I Built A Hybrid Car In My Garage
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2020
- Hybrid cars are a compromise, never delivering the promised "Best of Both Worlds." But I built one anyway. Why? Was it a good idea? How well did it work? All good questions. All answered here.
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You should try to do 24hrs of LeMons. You clearly have a lot of experience with fabricating parts, finding junkyard stuff and creating Frankenstein's vehicles. Especially if you'd managed to bring in hybrid/compete for "best $500 EV".
And the 42 grand in nickles if he wins in an EV.
Get a women
@@jessereed8589 🤣 it's definitely working out for Rich
I forgot about LeMons. It's one of my small aspirations to compete in that someday. I just wanna blow up a junker tbh.
Half-baked & questionably good? Dude, I'm so there. 🤣
+1
same, I got it in my head today to take my old and never built idea of a extremely light weight car and instead of just stuffing a big motor in it, building it as a series 4wd hybrid, then I could use a cheap, small diesel to charge the batteries and provide power to the motors. just enough power that it could cruise at say 70 MPH, and the extra umph of the batteries to double the power or potentially even more. Not exactly the greenest option, but I really like the idea of all the power on tap from a dead stop that electric gives, and the relatively low cost of diesel power for the day to day cruising needs. What I dont know is what kind of losses are involved in the conversion from mechanical to electrical. It may not even be realistic. But I find the idea interesting nonetheless.
Please make a video for someone who is starting from scratch.
@@speedbuggy16v diesel electric is very common in the industrial world. Not sure why it hasn't been done with cars. Maybe weight? You'd need a pretty decent size diesel to do it with a car. Would make it heavy.
SuperFastMatt: Makes a hybrid
Also SuperFastMatt: Unmakes a hybrid
I appreciate a guy who always tells the truth.
I've had the idea of getting a FWD manual Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe, swapping in the rear suspension/diff from the AWD model, adding an electric motor to the diff and keeping the two powertrains separate. It would make for a more involved driving experience, but no extra engine management software is needed and that model can be flat towed.
Dude, in three videos you became my favorite channel on youtube. I so want to do the same project in the future.
It's only a matter of time...😄
And probably not very long.
Looking forward to the next one.
I watched him on lenos garage then just came here. When he said just a matter of time was my own thought as he was saying that.. I went from a 1982 yamaha 750 to a 1984 goldwing and that was tough those first miles. Then i get a 2009 Hayabusa and nicknamed it the "murdersickle".
If you just need reverse, maybe consider a system similar to the Honda Goldwing. Also a factor I didn't see mentioned: a bit of low end torque from the motor can help conserve the little motorcycle clutch. Can't wait to see more!
There's another type of hybrid. "Assist" hybrids use a small (relatively) electric motor to fill in low RPM torque, allow super-smooth engine idle-stop, and allow regenerative braking. They're relatively easy (compared to other hybrids) to implement. All it takes is an electric motor attached to the crankshaft via a belt or chain and of course batteries, power electronics, and a custom ECU. It's surprising they aren't more popular with tuners and DIYers today.
Perhaps more commonly known as "mild" hybrids.
@@ToastyMozartI would like to learn more about this. I have a 2008 toyota matrix. Great work car for my service business. Lots of space and reliable. It would be cool to energize the rear wheels with hub motors and a 4 or 5 kw battery. It would work in unison with the current 4cyl engine configuration. The possibilities.
I started following you after seeing your car on Jay Leno's garage... I had wanted to get something like a Geo Metro 3 cylinder car and put something like the Arctic Cat El Tigre 530 CC liquid cooled 2 stroke engine in place of the stock gasoline motor got.. It's got a lot more power and a heck of a lot more RPM but there are so many people doing snowmobile engines in car that someone lost interest, now I want to get one of the low-speed vehicles and make it a regular Highway Usage vehicle with a better motor and controller and so on and so forth. Most of them come with heat and air conditioning and modifying it to control the temperature and always have the HVAC unit running when it's plugged in would be fairly easy to do.
Your projects have certainly been a large part of my inspiration.
