Caravan snake A30 14 09 19
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No tyres blew, the smoke was exhaust smoke from flooring it
The woman clearing the rubbish was in a following car, my guess is she was off duty emergency personnel and she was not directing traffic but indicating to impatient drivers that it was not yet safe to proceed - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Well done to all those people who managed to help and clear the road so quickly without the aid of emergency services. Brilliant job!
Agree. That was my 'take away' too. They did a fantastic job - really quick & coordinated; especially the young woman in the grey top
Have to compare that to the Drama Queen Police who would have closed everything for hours
Credit to the people clearing the road, and moving the caravan off to the side etc.
Brilliant work by these few decent people who had the decency to stop and help their fella man and it was very dangerous for anyone to be on the road warning the traffic etc etc thank god no one hurt or killed very scary looking thing for all them motorists to see
Many travelling the roads so to yall be safe and be careful when you’re driving
Safe driving is good driving
I think the bulk of them were just looking for some good shit lying on the road.
Absolute knob head pushing that speed , like already
said hats off to the helping public
60mph limit for towing on a motorway and 50 on any "National speed limit applies" roads. But if you own the road, you can do what you like, obviously.
The law has changed its now 60mph on a dual carriageway also..! But this vehicle was travelling at about 70mph so you are correct about your observation of the driver.
caravans aren't safe, period...can't understand how even G.B's insurance sector still sanctions that 1920s shitty quaintness
It can be a few things. The main factor is load positioning, wrong nose weight and If heavy loads are placed behind the axle, you get a much greater pendulum effect. Speed is obviously another thing adding to the energy input to the rig. As well as this, the weight of the towing vehicle. I moved from towing with a Mercedes E Class saloon, to a lwb camper van as the tow vehicle. The difference is night and day. I no longer get any tail waggle and no passing vehicle suck effect either. The aerodynamics over a van, then over a caravan from the van, is much better than using a car, which doesn't 'fill in' the caravan front aspect as much but I think that the almost double weight of the van, is the biggest advantage to stability, right up to the 60 mph speed limit, with no possibility of the tail wagging the dog.
@@stevezodiac491Agreed! My mum spent many years towing caravans, using different large-ish cars such as Volvo 740 Estate and Citroen Zantia. Good choices both. Towing dampers help 100%, and in later years she had an electric "jockey" wheel to position the van.
Duel axle caravans are a rarity in the UK. I was surprised at the length of some and still only single axle. Ric from Oz 🙍♂️ 🇭🇲 🦘 👍 😎
i have towed more than 200 thousand miles in last 50 yrs,on this road last week,the speed some people go is brain dead.many go to 75mph when passing others ?. isuggest staying at 55 mph is safe relaxed and saves 25% on fuel cost.but might take an hour longer. the a 30 has steep areas.former class 1 hgv licence .no pitty from me.
Well handled by the young lady.
Well done to all those that helped 👏🏻👏🏻
best help would be to outlaw them, period...caravans aren't safe, f f s
Just returned from a (thankfully infrequent) trip up country (we live in Pensans, Kernow). I don't do queues!
All going well on our outward trip (Wed 5th July 2023) until we hit a massive holdup (not due to any known roadworks, which we avoid like the plague) on the M5 approaching junction 21 (Weston Super Nightmare as we now call it!). 45 minutes later to travel just a few km, we get to the cause of the blockage and it's our old friend, a caravan, turned over in the middle of the carriageway - no other vehicles involved so it looked like a combination of travelling too fast and/or poor loading of the caravan - thanks a bunch to the driver concerned!
If you hadn't guessed already, I hate caravans!
First off, all was well with no one hurt. I drive the A30 in devon regularly, and every *grockle season* I see these incidents because with powerful 4x4's drivers think it's ok to travel at 70mph, they don't take into consideration a sudden gust from the side which can make van snake... etc. I'm just glad this had a happy (ish) ending :)
Grockle? 🤣
The best way to getout of a snake with a caravan is load carefully and drive smoothly at below the legal speed limit. In other words, don't get in a snake in the first place.
Idiot!
Or fit an anti-snake bar before you leave home.
@@Teapot-Dave Quite right!
@@Teapot-Dave You have to be careful labeling an 'anti snake bar' as such.
