I’ve been using my 2010 cheese greater for 7 years. Logic X, Final Cut Pro, Motion, Compressor, Photoshop, I have 8 tb hard drive and 2 tb sod’s, 3 gb sapphire made for Mac Pro video card. I won’t be replacing it soon.
I ended up getting the (Mid-2012) Mac Pro from my local surplus store for $135 recently. A surprisingly good machine! I look forward to upgrading it as the months go by.
When I went to an iMac from my cheese grater Mac Pro my power bill went down $30 a month. Not kidding. $30*12 months = $360 $360* 4 year useful life= $1,440. Worth considering if you are super value-conscious.
I run a 2010 Mac Pro with: * X5690 Xeon * MacVidCards Nvidia GTX 980 - runs with the power from the standard system. * Kingston HyperX Predator PCIe 480GB SSDs.
Great idea for a little video series. I have a 5,1 which I’ve upgraded to the best I can. X5690’s 128GB of ram (only 6 modules installed for better performance @96GB) installed a 970 evo along with a Vega 64 card. All in all this Mac Pro still packs a punch. Look forward to seeing what you do.
Luke, I love your videos. As a serious nightlife and entertainment photographer as well as someone who often records/edits multitrack audio I was really frustrated by the various windows laptops I was trying to get by with, and started my trek into the darkside (macOS) with an older macbook that pleasantly integrated perfectly out of the box with my iphone and ipad. I needed more horsepower, on a budget, with simple redundancy and backup solutions. Hence, the Cheesegrater. I was able to score a 4,1 2009 cMP with 16GB ram and a 5770 for under $300 including tax and shipping on eBay. I flashed it to 5,1 and scored a great deal on a pair of 6 core 3.46ghz westmeres for $225 upgraded to 96GB RAM, 802.11n/BT 4.0 , USB 3.0 , 1TB SSD, and a Sapphire Radeon Pulse 8GB along with 4x 4TB WD red drives in Raid 10, a USB 3.0 SD card reader, and a USB 3.0 8TB external HD for onsite backup (backblaze for off-site backup). I've also got a 240GB SSD installed for a scratch drive that also contains the macOS Catalina install app patched in case I ever need it for recovery. I's using dosdude1's Catalina patcher to run macOS Catalina unsupported, but it worked fine in Mojave anyway. Total cost was less than $1500, and this system actually is quite fast. No boot screen, but it definitely meets my post production needs for Lightroom Classic and PhotoshopClassic, it runs multitrack audio I/O with Reaper very well - as many as 24 tracks with no latency or hiccups so far, and I've started messing around with Premier for video. It's heavy, but in a special case it's portable enough to move to 3 different locations I work from. In one of these locations it runs 2x 55" screens in extended desktop feeding one screen into my entertainment complex while the other runs the virtual mixing board for reaper - simultaneously! I liked it so well I built another cMP for backup/redundancy/plex server. I scored a 8 core 2.8ghz 2008 cMP 3,1 for $28 on eBay ($70 with tax & ship), upgraded to 64 GB RAM, USB 3.0, 802.11n USB dongle and BT 4.0 USB dongle, installed the 5770 video card from my other cMP (kept the GT 8800 in case I ever need a boot screen for recovery on my other cMP), 2x HGST He8 4TB drives in Raid 0, and an 8TB WD external hard drive for on site backup. (no offsite backup for this one) This one is running macOS Sierra with the server.app (with dosdude1's Sierra patcher), as Sierra was the last macOS version where server.app ran full featured. It hosts a mirror of my professional photo archive - both raw and processed photos, syncronized mirrors of my icloud, google drive, and microsoft onedrive contents for local network access, sonar, radar, and my local/external network available plex server that has run as many as 9 streams transcoding simultaneously without hiccups nor buffering. This backup cMP, even though older, still runs current versions of Lightroom classic and Photoshop classic - so I can edit on it if the other cMP ever fails, and the freefilesync software keeps the phot archive directories updated across both machines. I've got both cMPs up on a gigabit local network attached to gigabit Fios internet, and the whole ecosystem works together seemlessly - 2 cMPs, macbook, 3 iphones, ipad, and even various windows laptops and smart tvs. It was through your videos I first got interested macOS and in in buying and upgrading an old Mac Pro to solve my post production problems in the first place. Next step I'm stalking ebay for a 2012 27" imac for a dedicated, compact editing and post production station. Likely it will just screenshare the pair of cMPs running headless, but I'd probably still upgrade it according to the recommendations in your imac videos in case it needed to do anything more intensive. Thanks for your great videos and for your enthusiasm for finding value in upgrades to older hardware. Kelli
"I have this Mac Pro but I'm not going to do anything in this video but tell you that I'm going to do stuff with it later" You go man. You go do that. Let me know when it's already done.
I remember as a teen going to my step dads newspaper and they had 2-3 of these towers for the designers, it was amazing how good it look then and still like the look now
Because of your video, I bought a MacPro 5.1 2012 2x2.4 Ghz, 24 Gb ram, 240 Gb SSD, 500 HDD, 640 Gb HDD, ATI Radeon HD 5770 1Gb, for 2000 DDK(about $183). I have installed a USB3 PCI . On another 256 Gb SSD with Win 10 Pro. Bought and install a RX 590 8Gb GPU and install Mojave.
Hi Luke nice to see more people jumping into the old cheese grader Macs. They are fun to tinker with. I personally went with a 2009 4,1 model and took on the challenge of doing the firmware hack to force the system to a 5,1. it isn't easy but worth it as you gain quite a bit of knowledge as far as the system OS functionality. I replaced the stock 4 core with a 6 core xeon 3.46 ghz processor. I didn't delid it so I cant say what difference I'm getting as a result. I purchased cable end adapters to plug in a radeon rx 580. so far nothing has overheated or exploded so don't be nervous about upgrading to a beefier GPU. also I purchased a second daughterboard with twin cpu's as you've shown here and I want to change out both processors just to see what the system will give me. I'm currently booting off a 500 gb SSD so you can imagine how fast it is. look into that as well. I'll fill in the other drive slots with enterprise rated helium filled HDD's and be done with that aspect. it should net me 26-30+ terabytes of storage. I think that will be plenty. I stream from my iTunes movie collection through a Sony 4k television or the LG 32" Ultra Fine HDR IPS LED 4kUHD monitor. either display is a treat. it lets the rx 580 flex its muscles a bit. my point is these things are built like tanks and will let you have fun while you learn. I'll keep my eyes on your build as who knows you may fine a processor combo I don't know about and I can begin the upgrade process.........Again. Anyway sorry for the novel and thanks for post😎
I got mine out of the rubbish a couple of years back, apparently the company that chucked it had no clue about tech. I just flashed my Mac Mini’s OS onto it and voila, an editing rig. They’d upgraded the crap out of it, it runs like a dream.
@@InimitaPaul Great to hear that. I've recently installed an AMD RX580 8GB (since I am a gamer). Prior to that I had several NVIDIA cards (which I prefer) but I could not get the web drivers to work anymore after 10.12.4 so I had to switch to AMDs since they are natively supported. Hopefully it will run for a few more years.
