Is Volo The HARDEST POKEMON BATTLE Of All Time?
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He’s so strong, he breaks the first rule of Pokémon. You’re only allowed six Pokémon and he technically has EIGHT! And on top of that, he basically has Cynthia’s team with a double Giratina battle at the end.
Man imagine what Cynthia would react to seeing Volo
@@Eric-py8yy Probably say something like "As expected of my ancestor"
@@Eric-py8yy she will say:- hallo my great great grand father 😂😂
@@Eric-py8yy "you're weak" and proceed to swept his team with Milotic and defeat Giratina with her own Giratina from Pokemon Masters EX
@@SleepyNubis i think Cynthia would be angry at Volo for him being Evil
The fact that Giratina obeys his command when he isn’t even considered as a trainer just shows how strong he is.
Giratina Commanded Himself ! , Volo Just Called Upon Him To Try & Take You Out .
Even better. Volo didn't command Giratina, Giratina found Volo to be a worthy ally.
@@FrostedMike Exactly , Giratina The 🐐!
Slay
Not really. Giratina is "mad" at Arceus so Volo was only able to get him to work along side him since he was close to being able to get the plates from the player to summon Arceus.
Alpharad said it best
"I wasn't scared. Then I heard the piano."
Lore-wise, with Cynthia being a mythologist (kinda like a historian), she’d be frightened by how strong Volo was. Much like how we still have absolutely no idea how was it possible for ancient Babylons to observe the weather and create the lunar calendar, or how ancient Egyptians managed to build a pyramid. Both tasks are easy in today's technology.
Sure, Volo was weaker than she is as a trainer without Giratina and the 'cheats', but in Cynthia’s modern era, all the pokemon battle's know-hows have been readily taught and the new trainers didn't have to start from scratch. They also have a strong supporting system and a training system. They can train and produce strong trainer much much easier than the past.
Volo, on the other hand, had to rely on his own. The training he must've gone through (likely self-taught) in an era where people were so ignorant about pokemon is unimaginable. He'd likely have started training his six pokemons before pokeballs were even invented. The title Pokemon Wielder is no joke. He is probably the most talented Pokemon trainer to have ever existed in history by a large margin, and could only be defeated by someone who came from the future.
Rly well said, bro wrote an entire essay
Estoy de acuerdo con tu comentario
This was an incredible read. If I were you I’d post this somewhere itd get more recognition
@@watermel let him cook
And he commanded giratina *WITHOUT CATCHING IT*
This character is very interesting thematically, as while he may not be the strongest character in the series, he was, in the lore of the game, hands down the strongest trainer at that point in time, which admittedly isn’t saying much since “trainers” were somewhat of a new concept at the time, but that also means that at that time period, volo was likely the strongest man alive, carrying powerful pokemon at his disposal that could theoretically wipe out entire towns with little opposition if he so choose to. His remark that it seemed like our character was shot out of the rift just to stop him may actually be true, as it’s likely that arceus realized the threat volo posed, and his only option was to summon a trainer from the future strong enough to stop him.
And not just any trainer, a pokemon league champion who themselves have battled and/or caught legendaries themselves.
Not to mention ingo, who is a single battle specialist (the only battle format that existed at the time), who also weilded legendaries.
Arceus sent (at least) two of the people who would be best equipped to stop him into the past just to make sure he's stopped. That's how big the threat of him is.
Not a trainer, he's a pokemon *W I E L D E R*
@@jaernihiltheus7817 wait, it has been confirmed that the main character is a pokemon league champion?
I think Arceus wanted the first pokédex to be completed so people would stop being afraid of pokemon. Like, Arceus wouldn't even let Volo in its realm and Volo wouldn't be able to do anything about it, his plan was: If I get all the plates, I'll get to know Arceus! And you get all plates but still need to complete the pokedex, neither he had the azure flute, so yeah, Volo was never a real threat
@@marcosluismartinmorales5523 yes. You play as dawn or lucas from pokemon platinum, post-elite four. The player character doesn't just look identical, but you're also an accomplished trainer from post-b2w2 sinnoh that has dialogue stating you're familiar with both cresselia and giratina, and you were purposefully sent back in time to stop the world's greatest trainer at the time who had also teamed up with giratina.
Lore wise, him having Giratina means he can clear 99 percent of Pokémon with zero difficulty only being contended by trainers who focus specifically on strength or legendary spam.
I had 3 legendaries, and 3 alphas.
My team was heatran first, then Alpha Gardevior, then Alpha Garchomp, then Alpha Zoroark, then Dialga, then palkia in origin form. In that order. All about lvl 75ish or a little over, not quite lvl 80 yet.
My gardevoir knows grass fairy psychic and fighting type moves, and my dialga I taught ice beam to cover the ground weakness. And I taught my palkia a flying type move to cover my fighting type weakness.. might actually flip those two around so that palkia has ice beam and dialga has the flying type move. 🤔
But yea I beat Volo and giratina first try. 🤷♂️
My team for Volo, Alpha Togekiss lvl 71, Alpha Garchomp lvl 85, Cresselia lvl 71, Heatran lvl 72, Regigigas lvl 75, Dialga (Origin) lvl 78, along with 5 revives no potions and I beat him 1st try mid difficulty
P.S. My bad, When I say I brought 5 revives I meant I only used 2 of them.
@@williamdarrylntouba7983 Did you watch one of the how to beat Volvo guides, because that is literally the exact same team I used, except none were alphas
@@neowolf09 how are you gonna brag about beating him first try with half your team legendaries lol
@@neowolf09 my team was the 3 hisui starters, my shiny Braviary, Goodra, and shiny staraptor, all mid 70s. I beat volo first try, and kamikazied into giratina, not knowinh that 2nd phase. I then beat him 2nd try.
