Sonic Boom - Did You Know Gaming? Feat. JonTron
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In this episode we take a look at some facts, secrets, and history of Sonic Boom. Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric is a 2014 action-adventure game published by Sega and developed by Big Red Button for the Wii U. Rise of Lyric had a very negative reception, and was heavily criticized for its numerous glitches, camera system, controls, combat, story, dialogue, and character development. The game did not perform well commercially, with the Wii U and 3DS Sonic Boom games only selling 620,000 copies as of May 2015.
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Did you know? The TV show is infinitely better than the actual game.
+WilliamT S But infinity times zero doesn't work mathematically
+WilliamT S Because that's exactly what Rise of Lyric is meant to tie to
***** I don't blame you for hating it. It's not always the best, but it has its moments. Still, I'd take TV Boom over TTGo any day of the week.
No arguments there. With CN beginning to lately make a habit of making animations that once again range from passable, okay, or amazing to some degree again there's really no real excuse for stuff like a bad attempt at a parody like TTG--essentially their new Johnny Test--or the PPG reboot that takes too much after 80s cartoons in that it was only made to sell toys; with the toys being made months in advance and entire episodes having to be built around the toys to warrant their existing.
+Nakumare Except For The New PPG, HEUGH!!!
All of this makes me feel sorry for the dev team
so much lost potential
Well that's how video game development works. :/ Some developers have freedom and time and some don't. It costs money and publishers try to save money by giving them a certain window of time to finish the product. BigRedButton needs to create a game on their own and prove they can make really good games.
Definitely agreed, Maybe they could even go indie
Sonic ia dead
It isn't the developers' faults. I find that it's mainly Sega's.
The problem with Sega, in my opinion, is that they tend to bring up projects that are WAY too big for their developers or that the higher ups tend to make massive changes in the development cycle halfway through due to some offhand decision making. Those points, and Sega's inconsistent emphasis on ideas, are what leads to most of the very bad publicity of their games, I feel.
Sonic: OH SHIIIIIIOOOT
That wuz funny
Jalen TheNonWeeboo I think the VA was thinking OH WAIT I CAN’T CURSE AHHH!
Jalen TheNonWeeboo That’s what I do when I’m around little kids. Can’t swear in front of them. 🤣
Oh, now i see what he was talking about when he was about to say shiiii-oooooooot!
So...another bad sonic game was caused because of bad development.
You never learn do you Sega?
Josh Legacy well Sega does what Nintendon't (exactly why that slogan worked AGAINST them lol)
glitch hunter I love that slogan for how it’s worked both for and against Sega
Let's not forget about the plenty of other game developers. Ubisoft? Bethesda? Gearbox?
Bad? or rushed?
Also, my thought on these is (as a hobby game dev, and full time software engineer) is that like all projects, software based or otherwise, you never have the time, nor the money to do everything; error handling on extremely rare events, testing on all areas (regression testing) each revision etc.
It generally comes down to:
1. will *most* people be able to enjoy and finish the game without having too many issues.
OR
2. Can we as a company get away with the product in it's current state?...
Both are not developer wants, they are project management and business decisions... Sad, but in my eyes, and over the last 15 years, I'd have to say it's true.
Sega learned not to rush games after sonic 06
As a programmer I feel very sorry for the developers. Just imagine, you have pitched the game three times and have been rejected, then you are given an extremely taxing engine and very slow hardware... Anyone who is even remotely interested in gamedev probably knows how hard it is in general...
It's stuff like this that makes me not want to get a triple A publisher to publish my ideas as games.
+EAPvideoz Good thing indie development is big now.
+rstar0000 Yeah, this company tried really REALLY hard to make a good game. 6 days a week, people quitting because of the intense deadlines? It's not Red Button's fault, it's Sega's fault for trying to promise Nintendo so many games with not enough time!
***** They had to disband after that? Ouch.
+rstar0000 As a student in animation in games and film, this stuff is more difficult than some people think. Some people think they just press a few keys and boom, a game is made.
Jon was a Game Grump
The Game Grumps played Sonic Boom
It's snowing on Mt. Fuji
+Xandalph Were you trying to make a haiku?
Fennekchu yes sir
Xandalph Good job, except the number of syllables in order in 5-7-5 instead of 5-7-7. Here's what you could've done:
Jon was a Game Grump
The Game Grumps played Sonic Boom
Snow on Mt. Fuji
Fennekchu you clearly are not well versed in Grump knowledge.
"Looks like we have a 5-7-7 situation over here"
+Xandalph Someone alert the police!
Jon Tron talking about sonic while the Game Grumps footage plays
I was about to comment that
Same lol
+VCSGaming I don't think that applies...
Arin's tear drop I beg your pardon?
I think this is closest well ever get to a reunion with them
GameGrumps footage in a Jontron-voiced video about a shitty sonic game. This is as close to closure as we will be getting.
Are you sure it was footage from GG? Also Jon and Arin were in a video together on Jon's channel, I think that is supposed to be a form of closure.
Crossroad TG It says that the footage is from GG at the bottom-right corner when talking about the Knuckles glitch. Also, and this is my bad for not specifying, I meant closure on the '06 series specifically.
From your pfp I see you're a man of class
When a patch for a game is over one gig in size it's usually a sign of, "Yo we messed up on 'dis."
+Chadtronic
Exactly.
CHAD!
CHERTRANIC
Wait Chad ? You're here !
+monster25man That wasn't a patch though. That was the remaining game data.
You guys really pissed em' off. - Knuckles 2014
OOH SHIIIIIIIIOOOT!