So beautiful. So timeless. Given the necessary upgrades over the years, they could've been selling this thing ever since it's inception and continue doing so for a good while. Everybody would've been happy and Apple wouldn't have lost countless major studios to the PC. Oh my.
You do NOT have to de-lid the CPUs on a 4,1. I have a 4,1 and have upgraded processors twice (currently running 5690s) without de-lidding the CPUs. All you have to do is add a few washers to the posts that the heatsinks attach to to prevent the heat sink from pushing the lidded CPU into the socket too hard and bending the pins. There should be a number of threads or tutorials explaining how to do this on Mac Rumors. Anyway, cool project and good luck with the updates.
David M , I have a 4,1 running High Sierra, but never flashed it to 5,1 (a bit above my pay grade) but with the announcement of the new Mac Pro, I want to run my 4,1 for as long as possible. Any links to walk through your advice? Thx!
@@flea4631 There should be a number of threads about this on the macrumers forums.Try searching there. It's not that difficult to do. You have to first flash the 4,1 to 5,1. Then you have to do additional firmware updates to install Mojave, including having a Metal compatible GPU.
David M I’m having problems booting into Recovery mode (cmd R). Just bought a new keyboard and still the keyboard is non responsive till it boots up. Same goes with trying zap PRAM and target disk mode. That’s why I’m stuck on 4,1 running a patched High Sierra (problem with keyboard goes back before High Sierra.
David M My octo core 4,1 has the stick GFX card and boots up fine except when trying to use keyboard shortcuts like zapping PRAM, booting go recovery mode or target disk mode, etc. I bought a new Macally wired keyboard this week as I thought my stock keyboard was defective. Btw, my boot drive are 2 SSD on a PCIe card in RAID. I do have a cloned boot drive on HD. Thx.
News Flash: The Mac Pro is not a "prosumer" machine. This is a PROFESSIONAL workstation. It's tailored to enterprise customers who do see the machine as an investment and as such are not dissuaded by the cost of the machine. Most consumers even if they want it, have absolutely no use for the power in this this machine.
Hence why I said that 'Pro' has moved down market and that this is a truly Pro Mac. That being said, there could still be a machine that with one platform goes from mid level pros (freelancers, CZcamsrs, etc) all the way up to movie studios and particle simulation. The Mac Pro could (arguably should) have been both
Not necessarily. Often the convenience of buying prebuilt is valuable. Especially if you're outfitting, say 6 editing bays, its pretty easy to go on Apple.com and check some boxes and then 6 editing workstations show up. Efficiency is key
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) that’s false. Companies that need that sort of power buy premade systems like BOXX, Dell, HP or even Apple. Nobody has time or interest in fooling around with some personally built concoction other than freelancers and normal consumers. If they’re in serious business they buy prebuilt systems, install them and if there’s a problem they remove the system with the issue and replace it with another prebuilt that’s pretty much exactly the same and uniform.
I’m from the Netherlands and build the following Mac Pro: - [ ] Mac Pro 5.1 12 core x 3.46Ghz - [ ] 6x8Gb = 48gb 1333Mhz ECC ram - [ ] AMD Radeon RX580 4gb - [ ] Kingston M.2 HyperX Predator AHCI 240Gb (flashblade) - [ ] Samsung 960 EVO 500Gb(flashblade) - [ ] 1tb HDD for back-up - [ ] USB 3.0 4-ports. - [ ] price euro 2175 = $2450 - [ ] €250 for NEC MultiSync 30 inch professional LCD3090WQXi monitor inc Stand😛 So my total investment euro 2425 = approx $ 2750 Geekbench 4: single score 3009, multi score 27434 under Mojave. Under HS multi 31000. Cinebench 3379.
@@AppleReviews You can get away with putting in 3.73Ghz CPUs. It has a 980 watt power supply. From the wall it only pulls 600watts with a GTX 1060 and a GTX 1070 under full load for me. Apple designed it to be extremely quiet and the cooling is quite effective even if ambient temperatures are quite warm.
Still using my maxed-out 2012 MacPro. 12 cores at 3.46 GHz.... Well, not totally maxed out, since I only have 64 GB RAM, not 128. All SSD... I love it -- my favorite computer ever. Latest upgrade was a Radeon RX-580 card
Can you please recommend me what video cards are compatible and worth buying for the 2012 Mac Pro? Thank you for any help. I work with large 3D scenes.
@@stevenp6761 as mentioned above I use the Radeon RX-580, very capable 8 GB video card. It has two HDMI ports and two full-sized DV ports, so you can run four monitors from it. It's really the only "metal support" option for Macs this old.
It's surprising how much processors have stopped evolving since everyone started focusing on peripheral speed instead, these machines are still running great to this day and are neck and neck with similar options, I desperately needed a new intel Mac and it was either a 4.1 dual cpu or a newer Mac mini (2018 i3, couldn't find any i5s for a price less than the new m1) got the 4.1 and I couldn't be happier with Logic Pro X and pro tools running great, and with a flash that took 7 minutes and a some upgrades it can stay way above any 1000+ euro imac sold here used where I live (from my experience anything with a passmark score of 4000-4500 is way more than enough for my work) and I love the I/o expansion.
Luke, I don't like correcting youtubers but on the PCIE power connectors there are 40w on each positive pin. That means 6 pin adapters will output 120W, with the 75W in the slot you have a total of 315w. Mine is powering a Vega 56, with 2- 6-8 pin adapters off the logic board with no issues at all. When these Mac pros (5,1) were designed, the HD7970s were pulling about 314w under load and those were being used widely in these machines.
Couple of things to note - you don't need delidded CPUS for a 4,1 you just need spacers or to not clamp the heat sink down as hard - mini 6 pins are not the same as 6 pins and can put out a total of 150w each totally 375watt. This is well documented and I'm not sure why this keeps going around
I have five 2010 Mac Pros, each running 96 GB Ram, Catalina 10.15.3, and Sapphire RX580 Pulse and Nitro+ cards (boot efi were recently upgraded by mac vid cards) and they do NOT need any modification to the power supplies, they have been working perfectly with the RX580 cards, and before that RX280 cards for many years now just using the motherboard power plugs. I connect a minimum of two 30 and/or 34 and/or 24 inch Dell monitors via display port on each machine and all have have USB3 and/or USB-C PCI cards as well as all boot from both 2TB Samsung NVME and SATA SSDs also on PCI card adapters and each tower has four 6TB WD Black HDDs. No problem with powering all of that! Performance is outstanding considering the approx. $1500 cost for assembling each system. Only "downside " is lack of thunderbolt 3 and SATA to the HDDS is the 2010 version. The SATA SSDs on the PCI cards run at about 550 mB/s and the NVME at about 1450 mB/s
At least you qualified your title with 'for a lot of people'. Fact is....The 12 Core Trashcan is the best machine for my needs. Small, silent, no thermal throttling and second hand prices make it a good deal...regardless of your last 'Review'. It's a keeper. I suspect they will become more sort after now (since 2019 prices have been indicated). Just as the 5,1 will get a boost in popularity.
