Can SA-10, SA-12, SA-15, SA-19, Gepard Or Patriot Beat Iskander Hypersonic Missiles? | DCS
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- We simulate to test whether Ukrainian S-300PS, S-300V, SA-15, SA-19 or US Patriot or German Gepard missile defense systems can defend against Russia's Hypersonic Ballistic Iskander missile launchers.
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Hi the small holes in the PAC-3 MSE are Attitude control motors. Essentially tiny solid rocket motors that fire hundrets times per second in the final approach to guarantee a hit.
I enjoy these sims a lot :)
LOVE HOW you can basically simulate World War III and then just fly ur jet around and shoot at targets
of opportunity in the carnage , but still new to dcs, I downloaded the mod files, what do I do with them? dump in a mod folder and that's it or is it more complicated?
49:35
No Cap, those are the lateral thrusters the missile uses to improve interception. They're like little rocket motors.
That's what enables the hit-to-kill capability.
The European Aster has something similar, integrated in the fins ("PIF" system).
It's a pity that such things aren't modeled, because they're key technologies for those missiles. That's what makes them really good IRL.
Thanks
at least the newer version of the örlikon 35mm use programmable time fused projectiles. meaning each projectile will get programed with a time so it will detonate shortly before it reaches the target. the projectiles themselves don't actually contain a lot of explosives, just enough to break it apart. most of the room in the projectiles is taken up with shrapnel that will then spread into a cone moving towards the target. meaning they don't actually have to hit the target, just get close enough to it.
Hypersonic missiles are also more vulnerable to shrapnel because of the relative velocity when impacting bits in their flight path.
@@stupidburp good point, but i'm not sure it would have helped with them, since it didn't manage to fire at them. i was thinking more like the cruise missiles. specifically sice cap said he'd seen missiles fly between the bullets.
I was gonna say, I thought they should've been able to handle a Kalibr. Wasn't there a video of one doing this exact thing successfully in Ukraine some time ago?
@@Zakatak-mf4iq kalibr is a low velocity cruise missile, if your placement on their trajectory is good, you can smash them even with shilkas.
@@stupidburp that's why hypersonic missiles are built with anti-aa maneuvers, because flying in straight line even if you have speed superiority will almost guarantee interception. Basically DCS does not have any advanced missile simulation at all, even quite old rockets like onyx are flying here in a straight line, while they were built to constantly maneuver and dynamically choose targets in hive-like manner at low altitudes.
49:40 IIRC the holes are small impulse rocket motors/jets (or w/e their actual name is) that are used for higher accuracy during terminal guidance.
Thanks!
Very entertaining Cap! Thanks for all you do to give us great videos.
To address the question regarding what are referred to at approximately 49:37 as "perforations" are Attitude Control Motors (ACMs), rather than sensors. ACMs are actually small solid rocket motors, 180 of which are mounted in the missile forebody. Pulsed firing of the ACMs enable fine adjustments in the missile's trajectory, controlled by the missile seeker & guidance system, providing an exceptionally high degree of accuracy in the PAC-3 & PAC-3 MSE.
Thanks!
This is the most relevant test to date. Excellent work, gents.
Now i want One with a SM 3 Block 2
didn't the pac3 intercept an iskander for the first time a couple days ago?
As far as hypersonic, kind of a really niche weapon set that as mentioned in the video need to fit into a doctrine. Also hypersonic weapons tend to be exorbitantly expensive compared to their super and sub sonic counterparts. Certain velocities force you to remember the laws of physics and atmospheric conditions have a say in weapon efficacy.
They also don’t understand what a hypersonic missile is. They claim Iskander-M is a hypersonic missile. It’s not. They also claim US has no hypersonic missiles. We do.
US minutemen missiles go 20,000+ mph. To be considered a hypersonic missile in the modern age, you have to go Mach 5+ and have the ability to maneuver around to avoid radar and air defenses. Iskander-M can not do that. Neither can the “Kinzhal”, which is just an air launched Iskander.
US has tested numerous hypersonic missiles. Air launched missiles, cruise missiles and of course ballistic. The us hypersonic cruise missile is about to go into production.
China might be the only country with an active hypersonic missile. We say maybe, because haven’t seen footage of it working.
