Could THAAD & Patriot Defend Guam From 200 Chinese DF-26 Ballistic Missiles? (WarGames 205) | DCS
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- Today we simulate seven US THAAD missile batteries and seven Patriot Pac-3 missile batteries defending Guam island from a huge strike from China involving two hundred DF-26 hypersonic ballistic missiles.
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3:53 Predictions
4:46 Simulation 1 - No defense
6:50 Simulation 2 - Patriot PAC-3
8:35 Simulation 3 - THAAD & Patriot PAC-3
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And then you should try with S-400?
Tried here, can't make the intercept in DCS for some reason: czcams.com/video/JkG8FH8VyUM/video.html
@@grimreapers With Chinese DF-26 Missiles
Let me guess it would get all of them
@@Jermo7899 Yeah because of Range, and powerful radio of the S-400.
@@Mr.Su-35Flanker-E bahahahah sure thing buddy xD
can't intercept gmlrs with even 50% intercept ratio good luck with even harder target xD
One of the problems with launching them so close to the target is THAAD doesn't have time to react. Global warning systems would warn of the launch as soon as it happened, and THAADs would be fired timed to intercept at maximum altitude. There would be time for at least one second launch from THAAD, plus the Patriots cleaning up. By firing so close you don't give time for the entire system to react.
Yes it's a limitation we have.
Tanksoldier, you are going to get a bunch of Chinese and Russian fanboi's to comment on how you are wrong and their missiles including Khinzal are all unstoppable and that you should stop looking at western propaganda and buy the bullshit they are selling.
Aegis ashore, THAAD, Patriot and Iron Dome 360 degree missile defense. NASAMS have a variety of missiles that could be used.
Yup could add all of that.
I think they are trying to see how CHs stuff that stretches the limits of DCS. The real THAAD does not work well yet and this is NOT a realistic depiction of how THAAD works any way. THAAD is designed to fill the gap in the SM-3 coverage at extreme altitude way above what was depicted here. Integrated defense is what would really be employed. THAAD is a one trick pony that is just apart of a more comprehensive coverage. You want to simulate this correctly you need a real simulator not a game. DCS has the same bad physics as Flat Earthers ... not a joke the Earth is flat in DCS and worse yet there is a bounding box. This is a dead end.
Only the visuals are flat in dcs...
@@themusikpainters6707 NO it has a bounding box. There is no real physics emulation in DCS of any kind most especially the gravitational environment. It is literally flat Earth. It fudges the range radars can see you but the environment is flat Earth. The bounding box is well below the altitude these missiles operate. Its not just that there just no real physics emulation at all. Its more like a 1980s video game like Marathon. DCS is still mostly a single processor application and you just can't do all that physics for so many things on one processor. Its extremely primitive. Its just a game.
@@grimreapers Do😮👍🏼
as my daughter is stationed in Guam for another 2 years, i hope we never have to find out how accurate your sims are.
good job showing how an over whelming attack might look.
I hope she'll be OK man. Don't keep yourself from enjoying now while she's still here by worrying when she might not be here though. One day at a time man, good luck👍🏽🫡
Don't worry. USA exports war. China doesn't.
why is she there?
It's all but guaranteed that these simulations are inaccurate. Purely because the info necessary to truly make accurate simulations is classified by several different parties.
I believe that CH’s Patriot is massively under-modeled-both types of missiles included travel way too slow (as I’ve said before, both should go faster than MACH 5, as per Raytheon), the PAC-3 MSE doesn’t have its cool control section modeled as functional at all, and iirc, the max number of simultaneous engagements in the case of either of the two AESA radars, the AN/MPQ-65A and the LTAMDS, using the active radar homing PAC-3 MSE seems to be too low…
Hard agree, I think the more modern patriot systems being modelled here are a lot more capable (probably difficult to model in DCS tho?)
I think one of the bigger issues is that because the missiles don't come down as steeply- it makes intercepting them actually a lot harder because the lateral movement is so much higher. Altitude is easier to intercept I would imagine because it simply slides the point forward but, with how high the lateral velocity is with it, the point is slid so much farther ahead that the missiles don't actually get to their designed altitudes for intercept and thus seem to have a higher fail-rate.
That's just my speculation of course, correct me if I'm wrong of course.
