Schluter Shower Installation (Part 3 - Waterproofing Shower Pan & Curb) -- by Home Repair Tutor
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- čas přidán 14. 09. 2018
- This video shares Part 3 of how to do a Schluter Shower installation; we discuss what size trowel to use, how to set the pan in mortar, and how to waterproof both the pan and curb.
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In this shower we used Schluter's ALL-SET mortar to adhere the pan to the 3/4" plywood using a 1/4" x 3/8" square notch trowel. All mortar ridges should face the same direction. Set the pan in the mortar, walk on it to compress the mortar, and check the coverage by lifting it up.
Apply mortar to the edge of the pan and the first 6 inches beyond the pan where the curb will rest. Set the curb in the mortar and check that it's level, especially if using glass shower doors which need the curb level.
We actually forgot to install our corner bench and had to do that after setting the pan. But the bottom of the bench has to rest on the plywood. Waterproof the bench using two outside corners and one inside corner, then overlap these with Kerdi-Band.
Apply ALL-SET around the shower drain and glue it to the P-Trap below the shower pan. In our prior video we discuss how to dry fit the drain pipe and cut the ABS to size.
Cut Kerdi membrane to the size of the pan and apply mortar to the top of the Schluter shower pan, fill in all the waffles with the flat side of the trowel. Then embed the Kerdi membrane to the top of the pan, and scribe cut it against the bench. Get Kerdi as tight as possible to the wall but don't stress over it being exact. This intersection will be waterproofed using Kerdi-Band, which will overlap the wall and shower pan.
Watch our video for all the details on how to waterproof the pan and curb - Jak na to + styl
I really like the inclusion of mistakes in the video as it is helpful to know how to address the mistakes many of us will encounter on this type of project.
Fortunately Schluter showers are very versatile, so it’s easy to overcome problems 👍🏻
I like how you show realistic site conditions and timeframe. There just isn’t time to fuss over minutia if one wants to make a living at it. Paying attention to the important bits like thin-set type, consistency, band overlap etc. It doesn’t have to look pretty at this stage it just has to work. You have shown us just that. Thank you. Cheers!
Thank you, we try our best while making the video. It’s typically a tight space with two gown people scrunched in there, so it’s hard to keep everything pristine
these instructional videos are just what we needed for our bathroom renovation, great instruction, thank you
Steve does a killer job installing Schluter products and very well explained and narrated. Great job guys.
Thank you, Schluter makes solid kits and their directions are very good. Plus we've found their tech support to be exceptional, which is a tremendous help for installers. We appreciate your kind words :)
I totally agree, I called Schluter support for questions about my subfloor before I installing Ditra and they were very helpful. Great company.
Sweet, I've even asked a question and if the person didn't know the answer they got someone on the phone who did. Gotta say, not all companies do that.
This is a very good video show for Shower pan installed !
The narrator guy is like animal 🦒 planet 🌎 episode , I so good to hear the way he does , great video
You made my day, thank you
I would hire this guy. good job.
I love this. Go Steve!!! Thanks
You Keep saying, "We" but Steve is doing everything.
do you give Steve paid vacation? 3 weeks or 4?
@@chrispowers2122 we share responsibilities in front of the camera and neither of us is an employee for anyone
Leave your parent's basement and find something to do!
Gr8 video thank you. Very helpful. 👍
could you just redguard cement board for the walls instead of messing with the kerdi walls? still do the bands where the pan meets the floor etc.
Thank you thank you thank you! This one video made sense of the whole thing after dozens of Schluter's own videos failed to do anything other than contradict and confuse me on some key points.
awesome! We’re pumped to hear the video helped out. What kind of tile are you using?
@@HomeRepairTutor repairing a failed install where the previous builder put cement board over drywall with no waterproof barrier anywhere in the system. Got 12x24 wall tile and 2x2 stone effect floor mosaics.
I was just wondering why when you do the banding that you do not start at the bottom and come up so that if any part of the band was to unseal, the water running down from the top never has a seem to go under like where the corner of the bench is, seems like you would do the band and then the corner so the corner is over the band, like you would do flashing ?