I mean Volo and Ghestis both had no problem with killing the player, I mean I can literally envision Volo killing you and just kicking your remains off the the end of the temple altar sending you tumbling down the side of the mountain
He literally said that he isn’t afraid to use force to get those plates from you.
Then Ghetsis threaten to kill lille in usum so he would quite possibly kill you if the time was right. I just remembered he actually does try to kill you in b2w2 so yeah he definitely would. Volo was basically using you the whole game and threaten to use force to get what he wanted just to meet arceus so I don’t think he would be above killing you either. Interesting how they’re the only two characters that do that in the series.
@@Code_Lune and when you lose to him nothing happens and you just have to fight him again because game logic and you have to beat him to progress so I guess that’s why.
@@THGMR-ox7sd Volo Is the Voldemort of Pokemon!THE LITERAL POKEMON DEVIL!
Well yeah, he's that way because it won't matter if he achieves making a new world and erasing the one that already exists. Lol
I find it funny that 2 of the strongest characters in franchise are related to each other. Gamefreaks way of overthrow Cynthia as the hardest trainer to fight is to literally make another Cynthia.
And make him Cynthia before Cynthia would have been alive.
Volo is Primal Cynthia
@@horo-horoxdive8046 cynthia origin form
Volo so illegal he has cynthia leveled pokemon, and he fk has 8 mons in total (giratina heals back to full each phase)
why is there a race of cynthia-look alikes
Volo’s the only fight in a Pokémon game that made me go “You know what? Screw my own rules, I’m using items in battle now.”
Exactly I tried so many times without any items. Then I only used as many as he used and it was easy.
I gave up on no items and started leveling up dialga to level 100 and still couldn't beat him
@@speedover3233 Cressilia and Darkrai sorta destroy him lol
Maybe manaphy too
Yeah I had a similar situation, but I decided on using a level 100 shiny regigigas I moved from sword instead of items
@@Tikpea meanwhile i sweeped his legs with full team of Gardevoir...
He’d be difficult in a normal game, but with Legends’ weird battle system where knocking out an opponent allows them to hit back immediately (almost guaranteed to OHKO you back)? He’s DANGEROUS.
He has a team of fast, heavy hitters. If you fought someone with 8 one shotters in a row who most likely hit 1st, you'd lose even faster
Yeah definitely, he would be very tough in normal Pokémon battles but since it’s PLA battle system which is very unbalanced he can easily sweep your team if you don’t have very tanky pokemon
@@ericgropuis It's FFX battle system.
In normal games he would have abilities, held items and Ivs. It would be a bigger hell
I like how in his battle, volo will take advantage of any type advantages he has over your team AND he abuses the strong/quick style moves that make it so he'll almost always hit you more than once. His super intelligent AI just makes the fight that much harder.
Even with a full level 80 team and a watertight strategy, I still struggled. I was 10 levels higher, and had specific Pokémon and moves to counter him, HOW!
@@CraftingGummi the power of anime villanry i guess.
@@CraftingGummi Remember this Giratina is More Buffed than The Giratina We Have Used or faced in the past(No Pun Intended),Shadow Force Almost One Shots Everything and It will always Go First
That Togekiss is too annoying not to be considered one of his pillars, ontop of that in contrast to Cynthia's Garchomp, Volo's ace is Togekiss
The contrast between Volo´s ace being Togekiss and Cynthia´s Garchomp is quite interesting in the fact that as the two trainers are polar oposites (Cynthia trying to save the world while Volo trying to basicaly destroy it and create a new one), the types of their aces are complete oposites too - Fairy/Flying vs Dragon/Ground.
@@veronikamajerova4564 I also find it very cool that his ace is literally a Pokemon that needs friendship to evolve and we see it as a Togepi before, so I take it that even though he's a "Pokémon Wielder", he still has a kind side and can bond with a Pokémon
@@franziskavonmegan5840 That brings up interesting paralel with another DPP character - Cyrus. You know, the guy who made "emotions are bad" his whole worldview. And yet he still has a Crobat on his team.
@@veronikamajerova4564 first a lot of people mention him having ideals that reminds them of Cyrus, and now his ace pokémon reminds them of one of Cyrus' Pokémon? At this point he's really basically Cynthia with Cyrus' mindset (hmm, although I don't think Cyrus would be laughing maniacally with an Arceus Cosplay)
@@franziskavonmegan5840 You can look at it optimistically with his relationship with Togekiss, Roserade, and Lucario, but remember...like LVs, Friendship is canonically a grindable stat, and doesn't have to come from a place of love; 'friendship' can come from training, and battling. Volo's instability and reluctance to show his madness and disregard for other lives may not just extend to human trainers; we consider his friendship evos as him having compassion...but what if it was just another act. He WIELDs Pokemon, what if he was not wholly genuine with them either? Like he wasn't with the Player...
The trauma of battling him 31 TIMES TO BEAT THE MAIN STORY will haunt me every time I visit the spear pillar…
The theme music will always haunt me
From what I've seen around, Volo is one of THE toughest fights, without question, Giratina itself is awesomely terifying to behold, and that battle shows it.
Volo Is Not Tough , Giratina Is .
I agree.
The only fights that would compete is Cynthia from BDSP and Ultra Necrozma from USUM. Volo's team isn't quite as strong as Cynthia's, and Giratina, while buffed by it's 'terrible might', isn't quite as strong as Ultra Necrozma while under the influence of its aura boosting all its stats.
But when you have to fight a (weaker) version of Cynthia's team, directly followed by a buffed fight against a legendary pokémon, it really is hard to compete with.
@@Dahxelb Cynthia from BDSP was shit lol like have you forgotten in BDSP we have something called FRIENDSHIP THAT IS A FREE FOCUS SASH AND BUFF but yea Ultra Necrozma is stronger than Giratina.