A lot of that was much easier to do before I became disabled, but having MS and being in a wheelchair I think adds to the difficulty level of anything I do.
Not that I expect you to check it out, but I added a power cycle attachment to the front of my wheelchair. It is on my CZcams channel if you do want to look... but I at least wanted to let you know that I enjoy seeing and or hearing about your projects.
I am thinking of building a hybrid car for myself for about 5 years. Last month I talked to an engineer of the German technical inspection (TÜV). He told me that i should forget about it because it is almost impossible to get it road legal here. It would count as fabricating a "new car" and i would have to pass all emissions standarts of 2020 even though the base car is an MG TF of 2003. Pretty dissaponting.
Passing emissions is not hard. You will be using a custom ecu anyway.
@@m0rtifiedpenguin passing normal emissions is easy, I belive he wasnt talking about them. Getting your car past newer emissions test (what car manifacturers go trought) as a normal person is super expensive.
@@AdBul_ manufacturers do that in a rolling road and preprogrammed speeds. Apparently it takes about 15 minutes per run. Same can be done with a portable gas sensor analyser and a real life drive.
@@m0rtifiedpenguin yeah, but its still expensive. If i remember correctly some years back it was 5k€ for them to aprove of your tests for them to be valid.
Safety... 3rd😂
Error: safety not found
Considering that motorcycle engines have lousy low-end torque (and no reverse), the hybrid idea still sounds good. Also, could the motor go in the rear? That might improve the weight distribution. I'd like o see this concept with a better (possibly smaller) motor.
Some motorcycles have reverse. Goldwing for example uses the starter.
I have heard of through-the-road hybrids, but I don't know that I have ever seen a successful example.
Not all motorcycle engines have terrible low-end torque.
Some of the big singles have great torque, compared to their HP.
V twins, parallel twins & big single cyl motorcycle engines make more low end power 🆚 4 small cylinders
So I'm parallel hybriding my van with a Honda pan European v4 engine and a completely unknown forklift motor all going through the vans gearbox and I'm glad to see im not the only nutcase on the planet
Definitely an interesting project. It will probably be less efficient than the original Honda van powertrain, because bike engines are not typically very efficient (too fast, too much performance emphasis).
Why do you need to keep the van gearbox?
@@davidelliott5843 the bike's gearbox definitely couldn't handle the load of driving the van.
@@brianb-p6586 well a pan european is a big bike and is almost build like a car with only 100hp out of a 1.1l and shaft drive and a lot of people even tow with them so i think it will be fine
Nice project any chance you will make a short clip of the setup when finished
Awesome! The first video I've ever seen with NO thumbs down! Fantastic! Good job on your corner scales!
The Honda 600 with a 1000RR R Fireblade driveline sounds so half baked and unquestionably good.
You're quite obviously a smart guy, well smarter than the average Yogi bear at least. These videos are very well done and very well explained, I love that. I also love your very dry sense of humour, that's pretty cool.
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoy the videos!
Very entertaining and interesting video! as an engineer that likes to tinker with cars myself the things you do are awsome!
Thank you SO MUCH for making this video and excellent visual explaining your process. My dream/goal is to retrofit a diesel rwd pickup truck with a hybrid or plug in hybrid, likely by using a similar setup albeit with utility in mind over performance. The used tesla setup seems like it would work great (WITH the right engineer looking at it). The plan is to run the ICE with biodiesel reclaimed from local sources and supplement that with a battery pack that can be charged either by using the engine as a generator or with a solar panel (or just plugged into the wall outlet if I really have to)
We're all about half baked and questionably good. I am so subscribed!
I think, one of the best images is the last couple of "frames", from your Leno roll ....the car goes past & the sun is shining through the car and onto the road. Brill!!!
my ac project on my old honda is to electrify it's power and basically remove the ac load from the engine. might do some other things but it'll be fun.
and i'm def gonna nab up a quarter piece of a volt battery like you did. only need a couple Kwhr of juice for my needs.
Dont forget Kawasaki's supercharged liter bike! Lotta horsepower and they've been out for a few years
Junkyard supercharge the bike engine is a cool idea.