@@Joe_IRL I think that difficulty might not be that big of an issue because we’re talking about CurrentHill-he’s an absolutely brilliant modder and he’s achieved so many difficult things already that I think he definitely could fix the Patriot if he put his mind to it…
Do you mean to say America should never lose?
@Daniel-yh9dz I mean to say that all of the SAMS in game that would be firing at these exo-atmospheric missiles would likely have worse hit performance as a result. In this case, it's Patriot and THAAD. However, those are not the only SAM systems they use in their war games.
I don't know why you took a comment about a potential problem with simulation accuracy into "America cannot lose" but, it is your life to do with as you please.
The US. also uses AEGIS ships as well as ground based anti ballistic missile systems, would have been nice to see all 3 systems used…
Right there would definitely be a few destroyers around
I can wait for the DF-17 Hypersonic Missiles to be added in DCS!
That’s basically cheat code
@@sweatybotfn9982 yeah. anything even remotely maneuverable above mach 5 is impossible to intercept in DCS
so not sure if DTS does this but in real life THAAD and patriot working together is dangerous because they can both be brought into the same network, patriot can use THAAD radar and vice versa working in tandem to increase the kill probability, PAC 3s can start firing sooner since were only dealing with ballistic missiles that dont maneuver. THAAD radar can see literally thousands of miles and can act as early warning and give patriot an easier time to queue targets for any that thaad missed.
source: im in air defense
Sounds like a story teller
alright, so i'm not a truly knowledgeable source, but i've read a fair bit and watched actual experts talking about it, and form what i understand, the patriot PAC-2 is a fragmentation warhead, that gets close to a target and the blasts a shotgun at it, while PAC-3 is a kinetic kill that slams the entire interceptor into a target. the thing is that patriot is designed for both anti-missile defense AND anti-aircraft defense, and the fragmentation interceptor is really good against an aircraft, which has sensitive things like a pilot, complex electronics, fuel, and weapons which can be damaged but a fragment, bringing it down or at least preventing it from completing it's mission. but against something like a ballistics missile, fragments are less likely to do enough damage to completely disable the warhead (which are usually at least moderately armored) and missiles being targeted by patriot are usually in a terminal trajectory with minimal maneuvering once a patriot is intercepting them, so damaging them enough to disable their controls will do very little to cause them to miss. instead, if you use the PAC-3, a hit will not only be far more likely to catastrophically disable any warhead, but it's also more likely to physically move the missile off course as well.
so in generally the PAC-3 is better than PAC-2 against missiles becuase they have a better kill chance when they hit, while technically having a lower hit chance, but not by much. the patriots we've seen in Ukraine have proven that against modern weapons, they have around a 85-95% accuracy, which means that the patriot is a fantastic system, even in a less than optimal setting
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Wouldn't the naval assets in and around Guam be used as well for ballistic missile defense ? Pretty sure they would be.
A quick internet search seems to show that only submarines are based in Guam, so it's entirely possible that a attack is timed when no ships are close enough to help defend Guam. However... they are working on land based Aegis with SM-6, so that can definitely help and iirc, there's also talks about building a new missile defense system in Guam to help counter cruise missiles. Since the land based Aegis will be part of MDA (missile defense agency), technically the answer is no.
@@Blank27 IIRC they're planning to build an incredibly complex missile defence around guam.
It would use a short range and cheap missile system to protect against cruise missiles and suicide drones, similar to iron dome, allowing for patriot, AEGIS ashore and THAAD missiles to be reserved for higher priority targets.
What I've just described doesn't do it justice TBH, theres several new radar types and installations, satellite integration for long-range missile tracking and a new networking system to link literally all of these systems together to form a cohesive defence.
There was also talk of permenantly moreing retired ticonderoga cruisers for missile defence at Guam, but my guess would be the fact that this was ever even considered spurred the system i described's development.
I was stationed In Guam, And yes only subs for the most part are there, its also a major stop off point for most things heading to Asia. There is always.a destroyer, cruiser etc in the area.
Yes but the simulation would quickly become more complex as AShBMs and long range AShMs would have to be calculated then as well increasing the number drastically.
Park the uss nj there ..see what happens
Can't wait to see when laser technology can swat those missiles too
It can do it now its just not widely deployed. We have it mounted on aircraft and ships right now.
