such a long wait before he gets there
What's the time stamp on that?
@@bradleywoods1999 The timestamp for the point in the episode?
Possibility of survival.. Won't be pretty but its possible. There is an account of a B17 tail getting blown from the rest of the plane with the tail gunner still inside w no parachute. He survived somehow.
@@jaygonztxThere's at least three stories of a detatched tail landing "safely" (well, not fatally) with the gunner still inside.
There was also a bomber that hit the ground nose-first and blew a trapped tail-gunner out safely. Before going down another member of the crew had tried to rescue him desperately, but had to jump. The rescuer didn't survive and the gunner reckoned he'd been spared by God to tell the tale.
@@jaygonztx I bet the tail glided well enough to give him a soft landing.
They surrounded my dad before he touched the ground and spent the rest of the war in Stalag 17b
How was the food?
My grandfather was in stalag 17b as well
John McCain parachuted into Xoan Kiem Lake (Lake of the Restored Sword) in a public park in downtown Hanoi. He struggled with his waterlogged chute for awhile before wading toward the shore, where he was almost torn apart by a crowd of enraged Vietnsmese civilians. It took a squad of enemy MPs to rescue him.
He was hospitalized after the allies liberated the camp for starvation
Food was pretty good. Luftwaffe ran the camps and respected American pilots a great deal.
That was legit free fall.
Yes! It's funny, so many people are dogging the CGI on this show. I think the CGI is just fine, and I know and love aviation. What I might quibble about is this freefall. I think it was real. They did the same in BOB when Winters jumped in training. But with Egan's freefall, my quibble is that his arch and stability in his freefall would not have been so smooth. In other words, the stunt actor was TOO good in his freefall skills.
@@AndrewMAOL exactly what I thought. That stunt actor is probably a real skydiver.
@@petrpindak9213They weren't going to chuck some untrained guy out of a plane in this day and age
The CGI has been roundly criticized by film and TV critics @@AndrewMAOL
@@CzechImp nah, the CGI has been criticized by nostalfags
life and death and you can bet your ass blokes were still like "ladies first, NO U"
I think it's an old naval tradition. Captain of the ship would disembark last. Egan was the senior rank, but it was the copilots original plane.
i believe it. sometimes humor helps you get through the most fucked up times
@@TailspinMedia In my grandfather's memoirs about his experience during WWII (he fought for Germany) he wrote that their inexperienced MG-42 gunner opened fire on a Sherman tank. They all knew how ineffective this was, but their nerves got to them. Since reading that, I never questioned those scenes in "over the top" war movies again.
@@Melior_Traiano So, not a historian?
@@mikhailiagacesa3406 Care to expand on that? You can be more generous with the amounts of words used in your question.
" you go !"
Me ........ " ok cya "
I find it amusing both refusing jump till other goes first.
like hello? Theres no-one at the controls
The aircraft has an auto pilot.
The risk of sudden explosion was a bigger risk.
Just a bit of poetic licence.
Seemed quite stupid to me.
IT happened!
@@Beezleboob You are right. Also bailing out at the same time was important. Even a second or two difference meant hundreds of yards difference in where you landed, and one was separated and alone in enemy territory. That is why paratroopers leaped out of their transports with speed.
What smooth exits and landing. Hard to suspend disbelief. Even experienced paratroopers can have dismal exits and landings, like bang the sides of plane during exit or get a concussion when landing. I had 2 concussions during my career. It’s risky work even with experience and during controlled exercises.
Yeah it seems like they definitely could have hit the bomb bay walls if they jumped wrong position
And there wasn’t at the time parachute training for plane crews and for the vast majority it was 1st time any of them had ever put on one, they only knew to clip it on jump out of their designated escape hatches and pull the cord
I’m still here you sons of bitches!! 😅
Got a ride in one once, couldn't hear for hours
He looks like a trained skydiver. There weren't any back then.
My dad knew a man that flew P-47s during the war. He told me he shot down an FW-190 and seeing the pilot bail out. I asked him what happened, and did he shoot the pilot. He said no. The pilot came to the position of attention and saluted him while floating down in his parachute. He said he then saluted the German pilot back and went on his way. He has nothing but respect for the German pilots
😂
There were also rather bad characters, on both sides.
On one channel, I watched the tale of a green American fighter pilot, who found himself alone in the skies, chased by an experienced German.
