Who doesn't want to throw farther? Dave Dunipace, co-founder and president of Innova, shares a key component of getting more distance on your throws-the Tip of the Whip.
I kept straining my shoulder and getting inflammation until I watched this video and realized I was throwing completely wrong! I was muscling the disc! Now I throw 50 ft to 100 ft further and injury free! Thanks Dave! You're the man!
What exactly did you change after watching this video? I don't deal with a ton of soreness, just the usual amount for being 42, just trying to figure out a way to add some speed and power to my throws. I feel like the biggest issue I have is that I feel like I'm not following through enough. Most of the high level players that I've seen usually finish with their left shoulder forward, sometimes facing their throwing target. I feel like I end up my release with my body facing forward and my throwing arm directly out to the side. I'm doing what many would call 'short arming' my throws. Common sense would tell me to just find a way to pivot more during my throw, but when I make a conscious effort to do so I completely throw off line, usually releasing late and pulling the disc way right of target. A lot of people describe throwing a disc much like snapping a towel or cranking a lawnmower but frankly I never feel like I get either of those when I throw and I'm not sure what to change to get that type of snap or action.
Every time I see a video with this man in it, I can't help but feel like I'm hearing from the great and powerful OZ. I wish there was a Dunipace Channel just to listen to his stories and hear all the cool wisdoms he might share. Seeing this pop up on my recommended made my whole day, thank you, sir. Ps, I'mma go out and crack that whip, sir. Respect for the next level graphics, the really help to understand.
Seeing someone lay this out in an easy to use and understand graphic makes it so much easier. I will have to watch this a few dozen times to fully comprehend it, but it was a great video.
Well Dave, you have nailed this topic in so many ways. I listened to your advise 20+ years ago and developed a "riding a bike" style of throw that provides consistent power and accuracy. With today's disc technology, I am throwing (Innova plastic) further every day.
After over thirty years of playing, and more recently studying the pros on you tube, I just wanted a top down view of what they were doing on their drives. Now I see your video and it confirms what I was suspecting. It isn't grip, or reaching back, or proper foot placement, that I wasn't doing correctly. It was the whip! It is why my forehand way out drives my back hand with ease. Time to get out to the course and use this new knowledge. From one old veteran to another, thanks!!!
Such good advise. It’s helped me so much in my game, and how my body feel afterwards. Wish I would of watched this when I learned to throw, save me three years of poor disc golf.
I learned this late 2018 and have since been throwing 50-100 feet further on average. I saw how rick really keeps the disc close and picked it up from him.
I disagree, as I had a hard time deciphering what the last, uniquely green point in the birds eye view was supposed to represent. I couldn’t tell where the player’s hand ended and the disc began; the shades of gray were too similar. I get the concept though now, ya high has taken me a couple years worth of getting the sling effect down first. For me this whip effect works with mid ranges and only one specific driver: a Westside Seer. Otherwise, I am perfectly happy and satisfied throwing my Banshees and Leopards with a sling pivot, but that’s just me. All in all, I think the graphics are a great effort too, but if only it had more resolution! No amount of brightening my monitor helped and I’m not colorblind either.
I think I got it! Be slow on the pull forward and when your at the pwer pocket and turning then go faster. Not at the beginning of the pull but near the end. What a different feel, and I don't feel back pain that I used to when I would try to tighten uo and rip so hard at the beginning of the pull. Massive game changer.
Wow soo insightful thanks Dave!! I love the body graphics... About every 3 months or when I hit a point where I'm just not getting any better I go back to these kind of videos and just take it in so that I'm more cautious about stuff like this! Thanks!!!
I finally understood what snap/whip was tonight while in the field. I was really trying to force the disc out with power instead of relaxing and letting my arm "uncoil" for lack of a better word. Now i just need to fix footwork and timing.
Love the overhead grayish colored graphic! Nice. And good video! I don't feel like I have any "whip" or "snap" to my release. I'm curious about the part where you said that the wrist stops. I'll be toying with that when I get back out there! Thank you! : )
Stand up straight and rotate your hips back and forth, to your left and then to your right and repeat. If your arms are relaxed they will flail around. Transfer your weight from trail to lead foot and rotate your hips. With some rhythm you can whip your own hand in front of you. That's all it is. It's not about muscling anything. It's about creating seperation between your lower body and your upper body (winding up) and unwinding like a coil.