Right 👍 It is the best. Figured out just today to install catalina on the Mac Pro5,1 running very smooth for a beta. Continue the great work. Waiting for the next videos
Austin Lynum Essentialliy you have to disable SIP in Recovery mode and after reboot enter this code in Terminal sudo nvram boot-args="-no_compat_check" The only thing left is to download catalina on a supported mac and install the beta on an external drive. In my case a sata ssd and a sata to usb cable. The mac must have a metal gpu like in mojave.👍
Was thinking about getting 5,1 Mac Pro, but the used market in Australia is nuts and it looks like Apple will not give it Native support in MacOS 10.15. hopefully dosdude1 also creates a patcher for 10.15 as well.
I bought a 4,1 mac pro that'd been 2010 firmware flashed and had its CPU tray also replaced with the single 6-core one from a 2010 or 2012 and had had an x5690 installed on it, along with 32gB of memory. Pop in an rx570 I already had, a second SSD, 120gB and a random 500gB hard drive I had lying around, to compliment the 240gB SSD and 640gB HD that was already in it and this is now my main machine. I love it to pieces (best computer I've ever owned). Every Mac claims that this model won't support Catalina, but I have faith that Dosdude1 or perhaps someone else will easily get around that problem and we can enjoy these iconic, legendary machines for even more years to come. I know I have many years of upgrades left for mine.
I bought a 2012 5,1 with dual 2.4GHz cpu's about a year ago for about $1000 australian , took the dual cpu's out and installed a single 3.33GHz 6core, updated the video card to a nice GTX one, took out the old HD's and installed 2 SSD's, put 32megs of ram in it, blew it all out with compressed air and cleaned it down real nice, it's now my main audio production computer and works beautifully. Couldn't be happier.
fiddlestickz muzik How does the single 3.33 compare to the dual 2.4’s it replaced. Holding out for a dual CPU 5,1 but saw a decent single 3.33 and got wondering.
@@timsteryt well for what I do ( Audio ) the 3.33 was perfect, the dual 2.4 seemed sluggish and with audio you don't need so many cores it's just the raw speed to run high end plug ins like Uhe sell. There was nothing to be gained from running dual cpu's, cooling of just one at a good speed does the job perfectly.
I just sold mine because it was essentially a Ferrari collecting dust in a garage. I had 12-cores Xenon 3.33GHz, PCI-Samsung AHCI 512GB M.2 SSD BOOT, 16TB RAID 0, took out the optical drive to allow two more HDDs, 64GB RAM, PCI-USB-C, replaced the Wi-Fi/Bluetooth card to get AirDrop to Mac/iPhone and AMD Radeon Vega Frontier Edition 12GB to update freely to new macOS without waiting for NVIDIA to release drivers. Let me know if you need to know anything because "I've been there done that." with this machine.
How many desktops can boot directly into 4 different operating systems? My 3.1 runs Sierra, XP64, Linux and WIN11 - selectable at boot. All 4 are fast and stable. It even boots directly from the USB slots, which allows for easy wipes. cloning, etc. It's a wonderfully versatile machine and amazingly reliable.
One major drawback that you didn't really address in the video is that OSX Catalina and beyond will not be supported on this Mac. So you're going to be stuck on Mojave until you get a new machine. Eventually app updates from Adobe and others will drop Mojave support, and you won't be able to update your software. It's not a huge issue if you're not interested in running the latest and greatest features, but it is worth noting.
I'm running Linux Debian 12 on this machine and it works a beauty. It's like a new computer. Using a powerful enough Nvidia graphics card I'm editing professional video and sound using BlackMagics DaVinci Resolve.
8:43 - Wrong! Each output 150W. Combined with the PCI-E slot the system is capable of handling 375W max. If the max was 225W I wouldn’t be able to get my R9 280X to work properly(250W).
I just did a similar project; 5,1 2012, 12-core, with 64gb = $825 purchase price. Added; 250gb M.2 as boot drive, 2tb Crucial SSD as scratch, USB C ports (all 3 via PCI), updated GPU, Mojave, 4x 12TB Iron Wolf HDD, and it screams. Got Geek Bench multi-core score of 21,197. Final price, $1,750-ish.
Sold mine early 2008 8-Core Mac Pro a few years ago since Apple stop macOS update for it and it was getting slow even with SSD/RAMS/Graphics Card update.
Great creative presentation Luke - will be a keen follower interested to witness the end results too what is the best Mac Pro ever built - 5,1. Keep up the great work!
For its age it's a solid tower. I still have mine and have done many upgrades, NVMe SSD, Radeon VII, etc.. But with Catalina and no official support from Apple you're only recourse is hex editing files and patching, even then it's with a lot of compromises. Now, if Mojave is about as far as you need for the foreseeable future you can still get some good use of out of it.
Just a couple of advantages of the 6,1 MP: CPU can be upgraded, as well as RAM and SSD...and it will support Catalina natively. Oh and it does not heat up your room, uses less power, and is a lot quieter. So don't always dismiss the 6,1 right away.
You don't need to delid the CPU at all. I been running 2x 3.46 6 Core with the lids on them. What you need to do is break the fan wire clip so it can float freely on the CPU tray. Been running this setup for 3 years now with no issue. Also you need to add heat exchange tap to the try as well.
10:08 lol "Best Mac Pro in the World". I literally laughed out loud. The reason I laughed is because whenever I hear someone use the expression "in the world" it reminds me that we've yet to discover life or sustainable conditions on other planets anywhere in the universe... so whenever you say "Best Mac Pro in the World", I heard, "Best Mac Pro, all things considered, in the Universe!" Gosh I wish you'd said that lololol
I just bought a 2008 Mac Pro Quad Core 3.0Ghz earlier this week for $125. I’m going to throw a good $500 into upgrades. I always wanted another cheese grater since my PowerPC G5!
I recently bought an almost new 7,1 , but I am keeping my best 5,1 and its similar to where luke went with this one.... and I can tell youthat running catalina its no slouch either. Its still a very good machine in 2023 as long as you are happy with dosdude catalina. My experiences with opencore persuaded me to get a newer machine to run ventura !
I still have my 2010 12-Core with Titan RTX but for me 10yrs of service it's time for me to retire the classic, I might be purchasing the 2019 Mac Pro 12-Core with the Pro display this fall
Will you put in M.2 SSDs with a PCIe Adapter? Throw alle the Hardrives out and use 4 Sata SSDS in Raid4 with softraid? Really curious what you gonna do... Should have kept mine... BTW this video got me to subscribe :)
I wish you the best of luck, I’ve already been down this road in 2013 with a 2,1 from 2007. I feel like I wasted my time and money but I was a dumb kid. Apple stopped sending it updates shortly after I bought it so it was useless fairly quickly.
actually you could have used a MacPro 2.1 with Mac OS El Capitan, which was officially supported until October 2018: that's eleven years, and you complain about the computer becomeing useless "fairly quickly"??? it's the same with a MP 5.1 , which can officially run Mojave (supported until October 2021) but you can get it to run Catalina, Big Sur and Monterey with little effort....