At one point, the German flew right alongside him, gave a smart military salute.
Then he fell back again and started to blast the living hell out of the hapless American.
This went on for some time, the American pilot being surprisingly well at not getting hit.
The German flew up alongside him again, saluted again, then left.
@@theinvisibleman2070 Iif the Thunderbolts were flying at high altitude and were jumped by German fighters from behind, the sensible thing was to dive immediately, leaving the interceptors miles behind.
As to its maneuverability or lack of, American ace 'Gabby' Gabreski remarked:
'The best way to take evasive action in a Thunderbolt was to undo the straps and run around the cockpit.'
And of course it was a very rugged plane thanks also to its radial engine where even an entire cylinder shot out would not stop the engine from keeping the plane in the air.
Love this series!!
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they smashed it!
Insane
The way that guy landed he would've broken his legs
I've walked through the bombay of a B17 in flight, scary enough. I can't imagine trying to jump from it
I’ve done that too. In the preflight instructions they told us not to step off the catwalk because the bomb bay doors wouldn’t hold our weight and we’d fall through.
Was surprised Hambone survived
Mooie pararol 2.19 alleen iets meer je benen bijelkaar houden
My grandmother was on the other end of the bombs--a German mother. She would talk about hearing the B-17s long before they hit. She also talked about a bomb hitting and the pressure of his took her brother--blew him from one house to another and smashed him against a wall. Also--from what my mom tells me--my great grandmother and great grandfather were on a Flak-88 team that tried to shoot down bombers. My grandfather was on the Russian Front.
Well congratulations, good that ain't me.
I thank them for their service.
Would it be wiser solve problems with other ways than starting a war?
@@esajuhanirintamaki965 So civilians are starting wars now?
@@philippeteranderl1669 "War is a continuation of politics." - Clausewitz
I think, that military personnel around the world knows ALL the sides of their trade. Usually, politicians are civil people, so they are senselessly in heat to send youngsters to die as cannon fodder.
So, which is real reason to start wars? Only to pee longer as any other boy brat in the playground?
"in WestPhila, Germany bloody and dazed, on the farmland is where i landed and hid for days, till a couple of guys who were up to no good, started asking questions in the neighborhood. They checked one little barn and boy i was scared and thats how i ended up as a prisoner in the Stalag."
Wow! So that was you IRL?
@@dudeonyoutube no we didn't get over to Ireland
We’re not sinking! We’re Craaaaashing!
MOre than a minute and a half to evacuate - way way way too long.
надеюсь до концлагеря не доживет.
No thats a bad design of a door hatch. Why even make a door handle that long?
Easier to grab in an emergency the bigger it is
Welcome to Germany
Most Luftwaffe pilots are gentlemen and professionals detesting such acts as shooting men in parachutes. One officer even threatened to shoot any of his pilots who dared such acts. I know of at least one case it did happen.
Major Richard Peterson of the 357th Fighter Group, flying P-51D Mustangs, is on escort duty into Germany. They are jumped by fighters and flak. Bombers start to fall and men bail out. To Peterson's horror, he sees a Bf-109 pilot going after, and shooting, men in their chutes. Enraged Peterson chases after the 109, deliberately aiming for disabling shots. He wanted that Luftwaffe pilot to bail. Which he did. Hanging there in his chute, like his many victims, the Luftwaffe pilot was now helpless. Peterson came back around, lined up his guns, and emptied them into this murderer. "So, that was the end of that," concluded Peterson.
Not very good, from veteran testimonies and artifacts (historical documents), most prisoner of war in German captivity ate mostly watery cabbage soup and black bread, with the occasionally rare potatoes, turnips, or horse meat. This was often supplemented by Red Cross aid packages and trading with the guards or growing your own food but many of the former POWs often complained about the lack of food.
@@jeffchan954 German soldiers on the front lines ate about the same crap at that point in the war. Everyone on the continent was more or less starving. A German friend of mine's grandmother talked about eating those exact same things and being hungry constantly.
I wouldn’t doubt there were travesty’s on both sides. The problem is you always have un honorable people on both sides. Hopefully it was minimal. Like they say Karma is a bitch.