Norman Wall you’re wrong the reach back is essential for max distance throws. Look at all the pros now a days. Extending your arm all the way back gets your hips and head turned back further, thus generating way more torque when you rip the disc.
Very good. I like the graphical technique of evaluating the "whip", ie. showing it at slow and normal speed. Having that information can help deduce "whip" speed, or "tip" speed. So if the arm reachback and arm speed coming through aren't the most important thing, and the whip speed is, can't we analyze some of the top thrower from an above view, as seen here, and determine the whip speed of the top throwers? That my friend, would be some pretty good fodder.
The level of sass Dave has when talking about “reach back” kills me haha this is def an intermediate to advanced technique btw. This should only be introduced AFTER solid fundamentals are cemented into your form. 8 months ago i decided to try this and it made my form even worse. After correcting A LOT of bad habits and having solid fundamentals, i started using this “tip” (lol) and immediately noticed the disc having acceleration out of my hand.
This top down grid view looks very important, i like it. Is there a tool that uses it as a throw indicator? Load up your throw on it to see how you go compared with ideal throws? That would be a great training tool.
I use both sling and whip. Once you reach back it’s like a rubber band until you hit the power pocket, it becomes a whip and cracks after you pull your hips through
Well at least the graphics were helpful. I dont agree with taking Seppo as example and extrapolating from there, he is like the only top pro with so little reachback. Works for him, but most people have a clear reachback.
Totally agree with you, Seppo has a unique throwing style. If i were to teach how to putt, I wouldn't necessarily advice you to copy Ricky Wysocki, even though he is one of the best at it :D
@SirVixIsVexed yes, however, each person is different. Its helpful to see what the vast majority of players do because they do it for a reason. Very talented players can get away with doing things that aren't the most efficient.
I think the point is not so much not to reach back but that it isn't the most important part of your throw. If you can throw far without a reach back then you can be sure you're throwing with proper mechanics from the hit point on.
YESSSSS. Thank you. This is gonna be huge for me. I've been throwing drivers with my hand basically as far away from my body as it would be if i threw a baseball lol
Dave, I’m 63. Just started playing disc golf 2 years ago. Hurt my right shoulder, started throwing left handed. Hurt my left shoulder. I get to start throwing next week again (nothing permanent on the injury). So, from one old guy to another, how can you still play? Do you only give it 50%, exercises, diet, play only once every other day or twice a week? I was addicted and played every day at lunch; there is a DG park only 5 min. from the office. And a full 18 at least one day on the weekends. I want to play, but will stay stopped if it causes injury. Thanks Dave. Live long and prosper!
William, I'm no Dave D., but for what it's worth...here goes. If it matters to you, I am an MP60 State Champ, have studied 100s of Disc Videos and talk shop and injuries with over a dozen quality 50+ players regularly. I would advise you to take an 'All in' approach. That means all the things you mention (sometimes throwing 50%, diet, playing every other day, exercises)...... Also a few other things. Take up Forehand or play both left AND righty. That lets you work on having your clockwise and counter-clockwise torque be about equal!.... When you do field work, limit that torque. You might only throw 50 upshots one session. Then throw only 35 mids another day. Then 25 fairway shots. And then only 15 full drives. That also helps focus on learning from each full shot...an added bonus....... Do DG specific stretchs. Try getting more glide out of slower discs with cleaner releases. It's almost like a 'Zen of DG for OGs' kind of thing. Go 'all in' on all the things that keep you in the game....and have fun out there.
I'm new to the game, I've been playing for almost a year and I have been struggling to get out past 320'. I will try this and see if I can beat that mark. Thank you for the great advice.
This is some good stuff! I've been playing 4 yrs this month and my farthest throw is 390' With this technique hopefully I can get in the 400' plus club fairly soon! Good vid!👍
I was using “Danny L” videos for the last maybe 5 years trying to break 350ft only to never have anything work. Literally 3 rounds after implementing what I learned in this video I was hitting c1 in reg on local 400ft holes. Idk who Danny is or why I ever even thought I should listen to that guy in the first place..... Vet > Nerd
Informative and Great explanation, Innova Tive:) im curious how you broke down the whip component in the end and how you figured it adds mph from 60 and up:) videos like these are gold for Innova fans:)
Should i focus on my hips or will my shoulders dictate what my hips should be doing. Or is it the opposite? Should my hips dictate what my shoulder are doing?