Modern caravans have 'anti snake' devices in the tow hitch but I have never, ever, read anywhere that these devices eliminate snaking, they reduce the risk only. Snaking is inevitable if you drive foolishly no matter what you fit.
The only way to avoid snaking is to have your caravan properly percentage loaded, have good working devices whether a bar or pads in your towbar hitch AND DRIVE WITHIN YOUR CAPABILITIES!!
Sadly, I have seen many caravaners who have no ability whatsoever and are a danger to the public, just like the one in the video.
He had the chance to:-
A: Avoid it in the 1st place by traveling at a safe speed.
B: Correct it with small 'opposite lock' inputs when it 1st started.
C: Give up caravanning.
Just to make clear, I have been caravanning for over 45 years and have towed much much heavier and more dangerous things than a silly little caravan around over the years.
Stick to the guidelines and you won't go wrong.
@@WeeShoeyDugless I've never owned a caravan, but my parents had them for years, and my Dad used to swear by anti-snake bars.
I have towed a fairly large mobile first-aid unit without using a bar, and without any problems, but it wasn't built for speed anyway.
I used to work in Truro, Cornwall, and there is a junction near there called Chiverton Cross, which is actually a very busy traffic island on the A30, and every year there would be tourists - sometimes several per year - whose caravans would fall over there and block the junction for hours.
I tow caravans for a living, driving around 70,000 miles a year with the proper tow vehicle and 20 years experience. The number of people who overtake me is unbelievable.
just because you are allowed to do 60 doesn't mean you have too ,one good wobble and you are struggling
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Well I believe you! 😉
Phahahahaha wobble box having a wobbler!! Great to see nobody hurt but learn to tow before potentially killing some one next time
What is the problem here ? Driving too fast, ? In experience? Too much for the vehicle ?? Or maybe all of the above?
This was inevitable unfortunately. As caravanners ourselves you could see what was going to happen. Without reading the title we knew exactly which road this is and this is why there are so many accidents there! Slow down !!! And never ever overtake going down hill especially round a bend 🤔😳
They will never learn to slow down
Good to see the guy filming it got out of his car to help push the caravan off the road!
Who else noticed the boot full of power at 0-23? (plume of black smoke) Was that supposed to pull it straight again after going through the bow wave of the camera car?
I noticed that too! Seemed the driver had forgotten he’d got a Van attached to him!! 🤦♀️
I wouldn’t have given them the time of day. Quick check to see if the passengers are okay then a kick in the balls for the driver and on my merry way.
Pretty hard guy wow! Are you lgbtq3
Must be doing a lot more than the legal speed limit of 60 mph 😧
You could see the clever guys running forward to sort it out…
A once-a-year towing driver, gets his toe down and thinks that as long as he can see the caravan in his rear view mirror, then all must be fine. Saw this all the time when I was on the wagons.
In South Afrca one can get a good stabilise called Trapezium,have used it for years,no sway ever !Been caravanning since 1964 ,howzat !
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According to the Highway Code, when towing a caravan on a motorway, you must not exceed 60mph. This lower maximum speed helps to ensure that cars and caravans are stable
Great stuff another caravan off the road
Instead of throwing all your crap into the verges madam - collect it and put it inside your tin tent to dispose of later.
I don’t think they were travelling that fast, but it’s obvious that they had a tyre burst, you can see that clearly as they drove by. A TPMS fitted would have alerted them to immediately to slow down and stop.
Noticed how quickly traffic slowed down to rubber neck,always get idiots slowing down to see what's happened.
wobble boxes is a good name for caravans
And that's why we call them wobble boxes in the West Country....
I have towed a caravan since 2005 and that was inevitable.
Hi , May I have your permission to use this clip in a compilation?
Linked and credited.
Thanks!
That driver is an idiot. He should of stayed in the inside lane at a reduced speed. You cannot afford to take chances when towing a caravan.
Depends on how you load your van..weight distribution is key
there is a road sign indicating a down hill gradient seemingly the driver failed to see it and continued to speed past the cam car.
Hi mate,
May I use this clip in my Next compilation?
Credit on screen+link in the description.
Nice to see so many helpers at the scene.... but not one of them with a hi-viz vest.
