K24 Drag Cartel DIC Cam Comparison
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- čas přidán 17. 01. 2020
- Tuning by Nick
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
nick@tuningbynick.com
@tuningbynick
EP3 Civic
K24A2 Engine Swap
Drag Cartel DIC - Drop in Cams compared to Stock TSX K24 Cams
Invidia Q300 Exhaust
PLM Header
RBC Intake Manifold
RDX Injectors
Kpro V4 - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Thanks for looking out for the VTC curious fans 👍
I really hope you have a lot of success, you should be famous! Thank you for the content!
Thanks! I appreciate that
That was a cool technique with loading the dyno. I went to school to learn how to tune and I am certified on some platforms. Tuned all of my own vehicles and some friends. Always done on the street though as I have never had a dyno. But knowing of that benefit adds value for me to invest in a dyno. Thanks.
Just use a hill and some weight in the car...👍🏻
Nice to hear the technical details and explanations.
Really loving these videos, keep it up man
Thanks!
Dude you are great! This video so informative and entertaining. Very enjoyable and i use this for my own considerations when engine swapping
Thanks! - Im glad its helpful
Awesome. Thanks for sharing Nick
I'll never get used to that shifter coming through the dash lol. Solid videos dude. I just found you so I'll be watching here on out 🤙
It takes a long time to get used to. It’s REALLY nice having the shifter same height and about a fist length away from the wheel while driving though when you do get used to it. I wouldn’t want it anywhere else at this point.
Nick I love your tutorial videos please make more💯🙌🏽🙌🏽
Thanks - As long as you guys keep liking them - I'll keep making them!
Huge gains!🤘
I love your content bro! very informative.
Thanks! - Much appreciated
Really great vid lots of good info
Awesome info! keep us posted on this EP3
Thanks! - Hopefully will have some updates for this car in spring
@@tuningbynick did the Ep3 owner upgrade his brakes to handle the higher horsepower? Or just kept the stock brake setup?
There is nothing more beautiful to me than when an absolute star of a vehicle wears our provinces plates, Ontario plates are the cherry on top imo
Loving the channel! Subscribed!
Thanks!
Great video man.
Thanks!
Needs a hybrid racing intake! Good video!
Sid Cole - I agree. I wish I had, had something else at the shop to have been able to test.
This is such an underrated civic haha. Such a cool car.
Underrated channel tbh
Thanks!
It's funny looking. But so is the 8th gen. But the problem was the weak k20a3.
Front suspension design as many flaws. U basicaly need alot more caster. Thats why for track, a k20 eg is better
Btw what suspension are you on my exhaust hits the sway bar which burned my rear bumper any idea how much drop would be the right size thanks
looks nice with rsx rims
Hey Nick,
I know this is an “old” vid, just wondering which set of Drag Cartel DICs you used to get to 240hp? I have the same car and almost the same setup and I’m
Just curious. 😇🙏
I’m thinking of putting in the DC DIC on my 06 TSX. I have Hondata, stock headers and VTC. I going to install a modified DC style headers and 2.5” GESI cat and cat back.
What would you recommend for a little bigger street cam, spring, retainers, etc.? I just sent my K24 head to the machine shop and want to wake it up a little. Stock K24A2 bottom end. But I will be doing the Type S oil pump. Also with a bigger VTC but not too much, I don't want piston contact.
Where are you located? My FBo fa5 could use a tune.
Does this cam work with K20a type R with stock ECU? Just wondering since it is called a DIC. Want to know if it would do anything at all without tunes.
How much power do you think it would make if it already had the VTC and then add the DIC cams.
Hey Nick, loving the transparent tuner info you provide. Thanks for the great content.. just a quick question, is this measurement in wheel hp or flywheel hp? Just comparing some results as this is the engine i have, and exactly the cams i want to use. Is it true that the difference between pre-06 model and 06-08 models become almost none existent when using aftermarket cams? Seems like that's the most drastic change on 06-08 models
This measurement should be to the wheels
Thanks! These readings are wheel HP - I would say thats about right, the difference as far as i know is really only the cams
Hey I have a 07 TSX with Ice box, PLM header, 60RS catback, flashpro, ( stock IM since I don't want to lose tq) , I'm gonna swap the oil pump for the K20 while I do timing chain, so I was thinking on doing cams too, what will be better with just bolt ons, the DIC or the 2.2??