I bet the motherboards are different for each model of the new mac pro, which means the cpu determines the amount the tower can be upgraded over the life if the machine, also the cpu choice will impact the downgrades available in the configuration at the point of sale! In short if you think you can buy the lowest priced version and upgrade later you are kidding yourself, as always Apple is a ripoff! The chassis is looking sweet thro.
All CPU's available for this machine use the same socket and have the same number of PCIe lanes to them. Also, having multiple motherboards makes very little sense. A professional machine lineup needs to be as similar as possible on both extremes of the spectrum. While Apple may look into a Threadripper based system in the future (high starting core count, and current generation threadrippers can have up to 32 cores), they need to keep it as unified as possible. The only reason why a company like Dell or HP would change the motherboards used in a single desktop lineup would be a new generation of Intel/AMD processors.
I’m buying the 2012 year make of these classic Mac Pros. I’m not a gamer, so the graphics card is not really an issue for me. I need this machine to do music, that all.
I get the feeling U can afford that new Mac Pro at even $10k hehe. I had to get a 3yo mid Mac Pro 5,1 dual Workstation. I still have it and spec'd it out. I used a Radeon r9 390X (had Quadro M4000) (RX-580 Mac Ed today), 2x X5690's, 48GB (6x8g) ECC 12800 DDR3 L in Tri-Chan (it took 96Gb but I didn't need it yet), Samsung EVO 860's 1Tb, LG BD optical. A1407 27" Thunderbolt Display, Magic 2 BT kit (keyboard/ mouse/ trackpad). I kept my G5 wired Pro Extended set. now I'm saving for a used Xeon Scalable Gold 5115 Mac next. For fun, I OC’d the pulled E5620’s & they did awesome as well.
@@yeknommonkey Not sure to be honest. I've been using it in this configuration for around 6 months now and seems to be ok? *Fingers crossed* nothing blows! >.< That being said I'm not sure how long I would stay with my 5,1 considering the next MacOS will no longer support it.
I'm wondering how expensive it would be to buy only the motherboard from the new Mac Pro 2019 and customize the rest of the components with standard PC hardware.
if you qualify for replacement warranty pricing (you have a board that is damaged, not tampered with which will be sent back) it's not too expensive but if you don't qualify and want to just buy a new board outright then either you will not be able to or you will be charged more than a new machine, that's how apple works
I’m excited to see what you do Luke. I hope you post a video comparing what you find when going from those 2.4 Dual Xeon chips to the 3.0+ Xeon chips. I would like to see this especially in a 4K editing set up. Oh and will you be trying dual GPUs or a single very powerful GPU?
1:50 THIS is why there is a gap in apples lineup. They have the iMac and the iMac Pro, and now they have the Mac Pro. All they need now is a regular Mac. A tiny tower in 5K iMac price territory that user modular, consumer grade components.
Excelente... acá en chile tienes un suscriptor contento y esperando los siguientes capítulos de este nuevo renacer del MacPro 5.1... Saludos desde Chile!!!!
Thank you. I am "in" and just subscribed. I have a 2009 Mac Pro still working perfectly but struggling with 4K video editing and Premier Pro. I was about to buy a PC Tower but your video intrigues me. Please let us know what your timeline is to complete the project and the nature of complexity for those who are inexperienced with this kind of work. I would pay more to buy new but I hear you saying it's better to be in a position to upgrade over time. Thanks for the terrific work!!!
I’ve been using my 2010 cheese greater for 7 years. Logic X, Final Cut Pro, Motion, Compressor, Photoshop, I have 8 tb hard drive and 2 tb sod’s, 3 gb sapphire made for Mac Pro video card. I won’t be replacing it soon.
I have a 2008
have you compared the speed to a newer mac? what CPU do you have?
@@mstreemyt Me too, Maxed out 8 core, 32gb ram and a flashed GTX680. Patched to catalina too. Really solid system
I also have a 2009 that's patched to big sur
I ended up getting the (Mid-2012) Mac Pro from my local surplus store for $135 recently.
A surprisingly good machine!
I look forward to upgrading it as the months go by.
Surplus store? Where do I find one of demz
JU5TNTIM3 k
@@velxcity07 I really don’t know what a surplus store is
@@justinTime077 *I missed the part where that’s my problem.*
@@velxcity07 k
That late 2000's Mac Pro is my childhood. You have a subscriber.
same, can't wait to see this fully maxxed out.
You must’ve been rich
You were a rich kid in a rich family then
When I went to an iMac from my cheese grater Mac Pro my power bill went down $30 a month. Not kidding.
$30*12 months = $360
$360* 4 year useful life= $1,440.
Worth considering if you are super value-conscious.
2:08
"the grate, the glorious"
I do think this is a fine idea for some users. Ironically though, when you're finished you won't have an upgradable mac.
But easily repairable though :) And expandable (I/O)
use the case & make a hackintosh will be 100% upgradable longer than a Apple product or you can just go MX Linux a alternative to OSX )
@@ebrufilmslimited836 oh is it? does it run Logic, iMovie, iMessage? please, tell us how MX Linux is a Mac alternative.
Yup, I've got two of the old (5.1) 2013 cheesegrater. Love it (them). And I'm still upgrading !
64 gig RAM, 4 x 1tb SSD's. Great products.
Luke Miani: too bad that don’t exist
2nd Luke: It totally does exist
2013 Mac Pro
2nd Luke: no not that one
Me: lmfao I love the commentary
Man I can’t stand these “me: [insert generic easily relatable reaction]”. This trend needs to go away.
@@WhosThere26 It's annoying how many comments are people picking at comments. LOL
I’m with Tom. You guys complain way too much.
@@abubakrakram6208 I see you say "You guys" which includes me ?? LOL Ironic I see you doing the same. Pot calling the Kettle black.
@@tompeters4234 no he is on your side lol.
If you can, I'd love to see a head to head test between your 2009 Pro and a 2018 Mac Mini crunching video.
I run a 2010 Mac Pro with:
* X5690 Xeon
* MacVidCards Nvidia GTX 980 - runs with the power from the standard system.
* Kingston HyperX Predator PCIe 480GB SSDs.
RogerWilco How do you like your set up?
Great idea for a little video series. I have a 5,1 which I’ve upgraded to the best I can. X5690’s 128GB of ram (only 6 modules installed for better performance @96GB) installed a 970 evo along with a Vega 64 card. All in all this Mac Pro still packs a punch. Look forward to seeing what you do.
You guys are always complaining about the Apple professional line. First of all professionals have enough money to buy a 20k+ Mac Pro.
Luke, I love your videos.
As a serious nightlife and entertainment photographer as well as someone who often records/edits multitrack audio I was really frustrated by the various windows laptops I was trying to get by with, and started my trek into the darkside (macOS) with an older macbook that pleasantly integrated perfectly out of the box with my iphone and ipad.
I needed more horsepower, on a budget, with simple redundancy and backup solutions.
Hence, the Cheesegrater.