Pissed is a swear word?
You know I actually wouldn't be surprised if Sonic actually said "Shit!" after seeing how bad this game is! XD
Yes, actually any word used in a "swearing" fashion can be a "swear" word. In the case of pissed it's more so because it's vulgar.
I won't be surprised if this was a comment by the developers to Sega when they had to port the game to the Wii U, complete with all the glitches and trouble that came with it.
"Pissed him off" is considered swearing in English? Isn't it a very common term used in family friendly sitcoms and whatnot?
Here in America it's not that bad of a word but in England it's pretty bad apparently.
The Federal Communications Commission has "piss" banned from on-the-air TV along with 6 other words.
“Pissed” is this weird grey-area word. Like, it’s probably inappropriate to use in a kids game or around young children, but a lot of my teachers in high school used it and never got in trouble for it, like they would for other swear words.
I know. Apparently, "crap" is as well.
@@TheRealBlazingDiamond Crap is considered a mild swear. Not as bad as damn or hell or piss, but just a mild swear.
It really angers me how until this fucking video, people were constantly blaming BRB for the mess the Boom turned out to be. Rise of Lyric was NEVER supposed to be on the Wii U in the first place. It was a game that was built specifically for next gen consoles and PC. And because Sega sprung that deal on the game's dev team, they had little to no time to try and make a suitable engine that the Wii U could actually run. I better that if Rise of Lyric had stayed on the next gen consoles like originally intended, it would have been a pretty decent game.
It's literally Sonic 06 all over again. Sega rushed Sonic Team to get a Sonic game out for the holidays because they're a bunch of impatient fucks. And now, Sega repeated the same mistake they 8 years prior with rushing BRB to get the game for the holidays. Sega, seriously. Let your fucking dev teams finish your games so we can get a good Sonic again. The last 4 years almost have been nothing but mediocrity.
After the 25th anniversary game, Sonic really needs a break. Revitalize the other franchises you have. You have so many people wanting a new NiGHTS game, Crazy Taxi game, etc. So many games that people want a new installment of. You should probably listen to them Sega and give Sonic a break.
I feel you... Electronic Arts got away with the same shit with Mass Effect 3's ending, yet people were pissed at Bioware for having such a half-assed ending. To some people, it's simply easier to point the finger at the developer since they're the ones frantically trying to pull themselves throughout a rushed and troubled development cycle _which was caused by the publisher_
I just hope SEGA can redeem themselves for Sonic's 25th anniversary with whatever they have planned for him
Carl Bloke
me too, though with the way SEGA has been treating him for the past 20 years, i dont think they're stopping anytime soon
Exactly. Sega, please for the love of Christ. Let Sonic Team finish the game before releasing it.
5persondude I mean heck why not another collection of Sonic's good Wii games or a Colors 2
Oh no, Jon's talking about Sonic again. _Run for the hills!_
What the _FUCK_ is a Sonic?
SWOOD
+TheLittlestJustin Run to the hiiiiils run for your liiiiifes!
+Dudester100 nice
Holy salamander cuttlefish, man.
+Dudester100 Nice song reference, good to see another Iron Maiden fan.
Player: I thought you worked at Naughty Dog!
Bob Rafei: I cleaned the bathrooms at Naughty Dog.
"No, I cleaned the bathrooms at naughty dog. I was lead developer at LJN Toys."
+hawaiimaui123 He was obviously fired from Naughty Dog for a good reason. >XD
soooooo thats where he got the idea
It wasn't Bob's fault...
#PrayForBob
+Pierre Begley Not everyone is fired. A lot of people in the game industry leave and switch between companies and projects a ton.
Ironic how they put more effort into the show, but not the actual game.
The show was just as bad
Just shows ya they wanted to sell merch with this new design lol, they didn't care about making a good game.
@Olivia 757 Rise of Lyric right?
@Olivia 757 Thanks. I'm pretty sure when they say "Boom" they mean Rise of Lyric even though they're is Shattered Crystal and Fire and Ice. Maybe the Wii U one is what influenced them, similar to Sonic 06.
At least Sonic '06 is tolerable when it works
Sonic Boom doesn't work at all
Sonic 06 was no better. They both didn't work
Sonic 06 had creative level design potential (Kingdom Valley is gorgeous in concept, Wave Ocean's got a nice sunny atmosphere, Aquatic Base is really pristine, etc.), robust and gorgeous music (That was the only thing without fail), and it at least had enough story content to keep someone busy (three stories+finale gives you enough to get through). The story itself needed work but it was still pretty decent... ish.
Also, Shadow was probably at the peak of his character; mature without being a whiny pissbaby and willing to work with others without throwing some huge temper tantrum.
TheChildofAuraReborn the story pissed on Sonic's legacy so it was awful
Carl Bloke But how could it have pissed on Sonic's legacy if it technically never happened? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
TheChildofAuraReborn true
What the f*ck is a Sonic?
a blue thing.
He's a blue hedgehog
+CraftACrew Robert It apparently rolls around at the speed of sound.
A once great steed, now a dead horse that keeps being beaten
+Andrew Nguyen a dead horse being beaten or a cow being milked within an inch of its damn life
"Nope, not watching this"
Sees JonTron
"WELP, I'M WATCHING THIS!"
+Titus Tucker How sad.
+Titus Tucker Exactly what I thought. I imagine they had Jon do it just because they knew no one would watch it unless it was him.