I think he'll want to stick with Honda so the car has some pedigree
Love it. I always wanted to do a homebrew hybrid. My idea was to toss a rear end with like a golf cart motor into the back of a FWD car, and then wire it up to just trigger full tilt anytime the car was at full throttle. 😎
Toyota hybrid transmissions have two electric motors that make decent power and can be slightly overdriven. They are also relatively powerful for their low price
By far my favorite car on you tube. I'm kinda glad it didn't work out. Love your work.
Driving inside a bad drum solo was very funny, thank-you!
Great project! hope to see more.
👍👍😎👍👍. I’m so impressed with how much work went into this failure. Some very crazy ideas are obviously good, and some are clearly not. Thanks for highlighting both.
This was fun. Subscribed!
Just found your channel, really educational and entertaining content! I would like to be like that-getting things done, use by brain, film it all in a nice way and be a bit sarcastic and funny every now and then! Really cool stuff and a lot of knowledge! Keep up the good Work!
Why do I keep watching this channel? I have no garage, no tools, no money…I guess it satisfies my need for failed projects.
1:45 I agree, which is going to lead me to building a kit cobra, seems like a wonderful way to learn.
I luv how explaining... u da best
I was just watching you part 1 and 2 on this car, saw the reverse addressed and wondered "wonder if he thought about a small battery and motor?" being an RC enthusiast. Here's my answer!
11:10
Word of warning; you need a lot of Tesla modules to escape voltage sag, so use them for long range builds, not high power builds
Love your build.... keep going... build another one.....
Still waiting for the RR-R
See if you can find an rsv-4 engine to put in it! And if you're getting a newer bike engine, at least you'll have a quickshifter and blipper compatibility, so you'll only need the clutch for starting and stopping haha. Looking forward to it!
How have I not heard of you bro? You should have way more followers! Great content!
Great video, would love to see more on this car.
This is the coolest video ever.
So, I'm definitely no engineer, but I've always loved the idea of having a truck that would be hybrid 4 wheel drive. I'm not sure how practical it would be, but in my mind it makes sense for the front two wheels to be driven by an electric drive drain and the back by ICE. The idea would basically be to maximize fuel efficiency during a commute, but maximize power when hauling/loading the vehicle. I think this setup would also have a lot of potential in off road applications, since the front wheels would have higher torque while the rear would have higher power. I loved your video man! Its really got my cogs turning. Maybe when I retire I can tackle my dream Tacoma build if Toyota doesn't beat me to it by then 🤣🤣🤣
The Ford Lightning should have been a small turbo diesel / electric hybrid instead of all electric.
I think small EV make sense but not all electric trucks meant for towing/hauling.
Waiting for the engine swap 200 HP lets go!!! loved the video
Cool car and great video. I have a stock Honda S600 and love it👍
Holy shit dude. Love your attitude. I lmao at "this electric motor is a piece of shit"! Lmao haha dude I'm subscribing! Keep it up!
Thanks for sharing
I have always wondered if it would be possible to make the hybrid conversion with a differential. Using it in reverse, two inputs and one output, that way you could make a hybrid^2. And maybe you don't have to worry about the motor RPMs so much. The main problem that I see with such a setup is that if the wheels have to much resistance and the electric motor is powerful enough it could force the engine to run in reverse, which would be a bad day. So it would probably need a ratchet mechanism to prevent that from happening. It would be difficult but interesting to see.
You seem to be describing a power splitter, used as a power combiner. You should look up how Toyota hybrids work - they all use this design.
@@brianb-p6586 Thanks, will do.
Howdy,
Very interesting endeavor. Sorry that the parts were disappointing.
I have a pet project of taking a fwd Oldsmobile Toronado 66 and adding a rear axle with an electric motor, to sort of pretend I get infinite gas mileage in the city, maybe 20 miles range. Your menton of swapping in a used Tesla powertrain may be an interesting other option.
Thanks for the inspiration and keep on trucking (from Gig Harbor)
Man your videos are always good, great idea sorry it was a flop this go round.
The pictured Tesla power train unit has ceramic bearings that no will sell, also has some pretty kludgy looking design elements.