I was able to score a 4,1 2009 cMP with 16GB ram and a 5770 for under $300 including tax and shipping on eBay.
I flashed it to 5,1 and scored a great deal on a pair of 6 core 3.46ghz westmeres for $225
upgraded to 96GB RAM, 802.11n/BT 4.0 , USB 3.0 , 1TB SSD, and a Sapphire Radeon Pulse 8GB along with 4x 4TB WD red drives in Raid 10, a USB 3.0 SD card reader, and a USB 3.0 8TB external HD for onsite backup (backblaze for off-site backup).
I've also got a 240GB SSD installed for a scratch drive that also contains the macOS Catalina install app patched in case I ever need it for recovery.
I's using dosdude1's Catalina patcher to run macOS Catalina unsupported, but it worked fine in Mojave anyway.
Total cost was less than $1500, and this system actually is quite fast. No boot screen, but it definitely meets my post production needs for Lightroom Classic and PhotoshopClassic, it runs multitrack audio I/O with Reaper very well - as many as 24 tracks with no latency or hiccups so far, and I've started messing around with Premier for video.
It's heavy, but in a special case it's portable enough to move to 3 different locations I work from. In one of these locations it runs 2x 55" screens in extended desktop feeding one screen into my entertainment complex while the other runs the virtual mixing board for reaper - simultaneously!
I liked it so well I built another cMP for backup/redundancy/plex server.
I scored a 8 core 2.8ghz 2008 cMP 3,1 for $28 on eBay ($70 with tax & ship), upgraded to 64 GB RAM, USB 3.0, 802.11n USB dongle and BT 4.0 USB dongle, installed the 5770 video card from my other cMP (kept the GT 8800 in case I ever need a boot screen for recovery on my other cMP), 2x HGST He8 4TB drives in Raid 0, and an 8TB WD external hard drive for on site backup. (no offsite backup for this one)
This one is running macOS Sierra with the server.app (with dosdude1's Sierra patcher), as Sierra was the last macOS version where server.app ran full featured. It hosts a mirror of my professional photo archive - both raw and processed photos, syncronized mirrors of my icloud, google drive, and microsoft onedrive contents for local network access, sonar, radar, and my local/external network available plex server that has run as many as 9 streams transcoding simultaneously without hiccups nor buffering.
This backup cMP, even though older, still runs current versions of Lightroom classic and Photoshop classic - so I can edit on it if the other cMP ever fails, and the freefilesync software keeps the phot archive directories updated across both machines.
I've got both cMPs up on a gigabit local network attached to gigabit Fios internet, and the whole ecosystem works together seemlessly - 2 cMPs, macbook, 3 iphones, ipad, and even various windows laptops and smart tvs.
It was through your videos I first got interested macOS and in in buying and upgrading an old Mac Pro to solve my post production problems in the first place.
Next step I'm stalking ebay for a 2012 27" imac for a dedicated, compact editing and post production station. Likely it will just screenshare the pair of cMPs running headless, but I'd probably still upgrade it according to the recommendations in your imac videos in case it needed to do anything more intensive.
Thanks for your great videos and for your enthusiasm for finding value in upgrades to older hardware.
Kelli
Thank YOU so much for sharing how you went about things. You know what's up!
"I have this Mac Pro but I'm not going to do anything in this video but tell you that I'm going to do stuff with it later"
You go man. You go do that. Let me know when it's already done.
You YT channel is very underrated. Your videos are very interesting and well done. Keep on doing them. Thank you!
I remember as a teen going to my step dads newspaper and they had 2-3 of these towers for the designers, it was amazing how good it look then and still like the look now
Because of your video, I bought a MacPro 5.1 2012 2x2.4 Ghz, 24 Gb ram, 240 Gb SSD, 500 HDD, 640 Gb HDD, ATI Radeon HD 5770 1Gb, for 2000 DDK(about $183). I have installed a USB3 PCI . On another 256 Gb SSD with Win 10 Pro. Bought and install a RX 590 8Gb GPU and install Mojave.
Hi Luke nice to see more people jumping into the old cheese grader Macs. They are fun to tinker with. I personally went with a 2009 4,1 model and took on the challenge of doing the firmware hack to force the system to a 5,1. it isn't easy but worth it as you gain quite a bit of knowledge as far as the system OS functionality. I replaced the stock 4 core with a 6 core xeon 3.46 ghz processor. I didn't delid it so I cant say what difference I'm getting as a result. I purchased cable end adapters to plug in a radeon rx 580. so far nothing has overheated or exploded so don't be nervous about upgrading to a beefier GPU. also I purchased a second daughterboard with twin cpu's as you've shown here and I want to change out both processors just to see what the system will give me. I'm currently booting off a 500 gb SSD so you can imagine how fast it is. look into that as well. I'll fill in the other drive slots with enterprise rated helium filled HDD's and be done with that aspect. it should net me 26-30+ terabytes of storage. I think that will be plenty. I stream from my iTunes movie collection through a Sony 4k television or the LG 32" Ultra Fine HDR IPS LED 4kUHD monitor. either display is a treat. it lets the rx 580 flex its muscles a bit. my point is these things are built like tanks and will let you have fun while you learn. I'll keep my eyes on your build as who knows you may fine a processor combo I don't know about and I can begin the upgrade process.........Again. Anyway sorry for the novel and thanks for post😎
Great video. I’ve been upgrading my mid-2012 Mac Pro over the years and it still runs great.
I got mine out of the rubbish a couple of years back, apparently the company that chucked it had no clue about tech. I just flashed my Mac Mini’s OS onto it and voila, an editing rig. They’d upgraded the crap out of it, it runs like a dream.
@@InimitaPaul Great to hear that. I've recently installed an AMD RX580 8GB (since I am a gamer). Prior to that I had several NVIDIA cards (which I prefer) but I could not get the web drivers to work anymore after 10.12.4 so I had to switch to AMDs since they are natively supported. Hopefully it will run for a few more years.
So beautiful. So timeless. Given the necessary upgrades over the years, they could've been selling this thing ever since it's inception and continue doing so for a good while. Everybody would've been happy and Apple wouldn't have lost countless major studios to the PC. Oh my.
I was expecting satisfying “click” sound when you put each modules back to the case
You do NOT have to de-lid the CPUs on a 4,1. I have a 4,1 and have upgraded processors twice (currently running 5690s) without de-lidding the CPUs. All you have to do is add a few washers to the posts that the heatsinks attach to to prevent the heat sink from pushing the lidded CPU into the socket too hard and bending the pins. There should be a number of threads or tutorials explaining how to do this on Mac Rumors. Anyway, cool project and good luck with the updates.
David M , I have a 4,1 running High Sierra, but never flashed it to 5,1 (a bit above my pay grade) but with the announcement of the new Mac Pro, I want to run my 4,1 for as long as possible. Any links to walk through your advice? Thx!
@@flea4631 There should be a number of threads about this on the macrumers forums.Try searching there. It's not that difficult to do. You have to first flash the 4,1 to 5,1. Then you have to do additional firmware updates to install Mojave, including having a Metal compatible GPU.