@@HyperionTwo I know of the HELIOS mounted on some cruisers bud didn't know the carriers had them mounted at this point. All still under development. Would be neat to see an early rendition in DCS
not sure how effective thermal lasers will be against RVs designed to survive re-entry
@@hughmungus2760 there are two types of directed energy weapons used for defense. you re correct that lasers deal damage thermally which will have to overcome the re-entry defense of the missiles. however, re-entry ballistic missiles will most likely either be using ablative plating that will be mostly removed during re-entry, thus making it vulnerable to heat, or will still have it's re-entry shield attached, which will after re-entry already be extremely hot after absorbing the heat of re-entry. in both cases, they will not have very much more shielding than needed, becuase extra weight means lower ranges/speeds and/or higher costs, so in both cases their heat shielding would be near their limits when the lasers come into play. i will admit however, that as laser defenses become more commonplace additional anti-laser defenses will likely be implemented, but it's unlikely for them to be implemented BEFORE the mass deployment of laser defenses.
the second directed energy weapon in development and starting to be deployed is microwave emitters. the upside is that these attempt to directly scramble and overload the electronics and therefore mostly bypass thermal protection. the bad news is they are shorter range than lasers and more of an area deterrent rather than a single target point defense, but as you would expect a missile swarm to all generally be striking form a roughly similar attack path, a single microwave defense emitter that disables 20% of the incoming missiles paired with several lasers to target the no-disabled missiles would be useful,
i will admit though, that form my understanding of their intended use, microwave air defense would not be particularly effective against ballistic missiles, as there lack of range and the relative simplicity of the missile electronics would be difficult to have meaningful effect fast enough, but microwave emitters are much more designed to be effective at disabling drone swarms or aircraft. if you're under attack form missiles there's no reason not to use the microwave emitter, it's just not the best defensive weapon for the job.
Lasers are cool tech, but they wouldn't be effective here. The incoming missile is too fast, too massive, and therefore has too much momentum. Lasers also suffer from various atmospheric effects impacting their accuracy and intensity such as water droplets, salt particles, dust, dirt, pollutants, etc.
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Thank you for this one cap and CH
In response to the comment at 5:14 regarding seeing these missiles launch... I grew up in Wyoming near Minot AFB, and I used to have nightmares about seeing them fly. I would be outside and would hear the whoosh and watch the end of the world flying into space. Still gives me nerves to think about.... PS - The movie 'Threads' didn't help with the nightmares :)
Everyone should see Threads.
Like Australia can travel for three hours at highway speeds and still be on the same farm.@@maqthedon8969
WTF are you talking about? Minot Air Force Base is in North dakota, damn near to the Canadian border nowhere near Wyoming😅
Now Warren Air Force Base is down near Cheyenne, but none of the missile silos are.
There are a few scattered launch silos in wyoming, though I'm pretty sure they've all been deactivated by this point in time. But pretty much all the major ICBM fields are located in North and South Dakota Montana and just a very very few wherever in Wyoming.
But hey it's a cool made-up story, if you ignore facts😂
@@Wyomingchief Warren still controls 3 squadrons of 50 missiles each. All east of Cheyenne, there's more than a few in that border corner of Wyoming, with most across in Nebraska and the adjacent area of Colorado. But yeah, a bloody long way from Minot!
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great job boys. great video.
8:15 Love the time-delay of missile impact sounds/explosions coming off the runways up to 10k ft. altitude view, a hellish crescendo 😅
It would be really interesting to see this run again with all the other air defences the US currently uses/has used in the past. Great video!
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One of the scary bits in The Day After is John Lithgow watching Minutemen launch.
Lovely Cap. THAAD has a pretty good testing history. Probably pretty close.
Wow I saw Rota island again where I'm watching your video right now.
Hmm... this scenario reminds me of the Web Novel "USS Kidd Incident", where China tries this by getting subs into range, and the US has to rely on AEGIS and Patriots because the officer in charge of the THAAD battery decided to do some maintenance that day and they couldn't get it operational when the missiles launched.
I would like to see a simulation of submarine launched missiles against the coast of the United States with Patriot and THAAD defending. Perhaps add some AWACS or ground based early warning radar.
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What hardware do you need to run bigger simulations, with more missiles, guns, planes etc?
did you search his videos? tons of info about what you are asking
Difficult to answer TBH, seems to depend per scenario.
I think this grossly underestimated US launch detection.