I'm in the planning stages of building a split hybrid solar assisted limousine, the factory LT1 is a solid performer and i've proven can already get up to 30MPG at 55MPH as long as i'm on flat ground with no stops/hills.
What i'd like to do is add a 25KW motor on each front wheel(not currently driven), hang a 50KW starter generator off the front of the engine, converting all of the accesories to electric so i can have start-stop and electric only capabilities. add a 20kWh battery pack under the seats and in the trunk and roughly 1.25kW/h form fitting solar cells to the hood, roof, and trunk
My goal is to have my 8 mile drive from work to home possible on solar alone from all of the stored power throughout the day
I’ve been slowly working up a electric conversion sport bike. I’m stuck on the controller currently. I want a Curtis but I’ve also heard good things about Kelly, and whichever I end up choosing it becomes a problem of money haha. The bike (rolling chassis) I’m using is a 90s Kawasaki Ninja 600 that threw a rod out the side of the block. My motor is a large 9” diameter, 11” long 48VDC unit, pulled from a forklift with a busted transaxle. I also am looking into a Chevy Volt battery, as you’re the third or fourth person with nothing but good stuff to say about them. I’d love to brainstorm with you more about my project. I should probably make a video about it...
For reverse gear without the electric powertrain - couldn't you flip polarity on the starter motor while the trans is in 1st gear, with killswitch active? Pardon me if it already works this way or if the car is too heavy. I recall old Honda Goldwings doing this for reverse.
The starter on this bike engine has a one-way clutch, so that won't work unfortunately.
I ordered sevcon gen 4 size 4 from kit elec shop already programmed for my electric motorcycle. I changed some parameter and software isn't that hard to use. Only thing hard about sevcon is to get motor parameters correct with motor dyno.
U and matt happel are my heroes.
Batteries are for cranking an lights , I love this car with just the bike engine ! I've always wanted to do something like this , lack of money or busy doing something else as usual
Most of your complaints seem to be related to trying to put hybrid technology in a small car that required putting the motor in line with the engine (and behind the transmission at that). I've really been thinking lately about getting a project car like an older 911 4 with AWD, and disconnecting the center driveshaft to put a motor to run the front diff. That would allow the existing engine to power the rear wheels, and even allow software to control the front to rear split. Based on your experience do you think this is possible?
Also love this build, hybrid or not it is great work.
Hybrids are the best type of engines out there, only pros.
Have you considered a cruiser motorcycle drivetrain with shaft drive? Good low end torque for moving a car body and the shaft should be quieter.
A great video, I'm glad YT recommended your channel. I reckon you are reincarnated - in your previous life you designed the Tiger Tank engine.
Cool project. Love the car. It’s awesome you tried this and put your experience out there. The question would be is...... about how expensive was this upgrade you tried? Would be great to have a ball park idea.
I'm bad at keeping track of that sort of stuff, but I want to say about $5k to get the electric part in.
SuperfastMatt thanks for the reply. Cool to know. I’ve thought of doing something like what you did (with a different vehicle) but obviously I got drowned down by the unknowns. I did however build a home built reverse trike powered by a 1200 Suzuki bandit and that project has ran me about $6k. It still has plenty left to do though lol. Thanks again.
its nice to see people outside eruope doing stuff with mopeds
I would love to have a hybrid option for cruising in 88’ Silverado R30 1 ton!
Would adding an electric motor to a divorced transfer case be a workable solution? Thanks for your time, just found your channel love the videos.
I think you and Wesley kagan have the coolest automotive things on CZcams
Maybe an electric motor could be adapted to the back of the differential, a bit like the jet powered differential they used to sell to drag racers. The motor would thus be quieter, and needed rpm range much less. Plus, no chain.
It's hard to enjoy the full potential of an electric hybrid with so little space and the components pretty much in embedded fixed mode, like the transmission inside the engine. A DC brushless system and a high voltage battery pack doesn't need a transmission anyhow. Another option is hub motors inside the wheels for an AWD type setup and the cool electronic differential action. I personally would just make electric and a get home emergency gen or reserve battery pack to switch to like the valve on the bottom of a motorcycle gas tank. I love the quiet and the 100% torque at 1RPM nature of electrics.