@@stevetreehots3583 sorry for the late reply! It might just be my (lack of) understanding, but even top players giving clinics and the like talk about reaching back and timing it right.
You are right. New pro players out there know what they’re talking about. You need to reach back you get so much more torque with your hips. As soon as I implemented the reach back into my drive I was getting 50 ft or more on my throws. Every sport evolves over time seems like old man is stuck in the past. Just how everyone used to think push putting was the best way to putt
Some pros advice is to reach back as far as possible to get good distance. This might work for some people but as Dave is pointing out, almost all of the acceleration is taking part in the latter part of the throw. That is why there are guys like Seppo, Emerson Keith & Severi Saviniemi throwing elite distance without reaching far back.
@@WickedRC I disagree. I used his advice and his other video "Pivot and Pop" this morning and birdied six baskets that I never had before because it added a good 50-60 feet on my drives.
I suspect this advice will work for me just like every other dg tutorial video I've watched. It all makes perfect sense. I take it to the field. Throw 100 times. And don't add 3 feet to my distance. It makes my heart sad. :(
Video yourself throwing. It's the only real way to improve. Simon lizotte has a great video on form analysis. I suggest you watch that video. And don't try and fix everything at once. It Starts with proper footwork and you work your way up from there. I wouldn't recommend anything you see in this video. No disrespect to dave but this video is going to create a lot of inconsistency in your game
Should the moment when the pop happens be right before, the same or right after the front foot weight stamps into the ground? What is the ideal timing of this?
I think tight core and loose arm maybe the answer. Trying to keep the arm loose and go along for the ride is hard though. I try to throw with my arm too much and I'm sure its why I've maxed out at 290 to 300ft. in a back hand.Theres no rushing in Paul McBeth's RHBH. So synched.
This is confusing. I understand you don't have to reach back...but as a beginner I NEED to reach back as I'm NOT stepping...I'm still standing still and throwing. Video clearly shows he does reach back, but as he's x stepping.
he is using a "reach back" its just not reliant on it for distance. It's more so a timing thing. hes not saying no reach back because any distance not in front of you would be a reach back.
Oof physics mistake is there, the acceleration is linear for the first grpah he said acceleration increases. Second graph the acceleration does increase
"It's all in the hips". But seriously. I think the first real breakthrough i had was letting that follow-through happen. Allow your hips to move. Stiff back and hips=less than 100 feet! Lol. And throwing the leg just like a baseball pitcher
I always appreciate that Dave will praise players even if they aren't sponsored by Innova.
I was just looking to see if anyone commented this! I love that about people!
Iirc seppo was sponsored at one point by discmania, so he would have sorta been sponsored by innova (theyre molding his discs)
@@jacksonpalmer8955 Discmania sponsored players have nothing contractual going on with Innova. Not Latitude or Yikun either.
I wonder if Dave just woke up and decided "Ima drop a knowledge bomb on these kids" and then this video was filmed.
I wish he would have used the word YoungBlood. Like....'What you YoungBloods don't understand is it's all about the whip.'
@@steverogers6867 Whippersnappers
malarchy
You think Dave says, Ima?
“Those darn no good millennials”.
I kept straining my shoulder and getting inflammation until I watched this video and realized I was throwing completely wrong! I was muscling the disc! Now I throw 50 ft to 100 ft further and injury free! Thanks Dave! You're the man!
This read like a paid testimonial from JG Wentworth
😂
What exactly did you change after watching this video? I don't deal with a ton of soreness, just the usual amount for being 42, just trying to figure out a way to add some speed and power to my throws. I feel like the biggest issue I have is that I feel like I'm not following through enough. Most of the high level players that I've seen usually finish with their left shoulder forward, sometimes facing their throwing target. I feel like I end up my release with my body facing forward and my throwing arm directly out to the side. I'm doing what many would call 'short arming' my throws. Common sense would tell me to just find a way to pivot more during my throw, but when I make a conscious effort to do so I completely throw off line, usually releasing late and pulling the disc way right of target. A lot of people describe throwing a disc much like snapping a towel or cranking a lawnmower but frankly I never feel like I get either of those when I throw and I'm not sure what to change to get that type of snap or action.