@@sweettrav20Ballistic missiles are fast, but their paths are predictable. This makes it a little easier to shoot down true ballistic missiles. The kicker with these hypersonic missiles is their ability to fly evasive courses. Makes intercepting them much more difficult.
@@sweettrav20 No, Iskander-M is hypersonic, how whethers hypersonic or high-hypersonic in its terminal phase will depend on whether its still boosting.
No hypersonic is a speed threshold, its doesnt encompass speed, guidance and maneuverability.
So yes, Iskander-M is a hypersonic, and even with your pseudo definition of it, its still classed as a hypersonic.
What they meant when they said the US has no hypersonics, is that they have no tactical/battlefield hypersonic missiles like the Iskander-M, Kinzhal, Zircon etc etc.
But yes, they have some about to go into production for example the LRHW.
China isnt, there are many nations.
@@rileymorrisroe6743 not in a modern sense. It’s just a ballistic missile that happens to go hypersonic. But it’s not a hypersonic missile. Let me explain.
The German V-2 was also hypersonic, but that is a hypersonic weapon. It travels in a ballistic trajectory. To be classified as a hypersonic missile, it needs to travel hypersonic while having maneuverability and fly in an unpredictable flight path. The reason Patriot is shooting down Islanders and Kinzhals is because they travel in a predictable ballistic trajectory.
Even China says Russia doesn’t have true hypersonic missiles.
@@sweettrav20 So its a ballistic missile that happens to got hypersonic....in other words a hypersonic missile, no need to sugar coat it😂
One issue missing here is that all of these missile systems would be part of an Integrated Air Defence system with other radars awacs etc to aid in aiming... as to the guns they are there to make the ground pounders feel good at taking out helo's etc... but as to taking out a SRBM well 2 hopes and Bob's off playing golf... also the Kinshal missile is basically an Iskander launched from a Mig-31 which explains why it has better speed as it's launched as fast a the Mig can go with the missile slung underneath also for the Iskander/Kinshal it carries decoys in the base of the missile round the rocket motor to aid penetration into the target area. But an excellent video showing how it would operate alone... ( I spend too long reading books Janes Defence books in the 90's amongst other defence journals.. and now I just basically keep up with what is going on out there)...
Grim Reapers, I just wanted to thank you for all the hard work you guys put it, and I like interactions between you guys and gal!
Thanks.
Fucking love this ch guy, propper champ throwing out models like it’s nothing
Excellent work by CH! If you need an excellent SHORAD the Sky Sabre is not that bad for it. Short range, fast rate of fire, and the CAMM missiles can pull high Gs easily. Its like an Aster 15 missile but better. And the track/search radar is mounted higher up like 50-60 feet. Its a very good SAM site and it has a sea variant to it, this will be fitted in the Type 45 Destroyers later on. It will replace the Aster 15 missiles.
And ESSM for US
Great content as usual!!!!
Another great video GR, entertaining and informative at the same time! And I definitively have to learn the mission editor to play around with this kinda stuff! Btw, what about the IRIS-T, would that have been another interesting candidate?
I thought about it but we don't have the version that's in Ukraine, so I thought I best not.
It's amazing that the old Gepards from the 70's can locate these missiles so quickly.
The weapons are outdated but it's still a good mobile radar system.
The US experimented with hypersonics in the 50’s and 60’s. If I’m not mistaken the Islkander ballistic missiles are a violation of the SRBM treaty that got rid of the Pershing II systems in the ‘90’s.
CH air defense wish list-- Avenger Air Defense System, Irish Thor, Rheinmetal Skynex, C-Ram, Stryker A1 IM-Shorad, Hypersonic Blitzer Cannon, Stryker DE M-Shorad, THAAD, and Aegis Ashore!🙏👍
CH at it again, making top quality mods :)
Ok, This just happened for the first time IRL with the PAC3 and Iskander, yes?
Air launched iskander yes.
There is a video of the Gepard shooting down a Russian cruise missile, so they are certainly able to down them in real life (of course we don't know the kill ratio). The version Ukraine got is the improved 1A2 version though.
They can't intercept it even after the attack a few weeks ago they came out and said they can't intercept it. But you have to factor in that humans have a limit to how fast they can react and respond to an unknown threat.
@@marshalljulie3676 I talked about something like Iskander K or Kalibr, not Iskander M. If you have watched the video, you should know that these are totally different missiles.
Plenty of cruise missiles (not Iskander-M!) have been shot down in Ukraine.