TheLegless101 lol
Expand Dong Fat
***** because sanic bewm
Did you know? Knuckles no longer flexes his muscles
Probably
That's hard to tell
Did you know? Knuckles now chuckles a lot.
What the knuckles did you just knuckling knuckle about me, you little
knuckle? I’ll have you knuckle I knuckled top of my knuckle in the Knuckles
knuckles & knuckles, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret knuckles on knuckles, and I
have over 300 confirmed knuckles. I am trained in knuckles knuckle and I’m
the strongest knuckle in all of knuckle Island. You are nothing to me but
just another knuckle. I will knuckle you the knuck out with knuckles
the knuck of which has never been knuckled before on knucklious, mark my fucking
knuckles. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the
knuckles? Think again, knuckler. As we knuckle I am knuckling my secret
knuckle of knuckle agents across the knuckled knuckle and your knuckle
signature is being knuckled right now so you better knuckle for the knuckle storm,
knuckle. The knuckle that wipes out the pathetic little knuckle you call
your knuckle. You’re fucking knuckle, knuckle. I can be knuckle, knuckle,
and I can knuckle you in over seven hundred knuckles, and that’s just with my
knuckles. Not only am I extensively trained in knuckled combat, but I
have access to the entire arsenal of K.N.U.C.K.L.E. and I will use it to its full
extent to knuckle your miserable knuckle off my knuckle, you little knuckle. If
only you could have knuckled what unknuckled knuckle your little “knuckly”
knuckle was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your
fucking knuckle . But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the
knuckle , you goddamn knuckle. I will knuckle raw knuckles all over you and
you will drown in it. Knock knock, it's Knuckles.
sega should be in the genis book of world records for longest consecutive streak of poor business decisions.
If sonic generations didn't exist i'd probably agree with you.
I thinl EA would be a competitor for that award.
Konami beats them, but only by a hair.
Yet somehow the companies still exist.
So JonTron was talking over the GameGrumps's footage of the game? Interesting
+Squaldo1 I thought i was the only one who noticed!
Grumpseption!
the plot thickens
all of you abviously dont watch jontron. they are friends, they explained everything in Starcade the final episode
When will you guys stop, Jon left to work on his own stuff ( plus he moved in with his gf ). That is the whole reason why he left, no other reason. They talk on Twitter all the time, Arin was on StarCade, he was there since the beginning, he was Vader, that series started shortly after Jon left GG. Just stop already.
Jon Tron is the only person who should be narrating this 😂 it just fits perfectly
Especially for his previous vids and such. Ahh this was a splendid vid to watch. Sadly - I'd rather been in a future with better sonic games than ever seeing this vid come to past...
During math class, my teacher asked me what a sonic boom was, since we were studying conics. I told him that it was the very bad reboot of the Sonic series, and he completely agreed.
American Ronin hahaha nice
this did not happen
And then the whole class clapped
lol
Not a reboot, a spin off.
"The production of 'Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric' was troubled" YEAH NO FUCKIN SHIT
And the worst part of it all, is that Sega funded the project with lots of dough
in other news: the grass is green the sky is blue and humans breathe oxygen to stay alive
Did you know that humans drink water?
Did you know? In several foreign countries, Sonic Boom is used as a legitimate means of torture.
+randallsage2 man, i wouldnt be surprised...
+randallsage2 So are you saying that the title of this game fits perfectly? xD
I thought they banned that with the Geneva Conventions.
Did you know that if even God him self made a sonic game, with everything everyone ever wanted in a sonic game, people and especially sonic fans would still say it was shit
FACT😦
*****
Any sonic game.
People hate sonic just for the fun of it
It occurs to me that both Sonic 06 AND Sonic Boom would've been good had they been given actual time to work on.
And now I'm sad because we won't hear them swear on the TV series.
Sonic 06 I completely agree 100% that game could have been the greatest Sonic game ever. Sonic Boom however I feel was doomed from the start
I used to think the same thing, but watching ClementJ64's review on it made me think otherwise. The seven parts total up to about 3 and a half hours, but I'd recommend it if you want a really in depth look at the game and why it really doesn't even work in concept.
+Lance Clementi Nah, the story was a fucking joke, the music is the only good thing about Sonic 6.
I seriously cannot comprehend how Sonic fans want a mature story in a Mature world like SA games and S06 when the stories are so laughable and inconsistent.
+animegx45 I wouldn't say good, but it wouldn't have been an awful looking, buggy mess.
Jesus christ the exclusivity deal that fucked over their entire dev cycle just made me fly into a rage. Does SEGA think of this shit before doing it? Did they know that the Wii U has garbage specs and couldn't run the game they were making someone (THAT WASN'T FUCKING SONIC TEAM FOR SOME DAMN REASON) develop?
+NeroChaos because sonic team make good sonic games.... Riiight?
5:11 OOOH SHIIIIIOOOOT!
"Characters can be heard swearing"
"Pissed off"
"Aww shooooooooooooooot"
Your definition of swearing seems to be different then mine
Did you know?
Sonic Boom is trash
The More You Know
Why yes I did know that
Yeah right
halarious and origibal
Julio Mateo No it isn't
+Haas It was more worse than 06
Sega and Nintendo interact like a dysfunctional family.
Omfg - well said. XD - seriously
+ThePumpkin506 Sega is like the crazy homeless man who lives in Nintendo's basement, who Nintendo continues to feed because his shit smells nice enough that people still want to buy it, even though it's shit.