That thin set really,has a long open time doesn’t it? I’m amazed at the life of this product.
I wanted to say thank you for your videos it really help me out with doing my bathroom I just got done putting all the Kirby board down and the floor pan. Another 2 hours and I'll be ready to set tile
Awesome, keep up the great work. What kind of tile are you setting?
@@HomeRepairTutor it's white Italian porcelain polish tile . I'm doing that for the shower and the walls and I'm doing a smoke gray for the floor everything I'm using the Schluter. I still got to buy the ditra for the floor
@@HomeRepairTutor I believe the tile size is 16 by 32
Good size tile, for that we'd use a polymer modified thin-set mortar. Ardex X77 is our favorite because it's bond is outstanding. You might want to consider a tile leveling system as well.
@@HomeRepairTutor I'm really nervous about tiling the shower the floor I'm good with but the shower and walls I'm worried . I have to make a transition from the shower wall to the walls. Do yall have a video on how to start the tile from the base up ? This will be my first shower that I have tiled
Do you think you could do this in a basement on an elevated subfloor? My drains are above the floor of the basement, not too excited to excavate the basement/outside to drop the main-drain? Or is it always better to drop the basement drain in order to plumb more or less at the floor level?
Jeff, just watched the Schluter Shower Installation (Part 3 - Waterproofing Shower Pan & Curb) video. What should be done if we were not using "Ditra Heat" on the floor? How should we finish the cut of the "Kerdi Membrane" on the floor side of the curb? Should it stretch out 2" minimum out on the floor?
Thanks for the video. I am about to start my bathroom soon. I was wondering if it would be advisable to mix the thin-set a bit thinner to aid the installation and adhesion. Any tricks to achieve a proper consistency of the mortar? Cheers to all!
I will use tech brand, really smooth consistency, you'll find it at Lowe's, just make sure it's unmodified
Hey great video, however the link to your bathroom remodeling guide does not work, can this be fixed.
So If you are putting in a cement pan instead of the Kerdi one, do you still do the walls first or install the cement pan first?
In the Kerdi videos they say to install the kerdi drain before the shower tray if you dont' have plumbing access from below, but I don't understand why this is necessary. Was there plumbing access from below in this video?
His speed is due to the fact that he’s done so much of it and can just flow,through it. He just knows it all. We don’t. So it will take way more time for the DIYers.
They would want to be paying him good money...wouldn't want to lose a guy like him
Another excellent video! I'm curious why a 2" overlap can't be used on the floor like the walls.
Thanks, the overlap problem is a Schluter thing; there simply may not be enough Kerdi to overlap by 2 inches
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There is a good reason not to do so: The thicker membrane doesn't want to bend at the corners and you will end up with a curved transition. That will be an issue when you try to apply the schluter corners. Ask me how I know
Wow, the sloppiest install of Schluter I have ever seen. But it is actually a good representation of what mine will probably look like and how to Kerdi fix it.
great video. you mentioned on the video about thin set, may i ask which type, non-modified or standard ?
we use Schluter ALL-SET over KERDI but tend to use modified over shower walls
Home Repair Tutor great ! Thank you for clarifying it . Love the video !
good video friend. What glue did you use to stick the Schutler membrane? Thank you.
Thanks, we used Schluter's ALL-SET thin-set mortar per the specifications
@@HomeRepairTutor Thank you partner
Backer board should go into the shower pan?
People should watch the videos put out by Schulter they show the proper way to install without any problem and with less mess was given hands on demonstration on actual I stall
This installation was done correctly, we’ve attended Schluter workshops and truly appreciate their dedication to education. They’re a great company
lmao. they were also doing it in a wide open area and taking good ol time. those guys get paid by the hour. Also it just doesnt matter would it looks like, its getting covered up by tile. You people kill me. Go install a few of these and let me see how clean and spectacular your work looks buddy.