Always going to fast with these death vans.
Good camera. At 0:02 under the sign it says: "Towing vehicles reduce speed NOW"... 1 minute later 🤕😂...
It's not classifiable as a "caravan crash"until there's at least one pair of Reg Grundies hanging from the roadside shrubbery.Just like when you see joggers hanging off of powerlines.
Did the caravans n/s tyre blow out at 0.20??
They we're definitely going way too fast. It started snaking just after they overtook the cammer. But what's the black smoke??
Exhaust i think
That woman must have death wish. Trying to hold up traffic but not even looking at what is approaching.
I have seen the after effects of caravan accidents where the body gets ripped off and gets spread thinly across the motorway.
Look at the rubber-neck cretins on the opposite carriageway, with the left hand lane going faster than the overtaking lane. I'm surprised that there wasn't an accident on that side of the road!
Both carriageways should slow down, debris often flys over the central reservation
Holy fishtail. No anti-sway bars?
As a caravanner this guy breaks all the rules overtaking down hill I NEVER do it looks like this guy booted it with the exhaust smoke belching out only made it worse. The van was probably wrongly loaded with too much weight at the rear of van I tow a twin axle these are more stable anyone who has tried to turn these round by pushing or even a motor mover will know how difficult it is There is no doubt whatsoever twin axles are more stable I say More but they will still snake if pushed over their limit.
Phil Barnett you are correct but others do not know why - here is the answer, when going down hill the inertia of the van can exceed the wind resistance and if the tow car brakes or takes the foot off the overrun brake is applied, if this coincides with a side wind force the overrun releases the stored energy in the coupling and catapults the sway exponentially across to the other and this is the start of the uncontrolled sway. My differential system prevents the sway from commencing by countering the side force since it is pro active.
Is the camera car a Nissan Patrol?
Here in Jersey City they do that to block off traffic on the curb devided 1-9 , so that they can race to the skyway, I just found that out the other day, I always just assumed it was drunk drivers crashing causing the traffic, let me catch them again
Driving Way to fast
Looked like they were going too fast. And as it passed there was a puff of smoke??
I assumed that was from the brakes as they were presumably jamming them on to slow the momentum and they were getting bloody hot!
I am surprized that no one knows what to do if a caravan or large trailer starts to sway, A swaying caravan or trailer will start steering the car in either direction, Do not try to fight this as you will only make things worse, Lock your arms and steer straight ahead take your foot of the accelerator, do not apply the brakes or accelerate the vehicle, You can apply the trailer brakes if you are able. I have used this method and it does work. If the problem persists you will need to proceed at a slower speed & fit anti sway bars to your vehicle
Well that could have been so much worse!! You can recover a swaying caravan/trailer, but not easy, main issue is poorly laid caravan/car, so if boot fully loaded car becomes light on the steering which doesn’t help when a caravan starts swaying
Hi Colin, You are quite right - that is why there needs to be a control system to address a sway, being competent and aware is a good thing but you have to be constantly on your toes. Having a system that corrects any force before it starts takes the worry out of the drive. Motor vehicles alone are full of sensors that do this without the need to be an expert driver eg antilock brakes, multi interconnecting suspension linkage do things you could not imagine unless you are an engineer. Caravans have been neglected in this regard because of the misinformation out there.
I have just simply given up trying even offering my system and caravan free of charge to any competent manufacturer - they are just not interested.
Faster! Faster! Super hollidays.
Caravaning max 90km/h.
Belle solidarité de la part des autres automobilistes, mais quand vous sortez du véhicule sur l'autoroute vous devez mettre " un gilet fluorescent ! a fluorescent vest ! " 👀🤔
Might want to consider slowing down
Am I correct in saying the caravan actually came off the car hitch? If so it couldnt have been properly prepared for towing as these ball hitches DO NOT come off, your car will hang in the air if the van tips over.
It looks like an amateur either way, no idea and a danger to the public.
Hello Ricky, would it be fine to feature this video in compilation videos on our channel? You would be fully credited of course! Cheers
Yes go ahead, Rick
When will these caravan towers learn. Speeding with one of these behind you is a recipe for disaster.
The black smoke looked like a tyre blowout to me, leading to total loss of control.