THAAD and PAC-3 did a lot better than I thought, at least DCS wise. IRL, there are a lot earlier warning, target priority, coordination, data link, and potentially BMD DDGs nearby etc. So I think IRL should fare better. Which says a lot since it already did really well in DCS.
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I wonder if DCS support MIRVs or warhead with 'penetration aid' decoys.
also: 5:50 DCS becomes Kerbal Space Program
No method that I can think of off top of my head.
When I think of THAAD I think of Thad from Blue Mountain High
While Patriots haven't come across anything as fast as the DF-26 irl, Its getting hard to hold in my laughter at the people saying Patriot is a untested system when it almost regularly gets tested every couple of months now by a few Khinzals
The mock war games did not include the 300 - 400 decoys that would also be used. Seems to me the "mock" war game needs some improvement.
Can u do the kirov vs certain naval assets from certain countries, like a kirov vs a few burkes or type 45s 😁 or even a hypothetical modernized kirov
modernized kirov won't be hypothetical considering that Admiral Nakhimov is currently under refit. The question is... when the hell will she be on the sea again
@@Mgaming61I didn’t know she was under refit but imagine all those vls
Silos with hypersonics, I assume she’s priority and wont be in dry dock forever like the carrier
@@buckintion7627 yeah... hopefully. And if all the reports are accurate to some degree, she'll be one hell of a ship
Yeah I'm sure the kirov will be just as Unsinkable as their other ships😂😂
I don't think any Kirov's have been modernized yet have they??
How about if we add 7 batteries of David slings
Cap would spreading out the launchers help with coverage by the air defence?
Can try.
why the altitude is limited for the missles?. It seems it's purposely kept within THAAD acquiring and firing range
We hope(sic) to never know
It seems like if the defences were placed closer to the base centre they might have been more effective. Interesting that it cost china 3x more than it cost USA.
I mean thats assuming the DF missiles hit nothing of value.
Well considering they were basically setting on the runway you can't really get any closer and know it wouldn't make any difference anyway. And just remember that all these ballistic missiles in DCS have basically 100% hip probability when they're targeted at something which is way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way😂😂😂
That's assuming China is not using a tactical nuclear-tipped warhead
Next time around u should try iron dome
What if the japanese maritime self defense force attacked pearl harbor today?
1 Arsenal Ship Prototype Aegis Shield (approx 500 VTOL system)
Is this PAC3 or the MSE version?
I think it would also be interesting to take this setup and add C-RAM to it. Curious if CRAM would hit that last few missiles that get by.
that doesn't even make any sense. DF-26 travels @mach8.6 C-RAM has a range of 3.6km. it would take 1.25 seconds to reach the target. before the C-RAM even realises there's a target it would be destroyed.
just count to 1.25 seconds. that's the time it takes. 1.25seconds BOOM. in fact maximum theoretical speed of C-RAM targets is 1000m/s, that's in best case scenario in perfect conditions and not real life which is must lower.
DF-26 travels @3000m/s.
C-RAMs weren't made to destroy these type of targets.
it's like trying to sink a carrier with a bb gun. doesn't even have any logic.
to put in perspective the cost of a single THAAD missile is $23.65 million.
the cost of a C-RAM system is around $10 million.
so to answer your question the C-RAM wouldn't even move let alone even attempt to track anything and not even mentioning firing accurately.
@@riskinhosI like your answer better I just keep telling people that they should learn math it's important😂
CAP, how about warbirds in modern battlefield?
quick question cap
why can you model ballistic missiles to go to 250,000ft but you cant model air to air missiles to go to 60,000ft or what ever their correct alt should be
There is a lofting version we have used a number of times. I could give a very long answer but the short answer is dcs problems.
Dcs missile code is different for each type of missile. So air to air missiles are not the same as surface to surface.
We have loft missiles now, we have a lofting set and a non-lofting set. Each has pros and cons so I use the version most suited to the battle.
Cool you need to get habitual linecrosser involved he is a serving air defence instructor his CZcams channel is very informative and funny
Idek if he'd be allowed to help them lol thats kinda encroaching on telling secrets territory
I work with HLC, I've talked to him about reaching out to the grim reapers a few times. He's got a bunch of stuff going on right now so he doesn't have a lot of free time.