Well they were rivals after all
***** I agree there and I now see what you mean but it seems like Nintendo is restoring the series fans grew up with
***** well not Amiibos alone but it seems to be helping
SONICS ARMS ARE NOT BLUE
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Oh hi, Chris Chan.
"dont call anybody"
Gefreiter Garvie yeah I agree, this is really, REALLY triggering
Gefreiter Garvie 👏👏👏
SHIIIOOOT!
4:12 wait a second.... that looks familiar.... IT WAS THE GAMEGRUPS FOOTAGE, I KNEW IT!
It's weird not hearing Jontron advertise some online service or game subscription
+Whitefright Guy's gotta eat!
JonTron is free to watch, but here's a list of things that aren't free: Food!
+Ian Ritchings (SonicBoom98) gold comment.🌟
+Ian Ritchings (SonicBoom98) Says you! It's raining burgers where I am now.
or yelling uncontrollably.
The production of Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric was troubled? Surely you jest! Such a well polished and intricately crafted game can't have had any issues.
+Antony Taylor At least it wasn't as bad as the rusty nail-covered dildo of a game Sega dared call "Sonic the Hedgehog" a.k.a. it should've been named Sonic Adventures 3 a.k.a. the beginning of the end of Sega.
+mathphysicsnerd It was. Sonic 06 at least mechanically resembled a Sonic game.
+Antony Taylor You are actually true, no joke. I didn't run into and issues honestly
"surely you jest"
Im done reading comments for a while
Oh but why Nick my boy? Why be done with the exchange of commentary for even a fortnight?
you can tell jontron really cares about this
The Jymz he doesn't XD
bendy
You're clearly not experienced with the concept of sarcasm.
that explains everything, i hope they can try again with sonic boom it wasn't there fault under developed console
Is it irony that this video glitched on me while I tried to load it?
No.
This game has the ability to glitch anything it is featured in.
no its coincidental, irony is when the opposite of whats expected happens
That made my day. XD
Irony is Bernie Sanders wanting college free. And then having his wife's college close down, because of lack of funds.
*"What the FUCK is a Sonic?"*
When you realize Jon is actually narrating this O_o
Sonic is a blue hedgehog that doesn't look like a hedgehog!
Snow on mt. Fugi
+Your Next Line is What the FUCK is a Sonic? Huh!?
*Sanic
I was wondering why Sonic Boom was a market failure, guess it's because of the glitches. It's sad that the developers become the victims of unfavourable circumstances, mainly the Nintendo deal. It's not easy switching to an inferior software engine in a short time.
In all honesty, I'd like to see a remake of the games, with the original engines and in a more powerful console that could support it
That game's still at least playable, though, unlike Sonic '06.
So wait, if Sonic Boom had released on the next-gen console it was intended for, would Sonic Boom have been...good?
Pablo Parabovis it would’ve been at least playable if the developers had an idea of what console it was going to be on.
Well, I wish Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric should have been released on Xbox One and PlayStation 4 instead of the Wii U. It is a shame really.
the guy If the original game they had planned which was fully fleshed out would’ve been on that next gen console and wasn’t rushed, yes, it would’ve been good.
@@OILERS084 Let me get this straight. When they say "Boom", that means Rise of Lyric right? I'm just saying because there are the 3DS ones which seems like they're focusing on the Wii U one and I'm tired of that.
Let's face it: even if it didn't undergo production hell (thank you once again for that SEGA) this game would have been a mediocre jak and dexter clone. Tell me I'm not the only one who sees it.
+randomd00d19 It's honestly debatable, actually. Games go through many revisions, even overhauls throughout production. The idea of a slow-paced brawler could have been among many possible ideas the could have went with had they had the time.
Who did it best? Rachet and Clank got my vote.
Both "Ratchet and Clank" and "Jak and Daxter" are wonderful franchises since they knew what they wanted to be. This game was confused since day one. Here's hoping for another Sonic Rush or a game like Generations. (I'd even like another Sonic Adventure as long as it doesn't go full '06 on us.lol)
+randomd00d19 Well said, sadly I am still a major Jak and Daxter fanboy, however I guess it finished a long time ago and at the time I didn't care about Rachet and Clank. Now I converted - Racket and Clank are like the Jak and Daxter 4-9 games I never had..
I was the same. "Dah fuk is a lombax? Do they have sick as eco?" Then I played a few of the games and realized I liked them a lot. Sadly Sonic Boom doesn't have good combat, which might have been enough to glue it everything else together to be an ok game.
This game was a piece of shoooooooooot!
Christ, at the very least you know why... >>
+Mudkip971 The 3DS one wasn't bad at all. Nothing epic or amazing, but fun if not a bit short.
+Dustman B
Same for the TV show.
+ThePotatoKing The show was ok
The show is amazing
"Look! Ramps!"
"We can use these as ramps!"
This "Boom" series was so bad it made '06 look professional.
Only Rise of Lyric.
Yeah
It's kinda been a self-aware show after a few seasons
Say what you will about this shitty game, but I really love EggMan's design here.
IKR?!? - I love his design too! He is even more "interesting" in the Sonic Boom CN.
In all honesty, I like all the new designs here, even Knuckles. It didn't make sense to me in past games that he would be way stronger than sonic but have the same body type. And I was actually excited for the game a little too
These new character designs are pretty great, to be honest. Some of my favorites yet. They're especially well animated in the TV show.
All of their designs look nice; the anime bandages for no reason are overdone, but at least they still look good. They managed to make the characters actually look different, rather than the same body with a different bobble-head photo-shopped on.