Same 🤙🏼🥏
Dave has been preaching about the physics of the long throw for many years. Fortunately I started listening to him a long time ago!
Every time I see a video with this man in it, I can't help but feel like I'm hearing from the great and powerful OZ. I wish there was a Dunipace Channel just to listen to his stories and hear all the cool wisdoms he might share. Seeing this pop up on my recommended made my whole day, thank you, sir.
Ps, I'mma go out and crack that whip, sir. Respect for the next level graphics, the really help to understand.
Xander Zaretzit it’s called the Bible. It has much knowledge from farmers to kings.
Seeing someone lay this out in an easy to use and understand graphic makes it so much easier. I will have to watch this a few dozen times to fully comprehend it, but it was a great video.
Well Dave, you have nailed this topic in so many ways. I listened to your advise 20+ years ago and developed a "riding a bike" style of throw that provides consistent power and accuracy. With today's disc technology, I am throwing (Innova plastic) further every day.
Seppo Paju throws backhand drive so smooth. Great video Dave!
eagle McMahon is better
@@selmanjawed4479 Yes Eagle is better but still Seppo's drive throw is smoother.
@@selmanjawed4479 who asked?
Seppo is very close to a fully extended reach back, watch him in SLO mo
@@EzraAderholdDG it looks that way because of the amount that he winds up.
when did he stop making jurassic park to teach disc golf?
(incoherent)
Dinosaurs exstinction happened again.
😂🤣
He spared no expense in making this video
@@labossgrouprealestate7655 then you are missing out on some of the best comedy of your life
After over thirty years of playing, and more recently studying the pros on you tube, I just wanted a top down view of what they were doing on their drives. Now I see your video and it confirms what I was suspecting. It isn't grip, or reaching back, or proper foot placement, that I wasn't doing correctly. It was the whip! It is why my forehand way out drives my back hand with ease. Time to get out to the course and use this new knowledge. From one old veteran to another, thanks!!!
Could use a description or demonstration of the difference between the sling and the wip.
I feel like that is the only thing this video lacks. Audio = tell, video = show. Some examples would be great.
That is what is meant by reach back. Not literally reaching back, but rotating the shoulders.
The most helpful video I’ve seen on CZcams. Short sweet and discusses something missed by physics of flight and other tutorials
Just started disc golf, so very happy to come across this easy to understand video. Thanks so much!
Woah... don't think i've watched a 'how to video' that has made me this excited to do fieldwork asap..
It’s been a year since this comment, any visible improvements?
@@carter50211 ^^
Been awhile since I’ve seen something like this from Dave, thanks.
This is one of the most informative and enlightening form breakdowns I’ve seen. Great stuff!
Such good advise. It’s helped me so much in my game, and how my body feel afterwards. Wish I would of watched this when I learned to throw, save me three years of poor disc golf.
I learned this late 2018 and have since been throwing 50-100 feet further on average. I saw how rick really keeps the disc close and picked it up from him.
Jay Nims do you skate too? Wondering because I skate and disc
@@jamalydude for sure my man, repping East Dallas disc golf and Skating
@@chasitynowicki8099 Best steak I ever had was in Dallas at the Texas Land and Cattle Co., drove down from Ft Sill for a long weekend years ago
This unlocked everything for me! Really well explained and the top down view with the graphics are magical!
How?
@@elgenfranord1651 By looking at the video..
@@epicon6 i did not understand i have tried this did not work
@@elgenfranord1651 It's takes a lot of practise. Watch more tutorials and practise.
graphics are very helpful! nice work, guys.
Agreed! It's the visuals that help me understand the instructions better.
I disagree, as I had a hard time deciphering what the last, uniquely green point in the birds eye view was supposed to represent. I couldn’t tell where the player’s hand ended and the disc began; the shades of gray were too similar. I get the concept though now, ya high has taken me a couple years worth of getting the sling effect down first. For me this whip effect works with mid ranges and only one specific driver: a Westside Seer. Otherwise, I am perfectly happy and satisfied throwing my Banshees and Leopards with a sling pivot, but that’s just me.