David M I’m having problems booting into Recovery mode (cmd R). Just bought a new keyboard and still the keyboard is non responsive till it boots up. Same goes with trying zap PRAM and target disk mode. That’s why I’m stuck on 4,1 running a patched High Sierra (problem with keyboard goes back before High Sierra.
@@flea4631 Does your GFX card provide a boot screen?
David M My octo core 4,1 has the stick GFX card and boots up fine except when trying to use keyboard shortcuts like zapping PRAM, booting go recovery mode or target disk mode, etc. I bought a new Macally wired keyboard this week as I thought my stock keyboard was defective. Btw, my boot drive are 2 SSD on a PCIe card in RAID. I do have a cloned boot drive on HD. Thx.
News Flash: The Mac Pro is not a "prosumer" machine. This is a PROFESSIONAL workstation. It's tailored to enterprise customers who do see the machine as an investment and as such are not dissuaded by the cost of the machine. Most consumers even if they want it, have absolutely no use for the power in this this machine.
Hence why I said that 'Pro' has moved down market and that this is a truly Pro Mac. That being said, there could still be a machine that with one platform goes from mid level pros (freelancers, CZcamsrs, etc) all the way up to movie studios and particle simulation. The Mac Pro could (arguably should) have been both
Companies who need this power... Always build their own
Not necessarily. Often the convenience of buying prebuilt is valuable. Especially if you're outfitting, say 6 editing bays, its pretty easy to go on Apple.com and check some boxes and then 6 editing workstations show up. Efficiency is key
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) that’s false. Companies that need that sort of power buy premade systems like BOXX, Dell, HP or even Apple. Nobody has time or interest in fooling around with some personally built concoction other than freelancers and normal consumers. If they’re in serious business they buy prebuilt systems, install them and if there’s a problem they remove the system with the issue and replace it with another prebuilt that’s pretty much exactly the same and uniform.
@@liquidmark5081
You are delusional. They hire someone to build and take care of the system. not some premade system from website.
I’m from the Netherlands and build the following Mac Pro:
- [ ] Mac Pro 5.1 12 core x 3.46Ghz
- [ ] 6x8Gb = 48gb 1333Mhz ECC ram
- [ ] AMD Radeon RX580 4gb
- [ ] Kingston M.2 HyperX Predator AHCI 240Gb (flashblade)
- [ ] Samsung 960 EVO 500Gb(flashblade)
- [ ] 1tb HDD for back-up
- [ ] USB 3.0 4-ports.
- [ ] price euro 2175 = $2450
- [ ] €250 for NEC MultiSync 30 inch professional LCD3090WQXi monitor inc Stand😛
So my total investment euro 2425 = approx $ 2750
Geekbench 4: single score 3009, multi score 27434 under Mojave. Under HS multi 31000. Cinebench 3379.
@@AppleReviews You can get away with putting in 3.73Ghz CPUs. It has a 980 watt power supply. From the wall it only pulls 600watts with a GTX 1060 and a GTX 1070 under full load for me. Apple designed it to be extremely quiet and the cooling is quite effective even if ambient temperatures are quite warm.
Build with threadripper instead bro...similar performence for half the price
3009 single core score, lol.
I love the layout of this machine. Great video!
Looking forward to the rest of your upgrade videos in this series. I love my 2012 mac pro.
Cuttooth's Room me too I upgraded my ram to 16 gigabytes and installed a one terabyte ssd drive, it is a gift to creating music 🎶
”How i’m gonna build the best Mac Pro in the world” Then uses an old amd 290X card...
Still using my maxed-out 2012 MacPro. 12 cores at 3.46 GHz.... Well, not totally maxed out, since I only have 64 GB RAM, not 128. All SSD...
I love it -- my favorite computer ever. Latest upgrade was a Radeon RX-580 card
Can you please recommend me what video cards are compatible and worth buying for the 2012 Mac Pro? Thank you for any help. I work with large 3D scenes.
@@stevenp6761 as mentioned above I use the Radeon RX-580, very capable 8 GB video card. It has two HDMI ports and two full-sized DV ports, so you can run four monitors from it. It's really the only "metal support" option for Macs this old.
It's surprising how much processors have stopped evolving since everyone started focusing on peripheral speed instead, these machines are still running great to this day and are neck and neck with similar options, I desperately needed a new intel Mac and it was either a 4.1 dual cpu or a newer Mac mini (2018 i3, couldn't find any i5s for a price less than the new m1) got the 4.1 and I couldn't be happier with Logic Pro X and pro tools running great, and with a flash that took 7 minutes and a some upgrades it can stay way above any 1000+ euro imac sold here used where I live (from my experience anything with a passmark score of 4000-4500 is way more than enough for my work) and I love the I/o expansion.
Luke, I don't like correcting youtubers but on the PCIE power connectors there are 40w on each positive pin. That means 6 pin adapters will output 120W, with the 75W in the slot you have a total of 315w. Mine is powering a Vega 56, with 2- 6-8 pin adapters off the logic board with no issues at all. When these Mac pros (5,1) were designed, the HD7970s were pulling about 314w under load and those were being used widely in these machines.
This sounds great. Thank you for linking your resources, that'll definitely make things easier for us haha
After you said "too bad that doesn't exist. Oh wait! It does!" and then showed the trash can Pro, I literally shouted NO at my phone.
Couple of things to note
- you don't need delidded CPUS for a 4,1 you just need spacers or to not clamp the heat sink down as hard
- mini 6 pins are not the same as 6 pins and can put out a total of 150w each totally 375watt. This is well documented and I'm not sure why this keeps going around
I have five 2010 Mac Pros, each running 96 GB Ram, Catalina 10.15.3, and Sapphire RX580 Pulse and Nitro+ cards (boot efi were recently upgraded by mac vid cards) and they do NOT need any modification to the power supplies, they have been working perfectly with the RX580 cards, and before that RX280 cards for many years now just using the motherboard power plugs. I connect a minimum of two 30 and/or 34 and/or 24 inch Dell monitors via display port on each machine and all have have USB3 and/or USB-C PCI cards as well as all boot from both 2TB Samsung NVME and SATA SSDs also on PCI card adapters and each tower has four 6TB WD Black HDDs. No problem with powering all of that! Performance is outstanding considering the approx. $1500 cost for assembling each system. Only "downside " is lack of thunderbolt 3 and SATA to the HDDS is the 2010 version. The SATA SSDs on the PCI cards run at about 550 mB/s and the NVME at about 1450 mB/s
At least you qualified your title with 'for a lot of people'. Fact is....The 12 Core Trashcan is the best machine for my needs. Small, silent, no thermal throttling and second hand prices make it a good deal...regardless of your last 'Review'. It's a keeper. I suspect they will become more sort after now (since 2019 prices have been indicated). Just as the 5,1 will get a boost in popularity.
i love your videos, they helped a great deal on upgrading my 2012 mac pro
Right 👍 It is the best. Figured out just today to install catalina on the Mac Pro5,1 running very smooth for a beta. Continue the great work. Waiting for the next videos
How? Is there an article or a post in a forum somewhere?