What smoke are you talking about? I see smudges on the windshield.
@@awboat 20secs in , you’ll see smoke from the caravan tyres.
It's diesel smoke, the driver floored the car :)
No there was smoke from the tyres I saw that also, probably not changed those tyres for a long time, caravan tyres only last 5 years max nothing to do the the tread, it’s because it’s often sat in one place for so long. And going far to fast with an old van probably with no proper stabiliser on.
The black smoke is indicative of a poorly maintained diesel and one cause is the turbo charger pressure has dropped when accelerating - needs a service.
Speeding with a caravan. Do-nut
Look how fast I can tow in my Jag X- Type
MOT January 2020 Reason(s) for failure:
Exhaust emissions exceed manufacturer's specified limit (8.2.2.2 (a))
Front Brakes imbalanced across an axle offside low (1.2.1 (b) (i))
Offside Headlamp levelling device inoperative (4.1.5 (a))
Front Brakes imbalanced across an axle Axle 1 (1.2.1 (b) (i))
Advisory notice item(s):
offside rear bumper and wing damaged -still secure with no sharp edges
slow down folks!
Unfortunatly the perishable driving skill are just that . On my motorcycle or towing a caravan or worse a solo car , I have had some many nears misses in one month .
Typical wobble box.... unstable at speed😂🏴👍🏻
Danger compounded! No one using a High Viz.
A large percentage of accidents are simply due to speeding, kerbside weight is something of a myth with some, as regards towing......
way to fast, i hope everyone is safe and well, but that was dangerous driving
And he's the reason why us caravaners are hated.. This is just karma doing its thing
Hurah for lockdown few more weeks before this shit starts again 😥
Your right someone who was a close family friend of mine died 6 March 2021 he died on the spot at the age of 26 and his bro was airlifted to Derriford hospital and is getting on but it’s still heartbreaking
@@tw4r4abb46 sorry to hear that sir , god bless
@@rmc5278 thanks💙
Of course truck drivers are saints, never do anything wrong, like hell they don't
The lh tyre blew out on the caravan, you can see the van over on the left and the smoke
Obviously too fast 🙄
I love these child adults that have no idea about and no concept of speed, mass, center of gravity, tire pressure and the most basic physics. And they all have a driving license 😀 Well deserved.
Should be limited to55 instead of trying for75
The limit for caravans is 60, but I never do it, 50-55 is fast enough for me. Rather get to the site a few minutes later than not at all.
@@Paul-un5ps Agree, absolutely !! I have a Discovery 4 when towing and am amazed when they overtake me doing well over 60 MPH. 55 mph for me even though disco want to go faster.
Looked like I blew a tyre out. Can see black smoke. Coming from the nearside caravan wheel. Just after it passed the camaer car.
Could not even drive a nail into a piece of wood.
You can Never,Ever tow a caravan fast enough.SPEED is key.lmswrao.
I have noticed alot more caravans and motorhomes on the road since covid, mainly driven by retired type people, i think they are the type who would go on cruises, now they cant they are buying motorhomes and caravans & alot of them are an absolute danger to themselves and others, highlight was one old gimmer doing 28mph on the M5 towing a huge caravan, most of these people have had no training on towing such large caravans and its bloody dangerous.
This will be history soon EVs can't tow !
Bit of tcut will sort that out, to polish his brain. You could see the black exhaust coming out as he accelerated past camera car. Another kick in the balls needed
I see this everywhere. People that are pulling a trailer are either stupid or totally ignorant . Slow down and learn how to properly tow and be safe
Bit silly, standing in the road like that.
I’d say he was pushing it a bit too hard
Well, everyone has to learn how to drive with a caravan and some have a hard lesson.
Good jobby it wasn’t on a smart motorway.
Speed kills-----caravans
Looks like they've done this before XD, they put the car to the side so fast and started cleaning the road as if they did it everyday
3.10 love the way Mr Bean appears from bottom left hand corner of screen. What idiots! What did they expect?
And keep your speed down they were going way to fast.
Yet another once a year caravanner with a high powered tow car blasting down the road.
The whole principle of towing a caravan is flawed as any movement at the front of the car causes the caravan to pendulum in the opposite direction, this will happen at the wrong moment, and will only amplify the sway.