Many fighter pilots also emptied a few rounds near a downed pilot so their gun cameras would activate and they could have their "kills" confirmed once they were back on the ground. To the enemy pilot in the parachute this would certainly look like they were trying to shoot you, but often that was not the case. Both US and German airmen utilized this tactic as well.
@@jeffchan954 That's what my uncle said : Mostly large pots of soup filled with rotten turnups. Said everyone in the camp was starving : He didn't detest or hold hatred towards the Germans, he knew they didn't have any food anyway, and knew we were winning the war.
He said they DID get Red Cross aid packaged, however his camp (Baden-Baden) none of the Americans got any. He said out of everyone at the camp, only the Yugoslovians shared the Red Cross Rations with the Americans, no one else.
Was that fighter pilot seriously about to commit a war crime?
i would believe more its because activating the gun cam and film the bailed out crew. he not even tries to aim just shot 10-20m next to him in sharp turn. and if a german pilots dont have any witness for his kill, need hard evidences to proof it in report. for example wreckage, captured crews, or short film about the bailing out crew or crashing plane. Report and crediting of an air victory was really bureacratic mess for german pilots...
@@ML-ev3ks they had many aces with more than 100 kills. I dont think claiming a kill was such a huge issue.
@@dpmoos3225 'Kills' referred to aircraft shot down. Wether the pilot/crew were killed is immeterial.
Though targeting parachuting crew of downed aircraft was looked down upon, it did happen a lot in WWII. I believe IJN and IJA pilots were notorious for it and there was no love lost in the Eastern front.
Who knows, you had twats at every side so he might be one of "those"
@@dpmoos3225claiming a heavy bomber kill was a pretty big deal
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01:04 The pilots at the front can see the men behind them bale out?! Did they leap forward like Superman?!
There’s a incredible new maneuver that breaks the laws of physics called “turning”. I’m guessing the pilots here somehow managed to execute this incredibly complex maneuver
Except they are not turning - they are flying straight!@@MOMAZOSPATO
@@CzechImpthey are not Flying straight, they Even said they are falling out of formation and listing heavy due to engine damage. Damn bro Its 2 people explaining you something so simple
They are flying straight, even if they are listing.
More importantly, a few moments earlier we see everyone bail out behind the pilots and drop some distance, so how can they suddenly appear with parachutes deployed next to them?!
It is (unfortunately) one of many laugh-out-loud moments in this disappointing series. @@Turbulencje
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Between 300,000-600,000 German civilians and over 200,000 Japanese civilians were killed by allied bombing during the Second World War, most as a result of raids intentionally targeted against civilians themselves. The campaigns culminated with the dropping of atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Sehr gut.
The fire bombing of cities resulted in a huge amount of civilian casualties such as Dresden and Tokyo.
Some estimates are over 100,000 killed during just one fire bombing of Tokyo. That's mind-blowing
Firebombing killed far more than nukes or explosive bombs.
Good deal
So rather criminale than warriors
Bloody ridiculous that one of them was free fall diving, when in reality, he would have just pulled the rip cord 3 seconds after leaving the aircraft as they were instructed to do
If you knew the likelihood of being shot up while dangling under the chute, I think it made sense to wait a lot longer provided there was still some altitude to play with.
Masters of air Bailing hahahahahahaha some Masters
The scene is way too long. Trim it.
german army in the past 41-45 and ukraine army now.... Time goes by, nothing changes.
Sure thing bud
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Disappointing the show really had to degrade the enemy like that. Not even accurate
The historical shooting of aircrews in parachutes is degrading?
@bradenhagen7977 yeah im not sure what he means. Numerous veterans attest to witnessing the shooting of air crews parachuting out of their planes by Nazi fighters.
What's not accurate about it? There are many historical accounts of air crews getting show by Nazi fighters. Are you one of those people that also thinks the Wehrmacht were just brave men fighting for their country that had nothing to do with the war crimes or holocaust?
have you read anything about WW2?
guessing that;s a no
@@frijolesjenkins6656 yep, even the japanese took pot shots at parachuting men
grandpa crashed a spitfire in the netherlands, didnt parachute, ended up in a swamp and joined the local resistance, not even br*tish so it wasnt his first rodeo. got an another spitfire later for free
大脱走ていう映画が昔あったけど、ドイツが捕虜を虐待しなかったのはイギリスにドイツ空軍捕虜が多数いたから。
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quitters . they couldda fought it out