@@ROTNReaper yup he is a busy man but very funny
@sbjchef I wish the internet wasn't so sensitive and he could be as funny as he is in real life, but people get mad easy so..
@@ROTNReaper Ain't that the truth oh and can we get a refund on those last two tridents that fell in the sea 🤣
Do interceptors attack one missile or do they each search for their own target?
Someone get HLC in here for expert insight.
I doubt he'd be able to say much as classified?
where is THAAD mods.I can't find it
What percentage of Chinese missiles do you factor in failing because they are filled with water? Gotta be at least 10%
meanwhile UK Flubs 2 Trident launches in a row.
Maybe we were aiming at Florida??
Ahh the water missile, yes 90% will fail… nothing to worry about 😂
DF26 speed upto about 16mach at the end ... I don't thinks it's can be destroy by current CIWS...besides it keeps orbital transfer at last lap.
Are you spinning off 2 birds per target, per layer?
IRL, we will launch 2 THAAD per target threat.
Whatever gets through, then 2 PAC-3 Interceptors will be launched per target.
In the game, quite possible (not watched it yet). In real life, not a chance in hell :)
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It's pretty small TBH. Tiny brain.
You should have had NASAMS and CRAM also.
Well the ram would be absolutely worthless and if you don't understand why you should probably study math a little more. Nathan's basically the same reason besides which they're not designed to track let alone try to intercept a missile that's going mach 10😂😂
Thaad has 72 missiles pee battery thats why its $2 billion per battery with missiles. I believe they could track missiles more than 2300km away of the intermediate type. With 220km distance and 125km
I would say we need input from Habitual Linecrosser on this but I am sure his responses are going to be something to the effect of not being able to divulge secrets beyond publicly available information. Thank God DCSW doesn't have the full capability programmed in and they don't get leaks like War Thunder. Let us keep the enemies overconfident and confused as to why they fail.
hmm I'm a bit scared of saying anything that's classified these days. Prefer to stick to wiki open source.
Isn't THAAD the only SAM system with a 100% intercept rate?
Personally I think a soft robotic submersible fleet is the cheapest form of Naval defence for an island you could just net the entire place with passive seeker mines piezo passive sonar and piezo communication with swarm tactics the amount of solid hardware would be tiny making them all but invisible and they have no crush depth so you could severe lines or hunt subs trying to go deep and dark.
Give the A.I's propwash models they'll hunt whatever you want. And at about $5000 dollars a tonne of delivered ordinance they'd be cheap like a budgy and fast to produce about an hour by hand so seconds per unit with automation. You could even just have a plastic welder on a warship and some rolls of plastic unroll the module and harness weld it into the body by laying out two layers of plastic and running a glorified soldering iron over the pattern slide it overboard then inject your ampho it'd be ten minutes from woe to go could scale the pattern to what your hunting and only takes up the room of the actual explosive payload without more explosives or fuel to deliver it so less volatiles on your warship and your mixing the volatiles off the ship so the only time volatiles are present on deck is in the injector lines so every thing is in the magazine not on deck like most mine layers or make self deployable boxes that just sit inert until they are pipped into action. .
I'm guessing you are commenting on the wrong video. Because number one it doesn't make any sense why you're talking about Naval defense on this video. And number two if that's such a great idea maybe you should try to go get it patented or maybe talk to somebody in the military because it just sounds like a meth ramble to me😂😂
lol yeah realised that afterwards and I am sure about the locomotion soft robots swim good Jim. The sonar would really depend on what the U.S submariners service has in it's database.