I didn't find the battle too difficult, but most of my pokemon were level 80 or higher. I battled with an alpha Sylveon, Typhlosion, Luxray, Staraptor, Shaymin and Bibarel. I remember Cynthia having roughly the same team as Volo and always losing to her garchomp or spiritomb at the final hurdle 😢
@@melvondrewhite2674 volo is one of the few trainers to with a full team in acient times (pokemon weilder) use the protagonists for his own reason and convince a legendary polemon to help him.
Volo is strong wherever you look at it
Imagine if Volo had a rematch with better movesets across the board, and a 20 level increase. A team of level 85+’s across the board, on top of scary movesets. Sounds like it would be “fun” to deal with
Wouldn’t be as hard without him summoning satan afterwards
@@marlinazul7786nah he summons God and you have to go through all 18 typings
Here's how I interpret Volo having incomplete movesets on his pokemon: He's truly and utterly insane. I don't mean that in the joking way of calling someone crazy, I mean he is literally insane, his false devotion to Arceus and drive to remake the world drove him over the edge. I compare Volo to Cyrus because of their motives and Mannerisms. Although when Volo actually shows "Yup, I'm evil!" I compare him and Cyrus to a couple of Zelda Villains.
Volo in his battle is like Ghirahim, he's crazy from the get-go and has a particularly personal hatred for the player.
Cyrus throughout the entire game is like Zant, He's calm and collected throughout, treating the player as little more than a reoccurring annoyance. But then at the climax of the Story, when his final goal of Universal armaggeddon is ripped from his grasp, he snaps and experiences a searing, uncontrollable rage.
...I wonder if giving him grandkids may fix his madness.
though lucas is way younger than cynthia, it may work.
He just wants to know if theres a god... which is pretty understandable, he probably would only kill you if there was no other option.
@@jorgenitales412 Down atrocious
I don't think Volo's devotion to Arceus was false. I think he got so wrapped up into things, especially the loss of the Celestica culture, that he came to think that he was basically owed something as recompense for Arceus letting that happen. Creating a new universe seemed to be almost an afterthought for him, something so immeasurably huge that it would force Arceus to pay attention to him.
@@BJGvideos no.
Arceus is a tool for him to get a better world.
He literally said that at the end of the match.
In a game with pretty underwhelming battles, Volo:
1. Has a team of 7 Pokémon (8 if you separate the two forms of Giratina)
2. Has Cynthia’s Platinum team (minus Milotic)
3. Doesn’t allow you to heal in between the battle against his team of 6, Giratina and it’s origin form.
So the answer to your question is…YES
You may be wondering "how would Cynthia be able to beat someone with almost her exact team and two phases of Giratina?" I'll remind you of Cynthia's ready and willingness to box the dragon ghost.
If we remember Masters then Giratina is part of her team now too.
The Arceus Event in HGSS where she doesn't seem entirely bothered by you having God in your team, and then tells you how to create a Dialga/Palkia/Giratina, as well as her portrayal in the Manga, gives me rather strong confidence she'd absolutely throw hands with Volo. I no joke could even say with some confidence she'd call apon a Legendary herself just to prove he isn't special
@@ForgottenFafnir Heck in more than one manga. In Pokespe she Draco Meteored both Cyrus and Charon, and in DPA she punched a Galactic grunt and used another one as a chair.
Plus, she... has a Giratina.
@@BJGvideos Except you're forgetting that she lost to Cyrus. That attack drained her Garchomp of all strength while Cyrus's Gyarados could continue, Cyrus opted to leave Cynthia behind and head to mt Coronet.
On top of all that, Lucario being on his team proves he isn't actually evil. Misguided for sure, but not evil.
Lucario's Shield Pokedex reads "It can tell what people are thinking. Only Trainers who have justice in their hearts can earn this Pokémon's trust."
So one way or another, he's not evil, just misguided.
Good analogy, but I don’t think that was going through the developers heads when they designed the Volo’s team
At the very least, he's been corrupted.
Then again, Cyrus had Crobat on his team, who evolves via happiness, so I guess this is just a thing with these games.
@@ywetal810 the only thing going through the devs heads when making the Pokedex was whatever they were smoking at the time. The Pokedex is actually bonkers lol
His lucario isn't even the only friendship evo on his team. Togekiss and roserade (assuming he caught it as a budew)
I personally like the idea of his pkmn being 100% onboard with his plan.
He tells the player that he wants a world without pain or unfairness perhaps his pkmn just have a similar ideology and want the world to end just as much as he does.
Of course there is the theory that he just lied and manipulated his pokemon but I like him a bit more nuanced
@sydneylong2322 Or it might be that he was nice before Giratina's potential influence.
It took me six hours of retrying, changing up my team, trying to cover all of my bases and exploit his pokemon’s weaknesses. Definitely the single hardest battle in the Pokémon series!
Wow I beat him 1st try. I'm using Alakzam Infernape Goodra Jolteon all alpha them Dialga and Palkia. My Goodra is maxed and I use an ice, water shelter and a steal move.
I beat him on my first time, but with a full EV-trained team of Level 100, Nature-minted team, I made it out with just one Pokémon by the end of Round Three. His actual team took out half of mine, it was insane.
He always uses spiritomb to start out.
I beat him first try as well but I didn’t want to because I accidentally over levelled
I lost once left completed the rest of the dex including research and came back only needing Giriatina and Arceus lol my lvl 90 team stomped second time around
I think the screwy thing about comparing Volo to other trainers is the change in game mechanics. In old games, you could hit a problem mon and get swept. Legends Arceus means the faster Pokemon won't simply outspeed after a ko, so the game is more about exchanging ko's and revenge killing the last thing they sent out, and having the 2 phase fight with that powerful Giratina is rough after Volo's tenderized your team so much. In general, higher level Pokemon also seem to take more damage from lower level ones than they did in the past, so that isn't a reliable way to curbstomp your enemies either.