Awesome videos. I like the honesty. It helps others not make all the same mistakes and save a ton of time and money.
Love your sense of humor 😂😂😂😂👍👍👍
Someone should do something with an old (early model) corvair. I particularly like the 4 door version. They look like something that came out of a Jetson's cartoon. You can get them super cheap.
Mate Rimac used a chain driver. Koenigsegg used a gm 400 lock up torque converter with an electric motor coupled to where the harmonic balancer lives. Another took an AC X0 motor and coupled it with a supercharger belt. We're all seeing this and we're all trying. Keep up the good work. Get Limor Fried in on this and maybe she could hack something on Arduino. Subbed. Thanks
why couldnt you put the elec motor in the drive shaft with direct drive in and direct drive out . no chains or sprockets
It's only a matter of time before Matt's channel becomes much bigger.
just posting a comment in the hope it helps out in getting your channel more attention
Absolutely love these videos.
Given there is enough space, wouldn't a gear driven 1:1 4x4 transfer case work better for the hybrid coupling?
From my experience even the chains stretch in a 4x4 TC
It could, though I'm not sure there was enough space. A transfer case is designed for one input and two outputs, not two inputs, but I think it would probably be fine since it would also be designed for compression brake forces. If I were to do it again, I would definitely look into this solution more.
@@SuperfastMatt If you want to use a transfer case in some future project, some of them have a PTO provision which could accommodate a motor... but they're all way too heavy for anything like the S600.
Dude your funny, great video!!!
How does the controller match the power and speed of the engine .
is the RPM matched or is it just about power delivery ?
Just power delivery. at 50% throttle, the electric motor is trying to output 50% of its available power
Gates sells polychain GT belts with carbon core. Generally it's direct swap from a chain drive as in same pulley diameter and same width of chain for width of belt. sound is a huge improvement and so is downtime if it fails as long and you have a spare belt.
hi matt i could use your advice on something, where i live there is a model vehicle thats plentiful in junkyards, i personally own an engine (2 actually lol) and want to convert its alternator to a bldc motor, this i dont think has been studied in great detail so how would i go about finding out/testing these to find whats safe etc? knowing a replacement is easily sourced to confirm results.
naturally ill test it in as a controlled manner, bolted to plate steel and distance kept
Snark to perfection.
Would hub motors on the rear wheels have been a viable alternative?
Safety...third. lol so glad I subscribed
I'm glad you finally made a full video diving into the details of making a sandwich, this part really confused me before. Where is the avocado??
Sometimes I wonder how I would make my 3/4 ton pickup a hybrid... I have no idea, but most of the time I think that replacing the transfer case with a motor would make the most sense.
Use the Pto cover
i daily drive a railbuggy (vw) and love the power to weight and handling .... i want to use that supercharged kawi engine or a turbo busa and mate it to my porsche 914(mid engine) trans.... sub 1000lbs 200ish horse 30 foward gears ticket generating machine... your engine is fine change gearing and exhaust to tune for desired powerband.... add turbo...
What about attaching an/two electric motor on the front wheel(s)? That way you could disengage them at higher speeds, meaning you could use one/two with more torque at lower RPM, and you would still have the option of reverse.
I imagine they would be much easier to cool as well, being further in the front and not behind the engine.
I thought about that but there's just no room in this car for anything up front. I wish there were good inexpensive hub motors.
@@SuperfastMatt I worked on a fairly confidential GT hybrid car (1.2 THP 200bhp on the front and twin Yasa P400 for each wheel in the back). We ruled out hub motors, for any kind of power they are too heavy to handle for any reasonable suspension. On a such a lovely small car, I doubt it would be pleasant to drive... Maybe in the back it wouldn't be that bad but on the front it's a no-no.