@@Wyomingchief
Guam has only 1 or 2 batteries of thaad, they had a battery there that has been on guam for years now, theres also an article that says 6 thaad air defense systems have been deployed, by systems it meant launchers, all in the same battery, im not sure if this is a new battery deployed or if they are just talking about the one already deployed. As for the patriots, i have not been able to find any article saying there is a patriot on guam, nor have i seen one on google earth where i have been able to spot the thaad. If china was rumoured to attack guam though they would deploy atleast a 3rd thaad and 2 or 3 patriots
Yeah I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. I have a family member stationed on Guam and he has said that there are more than two separate THAAD batteries. Cuz I was talking to him about if he was worried about this type of attack. His response was what they print in the paper as far as our air defense batteries and capabilities are Wei Wei underestimated.😂
Him and I brought up the fact about the article that you're talking about, he just laughed and said yeah that's kind of funny
Neither THAAD or Patriot can intercept ICBMs. That is likely why so many are getting through. THAAD is for IRBM or shorter range missiles. Patriot can deal with short range/tactical ballistics
PAC-2s wont be AS useful as PAC-3 due to the fact that PAC-2 is a proximity kill and PAC-3 is kinetic kill
True. And this mod would make the PAC-2 even less useful because for some reason CurrentHill set its max speed at around MACH 4 while there’s a publicly available Raytheon infographic from 2002 saying that both PAC-2 GEM-T and PAC-3 travel at “MACH 5+” 🤷♂️
plus, the fragmentation damage is simply less effective at stopping a terminal stage missile than a kinetic kill, although i don't know how DCS models the 'health' of missiles vs their impact or ability to accurately target, or just has a pass/fail of 'was it intercepted and therefore removed or not', so the in game modeling might be an approximation of reality
@@delphy2478in DCS the missile being hit with anything is considered an intercept kill, and the missile blows up. You can intercept missiles with .50 cals in DCS if you slow their speed down enough to hit them.
I'd argue that frags are actually very useful. It's not your common grenade with small pieces of shrapnel and metal.
The PAC-2 Warhead is slinging pure steel slugs and massive chunks of metal into the incoming missile at a 1000 meters per second (for that brief travel time).
That fragmentation can punch holes through reinforced concrete as if it isn't even there.
It will absolutely mangle an incoming missile.
@@ObiWanShinobi917 interesting, thanks for the clarification.
3:30 millions of feet up? the karman line (where nasa says space starts, and earths atmosphere ends) is only 62 miles so 327,360.. How far into space do cruise missiles go???
ballistic missiles
I don't actually know but I assume around 1 million ft.
@@grimreapers I mean I guess as long as they have fuel to burn to re-enter earths atmosphere then yeah it might be legit but 1 million feet is a LOT
@@immaturebread69 Then you might be surprised to learn than an old RAND paper says that for a 5000 km shot you can expect a ballistic missile to climb about 1000 km. Which is around 3.3 million feet.
i believe the new extended thaad is capable to shoot down the df-17 easily….
so, could Thaad take out an SR-71?
Thaad should easily be able to intercept an SR-71 as it's going half the speed and 1/10 the altitude of a long range ballistic missile.
Yes super easily.
Ha! Dong!
in reality it would be Aegis, THAAD, and PAC 3 along with any other possible system
100% PK for DF 26?
Same with all Chinese equipment. In DCS, PRC missiles work BETTER than their propaganda.
What did they also have C rams
Why they would be useless. They literally by the time they are in range to be able to fire, they have less than 2 seconds to intercept them. Math is very important you should probably understand it better
insert joke about replacing the fuel with water.
NO way PC is sending 2 HUNDRED DF-26 missiles just to Guam...they would deplenish their stores and not have enough for PI, Japan and Taiwan
Day 2 of asking : Cap, please ask CH to make Indian assets atleast Indian navy ships
You can ask him directly in the DCS forums
Or contact CH his self he has a presence on the internet that's pretty widespread or at least pretty accessible
The DF-26 has 100 m CEP, so out of 5 1 is likely to get within the 100 m circle of the target.
The THAAD and PAC-3 need to stop fusing....
its a 2000kg warhead so landing it anywhere on anderson will do major damage
@@hughmungus2760 if shielded by reinforced concrete the effects would be negleable 15 meters away, and to really destroy the runway you need a direct hit
@@maxlin3442 I was going to say more like things such as hangers, maintenance buildings, radars, fuel tanks and ammo depots
Also, china does have anti-runway submunition for their warheads too
@@hughmungus2760 submunition?from a missile over mach 5? They're gonna burn before they got to the ground, and even if they did the runway could be repaired in 3 hours
Yup fair comment, what I was really interested in is how many missiles would get through, rather than the actual target hits.
6:33 Thats it? WHy bother defending. A few cement trucks and 24 hours later its all repaired and operational.
lol yes fair comment.
I'm tired of seeing commercials for goddamn Shen yun
Interesting assumption that all the Chinese missiles would successfully launch and successfully track to target. Doesn’t seem too realistic to me.
How many missiles could China launch
1. DF-21 or DF-26.
I think they have 250 launchers in total for the DF series missiles that cost around $10-$15 million each.