In addition to that, all cheese strats have been purged as PLA only has attack, status setting and basic stat boosting moves. All of these have also been modified to prevent the player from being able to perfectly set up for a sweep(ex: sleep switched for drowsy, only 1 stage of stat boosts).
Where you could find a winning strat in other games and abuse it, PLA makes that impossible. Add to that the fact that switch mode isn’t a thing here and that item use might let Volo land 2 hits in a row and you get a brutal combination.
Effectively, the only « cheese strats » here is to overlevel and perfectly Ev train.
whether he is the strongest or not, Volo is definitely the best written villain the series has.
I think N is the best written Pokemon villain. Volo is the 2nd best.
@@OneOfFourLucasMains I mean at the end, does N even count as a villain?
N wasn’t really a villain imo lmao
@@OneOfFourLucasMains N was not a villain my guy
@@tanishadas7341 N is an antagonist regardless of whether or not he is malicious because goals go against the player character (the protagonist).
Admittedly I was a bit over leveled because I spent so much time catching Pokémon rather than completing the story, so my team was around level 80 when I fought him. I found him easy but I know I would have struggled if I wasn’t overleveled!
Same! If you explore everything in this game you get over-leveled really fast...
To be fair though, my team was also between 70 and 80 and he still managed to take down more than half of it, mainly due to the types issue, it took me by surprise considering most of the fights up to that point had been laughably easy
Dude I did the opposite I was playing casual as fuck and exploring at a slow pace so when I was wrapping the story up he fuckin blew me away ahahaha
He is definitely one of the toughest, but with that music, he's definitely the coolest
Note: Volo is held back by the lack of abilities. Volo was already nerfed.
Volo with abilities would be flat out broken
Greevil has access to abilities and Volo is still harder than him.
In what way?
Intimidate and rough skin? Ohhh boy. Just spam Ice Beam and Surf. Both don't care about Intimidate and Ice Beam
Maybe Togakiss Spamming Air Slash but it's managable, especially under LA's system where there is no flinches
@@SuperSayianWarrior all good till both outspeed you
Imagine volo but with held items, abilities, iv and ev training ect. That would be problematic
the thing that makes him strong is the surprise factor. It's pretty obvious he was gonna be a secret antagonist, but I was surprised how late they revealed his character. Not only that, but I was really surprised by the battle. After I barely beat him, he then sends out a whole ass Giratina that whoops my ass. Then after I battle him a second time being more careful cause I knew of the Giratina, he then turns into a second form and whoops my ass again. Took me like 4 tries purely off the unexpectedness of the battle.
I personally think Volo difficulty was increased by the flawed battle system. His team is definitely strong but the fact that there wasn't too many trainer battles definitely made the fight feel more difficult
It's an arbitrarily long fight in a game filled with short fights and is the first where you need to actually be paying attention to any real degree.
I am convinced nonetheless that he is not a hard person to beat, but he does catch you off guard and has the first full team that then leads into a legendary fight, individually they are not a challenge, but this is new and so you aren't expecting it.. There's no equivalent in the other games, but being under-prepared, and probably not having your best team on hand like you would normally for such a situation as we are conditioned by the game to use a rotating team, inflates the difficulty a lot. As well the turn system can really screw you, especially if you haven't put in the time to actually learn how to take advantage of it.
I had 4 lvl 20s on hand when I fought him, a lvl 60 and a lvl 72? I won rather easily although I did have to think about what I was doing as I effectively only had two pokemon.
I totally agree. If we put Volo into a game with a proper battle sistem (for example BDSP, just to stick to the Sinnoh region) he is nothing more that an ok secret boss (think about Steven Stone in Emeral)
@@AsassinoSilenzioso personally I disagree because in the main series game he would actually be able to go first. In legends arceus you almost always get the first move for example you can a ursaluna who slightly lower level that volo garchomp who's speed is more than double ursaluna and ursaluna will still go first. Also let's be honest you benefit more the strong and agile than volo does. The amount of youtubers who I've seen who would have lost that battle without legends arceus mechanics is a lot
@@jmetivier9217 fair point, but untrue. In a regular game Volo will have to stand up against things like Zacian-C for example, his team is not up to the task. The shallow movepool, the lack of abilities and held items, the restricted list of Pokémon make him far more challenging. Also, being fast is good but not a win button and to be honest his team is not hard to outsped, Garchomp is base 102 speed and it's his faster monster, the aforementioned Zacian-C for example is base 148. It's a very good superboss lorewise and is a great fight in the context of LPA, but if you take him out of that pond he becomes mediocre at best.
@@AsassinoSilenzioso that's no really a good argument. First using legendary pokemon that is A largely agreed to be the most broken pokemon pokemon as a comparison and would make any fight easy, B where talking in playthrough not a online battle every in game teams would be in online battles. This also covers the comment for there being a limited dex because in every pokemon the pokemon pool is limited. Second you didn't really argue any o my points. To add on to my point it would be much harder to get extremely over level or get high level pokemon like in legends arceus so for most people you would either be at or lower level than volo. Also you can go watch CZcams and see the sheer amount of times they use strong or agile style while volo use it sparsely and the amount of youtuber who would lost if Speed was like the normal game is a lot. Third if this was put in a normal game let's be honest the moveset for his team would be different and if it was in bdsp he would have a ev on his pokemon with item on top of what I said before hand. Lastly third a lot of the people who battle volo used mythical and legendary which they wouldn't access to most of them or if there are some they wouldn't have gone for them. Also if you look in the pattern with people in main stream don't use legendary at all bar some people who do which is usability the box legendary (which you normally get one of). If you disagree me than you can argue my point or come with more. Also this isn't me trying to attack you or say you're opinion is invalid and if it does sound like that than I apologize.