All in all, I think the graphics are a great effort too, but if only it had more resolution! No amount of brightening my monitor helped and I’m not colorblind either.
I love that he uses Seppo as an example! His form has always mesmerised me.
The reach back just helps me draw a line in my head for the throw
I think I got it! Be slow on the pull forward and when your at the pwer pocket and turning then go faster. Not at the beginning of the pull but near the end. What a different feel, and I don't feel back pain that I used to when I would try to tighten uo and rip so hard at the beginning of the pull.
Massive game changer.
Finally a video from a top view. Now. I can better see the biomechanics of the throw.
That last bit was the most helpful for me. About letting the disc roll off your wrist and aiming down your finger.
Wow soo insightful thanks Dave!! I love the body graphics... About every 3 months or when I hit a point where I'm just not getting any better I go back to these kind of videos and just take it in so that I'm more cautious about stuff like this! Thanks!!!
Best video on a throw I’ve seen yet. Thank you.
Note the wrist flexion and ulnar deviation, just like Seppo, its key.
Welp time to head to the park to practice! Thanks Dave!!!
I finally understood what snap/whip was tonight while in the field. I was really trying to force the disc out with power instead of relaxing and letting my arm "uncoil" for lack of a better word. Now i just need to fix footwork and timing.
Love the overhead grayish colored graphic! Nice. And good video! I don't feel like I have any "whip" or "snap" to my release. I'm curious about the part where you said that the wrist stops. I'll be toying with that when I get back out there! Thank you! : )
Physics is awesome when you’re learning about disc golf
The best explanation I have both heared and seen 👍
Finally a good explanation, thanks you
Hey there whipper-snappers, forget this reachback mumbo-jumbo. The whip is where it's at!
Why do you live? No. Just no.
Stand up straight and rotate your hips back and forth, to your left and then to your right and repeat. If your arms are relaxed they will flail around. Transfer your weight from trail to lead foot and rotate your hips. With some rhythm you can whip your own hand in front of you. That's all it is. It's not about muscling anything. It's about creating seperation between your lower body and your upper body (winding up) and unwinding like a coil.
Dave, Great video. Back spin in table tennis is the same. The flick of the wrist generates amazing backspin, far greater than you can with your arm.
Norman Wall you’re wrong the reach back is essential for max distance throws. Look at all the pros now a days. Extending your arm all the way back gets your hips and head turned back further, thus generating way more torque when you rip the disc.
@@WickedRC but you can get your hips and shoulders in the same position without a reach back, which was his point.
Karpolla on asiaa
😂
Very good. I like the graphical technique of evaluating the "whip", ie. showing it at slow and normal speed. Having that information can help deduce "whip" speed, or "tip" speed. So if the arm reachback and arm speed coming through aren't the most important thing, and the whip speed is, can't we analyze some of the top thrower from an above view, as seen here, and determine the whip speed of the top throwers? That my friend, would be some pretty good fodder.
The level of sass Dave has when talking about “reach back” kills me haha this is def an intermediate to advanced technique btw. This should only be introduced AFTER solid fundamentals are cemented into your form. 8 months ago i decided to try this and it made my form even worse. After correcting A LOT of bad habits and having solid fundamentals, i started using this “tip” (lol) and immediately noticed the disc having acceleration out of my hand.
Awesome; thank you.
This top down grid view looks very important, i like it. Is there a tool that uses it as a throw indicator? Load up your throw on it to see how you go compared with ideal throws? That would be a great training tool.
I use both sling and whip. Once you reach back it’s like a rubber band until you hit the power pocket, it becomes a whip and cracks after you pull your hips through
Well at least the graphics were helpful. I dont agree with taking Seppo as example and extrapolating from there, he is like the only top pro with so little reachback. Works for him, but most people have a clear reachback.
Totally agree with you, Seppo has a unique throwing style. If i were to teach how to putt, I wouldn't necessarily advice you to copy Ricky Wysocki, even though he is one of the best at it :D
@SirVixIsVexed yes, however, each person is different. Its helpful to see what the vast majority of players do because they do it for a reason. Very talented players can get away with doing things that aren't the most efficient.