I saw the vid but I think it was actually shooting at a drone.
@@grimreapers I am no expert, but more knowledgeable people like Ukraine Weapons Tracker seem to think it's a cruise missile based on speed and size of the explosion. Shaheds are awfully slow.
S-300 ain't gonna find low flying stuff without the Clamshell yo (or whatever the updated code name is). They put that thing on a mast for a reason.
In addition, I think there may actually have been a mix of core game S-300 units and mods which could have caused them to not work that well together.
I tried to stick to core-game only for the S-300, hopefully I didn't mess it up.
I'm sure they would have systems all around the area to be defended. They don't know what direction the attack will come from, and any target will likely be in a good position for one of the launch sites.
Glad to hear that Cap is feeling better.
Despite all the hate that Patriot gets on the internet, it still is doing well in this simulation and in real life. Not perfect, but intercepts most incoming threats. That is a heck of a lot more than the none intercepted by many of the old Soviet systems.
I am curious how well the Polish system of Patriots armed with SkyCeptors will do. Much cheaper missiles than PAC-3MSE but are they still good enough to do the job? Probably yes for aircraft at least but don’t know for missile targets.
Also curious about how well the German MEADS would perform.
MEADS has fancy specifications but is expensive. Is it worth it?
Great!
Iskander has finally came.
And so did i
49:50 i believe those are a bunch of 1 time use attitude control motors
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Nice 1 ;)
Hi Ello!
The guy that designed the Patriot also designed the guidance system for the Apollo moon shots.
I get the feeling he may be smart.
now I kinda understand where this Russian "the UA ADF hit the residential buildings with their own missiles" comes from
Waiting for S500 Promtheus 😎
Agree
It reminds you of the kinzal because that’s just an air lunched ballistic missile
Isn't Kinzal just the warhead from Iskander? Like literally just remove booster and attach to Mig-31.
@@jjkrayenhagen yes basically
The SA-10, at least in game, requires a clamshell radar to be able to find targets that low.
thx
Effing tree shows up in the worst possible spot! lol
Now we need the THAAD system in DCS!
Could literally hear Cap rubbing his hands together in glee.
FUN - my Dad was an Electrical Engineer who worked a LOT of the MATHS on this stuff in the 70s - he could never tell me specifics, but it was a lot of Phased Array stuff, terrain masking, and bitching about the speed of software up into the 80s. They knew the issues, it was getting the software and processing to keep up with the MATH.
Your dad is freakin cool.
Robert, I worked on the system to merge realtime data from multiple RADAR sources on an RAF plane (say no more than that!) and you're right the hardware just couldn't keep up which meant we had to spaghetti-code on point-to-point systems to minimise latency which made them impossible to upgrade - and they were obsolete by the time they got into service - pretty much the F-22 story in a nutshell, the onboard computers are 25 years out of date as are the databuses - an amazing plane though (as a plane). F-35 isn't that great in this respect either - the European fighter trio learned from the failings of the previous British project were designed with much more open architectures and have been kept reasonably current hardware wise as they were developed, as did Sea Harrier FA2's superb Blue Vixen - which was one of the first systems in the world with real time digital signal processing behind the RADAR data processing. This became CAPTOR-M which still punches way above its weight as a fighter sized RADAR - actually still better than most AESA RADARs at long-range search and track. Obviously AESA sets are brilliant multi-taskers. Until F-22 receives a new RADAR with gallium arsenide TX/RX modules I would bet my mortgage on tranche-3 onwards Typhoon out-performing it at long range search and track. The current APG77 TX/RX modules soon overheat in high power search modes and switch to performance-limiting cooling strategies - and the back end computing is pretty pathetic anyway. F-35 and F-22 need total avionics refits due to the drawn out nature of development. late block F-15EX is actually more up-to-date - being an easy plane to upgrade due to the bolt on nature of everything (Like Typhoon, Gripen and Rafale) - even block 4 F-35 is a compromise carrying lots of antique carryovers.
The little holes you were looking at are lateral maneuvering thrusters. Like little rocket engines that allow it to change course off-power and in thin atmosphere when the control surfaces are near worthless. It's a big part of the reason it's able to hit-to-kill.
thxx
Really curious to see if you guys are able to model the Integrated Battle Command System (IBCS) that will be the primary system starting this year that the US Military and its allies use to combat missile/weapon threats. The fact it can utilize radar from any allied asset and compute an intercept is insane.