Due to the design of vehicles with a certain amount of distance between the rear axle and the coupling point, in the Jags case the length of the boot, there is no getting away from pendulum swing, there are a few ways to avoid it one is by having the coupling point over or as near to the rear axle as possible as in an articulated truck, or having the distance between the rear axle and the trailer axle shorter that the wheelbase of the towing vehicle, although that would make for a very short caravan.
Mike you don't know that, you don't know what went wrong
@@steeldragon5867 All you need to know is in this video, as soon as the car and caravan passed the videoer the combination is already swinging about, with the car accelerating down the hill instead of letting of the gas and slowing the swing.
The easy at which a car and caravan swing about can be caused by various problems with the actual make up of the combination, and the most dangerous is a light car and heavy caravan that has been poorly loaded (i.e. all the weight at the back or front rather than only over the axle).
Whilst driving in Europe I have see the police doing roadside checks on commercial vehicles where they also pulled over caravans, and it was amazing to see the number of people moving stuff around to move the weight into where it should be.
In the caravanning months, accidents like this one happen on a daily basis, and at there extreme they do turn the tow car over, the best tow vehicle for towing a caravan is something like a Ford Transit (just ask your local gypsy/traveller why) whose mass and chassis makes it ideal.
Over in the USA you would not be allowed to tow the same car and caravan combination as you do in the UK as they would consider a car like the Jag in the video to be too light to tow that caravan, even a large Range Rover sized vehicle would be considered borderline for the caravan that the Jag was pulling.
@@Ashworth-Media You're right. A trailer's weight distribution should be about 60% in front of the axle, 40% behind. That will dampen the fishtailing. More than 50% weight behind the axle will amplify any disturbance. Of course the tow vehicle needs to be appropriate to the trailer, and the trailer's brakes must be working properly.
Easy solution caravan design needs to fundamentally change , the further back the axle is on the trailer chsssis the more stable it is, I know I drove artics for 24 years. Has nothing to do with towing vehicle wheelbase or where the hitch is situated, overhang on the trailer makes the difference which is why semi trailers all have axles towards the back of the chassis , to snake an artic takes a lot of doing and is inherently recoverable when it happens🏴👍🏻
@@noelwallace5257 I agree upto a point, a longer trailer can help but is still subject to sway, the only real solution is to have the towing point as near as possible over the rear axle of the tow vehicle or over it as per an artic/semi.
On an artic/semi the trailer wheels can be anywhere between just past the centre line of the point between the pin and the end of the trailer and upto the very end of the trailer, to have no sway.
Wing overtaken by a caravan 😂😂😂😂
You can't park it there for the Night Dddeeerrr
dump it on the verge
Too fast, nothing else to say.
look at the dash cam on the bottom right , shows the speed. it was doing 54 mph........so i'll take a wild stab in the dark, and guess that the caravan was doing at least 10 mph faster. maybe 15 mph............so there is your first problem.......second , we dont know the weight of either vehicle, the tow car or the caravan...does the caravan weigh more than 85% of the tow car? how much was loaded in to the caravan? most caravans have a load limit ( what you can put on board) of around 150 kgs. where was this all loaded? over the axle? ..........i hope the driver was done for it , exactly the same as any driver with an unsafe vehicle.
I'm caravanner and irritates me when I see noobs over taking in caravan, no Extended mirrors, too much weight on the front axle of the caravan not evenly weigted. It's common sence all this stuff. Take your time your on holiday as soon as you leave in caravan.
LOL seriously was that a Jaguar towing a camper going faster then they should have been?
Could of been worse
A full overturn of the car and the caravan!!!
You tow a caravan, so your a long and heavy vehicle
It seems somee people are simply beyond stupid.
Why was the caravan going that fast and overtaking.
Surely people must realise when you pass another vehicle that vehicle use pushing large volumes of air, like waves from a boat, also a caravan has large flat sides so is it any wonder it started to sway.
In such a hurry to get some where, guess what, they won't be staying in the van tonight.
I thought you had to wear hi vis in UK now at accidents.
No
It's criminal that caravan makers are still allowed to make caravans with this axle configuration, axles need putting further back, and please don't come up with the crap about drawbar weight