Edit I forgot to address your points about abilities and held item which to extinct is true but most people don't really run held item unless it's sooth bell, amulet coins, or leftover. In regards to ability it really wouldn't matter because a lot of pokemon good abilities are usually hidden abilities which most players don't go out of there way to get and don't forget volo would also get his pokemon ability. Lastly if this fight was in bdsp ( which would make the most sense) his pokemon would be ev, max iv, have there best abilities, and have there move set change to be more challenging which also includes Giratina
All I'm saying is that 8 year old me had no trouble beating Cynthia on my first try using a not overleveled team amd Dialga. But 16 year old me got my shit rocked by Volo while using Dialga, Palkia, Samurott, Braviary, Scizor, and Arcanine.
Yawn
HOW?
Had to sneak in that stupid flex in the first half of your comment👏
@@ab2587 cynthia isnt a hard fight
@@theurbanreanimator7244 You could argue Cynthia is the hardest fight in all
pokemon games but ok...
The first time I battled him, I beat him and his team pretty easily. Then, he pulled out Giratina. I said to myself, “Ok this shouldn’t be too bad”. Then I realized, my party wasn’t healed and my pp wasn’t restored at all. I was like “Are you kidding me?” Then I found out you had to beat Giratina not once, but TWICE. Now I find myself here figuring out how to beat him
Edit: I have finally beaten him! It only took me transferring Giratina but it was worth it!
And here I am, sitting on my Togekiss and Umbreon, loving how OP Calm Mind is.
One issue I have with comparing red to Volo is that red also has just natural weather bonus of hail on mt. Silver, which gives him 100% acc blizzards on three of his Pokémon. One of my fav strats to counter him is to run a tyranitar with sand stream
Perhaps, being able to customise your team specifically for Volo easier relative to Cynthia, even though on paper it is much more difficult. Cynthia’s team is at the end of the elite four. I think that needs to be factored in.
Yeah, but you can heal before the fight with Cynthia, so you can technically start at full health.
@@veronikamajerova4564 I think the point is you can’t customise your team specifically for Cynthia because you have to make sure you can always take down the Elite Four first. At least with Volo you can pick the 6 perfect Pokémon.
to be honest its not exactly hard to customize a team for both cynthia and the elite 4
Cynthia is easy breezy because Pokemon drugs are broken.
If you have a team with balanced types and moves. You don't need to do changes to fight cynthia or even Volo. U can just use a good adventure team
Without Giratina, just below Cynthia for certain. Red has the advantage of type diversity and full movesets so Id say below him too. WITH Giratina? Above them both.
*Laughs in Evice skillswap Slaking and 7 mon Greevil*
I mean its hard to compare because of the legends arceus has that weird battle system and also the level difference i mean is reds pikachu not like almost 20 levels higher than giratina? Plus all his team is over level 80 but i dont really know...
U guys got somethin?
I actually found Volo to be really easy. Giratina though? Different story.
Found both actually pretty easy, but thats because i put 60+ hrs into the game before actually fighting him xD
Volo, he ain't Cynthia. Giratina, Eternatus eat your heart out.
volo's team itself was a breeze and not that hard. Both of the Giritina summons is what caught me off guard
I soloed his whole team and giratina with a max stat LV 100 darkrai spamming shadow sneak. Mad easy. If he can use a legendary, so can I. Lol 😂
@@dmk4fcu Same. I had ~60+ hours before I battled Volo and I was fine
I literally gave up with my team after losing a few times and beat him with Darkrai, palkia, dialga, heatran, creasselia and regigiggas. It was actually really fun using a team of legendaries for the final battle
Did I miss catching a Darkrai or what
@@pokemaster7200 I think you need to have save data for either bdsp or sword and shield for the mission im not sure which one
@@firetruckgowoot you need bdsp for darkrai, but having sword/shield gets you a shaymin quest
@@papyrusplays6021 I have sword so when I get legends arceus do I get the Shaymin quest?
@@gumbo34 after you beat the main story and go into post game it’ll be on the professors quest board
also don’t worry, you’ll know once you enter the post game lol
This was so hard, I had to bring 4 Legendary Pokémon, and I didn't win until I found out how broken Cressilia is
Dude same. That lunar attack making it harder to it allowed me to run Giratina out of Shadow Forces by becoming obscure and then I took it out from there.
4 legendary? Man so ig the game did what it originally planned to do to you lol...the game made you not train and not make you have a solid team cx
I managed to beat him in one 1 go
Torterra
Electivire
Samurott
Togekiss
Infernape
Goodra
I love Volo and I wouldn’t mind him being more overpowered if they gave Roserade Giga drain (or energy ball, I don’t know what it can learn in legends) and Arcanine wild charge, Thunder fang, play rough, or even outrage. Just imagine how much more difficult it could be.
Volo is Cynthia ancestor and he is actually stronger than Cynthia.
Yes but maybe someone is stronger than him on future because strategies change, pokemon change and etc
I want to know if they're related or not because for him to have a kid would mean he'd have to relax his zeal a bit. Even a one night stand with someone would be difficult as fierce as he was by the end because he'd have to at least *pretend* to be a well adjusted person.
@@BJGvideos He could be Cynthia’s many great uncle. He could have a sibling who continued the bloodline.
Took four battles and oddly I change 1 member of my team, Kamara for Regigigas, and I didn't even have to used all 6. Lmao.
If you can get Volo to 3 pokemon and you have five you're on track. 5-2 you're going to win. I opened with typhlosion and had froslass, infernape, gastrodon, regigigas and garchomp.
It isn't hard, it just becomes difficult when your opponent switches in and immediately attacks. It starts to feel like harder because we don't get use to battling in this game.
Happy playing and enjoy!
What about Grand Master Grevil?