Does the anti ship DF-21 work. I doubt it can hit a moving ship 1000km away from China.
Add two CIWS stations near the Air Field and see if it they can get those few that get through.
Math is very important. If you know math you know why that question is kind of funny😂😂
If it doesn’t work well for Americans keep changing the variables until it favours them
During the Iraq war the patriots were claimed by the pentagon to destroy 100% of scuds, except they didn’t, not even close.
My one takeaway from chinese😂 ballistic missile targeting is that they are overly vaunted in actual accuracy. They may be accurate for static targets but when fired at moving ships etc travelling at 30 knots plus i really do not think the hardware for targeting accurately is 100%. Great channel mind💥🫵👍🏼👍🏼
你知道的还真不少呐。在中国他们也做一样的模拟，但是他们会用DF17来打航母。
This is nothing more than supposition. This contempt for our adversaries is dangerous.
它在2020年8月不是命中了移动靶船么？
Why use one?
Did you bother to watch the whole video
US also reactivated Tinian air base
Can you rerun the sim using the LTAMDS the next generation air and missile defense radar for the U.S. Army? czcams.com/video/QpGqEoTVsfY/video.html
Also how about a couple Naval assets that have Aegis radar data linked to THAAD and Patriots? Would an AWACS detect the enemy missiles earlier?
you're using more df26 than china has.
I'm guessing you didn't pay any attention to the video you just came on here to make a comment based off nothing.😂😂
Pentagon says 200 DF-26 in latest report.
I'll yield to you on that, my friend. My data must be old, they said 86. @@grimreapers
@@miked6184200-250 is the Yr 2021 estimated figure according to wikipedia
American air defence systems failed to detect the Yemen houth rockets what about the most advanced chinese misiles
Patriot VS DF-26? Nop, they are not designed to intercept IRBM missiles, they are designed to intercept Short and medium ranged ballistic missiles, they are way to fast, an IRBM travels in mach 12-18…The same apply to naval bases SM-3, they can do it better and future missiles will have full capability to do it, only THAAD and GMD have true capability against DF-26, but there is a lot of if involved, depending on DF-26 version used, if it’s the B version they will make course correction in flight make it way way harder to hit them.
Guessing you didn't watch the video huh
What happened with your interaction with NCIS wanting your data information? Seems like you have not been arrested as a spy/traitor as of yet, that is!🤣
Haven;t heard anything yet.
China has a lot more than 200 missiles
DF 26 Intermediate Ballistic Missile missile is hypersonic. Max speed Mach 18. Patriot PAC 3 is Mach 3.5. THAAD is max Mach 8. Based on the Law of Physics, how is it possible for even both Patriot and THAAD to intercept even one DF26 let alone 10 or more? Not realistic...
The DF26s terminal speed would be much much lower than its max speed... it wouldn't be higher than mach 10. Also interception isn't all about speed.. its more about positioning and trajectory.
@@user-ft2zc5or9d Don't forget a lot of these modern missiles also have evasive and anti-jamming capability thanks to AI. Furthermore, when you lock into an incoming missile, the time it takes to hit the target matters....If your missiles takes Mach 3.5 and the incoming missile is travelling a Mach 10, isn't it a bit too late ?
It is your wishful thinking that DF 26 can be intercepted. In reality pentagon already failed in simulation
You must work at the Pentagon. Congratulations on being so important.
@@shawnsdrop doesn’t take much effort to find The truth. But seems the truth hurts you.
@Zhujac oh, you don't take compliments well.
@@Zhujac remember what Sun Tzu says about being powerful or being weak.
Lolno. Anything can be intercepted. THAAD was made specifically built to counter ballistic missiles.
Yeah lets just keep thinking the Chinese didn't develop maneuvering warheads. Also lets keep believing the USMIC promises and hype.
one Patriot battery fired 30+ missiles against 1 Kinzhal, and was destoried by that Kinzhal
Lol no.
I think THAAD are super overrated but if they make ones that are actually mass deployable and effective they should call it GIGATHAAD
What do you mean Mass Deployable?they're already deployed worldwide😂
But tell me how much actual military air defense experience do you have to base your theory that they're overrated?
@@Wyomingchief lol
It would be pretty hard when you discover that your missiles have been filled with water......
Chinese spies deleting comments on youtube....