When you fast-forwarded the conversation you almost sounded like the "Binar" from Star Trek TNG lol.
There was a big problem in the Falklands of the ships blinding each other's radar because of close proximity in the bay.
where did you download this mod iskander, i didn't find anything
Holes are not fusing, its shift rocket motors, like space shutlle, shift missile in space sideways. Great video, but I may suggest two tweaks: fire offensive at least 100-200 miles away like in real life , send cruise missiles at least 400 feet above or higher as in real life
Thanks.
Do defensive sytems normally stand alone like these were, or are they normally part of a greater radar and defence network?
At least under Western doctrine and technology, the latter.
Yes BUT we deliberately isolated them so we could study each type of system.
Typically in the West, yes, but Russia likes to heavily integrate their SAM defenses, which makes it all the more deadly and efficient.
Simulate deploying short, medium and long rand NATO air defense systems together vs a complex attack made up of shahed drones, commercial drones, cruise missiles and +/- ballistic missiles. Maybe mix up land and sea-launched missiles of differenent varieties. Program some target deconfliction if you can(don’t have long range air systems(patriot) take on shahed drones, for example). That would be cool. Nice work cap and other dude. -Viewington
Love to see what C-RAM could/would do...
The model is awesome! Eyeliner lol.
The Kinshal is nothing but an air-to-ground version of the Iskander-M. And while both reach hypersonic speeds, they are not what today is considered to be a "hypersonic missile".
What? Its still a hypersonic missile it has been, it is and will continue to be as there is no other meaning of hypersonic outside of the mach 5 threshold. Too many people are making pseudo definitions of the term hypersonic.
@@rileymorrisroe6743 No, it isn't - at least not what the current hype is all about. If the Iskander-M and Kinshal are "hypersonic missiles", the Scud is one as well. Even the V-2 was scraping the Mach 5 threshold.
What today is considered a hypersonic missile is either a cruise missile with a scramjet or a hypersonic glide vehicle that's "riding the atmosphere" before it strikes. Both types are highly maneuverable. That's what is meant, when we talk about "hypersonic missiles".
The Iskander-M and the Kinshal are neither. They also aren't "highly maneuverable", albeit being steerable to a certain degree. They are semi-hallistic. But that's it. That's also the reason why Israel "only" had to develop "David's Sling" to counter them, while she currently develops "Sky Sonic" to deal with real hypersonic threats (David's Sling's "Stunner" interceptor btw. is also used for the newest Patriot iteration PAAC-4).
@@philippk819 Yes....anything the passes the hypersonic threshold is a hypersonic weapon...making most ballistic missiles hypersonic. Its not a hard concept, there's no need to create pseudo definitions where the real definitions are set in stone.
A bunch of word salad doesnt change the fact that a hypersonic weapon is anything that passes the mach 5 threshold. All youve done is list the subcategories of a HW, being HCMs, HGVs etc😂.
And im not getting into a samantical argument with you over the definition of 'highly maneuverable'.
Greetings Grim Reapers! Cap, is it at all possible to model a “laser” for an Arleigh Burke or Gerald R Ford???
It's only our TO DO list but low priority as we have so many in-service stuff to model.
@@grimreapers I shall wait patiently for that, in the meantime I will continue to watch and like EVERY SINGLE vid you have! I enjoy them all! Thank you for your and your teams dedication!!! #Grimreapers
hey whats wiht the land base cwis
Just signed onto patreon Cap, thanks for free viewing to date! Valued provider.
Thanks a lot! Keeps me in business.
You joke about putting them on the roof of a tall building, but ISTR during the 2012 Olyimpics in London units *were* put on the roof of residential tower blocks near the Olympic park in Stratford. So might be worth a try (though some of these look pretty heavy!!)
Amazing idea! Do we have any pics from 2012?
@@grimreapers They were Rapier installations on the rooftops.
i would think sam placement is entirely dependent on how valuable the target is to you. if its extremely valuable you place four batteries around the city, not so valuable one battery closest to what you're protecting yet in line with the direction of your threat.
I would like to see the RBS70 NG in a sam system. I really do enjoy these systems testing videos🎉
Those holes on the missile look like maneuvering rockets exhaust ports (similar to the Dragon GATM).