I think the point is not so much not to reach back but that it isn't the most important part of your throw. If you can throw far without a reach back then you can be sure you're throwing with proper mechanics from the hit point on.
Agree
Matty O is another one of those guys that has a weird wind up with not much reach back too.
He spared no expense.
To me the end of the throw is the easy part. The hard part is setting up the body in a way that allows for a good whip.
Slow your steps. No run-up necessary. ©D
NINJA SKILLS!! Thank you sho'doshi.
Most useful tip yet
This is fantastic. Thanks Dave. I think I'm going to try an overhead video like this to check my form.
YESSSSS. Thank you. This is gonna be huge for me. I've been throwing drivers with my hand basically as far away from my body as it would be if i threw a baseball lol
We need moaar of this! Let’s go Dave!
Excellent video. Awesome hat, too!
At a glance, I thought the title of the video was “how to throw father.”
That is true... use your shoulder not your arm for whipping. Same as what Seppo Paju did. Smooth and Far!...Thank you Sir!- 🇫🇮👍
Dave, I’m 63. Just started playing disc golf 2 years ago. Hurt my right shoulder, started throwing left handed. Hurt my left shoulder. I get to start throwing next week again (nothing permanent on the injury). So, from one old guy to another, how can you still play? Do you only give it 50%, exercises, diet, play only once every other day or twice a week? I was addicted and played every day at lunch; there is a DG park only 5 min. from the office. And a full 18 at least one day on the weekends. I want to play, but will stay stopped if it causes injury. Thanks Dave. Live long and prosper!
William, I'm no Dave D., but for what it's worth...here goes. If it matters to you, I am an MP60 State Champ, have studied 100s of Disc Videos and talk shop and injuries with over a dozen quality 50+ players regularly. I would advise you to take an 'All in' approach. That means all the things you mention (sometimes throwing 50%, diet, playing every other day, exercises)...... Also a few other things. Take up Forehand or play both left AND righty. That lets you work on having your clockwise and counter-clockwise torque be about equal!.... When you do field work, limit that torque. You might only throw 50 upshots one session. Then throw only 35 mids another day. Then 25 fairway shots. And then only 15 full drives. That also helps focus on learning from each full shot...an added bonus....... Do DG specific stretchs. Try getting more glide out of slower discs with cleaner releases. It's almost like a 'Zen of DG for OGs' kind of thing. Go 'all in' on all the things that keep you in the game....and have fun out there.
@@robinmclean8779 Thank you for the info! William
It's more of a snap at the 'end' of the throw or putt. A good wind-up can help, but focus more on the instantaneous snap at the end.
Think of Bruce Lee's 1-inch punch.
I'm new to the game, I've been playing for almost a year and I have been struggling to get out past 320'. I will try this and see if I can beat that mark. Thank you for the great advice.
Let us know how it goes Justin
@@InnovaDiscGolf I will. Going out to a field this weekend with some friends and I will put this to use
This is some good stuff! I've been playing 4 yrs this month and my farthest throw is 390' With this technique hopefully I can get in the 400' plus club fairly soon! Good vid!👍
I was using “Danny L” videos for the last maybe 5 years trying to break 350ft only to never have anything work. Literally 3 rounds after implementing what I learned in this video I was hitting c1 in reg on local 400ft holes. Idk who Danny is or why I ever even thought I should listen to that guy in the first place..... Vet > Nerd
I learned a lot from both Danny and Dave.
Thank you Dave. Thank you so very much.
Most pros: reach back is the most important thing.
Jurassic Park guy: You don't have to reach back.
🤔
Reach back shouldn't be used as a term in disc golf because it describes the movement in a wrong way
I think he had one too many beers to drink. He needs to attend AA.
Never once have I heard any pro say "reach back is the most important thing". Never
Informative and Great explanation, Innova Tive:) im curious how you broke down the whip component in the end and how you figured it adds mph from 60 and up:) videos like these are gold for Innova fans:)
I would be interested to hear what the normal progression is for beginners.
"you don't have to reachback. you're just going to comeback anyway...but you can if you want if it makes you feel good."
Rip a drive old man
Show some respect.