Like Volo, he “cheats” by using more than six Pokémon (though he front-loads Shadow Lugia instead of having it bring up the rear). And since all seven members of his team are shadow, unless you’re going in with some shadow Pokémon yourself, your entire team will be weak to his (not to mention, three of his other six are also legendary…).
If you are going to bring the GameCube games into the equation the more difficult fight from those games is easily Evice from Colosseum. While Greevil does have 4 legendaries, they are all flying type meaning that they are weak to either ice or electric, while two of his other members are weak to fighting. Evice on the other hand has some of the best type diversity that the series has ever seen. As well as he leads with a Slaking that he skill swaps, getting rid of it’s terrible ability, and he has two of the best pseudo legendaries in the game.
Volo took me by surprise honestly. Though i only needed one try to beat him but that was a very close call.
I beat him in one try, but my pokemon was at 70, and my effort levels were at 9. I also had to use 6 full revives. By the way, Garatina's entrance reminded me of how it came out in Platinum, and it was crazy.
Me too! They gave us unlimited max revives, I'm gonna use unlimited max revives.
How it appeared versus Platinum, gotta say I was a little disappointed that it didn't drip spooky juice everywhere like it did in Pt
Would Cynthia look down at Volo for using a legendary?
Cynthia casually having Giratina in Masters: ara ara
I was genuinely surprised by the plot twist too, since he is supposed to be Cynthia's ancestor. It was kinda great
I fear for people trying to Nuzlock legends and getting to this fight
I'M DOING A BIDOOF ONLY NUZLOCKE LOL
From my perspective, Cynthia would look down on Volo for using Giratina, but not because he is using one. The player is fully capable of catching their own legendary and use it in a battle against Cynthia and she has that same respect for them no matter what. She would be livid about how Volo got Giratina and wants it for.
As far as whose stronger, Cynthia oddly enough, still counters Volo’s team very much, not just because it is nearly the same team as her own. Milotic itself is the exact counter that is has the means to take down parts of Volo’s team and Giratina by virtue of its bulk and ice beam. Most successful runs against Giratina utilize a bulky Pokemon, from Sylveon to Goodra to Cresselia. Cynthia’s Milotic, even without Marvel Scale to amp it’s defense, is an incredibly bulky mon that has the coverage and the love Recover to take out Giratina, with Garchomp and Togekiss in the back to cover Milotic if it goes down.
Volo is a harder battle in-game, but Cynthia definitely has the means to defeat Volo, especially if we use the best version of her team.
How Volo got Giratina was effectively "hey you wanna destroy Arceus with me?" "I was gonna ask you the same thing!" And I feel like Cynthia would admire that on some level since it's an emotional bond and free alliance won not by force but by respect, even if it was for something evil.
Honestly I'd slightly disagree with that fact. If it was DPPT Cynthia, Volo's lucario can set up on Milotic and sweep, but if it's BDSP Cynthia, because she actually has EV's her pokemon, given them all items including a Yache berry to all but guarantee Garchomp lives Any ice attack that isn't a Cloyster skill link icicle spear or a 2 hit Triple axel of a same "lvl" basing off of double hit with some mods Weavil.
It more so comes down to which version of Cynthia we are talking about, not even her team but her as a character and the mechanical understanding of said team
i trusted tbjs man with my LIFE, he helped the player so much and he was just evil the whole time. I literally haven’t felt hurt by a character’s words ever, but when mans revealed everything I felt genuinely betrayed, tbh well done game freak 😥
Giratina having the "Eldritch-ian deity" vibe during this battle only cemented it even more as my favourite Pokemon.
I like how the fight was borderline impossible without overlevellinging you mons. My og team was a samurott, torterra, rapidash, toxicroak, raichu, and a honchcrow. I just resorted to grinding my team up to around level ninety, the most difficult part is definitely the fact that you can't heal in between volo and giritina which is how i failed the most :/
This was the first time I used legendaries in the main story. Had to perfect counter his team then use cresselia to heal spam and tank while I healed up my team.
I used cresselia too lol 😂 and did that same tactic
I didn’t rush through the game so had high level Pokémon. I didn’t struggle at all with this. However if I was on a mission to smash the story I can see how I would have needed to grind to be strong!
Great explanation mystic and happy weekend
I love it that PLA is actually Challenging and the story finale is just soo cool
The fisherman from one of the Pokémon Stadium games finally has a worthy opponent.
My first encounter with Cynthia was in Pokemon Black. I fought her in her beach side house and despite not know who she was or what her pokemon consisted of, I was able to play around my lack of knowledge by switching out mons and capitalizing off of type disadvantage. Volo forced me to do something that few other trainers in the game have ever made me do. Back out of the fight, reset, and build a team to completely counter his mons, while also keeping in mind to keep a mon or 2 that can also counter Giratina. Volo's ability to not just fight you with a full team but also with the back to back Giratina fights make him the most dangerous trainer to date in my opinion
I feel like the way they added strong style and agile style was just for the player to be demolished in the end. Like you're almost done with giratina and so you go for strong style to end it for sure to max accuracy and damage but no there's a second phase which makes you forced to tank at least 2 attacks from giratina. Unless you're spamming max revives you're not surviving the first try
One thing I noticed is that the better your understanding of Strong Style and Agile Style is, the less of a rough time you'll have in this fight. I had an absolutely horrid amalgamation of a Pokémon team, and all of them were the level 67-69, but still I managed to beat the entire thing on my third try, while many try to brute force their way through with overleveled Legendary spam and still tank a multitude of losses.
More than anything, Volo's and Giratina's fight is where speed and a trained understanding in Strong Style and Agile Style comes in, moreso than at any other point in the game (well, I haven't done or seen the Arceus fight, so I wouldn't know about that one atleast). Being able to use Strong Style to finish a powerful enemy Pokémon off before it can do too much damage is just as important as being able to use Agile Style to get a buff in on the same turn as an attack. Further than that, knowing how both Styles can balance eachother out and play off of eachothers weaknesses is by far the most important part.