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My family has served multiple generations in CAF, and one of my relatives, who is an active NCO, told me and my dad, "We don't want the dumb jock types anymore." My dad, who was a bad ass Airborne Sgt. and served with some bad assed soldiers north and south of the 49th parallel. (The latter he was ordered to volunteer to be a Canadian "observer" or something of that nature with some LRRP'S in Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam) said to that kid, "you mean the guys that think on their feet, and won two world wars, and who were regarded as some of the best soldiers in the world, man for man?"
It's a sad state of affairs in our military and government as they seem to emulate each other.
Now we need the THAAD
have u done the battle of britain yet if not can u do one love ur vids on dcs hopefully i can get on it one i get a better pc or gpu
is there any chance you could test Skysaber (Camms)
Working on it.
CH is an awesome modder. I’ve been using mine to blow up the Bellagio and the Luxor on the Vegas map.
the missile knows where it is
Greetings from Sweden!
Do you need 'combined arms' for these mods?
I don't think so.
Just started but cool. Take out hypersonics! Thanks CH
I believe the "holes" you are referencing in this video with the PATRIOT pac3 interceptors are the reaction control system ports.
Don't worry Cap, my donations are never altered when we lose. Next one coming when I get my next donation (paycheck). Long live Grim Reapers. And CH is a genius. He needs taken care of too!
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I would have liked to see the S300 and the one after positioned at the target (maybe slightly above or below but very near the target) aswell. You did that in the start but then stopped.
These high mach missiles could be hot enough to get an ir track, these ground units might be better behind the target.
at least in theory they are so fast, that friction will turn the air into a plasma infront of them. that would make ir tracks really easy, but interestingly make radar tracking incredibly hard. plasma is opaque to radar waves, so a radar would be mostly blocked from reaching the missile and could therefore not be reflected back.
@@saladiniv7968 That is false, Plasma reflects radar waves
@@thedausthed exactly the point, the shape of the plasma shock wave will apparently have a much smaller radar signature than the missile.
@@saladiniv7968It depends on the radar wave: microwave, UHF and VHF frequencies are higher than the plasma frequency of the ionosphere, meaning that they will see throught it.
🤔 I was wondering if you had AWACS in place to give earlier notification?
In game these SAMs are not linked to the AWACS.
Loved this video, then I thought a bit more about it and realized the Iskander was probably targeting a hospital or a school. For some this is a real problem
The phallanx? System is a rotary Cannon with all axis, counter system would be two barell cannon with adjustable convergence?
Currenthill should work for eagle dynamic. So at least ground asset can get some attention. we're tired of dealing with some carboard cut slow motion infantry
The only reason he can make these cool modern systems is that he is an independent TBH.
IRIS T and the NASAMS and Skyranger (Rheinmetal) those 3 are obviously not programmed in the game yet.
Iris T has been in previous tests.
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Does the Geopard use a Leopard 1 chassis?
In fact, cruise missiles are not such a difficult target. There were cases of shooting down cruise missiles from an automatic rifle. More often even from machine guns. The only problem is Ukraine have a large territory and the not enough of air defense equipment. I am more than sure that if a cruise missile flew at the Gepard like that, he would have shot down at least two for sure. So there is some inaccurate with simulation.
"When the maths go to shit, it has to use the Gs." - CH
CH quotes best quotes.
S-300V was mainly meant to defend against Pershing II nuclear IRBMs which just like Iskander where quasi-ballistic missiles with a low level (compared to of IRBMs) final manuvering stage. The only system the soviets had to shoot down Minuteman missiles was A-135 a huge silo based missile that defends Moscow and uses it's own nuclear warhead to destroy the incoming ICBM without having to be accurate but even that was estimated by the Soviets themselves to only be abot to shoot down 2 Minutemen missiles.
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Using a nuclear warhead in ICBM defense was to get an EMP close enough to fry the electric mechanical and electronic parts of the warhead. They weren't designed to actually it the incoming missle (plus a missle would have MIRV'd before you could reach it)..
As a defender against MIRV, you have the issue of having to hit 6 targets instead of 1, plus a spread of several hundred km. In addition some systems the bus also deployed decoys.
If you could get an EMP in range prior to great dispersal, you have turned the half dozen warheads into high-speed rocks.