Wow those numbers after them cams...😁😁
Do you know where I can buy a ep3 front bumper
Would have been nice if you had a video diy on how you installed the dic cams while the engine is in the car.
My friends at Speed Academy have an amazing DIY, its a better DIY then i could ever do - Heres the link czcams.com/video/txvwWJmxB3U/video.html
I watched this video to find out if I can safely rev a k24 block to 8400rpm using an oil pump from k20a, as I have a K24 with Itr k20 frankenstein I'm putting together. You answered my question toward the end of the video as a likely yes so thank you very much and good luck with the ep3!
Ps I'd read online that the k24 bottom end might not be capable of safely revving toward 8k rpm
I run my Frank with stock k24a2 block with a k20a oil pump with a redline of 8600rpm. Two years and 20,000 miles I have beat it to hell and I just checked compression and everything is solid. 8400rpm is plenty safe with that oil pump.
Just had an eg civic with k24a2 dyno tuned, stock cams, stock pistons and rods and k20 oil pump. Ktuned ram headder and 3" exaust with 80mm tb it mad 230whp and 199.0 tq. Rev limit was set at 8500.
Tony Morris those are some great torque figures! Nice work!
Nice
It is stock k24 valvetrain ?? I see the k24 valve spring was smaller than k20a
Wondering what if you left VTC at 40°all the way to red line?
You should try buddy club spec exhaust 🔥
What throttle body was used?
Yo nick probably a dumb question but would there be a power difference if you’re running a 5 speed instead of a 6 speed ?
technically the HP would not change - but the "feeling" of power would be different because the transmissions have different gear ratios - the 6spd has shorter gears so the engine will feel like it accelerates quicker, making it feel like it has more power
Hey Nick I’m curious to see if going with the drag cartel would affect the mpg? Also when upgrading the rbb cam gear to an rbc would it worth it to get it pinned at 45 degrees or 50 degrees? Would upgrading the exhaust cam gear to an adjustable cam gear be worth it on a stock cam gear or on an aftermarket cam?
With proper tuning you should see no difference in MPG. I have tuned many K24s with just the normal 50VTC wheel with no issues, so i would say no need to pin. I dont think the adjustable exhaust cam gear would be worth the expense and hassle unless youre willing to get it properly degreed
Tuning by Nick thank you nick for reply, I’ll let you know how this goes!!
Hi Nick! Towards the end, you were showing the dyno of what the 40 vtc adds for hp/tq. Is that With or Without the drop in cams? Im curious if I can get away just adding the 50 vtc from rsx s and call it a day. I have jdm k24a, rbc Intake manifold, rsx s throttle body, stock k24a headers. Thank you so much.
Hi - This is with the DIC and the 50* wheel - Unfortunately, just the 50* wheel on its own wont get huge gains without some sort of cam swap
@@tuningbynick vtc 50 degree cam gear can install dc dic camshaft, no any issues???
I'm about to do a k24 swap and was wondering in your experience what the best intake manifold would be for a k24. Forums were saying to keep the rbb manifold to maintain low end torque but some were saying just put in a rbc/rrc. I want to maintain the torque but would also love some extra hp as well
Rsp my friend
Hey nick. I'm a shirt drive from Toronto (orillia) and I'm looking for a place to tune my k24 turbo tsx when I'm done my build. Do you have any recommendations for a reliable place?
Chris Brumm - shoot me an email - nick@tuningbynick.com I can definitely help you out with your project.
Afte changing camshafts need to replace retainers and spring valve ?
Not with the drop in cams he is using.
I have the similar set up on my 8th gen k24a2 ported rbc manifold, skunk2 mega exhaust, short header, upgraded fuel pump running on e85 and it made 230hp on the mustang dyno with the cat. Will it make a big difference if I get the DC stage 3 and upgraded spring?
Take the cat out
If that’s a k24a2 from a TSX, and you installed a 50 degree vtc actuator and bigger cams, wouldn’t that cause your valves to hit the pistons? Even with stock cams?
He doesn’t rotate the cams past 40* advance
Did this still have stock injectors? What was the duty cycle at max power?
It had RDX Injectors - Unfortunately dont recall the IDC, it was awhile ago
Can you use Drag Cartel cams for track racing too or only drag???