That doesn't excuse what they did to Knuckles, though. His redesign is fine, it's the fact that they made his character a stereotypical idiot jock all of a sudden. I don't even care much about the Sonic franchise at all, and yet that still really bothers me.
+Xaldyn Nemo Compare this knuckles of the Sonic Boom series vs. Sonic the Hedgehog movie knuckles the Echineda with the bad ass hat. THEY MIGHT as well be from different universes/dimensions... 0_o
"A whopping 1 GB", man with current gen I'm used to 8 GB updates.
+Mr. Realist Wii U storages are only up to 32 gigs. Most of them have just 8
+Mental Manatee Pretty sure most people have the deluxe model, I don't even know if they sell the standard anymore. It's still really shit as someone who doesnt own large external hard drives. I've gotten so much out of my standard 500 GB on my PS4.
+Mental Manatee the only reason for that is because you don't have to download the game you can just play it i have around 6 games on my ps4 and they have used 250 GB (on uses 58!!!) like holy shit and you can't upgrade the storage because sony is stuiped
+Mr. Realist Most people have the 32GB model, heck today is really hard to find a 8GB model in store 90% of them are 32GB.
About patches the Wii U dont have big patches 1GB is big for a Wii U game
+Omar Mohammed yeah you can....but it's not very streamline.
1:44 Tails' face is like "But really, why is Sonic Boom so bad?"
Despite its plethora of flaws, I still stand by my opinion that 2006's Sonic at least in concept form had potential to actually be a great game. It had interesting ideas, a more serious story with a legitimately intimidating villain, and veteran + new characters working together (Sonic, Shadow, and Silver all going super to fight a god, OMG). The thought of more realistic visuals also sounded cool, especially when I first saw the trailer, though I didn't expect such a Final Fantasy-ish vibe.
Regarding Sonic's romance with Elise, while I obviously found it inappropriate like most, of course I didn't think Sega was condoning or encouraging bestiality. Several animal characters even outside games (Roger Rabbit, Beauty & Beast, Greek mythology, etc) have human love interests, it's not something to take personally or flip out over like morality itself is dead.
While it definitely failed in most respects, I attribute that mainly to its execution and difficulties during development. We certainly have every right to expect the creators to do their best, but cannot blame them for things beyond their control. In any popular franchise that grows into a multi-media giant, some products will succeed while others fall short. That's how the industry works, and fans' standards can admittedly get unrealistic sometimes. It's all just a natural part of the process.
Nevertheless, if Sonic 06 or Sonic Boom (among others) serve any value, it should be as examples for the developers to learn from in order to take good concepts from the past and apply them better in the future. That's how quality games are made :)
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Here's an idea, Sega: How about you make a Sonic game without absurd expectations of the production team?
You're out of ideas. OK. I get that. I'll let you have this one for free: What if Robotnik succeeded in taking over the world?
The best part is this is already a thing. Take the world of Sonic from the premise of Archie comics / SatAM and go from there. Maybe make an open world of the roboticized city filled with robots and former mobians slaving for Robotnik. And Sonic goes on secret missions to disrupt Robotnik from destroying the forest and finding other freedom fighters and rescuing captives and discovering info on how his evil inventions work. And possibly restoring Mobotropolis to its former glory, or as close to it as a rag tag group of teenagers can manage.
+MicManGuy This is an awesome idea. I really hope one day they'll do this, or consider it. I know it's highly unlikely, given the legal things they'd need to work out with Archie in order to use the setting and stuff, but hot damn. I'd play that Sonic game!
+Sajotae
They could probably still go with that idea but just not include the Archie comics characters.
+MicManGuy Sega thinks it doesn't matter because enough of the fans will buy Sonic no matter what. Unfortunately to a degree its true.
+MicManGuy I rather play Phantasy Star, Valkyria Chronicle, or Virtual On...!
+MicManGuy Not a Sonic fan, but that sounds pretty legit. These 3d running segments always seemed shoehorned in. I can understand a sideview, since that was original Sonic and can still be done, but the 3d running segments just need to be passed on. An open world with post Robotnik takeover with very minimal 3d running segments(maybe just running away parts like in Crash Bandicoot?). That'd be worth playing.
Just make Sonic Generations 2. Christ, Sega. Look at those sales numbers.
+Chad Quandt (QuandtumTheory)
Why generations 2?
I'd rather just see new levels. There's no reason to bring back old levels
I think he meant just doing another game with the generations formula.
+Chad Quandt (QuandtumTheory) I smell rehash and uncreative
+Chad Quandt (QuandtumTheory) Sonic Lost Worlds 2 with good leveldesign and bossfights would be better!
Just make Sonic Heroes 2. Christ, Sega. Look at those sales numbers.
Gamers "Sonic Boom is the worst Sonic game ever! What were the developers thinking?!"
DYKG "lol btw the game devs were rushed and forced to put their game engine on inferior hardware"
Gamers "...oh..."
Nojical it still just simply should have been delayed... A working game that comes out off game season is better than a broken onecreleased on time
It's the Wii U fault, sonic boom should get a remake to redeem it's self on the switch
now that i think about it 06 and boom failed cause of nintendo. 06 couldnt run the wii and so the team split to make secret rings. boom failed because cryengine wasnt supposed to run on the wii u .Man Nintendo are u guys trying to sabotage sonics career
Hafim Mansoor Lmao, not their fault. It is Sega's idea to put their games on their console to begin with. Which I think.. Can both be good and bad on paper.
To me, Sonic can be on Nintendo consoles. Just not exklusive to them. And also without changing his Dna (COUGH, Sonic Lost World, COUGH).