Why didn't you start with the floor, and work upwards, so the overlaps of the membrane would be in the direction of the downward water flow? I assume it's not necessary if it's set correctly, but it makes sense to me to overlap it that direction as a little extra insurance. Thanks!
totally understand, Schluter directions call for the walls to be waterproofed first then the pan, so we defer to them for purposes of warranty protection. Keep in mind that even if the walls were done last you’d still need to add the Kerdi-Band at the shower pan transiton
Thanks! I was planning to lay it out as the instructions dictate, but it just seems odd to me. You guys are a huge help. Keep up the good work.
Thanks, following Schluter's directions is the way to go. Let us know if you have any questions
because its not necessary. just isn't. wont ever leak either way
Is there a video showing how you tiled this particular shower? If so what is the title or can you link to it.
We’re working on them and will have a course available over on Bathroom Repair Tutor
Is there any reason why you couldn't also use red guard on the drywall prior to applying the thin set?
My thoughts exactly...at 250 a pop for a 33ft roll to hell with that
Don’t use red guard! It only cures if air can get to it. Use Ardex 8+9! It is a two part compound that will make it 100% waterproof! These guys are hacks.
So what prevents water from seeping down behind the band along the wall, or under the band at the base? What waterproofs that joint?
thin-set mortar crystallizes over time between the Kerdi membrane layers, those two components waterproof the shower
When your applying the thinset to the floor do you worry about puncturing the membrane on the wall? The trowels and the putty knives have sharp edges. My wife and I are doing our bathroom. That’s something I’m curious about.
Just round corners on the concrete
no. all the joints and corners get kerdi band applied last, so it just doesnt matter.
what type of thin set should be used under the pen and how do u level the pen if floor is not level thx
Schluter ALL-SET is your best option for thin-set mortar with Schluter shower pans. If the floor is not level you will either have to self-level the floor or fix the floor joists, if the subfloor is over wood joists.
@@HomeRepairTutor what if I do not have schluter all set? Look up some videos from sal diblasi for details and info how to provide info...
what thinset? modified or NOT???
When you use thinset to apply the Kerdi waterproofing, does water not get wicked up into those seams, and thus get behind your waterproofing membrane? Seems to me that competitor products that use polyurethane sealant would do a better job? What do you think?
We use Schluter’s ALL-SET which cures behind Kerdi, so no issue. Schluter is making a Kerdi product that will wrap across all three walls, which is great. Each system has pros and cons, and choosing one depends on your bathroom, shower type, and tile.
Yes it does wick.. i use red guard over any seams
have fun with that. this is all mute because when properly installed the system does not leak at all. Ive tested it and done over 100 showers without a single problem
Just installed Schluter pan and did everything to spec but still got small bumps and air pockets between fabric and pan. Is this something I should be concerned with?
Hey Jeremy, it’s not ideal because those air pockets can rip and compromise the waterproofing. But you can cut the air pocket and apply a Kerdi patch over it, smoothing out any excess thin-set.
not really, but next time smooth out with trowel and dont walk on it till its dry. (next day)
You say you're using Schluter All-Set Modified thin-set to install the membrane, but the formal Kerdi instructions say to use Unmodified for that. Why are you using the wrong thin-set? Your blog post on Schluter Thin-set also states that All-Set can be used for over and under application when Schluter formal installation instructions specifically only call out using Modified for the underside of Ditra application with certain sub-floors. According to Schluter all membrane installation should be done with their Set Unmodified Thin-set. What gives with the conflicting info?
lol thats a great question. for 2 years now schluter has introduced their own mortar, schluter All-Set, and even though it is modified, it is what they insist on using. They even "require" you to use their thinset for warranty purposes. When they came out with the All-set I asked the same question. Why couldnt we use the modified before? Either way it works and i've never had a problem in 5 years of showers using their system.
Seems like the blue system is easier than the orange system.
Doing the no access drain flange this way makes sense to me but not the way Schluter shows in their video. They show glueing the drain in first using the center section as a spacer but then your more likely to wind up with a flange thats not level with the pan. I like your way, are there any downsides to this method?