Definitely - I have tuned many cars with these DIC's that use them for circuit
Can similiar power be achieved with stock injectors?
Check out my RDX Injector video - I always recommend if you you a shooting for more then 220whp you are best to upgrade the injectors
Did the plm slip on header leak along the joint area?
No leaks yet as far as i know
Ep3 K24 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻👏
Hi Nick, I know this video is a year old but your conclusion near the end is where I want to take my K24. That is: DC DIC, type S oil pump, 40 degree VTC, 8k rev limit. Do you think these cams will need stiffer valve springs to accomplish that 8k rev limit? If so any recommendations for springs and retainers?
You wouldnt need stiffer valve springs with the DIC cams to safely rev to 8K
@@tuningbynick I appreciate the response Nick! Thank you. Love how informative your videos are.
@@tuningbynick would stiffer springs be necessary on a k20z3 revving to 9k with the drag cartel dic?
I'm currently debating on getting these drop in cams or going with Kelford 179-A or Skunk2 Stage 1 cams. All are drop in cams. Would you recommend drag cartel out of the 3? I wanted to make the most power without going stage 2 or higher so I don't have to do any valve train upgrades and such. I have a k20z1 rsx with an Invidia header, Invidia q300, skunk2 pro intake manifold, and a aem cold air intake. Was hoping to hit at least 238-240 with these drop in cams with my supporting mods and a tune.
I would personally do the Drag Cartel DIC cams, they have never disappointing - You should be able to hit your goals with the DC DIC cams
@@tuningbynick Thanks for letting me know! Appreciate it
What vtc gear on the dic? Can you still run a 50?
We used a RSX-S 50* VTC gear but the max we adjusted it to was 40*
hey nick have you ever tuned drag cartel 4.5s in a k24 I got a tune on my motor after building it and the car has a lot of runaway throttle problems its veryyy snappy when you even tap the throttle to the point where I just don't drive it as much as I used to with the stock k24 I was wondering if the lobe mixed with a 80mm tb just makes it not a fun street car thanks also anyone else has any insight on that cam setup id love to hear it and of course nick keep up the awesome content
I haven't had the chance to work with 4.5s yet - My guess is its mostly the throttle bodys fault tho. 80mm is great for power, butt its really big for a "street" car. A TB that big is really hard to drive on the street because it lets in so much air even with just the slightest bit of gas pedal - One thing that sometimes helps is adding a heavier spring to the TB to make it harder to open and to help it close faster to try and prevent the runaway
@@tuningbynick that's a good idea ill have to give it a try and y u hit the nail on the head I think I just stepped over the line of a fun street car to race car lol it made great power tho and its a ripper thank you
nick do you have a video on hondata s300 backfire or crackle like how u did on the Rsx i tried following the tutorial you posted at my discretion i can get it to do it at -4 ignition but i have to feather the throttle which gets very annoying the other settings are not there to allow injector to stay on under no load. any info would help if you dont mind.
You can find the Over run fuel cut delay in the TPS settings - I will be doing a Hondata S300 how to video as soon as i get a good car in the shop to use
@@tuningbynick u wanna use my civic? 97 civic hatchback b16a with bolt ons haha
@@tuningbynick im right here trying to figure this out on the overrun do i set it to zero? on rpm 500,2000,2750,4000?
he tuned my civic with b18c on hondata s300 and it would not go past -4.
the new hondata update does not allow you to retard it anymore than that
czcams.com/video/Z4g6W68EVaE/video.html
i was able to pop small flames with the 2 step tho
czcams.com/video/pYNOJ3ISqRM/video.html
Did you have to modify the radiator support to fit the rbc intake manifold? This is my dream build
We did. It had to be cut a bunch for clearance
Thanks man appreciate the reply I was afraid you were going say that. I’m wondering if a skunk 2 manifold will fit with no cutting
@@ChrisHondaProductions did u find out if the skunk2 manifold require cutting? Thanks in advance
Thank you 🙏
Great numbers! Makes me want to put my ep3 on a dyno! K24a1 with tsx cams and type s oil pump. Maybe around 200whp 😅
ya, i think you should make around 200
Tuning by Nick need a rbc for sure.