Thanks Dave! gonna go up technique this in some field training! If you got anymore tips of knowledge please share!
he's the "how to throw"-father I never had
4:04 “..and then it bounces off of your fingers down field *FWWAK* like that.” Freaking awesome
Thank you sir, great video.
Dave breaks it down the 👌
Should i focus on my hips or will my shoulders dictate what my hips should be doing. Or is it the opposite? Should my hips dictate what my shoulder are doing?
I actually found this a little less helpful than other videos and it seems to contradict advice given by pro players known for distance.
What does it contradict exactly?
@@stevetreehots3583 sorry for the late reply! It might just be my (lack of) understanding, but even top players giving clinics and the like talk about reaching back and timing it right.
You are right. New pro players out there know what they’re talking about. You need to reach back you get so much more torque with your hips. As soon as I implemented the reach back into my drive I was getting 50 ft or more on my throws. Every sport evolves over time seems like old man is stuck in the past. Just how everyone used to think push putting was the best way to putt
Some pros advice is to reach back as far as possible to get good distance. This might work for some people but as Dave is pointing out, almost all of the acceleration is taking part in the latter part of the throw. That is why there are guys like Seppo, Emerson Keith & Severi Saviniemi throwing elite distance without reaching far back.
@@WickedRC I disagree. I used his advice and his other video "Pivot and Pop" this morning and birdied six baskets that I never had before because it added a good 50-60 feet on my drives.
Didn't understand the difference between a sling and a whip
Wish this man was my grandfather
Keep whipping those discs!
"Tip of the whip, so to speak" sounds like good advice for some beginner BDSM too.
LOL 😂
I love to whip my Boss, she loves it 😉
I suspect this advice will work for me just like every other dg tutorial video I've watched. It all makes perfect sense. I take it to the field. Throw 100 times. And don't add 3 feet to my distance. It makes my heart sad. :(
I can identify with that. Then I'm sore the next day. :(
Video yourself throwing. It's the only real way to improve. Simon lizotte has a great video on form analysis. I suggest you watch that video. And don't try and fix everything at once. It Starts with proper footwork and you work your way up from there. I wouldn't recommend anything you see in this video. No disrespect to dave but this video is going to create a lot of inconsistency in your game
@@MrOKCThunderfan Thx for the advice. I'll give it a try.
Should the moment when the pop happens be right before, the same or right after the front foot weight stamps into the ground? What is the ideal timing of this?
Back to he drawing board... 🤦
Are you supposed to release the disc or is the disc supposed to rip out of your hand?
I think tight core and loose arm maybe the answer. Trying to keep the arm loose and go along for the ride is hard though. I try to throw with my arm too much and I'm sure its why I've maxed out at 290 to 300ft. in a back hand.Theres no rushing in Paul McBeth's RHBH. So synched.
This is confusing. I understand you don't have to reach back...but as a beginner I NEED to reach back as I'm NOT stepping...I'm still standing still and throwing. Video clearly shows he does reach back, but as he's x stepping.
I’ve never wanted someone to throw a frisbee so badly
Dave - "Now watch me whip. Now watch me nae nae."
Does anyone know what disc he's holding? Doesn't look like an Innova to me, but I'm not familiar with their _complete_ line...
Thanks, will try it out
Technically detailed.
Love it!
Dunipace done did it now
I am no expert by no means but it looks to me that the guy is using a reach back, am I wrong?
he is using a "reach back" its just not reliant on it for distance. It's more so a timing thing. hes not saying no reach back because any distance not in front of you would be a reach back.
Legend
Love it ....Thanks Dave !
Thank you!!!
I always thought that thin people have an advantage because they can use their arm like a whip. Less mass to move and can get more speed.
So is this the wrist pop?
Oof physics mistake is there, the acceleration is linear for the first grpah he said acceleration increases. Second graph the acceleration does increase
"It's all in the hips". But seriously. I think the first real breakthrough i had was letting that follow-through happen. Allow your hips to move. Stiff back and hips=less than 100 feet! Lol. And throwing the leg just like a baseball pitcher
Two things I’m gonna learn from this guy . First how to throw further . Second how to bring back dinosaurs lol
You dont have to reach back...but you can if it makes you feel better...classic hahahaha