>unironically defending Boom
So, we could've gotten a good Sonic game, but Nintendo and SEGA had to fuck it all up for Big Red Button... Sigh...
Justin Sanchez yep, looks like Sonic Boom was actually going to be a good game but Sega caused problems. Had the exclusive deal not happen then BigRedButton wouldn't be a now struggling company, as their reputation tarnished via their first game. Such a shame.
Meh nah, the game is said to be VERY uninteresting even without all the glitches... It's just not a very fun game which doesn't really work at all.
Haganeren But it could've been made more fun and interesting if BigRedButton didn't spend all of its time just trying to get the game to run.
In a development team, there is the design team, and there is the programming team.
During the time the programming team was trying to fit the game in the Wii U, it's up to the design team which isn't hit TOO much by the change of platform to make something great.
Well, i don't mean that the design team is totally unnerved by the change of platform, they have to imagine less big place for example, or less enemy at the same time but frankly, that's all.
So yeah, it may have been "a bit better" because of much time taking by making test and fixing glitches but the vision they had is still there at the end and.... Well it's really not that great. It's very different from Sonic 2006 where the team was fucked by Sega several times by splitting their team in two for exemple... Now THAT's awful.
But yeah, even knowing that Nintendo and Sega can be awful, i don't have any confidence in Big Red Button at all.
Haganeren
When you think about the people who make up BigRedButton's team, given their resumes, I do have confidence in them. They clearly have a lot of experience and potential.
I think Sonic Boom does have good ideas and potential, especially the content that had to be cut out due to the troubled development. There were games much like it that were pulled off before, but way better. I personally blame the deal SEGA made with Nintendo.
jontron... and... a shitty sonic game... now where have I seen this before? :3
Brings me back
IT'S NO USE
WELCOME TO SONIC TEAM WERE WE MAKE GAMES, I THINK?
Hey RATH....
(Sniffs some powder)
WTF IS A SONIC
We ruined everything Ray, WE RUINED EVERYTHING!
"Can you feel the sunshine? Does it brighten up your day?"
"What the FUCK is a Sonic?"
You mean *that* game?
Boom Sonic really looks inspired by Rayman. I can never shake that feeling.
omg HE DOES I nevered noticed
Lol
I'm pretty sure Sonic said "Ah Shhhhiiiiiiiiiiiooot"
Troubled development
You don't say
So basically, Sega fucked everything up.
+BionicleRaptor Again.
so basically it was sega's fault that boom was a bad game they should of told BRB(BigRedButton) about the three game deal they had with Nintendo from the start
So basically, we shouldn't have blamed Sonic Team for this crap game
+BionicleRaptor Which was disappointing since they were picking up speed again after the release of Sonic Generations. But they fucked up and let all that success go down the drain right afterwards with Sonic Boom.
Business as usual.
So if Sega didn't force this game into their 3 game deal with Nintendo then it might have been good?
And those early redesigns of Sonic my god how would the fans raged if they kept that silly one with sonic with clothes on?
It looks kind of cute, but yeah it doesn't really fit the franchise.
+True Pride The three game deal included Sonic Boom. If they didn't make the deal, they wouldn't have had to port it, and would have saved a bunch of time and headaches.
+Ken Krumbach Wait, 3 games? Do they still have one due?
+Brodie did you actully watch the video? because they list all 3 in there
Jacob Dowdy I dont remember every part of the video. what were they
Did you know? The Sonic Boom show is the best thing ever.
I remember when they first released that "shadow" image of their character designs. It looked like it would be a REALLY good game...
"Did you also know that Silver The Hedgehog from Sonic '06 is based on Trunks from Dragon Ball Z?"
Is there any Sonic character who you can't say it could have been based on a Dragon Ball Z character?
Watch the Sonic 06 Did you know gaming. Both those facts came from it.
332211ggGHGFF and?
Big the cat.
Superflaming85 boo.
+What am i doing with my life If by "And" I guessing you want the other fact which was the beastiality thing last mentioned at the end of this vid. Yes that is on the other Did you know vid as well..
So... It's not so much BigRedButtons fault this horrible game exists...
It's Sega and Nintendo's fault. Mainly Sega's for having the 3 game contract with Nintendo and making this game one of them.
+Ruben Toco It still rather is because BRB were playing with fire if they thought they could make a quality platformer out of an engine that isn't meant to be for platformers.
or a good sonic game.....sorry.....
And they also should've told BRB from the beginning of development that it would be on the Wii-U so that they could've actually optimized it for the Wii-U.
Uh.... no....
Bigredbutton is to blame for being such an incompetent company.
Before Sonic Boom, they had a few other projects that never got green lighted. Plus they we're pretty much fighting over the games graphics engine until they realized "Oh shit, we're making a game!"
gameman5804 And that's *before* SEGA's decisions!
Wait a fuckin second! Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 sold WORSE than Heroes?!?
heroes did come out for all consoles
Xion Zalboa and one and two did come out on a poor selling console
True, but what about the rereleased versions?
Xion Zalboa I don’t think rereleases count in sales numbers, do they?
I couldn't believe that S3&K sold so bad. They've always been my favourite games.
I love the character redesigns for Boom, just a shame the actual game had to be so broken.
The Wii U one right?
So Sonic Boom sucked because it was on the Wii U? That's deprsseing...
Even if it were on compatible hardware, the game would have still been a mediocre linear fetch quest. When I beat the game without using glitches, I found it extremely boring.