On a dynojet with an rbc and good bolt ons you can hit 215 pretty easy. Especially if you use 06 tsx cams. I tuned one that made 203 on a vtec killer k20a3 just with z3 cams skunk2 header 3 inch exhaust.
PrimeGarage how can I get more gains out of my A3
@@st3v3nb915 swap it
Evans tuning said in one of his videos that putting in cams into a K series engine can make tensioner failure more likely. Have you seen this ever happen because of cams? Thanks !
Ive seen lots of tensioner fail - I really like these cams because i have yet to see a tensioner fail with these cams
Tuning by Nick awesome thanks !
This happened to a friend of mine. Skunk2 cams. And worn the teeth on the tensioner and made it skip time and bend valves
George Marris - I’ve seen lots of tensioners fail. But never with these specific cams. Always on more aggressive sets of cams.
How do you get a lopey idle ?
technically you need very aggressive cams to get a lopey idle
What header are you using to clear your ep3 sway with the k24 swap?
The Stock front sway bar had to be removed - You can run a CRV front sway bar instead
@@tuningbynick did you feel handling compromised when removed the sway bar?
@@tuningbynick also one more question what year crv???
For street driving I didn’t really notice any difference.
2003 CRV
Probs get rr3 or rr4
So would it be worth it to swap to dic cams on my k20/24? Currently running the stock z3 cams
I wanted to do just that on my swap
Definitely worth swapping to these cams in my opinion
You should look at the overall goal on the car. If you want a bit more power and dont plan on building the motor later on than these cams are definitely worth it. They give great gains n/a, turbo or even with a kraftwerks kit.
@@MrDelsoleg11 💯
@@tuningbynick how much do these drop in cams cost?
Nick tell the EP3 owner to do the oil pump I wanna see those numbers lol I have the k24a which will be going the same route .. stock with oil pump upgrade and DC Drop in Cams
Hes actually already thinking about doing that - If it happens i will definitely make another video of the results
@@tuningbynick sweet .. looking forward to that .... hurry up! Dont think just do haha ..
Maybe opening up the airflow might be also beneficial and maybe upping the injectors to a bigger CC for more room for you on duty cycle?.02cents.. but I love the setup so far . My only difference on the setup is I'm running 52mm TWM itb setup
Would 40 degrees be safe with these cams on a 04-05 k24a2/jdm k24a?
Yes - 40 is the max I usually adjust these cams to with stock K24 pistons
Awesome man, I appreciate your time.
@@tuningbynick So any bigger cam and you'll have to get a smaller VTC? Like 35°
Can you let us know if you have any timing chain tensioner issues running the cams? NICE GAINS!
Drag cartel dic , dc 2.2 and dc 3.2 cams are all designed to be tensioner friendly
Did you put the k20z1 head on it? Probably the best flowing head
coziFPV - it’s the stock tsx head. The TSX head flows well enough. The cost and hassle to swap this head at this power level isn’t worth it.
I agree with nick. Unless you're using cams with more then 13.5mm of lift and 250+ duration @ 0.050 and trying to squeeze every bit of hp then the hassle of swapping everything wouldn't be worth it especially on a stock block where you're limited on rpms. The k20 head really becomes beneficial at high lifts and high rpm only.
@@MrDelsoleg11 true unless your trying to squeeze every last hp out its not worth it but you could in the future if you change your plans and want more power
@@cozifpv2069 it's a possible upgrade if you plan on building the engine as a whole, but for staying reliable on stock blocks the k24 head is more then enough to get the job done.
Do a cold air intake dyno and see the difference from the short ram ?
The owner of the car has a new intake, he will be back soon to test the results.
@@tuningbynick excited for the next video.
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239whp on a mustang dyno??
Hey nick,
How is the idle with these cams, any different than the OEM cams?
These cams idle and run as smoothly as the original OEM cams
5sp or 6sp??
Its a 6spd - RSX Type S transmission
Stock header?
PLM Header
This car is for sale right now
What fuel?
Pump 94
Great numbers
DONT THINK ALL THAT IS FROM THE CAMS BUD ITS MORE WITH THE VTC
Vtc doesn’t affect peak power.
Don't cam your k its not worth it
Why not?
This is nothing you can't achieve with 06-08 tsx cams. Total scam pay 1000 for that cams
What do you mean
@@adanmata8625 nothing, I just confused whp with hp