@@TheThunderwars interesting
"Remember, safety......third" hahahaha
When I've considered how a conversion like this would work I always get a bit puzzled on how the extra power applied to the output of transmission would effect the engine. Wouldn't it effectively rotate the engine at a faster rate. One would be rotating the other? I thought a hybrid system might need a limited slip differential to combine the two motor rotations? I'm not trying to sound like I'm an expert or anything, I just wondered if in my "thought experiment" I had identified a potential issue and thought I would ask someone who has tried this for real : -)
An engines rpm is related to throttle input but also load. That's why you can have wide open throttle all the time while the engine catches up. So in terms of power delivery, having two motors in parallel just means one will reduce the load on the other, but the rpm won't change, as such it just leads to a reduced fuel consumption. When rolling downhill your engine is being spun by the wheels. This is comparable to it being driven by thr second motor and there's no harm when you roll a car downhill
Hey, dont forget the BMWi8!
Nice work Matt, - whadabout hub mounted motors?
So I have a 70 camaro and have been wondering if I could hybridize the front wheels only and the engine power the rea like how the new gen NSX does... but in an ls camaro
How about a motor with shafts on both ends. One end splined directly to the pinion shaft. The other end, of course, to the drive shaft. Motor would have to mount to the differential housing and engine torque would be going through the motor, so some beefiness would be required. This sounds like a big heavy expensive motor, but it could work, and would not need the belt or chain.
Or, a motor coupled directly to the front of the crankshaft. That could work as drive assist, starter, and generator (Like the Bell 206 that I use).
I'm not the first to think up any of this, and I know it's complicated. Clearly that does not stop you.
I looked into this. It would be the ideal setup, but some stress calculations on the available two-outelt motors I found were not up to the task of dealing with the ICE torque. Just based on the shaft diameter. Especially so when multiplied up through the transmission.
@@SuperfastMatt So true. The electric motor would endure the ICE torque on the input end. The output end would handle ICE torque plus the electric motor torque. Probably a lot. How much? Well, it would be fun to drive. I'm thinking a shaft diameter similar to that of the the pinion shaft, because I don't see that breaking. That's how I like to do math. Here's another way to consider it, though: I was once asked how big a differential needs to be for a given amount of power. The answer lies not with the engine, but with the mass of the car. That's why trucks need bigger gears even though they have less power than say a muscle car. Your little car is not pushing a bus. Still, such a mystery motor might not fit anyway.
Would that setup that you made charge the battery from the engine power? I want to make an LS performance hybrid and I’ve got a ton of questions but this video was a great help. Thanks
6:15 your motor mount looks like it will strain several degrees out of alignment. More web, fasteners further apart! The motor should have a rear bearing support!
Cool build, very interesting that you've worked for tesla before. 🤔👍🏻
that was actually a think i always wanted to know. can you build a hybrid? Thanks for answering that. Just a question. Ive seen peopel use electric motors like superchargers. I know it kinda defeats the purpose because you cant drive the electric engine independent. But i like the idea that you can use an electric motor and maybe with the strongest ac clutch you can find. you could disconnect it and reconnect it to minimize the drag of the ac Motor. I subbed thanks to that video btw. i really enjoyed it.
I just picked up a Mitsubishi imev electric car and the running gear would be perfect and easily converted to your little micro Honda I suggest keep your eyes peeled for one of these 2012 Mitsubishi electric vehicles
The kit they made for an LS but I assume it was just a bolt in thing thru the front pulley so it can add power or make power when the motor isn't really but aside from one video I haven't heard much about it
Like to hear your warts and all. So 1) look at "silent chain", notable for use in ship transmission, higher %....and is the form of chain often used in overhead cam, and factory automation 2 ) look at Cedric Lynch pancake motors, the design has been used in Isle of Man racers, it's got a laminate optimisation structure. Send me a contact.
Honda S600 FIREBLADE
Now that is a fucking rad sounding name for a car.
my dear you ve got the bugget but you need the right way to do it lol
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I knew the volt batteries were power dense but 40c in short bursts ...
If you stack two 2018 volt packs and remove some of the capacity limits you get to 38khw, at 40c that's 1520kw which is.....very scary
I have no background in engineering or science, but I have a shit ton of half-baked ideas that keep me up at night 🤣🤣🤣🤣