+Studley Muffin Not exactly, Sonic Boom sucked beacuse it wasn't planned for the Wii U, if the studio began development with the Wii U's hardware in mind, the outcome would be much different...
+EAPvideoz Even watching the Grumps play it... It looked so repetitive.
+Studley Muffin Wow. Blame the system and not things like the dev team behind it being very unstructured. Real classy.
+Slash Ser COULD have been much different. I honestly doubt the game would be anything more than below average at best with optimization problems aside.
What if Sega was trolling Nintendo by releasing and rushing these shitty games so they can end the deal quickly?
+Pedro Juan Lol yeah, or Nintendo was just showing everyone how much Sonic sucks and Mario is still better
+Pedro Juan Totally worth the losses and bad pr!
+Pedro Juan Then they are dumb as hell considering they are the ones that lost financially and agreed to the deal in the first place
Sonic Lost World isn't shitty though
Why would they do that they are just gonna piss off sonic fans
It's the same Sonic!! "Yeah, but he's got a scarf" #SimpsonsDidIt
I know I’m very late for this, but at 1:54 when Jon brings up other human characters and if you were talking the sketches of those hillbilly esque characters those actually were supposed to be Eggman. When the game still called Sonic Synergy the plot would have been an origin story for Sonic and friends in this world. Sonic and Eggman started out as friends, but when they time traveled Eggman did something and broke their friendship. So I think that was what Eggman was supposed to look like before they time traveled.
So basically it would of been a better game if it weren't on a Wii U.
Not exactly, it would have been a better game if they initially knew it was ganna be for the wii u. They just got fucked hard by Sega and Nintendo mid production.
It would've been a better game if it was on an engine they were familiar with. They didn't know the engine, AND they suddenly got pulled into the Wii U. The combo of both makes a shitty game, just like how Sega forced a Wii Sonic game that also turned out badly(aka Secret Rings). Big Red Button could've done a lot more with Sonic than a boring beat em up as well.
***** That too.
I think that if Sega wasn't breathing down BRB'S necks with all this nonsense, they would've probably made atleast a pretty good game. I like how this video puts things tho. It is more clear, organized and told me new stuff I didn't originally know about
Geezas Don't fucking blame the Wii U for this shit of a game!
At least the cartoon was alright.
Also, I like the redesigns. Sue me.
Allright then.
See you in court I guess
+Tony Gregory I'll be your lawyer.
Kuma Gamer Good, I'm going to need one. :P
***** I'm acting as Mr.Gregory's lawyer to defend his claim.
I'm actually fine with them too minus knuckles
"The studio eventually approached Sega, and pitched them a non-specified game." I'm not even a minute in and im screaming with laughter.
"Did you know the development was troubled?"
I can't tell if this is an actual question or dripping sarcasm. YOU DON'T SAY.
Sooo, what I'm getting from this is, Big Red Button did their best but Sega screwed them over?
+BrainComm487 Pretty much.
+BrainComm487 Nah, BRB was still rather over their heads on this one as well. Even if everything was ironed out, its platforming and combat would still be brain-cell-killingly dull.
Ryan S. At least it would a harmless average game. Heck, maybe the level design and combat would've been tweaked.
***** No. CryEngine to begin with wasn't designed for platform games, and seeing as BRB was a small studio that lacked the experience to do something like that beforehand......
Nope BRB did their best but they still put out crap and mediocre games. I mean even the games before they were average. The designs they came up with even made Sega hate the new sonic boom but they compromised.
I honestly thought this game had potential; I love the character designs and I did enjoy the dark atmosphere the game tried to give off (it kinda reminded me of Scooby-Doo: Mystery Incorporated). Hopefully SEGA will be persistent enough to try mastering the platformer-adventure formula again in the future.
So glad there's positivity somewhere on this comments page
+MetalSonicReject Why only make the game for the Wii-U? That's not the best way to market a game.
+Kuma Gamer If you seen the video, you'd understand the Nintendo exclusivity deal.
+Kuma Gamer Sonic games actually sell best on Nintendo hardware
Iftekhar Ahmed I have seen the full video. But even so, boom might have been better on the xbox 1, and ps4. Since it came out during the time when people started to notice how weak the wii-u was. No offence to people who like it.
Jon sounds like he just isn't having it today and someone stole his coffee
"footage from youtube user game grumps" so cold. There was a time even post grump era jon would be "from my friends at"
so what your saying is, sonic boom could have been good?
No, it's still a sonic game.
+Apoc Vulkax there's some sonic games that are good
+Apoc Vulkax Sonic Colors, Sonic Generations, Sonic Lost World,...
+Apoc Vulkax Sonic games kicked ass back then.
+Apoc Vulkax SHOTS FIRED!
Sonic Boom?
More like...
Sonic...
Poop.
...
ech.
10/10
.000000001/10
Gmaniac01 THIS GUY GETS WAT IM ON ABOUT.
+Harry Book Harry book more like Harry Dork
+Harry Book Sonic Boom? More like Sonic DOOM! HAHAHAHAHA..HA..Ha..Ha..........10/10!
Every time Jon says "Bob Rafei," I expect him to add a "ki" to the end.
IT'S THE SOOOONIC OF LIFE!
Those sales numbers are a HUGE surprise to me. Not the ones of Sonic Boom, but the entire overview.
I think egoraptor should of done this one.
should have*
its should have, not should of
+Alex Renk it's*
+Alex Renk should've
+Alex Renk thanks teacher
+Erik B a grammar nazi for the grammar nazi, how ironic
but I was just telling him its should have, not of, nothing really grammar wise
If they wanted to make an action adventure spin on the franchise, why not base it off the comics?