Austin Lynum Essentialliy you have to disable SIP in Recovery mode and after reboot enter this code in Terminal sudo nvram boot-args="-no_compat_check" The only thing left is to download catalina on a supported mac and install the beta on an external drive. In my case a sata ssd and a sata to usb cable. The mac must have a metal gpu like in mojave.👍
@@eddyhorsky1662 Awesome! Thanks for the tip!
Best feature: 1000$ stand
Apple is like April fools but it's 24/7
MANUEL XAVIER your comment is gold lol
@Alex K hahahaha
If you cannot afford a Tesla S, you cannot afford the new Mac Pro 2019 or new Apple Monitor with Stand.
I’d pay $2,999 for that beautiful masterpiece of a stand
@@romari2706 hahahaha
Was thinking about getting 5,1 Mac Pro, but the used market in Australia is nuts and it looks like Apple will not give it Native support in MacOS 10.15. hopefully dosdude1 also creates a patcher for 10.15 as well.
I'm sure you got it figured out but I would try opencore!
I just subbed! Can't wait for this series. Spare no expense and make it future proof!
at least he protected it, I'm sure we've all had things come from eBay broken rattling around unprotected in a box.
7:55 hehe ‘to the macs’
I bought a 4,1 mac pro that'd been 2010 firmware flashed and had its CPU tray also replaced with the single 6-core one from a 2010 or 2012 and had had an x5690 installed on it, along with 32gB of memory. Pop in an rx570 I already had, a second SSD, 120gB and a random 500gB hard drive I had lying around, to compliment the 240gB SSD and 640gB HD that was already in it and this is now my main machine. I love it to pieces (best computer I've ever owned). Every Mac claims that this model won't support Catalina, but I have faith that Dosdude1 or perhaps someone else will easily get around that problem and we can enjoy these iconic, legendary machines for even more years to come. I know I have many years of upgrades left for mine.
Even if it doesn't get Catalina Mojave will be perfectly fine for several years on these machines, they're so dependable and robust
I bought a 2012 5,1 with dual 2.4GHz cpu's about a year ago for about $1000 australian , took the dual cpu's out and installed a single 3.33GHz 6core, updated the video card to a nice GTX one, took out the old HD's and installed 2 SSD's, put 32megs of ram in it, blew it all out with compressed air and cleaned it down real nice, it's now my main audio production computer and works beautifully. Couldn't be happier.
fiddlestickz muzik How does the single 3.33 compare to the dual 2.4’s it replaced. Holding out for a dual CPU 5,1 but saw a decent single 3.33 and got wondering.
@@timsteryt well for what I do ( Audio ) the 3.33 was perfect, the dual 2.4 seemed sluggish and with audio you don't need so many cores it's just the raw speed to run high end plug ins like Uhe sell. There was nothing to be gained from running dual cpu's, cooling of just one at a good speed does the job perfectly.
I just sold mine because it was essentially a Ferrari collecting dust in a garage. I had 12-cores Xenon 3.33GHz, PCI-Samsung AHCI 512GB M.2 SSD BOOT, 16TB RAID 0, took out the optical drive to allow two more HDDs, 64GB RAM, PCI-USB-C, replaced the Wi-Fi/Bluetooth card to get AirDrop to Mac/iPhone and AMD Radeon Vega Frontier Edition 12GB to update freely to new macOS without waiting for NVIDIA to release drivers. Let me know if you need to know anything because "I've been there done that." with this machine.
0:27 at first when you said that I thought you made it up but you immediately backed it up at 0:29
Have this, upgraded to dual cpu 6 core Xeon at 3.66 ghz, 40 GB ram, nvidia 1070 6 gb gpu, 512 gb ssd primary drive, and usb 3 as extra pci card
Wuz ur geekbench and cinebench score?
Can’t rightly say - I almost never use it, had it powered on a half a year ago... I’m almost never home where it is
How many desktops can boot directly into 4 different operating systems? My 3.1 runs Sierra, XP64, Linux and WIN11 - selectable at boot. All 4 are fast and stable. It even boots directly from the USB slots, which allows for easy wipes. cloning, etc. It's a wonderfully versatile machine and amazingly reliable.
Can’t wait to see the end product this is going to be awesome
I love watching your videos. So thorough and so informative.
Where did he get the Mac Pro 5, 1 for $500?
Leland Talbert eBay lol
@@dragontechroyale4k447 I know that. Let me clarify which seller or company on eBay?
I just snapped one up on eBay with dual a cpu for $300. Not in perfect shape but good enough!
It was already twice as fast as my 2007 Mac Pro out of the (packing peanuts) box 🤣
That's great !! Can't wait to see the final results !! Looking forward that :D
Can’t wait to see the finished results, I’ve been thinking about buying one in upgrading it
The absolute best Mac Pro ever made!
One major drawback that you didn't really address in the video is that OSX Catalina and beyond will not be supported on this Mac. So you're going to be stuck on Mojave until you get a new machine. Eventually app updates from Adobe and others will drop Mojave support, and you won't be able to update your software. It's not a huge issue if you're not interested in running the latest and greatest features, but it is worth noting.
Love the 5:53 AJR transition!
Good spotting, Break my Face is a good one!
Luke Miani My personal favorite of Neotheater!
I'm running Linux Debian 12 on this machine and it works a beauty. It's like a new computer. Using a powerful enough Nvidia graphics card I'm editing professional video and sound using BlackMagics DaVinci Resolve.
8:43 - Wrong!
Each output 150W. Combined with the PCI-E slot the system is capable of handling 375W max.
If the max was 225W I wouldn’t be able to get my R9 280X to work properly(250W).
Great project! Along the way it would be great if you compared each configuration to other Macs like iMacs, iMac Pros, and minis.
Now that's what I call a subscription worth video... Intrigued. Waiting for the next videos in the series.
Dude that's a kick ass deals I've been on mac of all trades all morning and I see macs for $799 and not even close to those speks!
I just did a similar project; 5,1 2012, 12-core, with 64gb = $825 purchase price. Added; 250gb M.2 as boot drive, 2tb Crucial SSD as scratch, USB C ports (all 3 via PCI), updated GPU, Mojave, 4x 12TB Iron Wolf HDD, and it screams. Got Geek Bench multi-core score of 21,197. Final price, $1,750-ish.
james floyd which card did you use for usb-c?
Sold mine early 2008 8-Core Mac Pro a few years ago since Apple stop macOS update for it and it was getting slow even with SSD/RAMS/Graphics Card update.
Awesome. Can’t wait to watch the following videos
This thing is a relic of great times when Apple was pre-pride and people still knew how to talk properly to each other.
Great creative presentation Luke - will be a keen follower interested to witness the end results too what is the best Mac Pro ever built - 5,1. Keep up the great work!
I love the PowerMac G5 and the late 2000's Mac Pro design. Now its's glad to see that Apple has partially retained the old cheesegrater design.
Thank you for doing these Mac Pro videos.