Even with all that though, this fight is still by no means easy.
And then Giratina mocks you by going Agile Style/Strong Style to finish off your last team.
Also, didn't need max revives at all. Togekiss/Umbreon OP.
I guess technically in isolation just with the Giratina one the end makes it one of the tougher single battles in pokemon. But honestly, the way I played PLA, and how it was kinda fun again to catch stuff, I has so much experience by then, my team just beat him easily. So for me it didn't feel that way, but if I didn't mess around so much before and just went straight there with lower level pokemon, I can see it could have been tough. But the more linear progression of the main series often leaves me at the "intended" level for the bigger fights and I never really just fight or catch wild pokemon for fun, so in someways they felt harder to me.
Power runs in the family blood line bro.
What does that mean for Cogita then?
He's number ONE for me, not just because I had to level up my team SO much just to move first each turn, but ALSO because of his team AND his ridiculously strong Garatina.
One of the hardest battles I had in pokemon and an underrated one as well is giovani in ultra sun and moon's rainbow rocket. not just him - ghetsis and cyrus both having a legendary and a psuedo is pretty challenging as well, sometimes even a mega. I remember defeating lysandrer's mega gyarados and before I could even feel relief he sent out a xernias. plus, guivani's mega mewtew - in whatever version you play - is plain brutal. had to do to poni island to grind some levels solely for him
It took me 3 tries to defeat volo. First, I lost during the first phase, then I lost after Giratina transformed, and then I finally beat him. I found that his Lucario was the most troublesome part of his normal team.
I would like to thank umbreon for being able to tank 2 Aura spheres from Giratina. T'was the real star of my team.
From personal experience, Red was a far, far easier experience than Volo. The main reason Red is even considered difficult for so many people is because of how high level he is. Without intense amounts of grinding you're probably going to face off against Red with a team of at most in the 60s. When I finally took on Red with a team in the mid 70s he was a total cake walk.
Also if you're interested my team was:
Typholsion
Mamoswine
Slowbro
Dragonite
Ampharos
Crobat
Agree on this so much. HG was one of my first Pomemon games ever played (only played Emerald, Diamond, Black 2 and Platinum before it), and he really wasn't that big of a deal. Defeated him first try with no revives.
The past games themselves aren't hard per say, just more grindy (especially HGSS.)
My team was:
Typhlosion
Lucario
Dragonite
Glaceon
Vaporeon
Jirachi
(Really liked Jirachi at the time, so I just used a cheat code to cath it, so no EV, IV, nature and moveset manipulation through PKHeX.)
Honestly, Blue was harder than Red for me.
Since I have importabt exams coming up, I didn't play through PLA, but my griend bought it and called me to help him with Volo. And while I don't consider myself an extremely great player, I do think I'm pretty decent.
But even with a team that covered him pretty well:
Samurott
Infernape
Garchomp
Staraptor
Luxray
Dialga
He was a total menace. Took me 2 tries, but I really had to be careful. Also, despite the friend grinding for grits, I decided not to use them.
Kinda went off track there, sorry 😅
i think the combination of the “on paper” aspect, him having 8 pokemon and they’re all very strong, and the change of battle mechanics makes this an easy answer to me. He is certainly the hardest battle in the series. Now a lot of that answer is up to personal opinion so i’m not saying that as fact, that’s just how i feel. I have never struggled with a battle like i did with volo EVER before.
I've thought about this a lot, and I think there is 1 more big factor to this being so difficult, that being this fight is in a game that revolves so much more around catching Pokémon than battling. There is a new battle system which is never fully explained to you and you have to figure out. Add that with the respectable team of a near Cynthia clone and adding a powered up Giratina using both of it's forms, and this fight is one of the hardest in any Pokémon game.
The trainer battle I compared Volo to when I saw the Giratina segue was actually Greevil. For those who never played Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness, Greevil is the main antagonist, and he starts by throwing Shadow Lugia at you. Once you catch or defeat *that*, he brings out his team of six, including *three more legendaries*, all of whom are also Shadow Pokemon with moves that are universally super-effective against regular Pokemon. The game expects you to try to stop and catch all seven of these Pokemon while they do their best to destroy your team, so it's a bit of a slog to say the least.
it's Cynthia's battle in gen 8 rematch thing is hard she has competitive strategy helpful items and good IVs and EVs so it is hard to beat her even with a team of 100s
I always thought Evice in Pokémon Colosseum was very difficult
Greevil
Just got Arceus a few days ago after my birthday, its been so much fun. I enjoyed it so god damn much. It was beyond fun for me probably the most fun I've ever had while playing pokemon. BUT, when I got to Volo I was so angry at that fight but I never stopped trying even with level 75-80 I still struggled with him. I finally managed to beat him with my starter of Samurott with one finally dark pulse to the dragons face. I was so happy with that I screamed in joy. Pretty I disturbed my parents sleep because of it lmao. I had my very own Cynthia moment with this game, I'm a semi newer fan getting into the series in gen 6, but I still got that dread from that piano but once I won it was the happiest I have ever felt playing this series.
I think the key to making these challenging and memorable fights is to have your opponent break the rule. More than 6 Pokémon, already established field effects, something to get the leg up over the player. I hope gamefreak continues this in future games
It may be my fault to fight him with a team of 90+ level mons (Decidueye, Gardy, Arcanine, Goodra, Ursaluna & Overqwil), it became way easier. But compare to other gens, Volo indeed provide a hell of a fight.
Indeed 😂
yeah i had like really overleveled pokemon so the fight wasn’t super difficult but it was definitely hard
Bro isn’t even a trainer. He’s a WIELDER. As in, they don’t like him. He just *has* them for his own amusement.