+Johnny Smith omg I think this might just be the most accurate comment I've ever seen on CZcams in my life.
Why HAVEN'T we gotten a spin off series based on the Archie comics?
+Danny McMillan Because not everyone has read the comics and would not know who these characters are besides SOnic, Tails, Knuckles, etc.
+N The Hedgehog Then re-introduce them.
***** Like Rainpooper said, re-introduce them. It's that simple.
It seems appropriate that you got JonTron for this one. He would, after all, know a thing or two about unfinished sonic games.
OH SHIIIIIOOOOT
5:05 since when is piss a swear?
To younger kids it is. But to people who are older it probably isnt
+X2011racer I think that was the pilot episode... I was actually liking the cartoon then it took a massive turn to younger audiences... oh well
Actually, the show's TV-PG; possibly a first for Cartoon Network seeing that TV-PG is usually limited to Anime or Dreamworks Movies.
The DVDs are most likely a good way to hear the unedited audio, which contain minor swears like "crap".
+X2011racer Star Wars: The Clone Wars was TV-PG long before the first episode of Regular Show. Hole in the Wall, back during Cartoon Network's weird years when they decided to make live-action shows, also had at least one episode rated TV-14, for some reason.
It's not exactly kid friendly language
So they basically did a Rinse and Repeat actions that they did with Sonic the Hedgehog 2006.
Except Nintendo fucked Sega over which fucked Big Red Button over, instead of Sega fucking themselves over.
Animaniac190
Its not so much that.Its more of the fact that once again, SEGA pushed the game to be released at its deadline, ignoring the problems the game's development is having and pushes the creators to get it released now.
SEGA did the same with Sonic 06, pushing the Sonic Team to get the game released by Christmas to be a Launch title for the XBox360.
SEGA does not know when to delay a game or cancel.
***** They probably wanted the 3-game-Sonic contract to be over with to focus on Sonic Team making their game without restrictions... Maybe.
+Animaniac190 Can you say that 20 times over as fast as possible?
332211ggGHGFF lel
"Did you know? The develoment of Sonic Boom was troubled" That's a nice way to put it
I'm goin'!
I'm goin'!
Jontron was a Game Grump and now a DidYouKnow? Speaker.
If the design team had stuck with some of the early design concepts and were able to stick with the cryengine, I have no doubt that it wouldve been one of the better sonic games
Yeah. But then the Wii U and all...
They did stick with the cryengine. That's one of the reason it looks and runs like shit.
So basically, they should have used a new engine
+Daniel Martin It's not as simple as that. Using another engine would have required porting over all their work so far, which may not always be successful. It'd almost be like starting over.What should have been done is that the exclusivity deal should have never been made, since nothing profitable actually came of it.
+Diem Heck, if that was the case, Lost World would've been affected for better of for worse
"Everyone hates Sonic Heroes!" *Looks at the graph* Well why the heck did everyone buy it? It's the second best selling game in the damn series!
+Mason Hardison (CHAOKOCartoons) thats what i hate about the fanbase. there was a time were heroes was praised more than hated then.....boom. heroes worst game next 06 or something. if i recall it happened(or its happening rn).
+Mason Hardison (CHAOKOCartoons) whoa whoa whoa... people hated Sonic Heroes??? The fuck?! that game was fun as hell
+jon3s115 It's controls were beyond fucked. The speed characters were too fast, the controls were rather sloppy, and the combat was just...awful. Doesn't help that enemies were rocking health bars, slowing down the pace of the game, and certain levels required you to look for x amount of stuff for Team Chaotix
+Mason Hardison (CHAOKOCartoons) It came out right after the Adventure games were ported to GameCube so people bought it. It's an okay game but it has issues.
+Mason Hardison (CHAOKOCartoons) Heroes was okay. It didn't do anything really good, but at least it wasn't an unplayable mess or a complete let-down.
One thing I always respect about DYKG is that it's completely unbiased, regardless of the video's topic or the reputation of the video's topic. I've never played Sonic Boom, but I can still appreciate that added quality. Sometimes hearing people bitch and joke about things that are already hated by everyone just gets annoying.
Nice, you put game grumps footage when jontron narrating. Good job.
"Footage by gamegrumps" It was almost like it was on purpose lol
the games were dumb, but the character designs did grow on me a lot
I also like the character designs. The only exception for me was Knuckles. I still think his design is bad.
*****
actually, its more like if the first batman comic had batman be more or less a batthemed detective. then came justice leage united (sonic x) and made him kinda the guy whod be able to take down every single superbeing in the multiverse. and then, another batman came along and made him just a batthemed detective again.
knuckles was established to be a gulible strong idiot long before sonic x
+Oscar Ljungberg (Fatman) knuckles has always been an idiot
Hearing Jon say the words sonic 06 in the end card made me want to sob my eyes out
Wow, That was interesting I hope you make more video's soon.
"Pissed off" is a swear ?
+Princesoulger Yes.
This is news to me too..
+Princesoulger For sonic's target audience.
Yes "piss" is a swear word, most kids in this age probably wouldn't know that I guess.
332211ggGHGFF We use the phrase piss off in America too, just not frequently and it's still most likely a stronger phrase in England though.
"Welcome to Sonic Team, we makes game I think!"
Sonic: oh shhhiiiiiiiiiiioooooooooot XD
Have you guys talked about Sonic Pinball yet? I friggin LOVED that game back in the day.