@Duane Samuelson, thanks I was mistaking the A-135s way of downing warheads with the LIM-49 Spartan. The Sprint missile used a similar approach using EMP.
Hey, the SHORAD systems does not work on higher tiers defense, it is useless to put SA-15 or other against Ballistic missile, the same analogy is you can't shoot down an ICBM/TBM using Gepard or Avenger systems.
You guys know that, i guess you just wanted to try anyway.
9:42 also bc the search radar lacks the elevation to see it
You’d catch them during popup and terminal defense
Quasi Ballistic would be the term. Also, Iskander M has the capability of jumping out of it's ballistic trajectory twice and also can have a flat trajectory.
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Are you sure Ukraine had S-300Vs? Ukraine had S-300PS systems at best. V variants are almost as completely different system all together. Different use also!
Love to see this with IRIS-T and THAAD
The SR-71 could go high enough to avoid those old missile. The real ceiling is 120k', not straight and level but a phugoid.
Roger, wouldn't want to be that pilot though...
CH is the MAN!! Next up as a massive challenge... What about making.... AN ICBM and Ground launched interceptors? LOL I dont think DCS can model that at all but who knows?
Don't forget that Iskander (9M723) can maneuver and deploy conter-measures
let's go viewing, woo'ingtons!
Actually, Ukraine doesn't have missiles for S-300V systems and only has couple of captured TOR systems.
Does DCS have an "alert" like status that the units can be in, like Arma? I know in Arma units can be "combat", "alert", "aware", or "safe" status that will determine their behavior, reaction time and how easily they can notice enemies in the distance. If DCS has that kind of system it would make sense to set the units to high awareness since there would probably be some kind of early warning radar that would put units on high alert.
They’re pretty dependent on radar/awacs/IRST but if they can track it they’ll do what they can
There's something called "alarm state" in DCS, and it can be set to green, red, or automatic. If it's set to red, air defence units will be actively scanning for targets which seems to have been the case here, at least for Tor and Tunguska. S-300's mast mounted low altitude search radar was missing which caused it to underperform badly.
Yup, in these test I set them to RED alert, ready to fire. In large missions we leave them to activate themselves.
Just a heads up, the Iskander cruise missile isn't a Kalibr. Its made by a difference manufacturer.
Shirley, there's obviously an auto-convergance? IRL
somewhere i read that iskander m had some kind of countermeasure which it deploys to fool intercepting missiles
Like chaff? Interesting.
@@grimreapers i don’t think it was like chaff. i read it a long time ago and i may be horribly wrong so do your own research. cheers!
Maybe the core DCS SA-10 would do a bit better vs the cruise missiles with its S300PS low-altitude ClamShell search radar.
Also where was NASAM.
Yup fair point.
Instead of trying to time the pause button....isn't there a way to slow down time?
Takeaway again is defeating radar.
As noted in the news over the last couple of weeks, Russia have been putting Missile defences on the roofs of buildings in the Moscow, perhaps this will help with your line of sight issues.
Makes a lot of sense.
No Aster system modeled yet ?
Only naval currently.
I think proximate detonation of PAC-2 Missile can't stop Iskander. It destroys missile body but warhead continues its trajectory. Because of this PAC-3 missile uses the hit to kill technique to destroy warhead.
That doesnt make much sense, if the PAC-2 is able to destroy the body, the warhead will definitely be detonated as a result if the overpressure alone. Not to mention, this is a mach 5 missile hitting the sharpnel of a mach 2-4 missile coming from the opposite direction...
As per Sandboxx, I think part of the reason Russia and China *might* be somewhat ahead in this area (Putin and Xi not being known for their honesty) is simply different strategic needs. Russia felt it needed a weapon that could plausibly defeat Western missile-defence systems in order to deliver nukes and thus regain more of a strategic deterrent. China had a similar need, but for a weapon that could plausibly target US carriers in the Pacific and thus give a deterrent against US opposition to China's, uh, sea-grab? The US, already having weapons that could penetrate Chinese and Russian defences, doesn't really need hypersonics in the same way; at best, they would provide a slightly-better version of capabilities America already has, though at a much higher cost.
So America's less interested in getting the first hypersonic on the table than in creating one that has the right capabilities to fit American goals and doctrine.
The Kaiber is a Soviet copy of the Tomohawk.
In the real world. The patriot has never downed an enemy aircraft but have downed at least 4 friendly target. But likely more