Togekiss must like him because she's the same Togepi he had at the beginning of the game. You can tell by the fact that she's female in all 3 battles despite how rare female Togekiss are. Togepi needs friendship to reach the Togetic stage and only after that could she become Togekiss.
i had a full team of level 80 alphas (besides my starter) that was genuinely balanced with good move sets and it still took me over 10 tries (to beat him + giratina) and team substitutions for specific members of his team.
only other trainer to have more than 6 was on gale of darkness but this fight was a whole new level
He must be a VERY powerful young man. I mean how the hell else does he keep his hair up like that?!
He's probably got sticky gobs in that backpack
I beat Volo on my first attempt, really didn´t have any problems with his team. Yeah, his Arcanine was the weak link, I was expecting a pokemon like Goodra instead. Half of my team was overleveled (lv 80) and the other half was in their 70s. The Giratina, on the other hand, was very challenging. In the end I had just one pokemon left, but I wish I wasn't overleveled for this fight, or that he had his team at level 70 something.
I went in with a team at only the 70s and still beat him with complete ease, one or two-shotting all of his pokemon. Then dealing with Giratina in similar ease.
He's just as overhyped for me as Ultra Necrozma was getting two-shot by my Zoroark.
@@chronostc4850 I mean if you destroy a hard boss with a specific pokemon then I think it says more about that pokemon than the boss
@@chronostc4850 what Pokémon were you using?
@@joelcudjoe3833 Ursuluna, Hisui Lilligant, Hisui Zoroark, Hisui Arcanine, Hisui Goodra, and Sneasler; was going for a team entirely of shiny Hisui mons
Volos not overhyped per say but judging by your team you literally have all of the mons that counter him especially that hisui zoarok who counters Giratina easily
The giratina at the end always kills me
even with my max potions and infinite revives
I ended up doing most of the side quests before doing the post game plates so I ended up being ten levels above him and won first try on both him and giratina. Talk about the side quest grind
I beat him on the first try. But it was hard. Giratina was wild, when I realized I didn’t heal I was like O.o
The only trainer to battle 6 vs 6 Pokemon
Would love to see a bracket style ranking of all the champions of every game
I have never thought about your rivels team changing depending on starters
I am glad to say that I made it to the second form giratina on the first try. I used no items and only alpha Pokemon that I just caught. I used a lot of items on the second try and gyarados eventually took the win.
One of the hardest aspects for me was getting hit multiple times in a row without being able to make a move. The way they messed with base stats and priority really screwed me up the entire game
My level 100 Typhlosion died to a pack of Luxray once because they got to use Crunch 3 times each after my first move. Priority and flinch moves are definitely busted in this game
Love the thumbnail.
Evice from Pokémon Colosseum or Nascor and the no heal gauntlet that you have to do before it hands down.
I still think greevil from XD was harder, reason being is that first you have to beat shadow lugia, then you need to beat a team with all the legendary birds in it while also catching them too, because they are shadow Pokémon.
Don’t forget players also had to deal with Strong Style and Agile Style while facing Volo’s team and Giratina. Which is why he is strong to face. Overall even if he didn’t use any of the styles I would still have to say he’s strong plus with Giratina, and no healing.
He forgot to mention the new battle system in PLA where Volo's pokemon, especially Giratina, could go up to 2 or 3 times in a row depending on your moves.
I was an idiot and accidentally put it off forever and my main team was level 100 already. Despite that, I managed to forget to bring ANY HEALING ITEMS for any of this portion of the game after just doing Pokédex stuff. Thankfully belora, my lopunny, still managed to wipe half his team. I was still concerned even with the level difference because I knew there was quite a bit of battling to do at once. Belora also ended up doing the only battling with arceus and handled that easily. Didn’t expect it to be her
You didn't talk about Greevil, the final boss of XD: Gale of Darkness! He's got seven Pokemon too - Shadow Lugia and his main team, which includes all three legendary birds.
You don't get healed after Shadow Lugia (who comes out first like Ghetsis' Kyurem) but if you wipe you don't have to face the Lugia again if you best/caught it.
I was getting frustrated with Volo...then I realized something. His rosearade isn't that strong at least with the party I had and was the last pokemon he put out so after failing beating giratina I made sure to heal and revive while roserade was out then I finally fluked out and beat him. I also increased my pokemons effort values. it kinda forced me to at that point after going the whole game without them.
Ill be honest, I stopped getting stumped and surprised in general by Pokemon for years and years until this Volo+Giratinax2 fight.
This fight was memorable af. And challenging. I thought we could heal after Volo if Giratina were to appear after... boy was I wrong with my like 10hp last pokemon from our many battles hahaha
My Pokémon were in the 50s when I fought him but still ended up on top💯
Personally, the fight against Master Grevil in Pokemon XD is comparable to the Volo fight. Battle a legendary, fight either his main team or the other legends he caught (all of them Shadow Pokemon). Volvo still tougher.
Volo is weak, doesn't have a Bidoof on his Team.
I'll watch this later, but IT FELT LIKE IT
Cynthia: "Buddy, you think you look strong? You cheating with 8 pokemon! You're just a cheap f***ing knockoff."
Volo: "Oh, no. No, no, no. I'm the upgrade."
I actually found the fight really easy. Knocked out maybe 1 or 2 mons but I only had to fight him once and beat him first try. My team was all around level 80 or so but not IV trained
there you go folks. his level 80!
@@renitsukishe8740 it’s pretty hard not to be around that level by that point in the game so yeah my level 80’s lol
I literally lost to him 3 times I still have not beat him I am grinding my team and preparing
I had more difficulty in facing Kamado's full team than Volo's team. Because i had dialga and pialka in my team ,together with level 65 varied type pokemon with varied type attacks, when I faced Volo. I only used one max revive in that fight.
His own descendants out-classes him. Hence why Cynthia will always be the best NPC champion