For its age it's a solid tower. I still have mine and have done many upgrades, NVMe SSD, Radeon VII, etc.. But with Catalina and no official support from Apple you're only recourse is hex editing files and patching, even then it's with a lot of compromises. Now, if Mojave is about as far as you need for the foreseeable future you can still get some good use of out of it.
Just a couple of advantages of the 6,1 MP: CPU can be upgraded, as well as RAM and SSD...and it will support Catalina natively. Oh and it does not heat up your room, uses less power, and is a lot quieter. So don't always dismiss the 6,1 right away.
You don't need to delid the CPU at all. I been running 2x 3.46 6 Core with the lids on them. What you need to do is break the fan wire clip so it can float freely on the CPU tray. Been running this setup for 3 years now with no issue. Also you need to add heat exchange tap to the try as well.
10:08 lol "Best Mac Pro in the World". I literally laughed out loud. The reason I laughed is because whenever I hear someone use the expression "in the world" it reminds me that we've yet to discover life or sustainable conditions on other planets anywhere in the universe... so whenever you say "Best Mac Pro in the World", I heard, "Best Mac Pro, all things considered, in the Universe!" Gosh I wish you'd said that lololol
I just bought a 2008 Mac Pro Quad Core 3.0Ghz earlier this week for $125. I’m going to throw a good $500 into upgrades. I always wanted another cheese grater since my PowerPC G5!
I recently bought an almost new 7,1 , but I am keeping my best 5,1 and its similar to where luke went with this one.... and I can tell youthat running catalina its no slouch either. Its still a very good machine in 2023 as long as you are happy with dosdude catalina. My experiences with opencore persuaded me to get a newer machine to run ventura !
The most underrated tech youtuber
I never been so excited for something on CZcams in my whole life! Awesome vid.
I still have my 2010 12-Core with Titan RTX but for me 10yrs of service it's time for me to retire the classic, I might be purchasing the 2019 Mac Pro 12-Core with the Pro display this fall
Will you put in M.2 SSDs with a PCIe Adapter?
Throw alle the Hardrives out and use 4 Sata SSDS in Raid4 with softraid?
Really curious what you gonna do... Should have kept mine...
BTW this video got me to subscribe :)
1:56 that transition though
evil laugh at luke saying he's making the most powerful mac in the world
This honestly sounds like a steal, I’m sure the RAM is a bit slow and so are the hard drives, but still not a bad deal at all.
I wish you the best of luck, I’ve already been down this road in 2013 with a 2,1 from 2007. I feel like I wasted my time and money but I was a dumb kid. Apple stopped sending it updates shortly after I bought it so it was useless fairly quickly.
actually you could have used a MacPro 2.1 with Mac OS El Capitan, which was officially supported until October 2018: that's eleven years, and you complain about the computer becomeing useless "fairly quickly"??? it's the same with a MP 5.1 , which can officially run Mojave (supported until October 2021) but you can get it to run Catalina, Big Sur and Monterey with little effort....
I bet the motherboards are different for each model of the new mac pro, which means the cpu determines the amount the tower can be upgraded over the life if the machine, also the cpu choice will impact the downgrades available in the configuration at the point of sale! In short if you think you can buy the lowest priced version and upgrade later you are kidding yourself, as always Apple is a ripoff! The chassis is looking sweet thro.
All CPU's available for this machine use the same socket and have the same number of PCIe lanes to them. Also, having multiple motherboards makes very little sense. A professional machine lineup needs to be as similar as possible on both extremes of the spectrum. While Apple may look into a Threadripper based system in the future (high starting core count, and current generation threadrippers can have up to 32 cores), they need to keep it as unified as possible. The only reason why a company like Dell or HP would change the motherboards used in a single desktop lineup would be a new generation of Intel/AMD processors.
Of course it's the best choice. You can upgrade basically anything in there and they are pretty cheap nowadays.
The 5.1 and before won't get Catalina though. And the new Mac Pro looks more like a cheese grater than ever before. The more cheese the better, right?
Casper S� yeah this is my problem right now. What to get.... (um not the new one)
I’m buying the 2012 year make of these classic Mac Pros. I’m not a gamer, so the graphics card is not really an issue for me. I need this machine to do music, that all.
I love my 2009 Mac Pro. That is all.
I get the feeling U can afford that new Mac Pro at even $10k hehe. I had to get a 3yo mid Mac Pro 5,1 dual Workstation. I still have it and spec'd it out. I used a Radeon r9 390X (had Quadro M4000) (RX-580 Mac Ed today), 2x X5690's, 48GB (6x8g) ECC 12800 DDR3 L in Tri-Chan (it took 96Gb but I didn't need it yet), Samsung EVO 860's 1Tb, LG BD optical. A1407 27" Thunderbolt Display, Magic 2 BT kit (keyboard/ mouse/ trackpad). I kept my G5 wired Pro Extended set. now I'm saving for a used Xeon Scalable Gold 5115 Mac next. For fun, I OC’d the pulled E5620’s & they did awesome as well.
I used an RX 580 GPU in my 5,1. Couldn't be happier. No hassle with power except for having to purchase a 6to8pin power cable.
@@yeknommonkey Not sure to be honest. I've been using it in this configuration for around 6 months now and seems to be ok? *Fingers crossed* nothing blows! >.< That being said I'm not sure how long I would stay with my 5,1 considering the next MacOS will no longer support it.
"Cue the star wipe..." I'm still running my 2010 quad-core 5,1. That's a good price for what you got. And its upgradable.
Cant wait for more videos on this!!!
I'm wondering how expensive it would be to buy only the motherboard from the new Mac Pro 2019 and customize the rest of the components with standard PC hardware.
if you qualify for replacement warranty pricing (you have a board that is damaged, not tampered with which will be sent back) it's not too expensive but if you don't qualify and want to just buy a new board outright then either you will not be able to or you will be charged more than a new machine, that's how apple works
I’m excited to see what you do Luke. I hope you post a video comparing what you find when going from those 2.4 Dual Xeon chips to the 3.0+ Xeon chips. I would like to see this especially in a 4K editing set up. Oh and will you be trying dual GPUs or a single very powerful GPU?
Great video Luke. Will be following your progress.
Most favorite CZcamsr of Macs info
1:50 THIS is why there is a gap in apples lineup. They have the iMac and the iMac Pro, and now they have the Mac Pro. All they need now is a regular Mac. A tiny tower in 5K iMac price territory that user modular, consumer grade components.
Excelente... acá en chile tienes un suscriptor contento y esperando los siguientes capítulos de este nuevo renacer del MacPro 5.1... Saludos desde Chile!!!!
Thank you. I am "in" and just subscribed. I have a 2009 Mac Pro still working perfectly but struggling with 4K video editing and Premier Pro. I was about to buy a PC Tower but your video intrigues me. Please let us know what your timeline is to complete the project and the nature of complexity for those who are inexperienced with this kind of work. I would pay more to buy new but I hear you saying it's better to be in a position to upgrade over time. Thanks for the terrific work!!!
Can CZcams’s stop calling it cheese grater. I think we had enough this joke.
It’s not even a joke lol it’s just the lingo that most people use