The only downside is not measuring correctly and the drain sitting above the pan; so getting the drain fittings snug is important
How did you slope the curb? Or did you choose not to?
it’s pre-sloped
@@HomeRepairTutor wrong. those curbs are not pre-sloped. I install kerdi shower systems once a month for the last 5 years. Not to worry though its easy enough to slope the sill or tile when installing.
Can I use redguard over Nerdy shower pan?
Yes of course
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How I can use kerdi board if I use hot mot for showers ?
you’d have to consult Schluter on that project but we wouldn’t hot mop. Schluter pans can be $100
Oh 😯 really? It’s really cheap
I’m using paper and wire for my work and I use cement for walls and floors but it's a lot of work and it's hard and I want to try something new
And where can I get the kerdi board ?
No slope on the bench?
Tile is sloped on installation
@@HomeRepairTutor Ok thanks. I was just confused because some say to tilt tile while others say you have to angle the curb itself, yet I have not seen anyone on CZcams actually slope the curb itself
The benches come pre sloped
@@Drunions12 wrong. the kerdi benches do not
Suntorn Pogasic yes they do.
Why waterproofing the pan with membrane? I was thinking the schluter shower pan is already waterproofed
this was before Schluter added the fleece to trays 👍🏼
For the pan couldn't you have just cut the kerdi as one piece and overlap the curb?
yes he could have, but the kerdi is only 3 feet wide and the shower floor is 4 foot
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thank you
24:40 lol
ME: NO SPONGE and water to clean up your mess!!
HIM: NO problem I wipe my hands with my pants!!
That bench should have went in first and waterproof membrane applied over the top of the corners and bands. Think of doing a roof. Start at the bottom and everything overlaps from there.
Wrong. With Schluter it doesn't matter the order.... what's best is what is most convenient which is top down as it's easier to clean any mess made on the floor and less chance of damage if the floor waterproofing goes down last.
Yeah sure okay. "It doesn't matter" "It's most convenient" That's the crap I hear all the time.. It's common sense.
just doesnt matter. wont leak either way. done 100s of showers, not one leak
Why would you not put the floor membrane on first and let it run up the walls a couple inches and then put the wall membrane on later to overlap the floor membrane that you ran up the walls? This would create a better waterproof system.
Because we followed Schluter's directions to maintain the warranty, plus they make this system and we respect their processes
also, you still have to apply corners, and the kerdi is thicker than kerdi ban, so you can but you would have more buildup.
@UCP2vaEZS8MvZrFklwBtW1GA what if I do not have schluter all set? Look up some videos from sal diblasi for details and info how to provide info...
I love how he stomped the Kerdi pan down into the thin set - then lifted it up - cracked it - and put back down...???
no offense, but try working a little cleaner with the mud. Hold one dry knife in the corner as you pull away the mud. The cleaner you work the less build up you will have.
When I am doing washrooms,my hands are always DRY and Split open,any little cut turns into a big dry gash.I used to build bridges and worked with concrete,I thought my hands were bad then but nothing like when I am doing these showers,it just dries the skin so bad.I hate working with gloves,so it's all on me.
So I guess I'm saying...stay in school or deal with the downfalls of physical labour.
I got one better. Permatex Anti-Seize is Satan’s butter. You get one drop of that crap on you, by the end of the day, you will end up looking like the Tin Man from “The Wizard of Oz”!!!!
The messy work is killing me.
its impossible to install tile without getting messy, unless you take 4 times as long. Its part of the job. Having said that the finished tile should not be messy, but the prep usually is very messy, and shitty looking. Just the way it is, if you can do better then lets see it lol.
Suntorn Pogasic it absolutely is not impossible to tile and not get messy. These types of tilers are they type who end up getting thinset on everything around the house. My family and I tile floors and showers and I promise you, being a clean and a fast installer is not difficult.
@@joseoviedo1644 i install tile for a living also for 20 years, i am the cleanest tile layer around. still get mud on shit, just clean it up with a wet rag or sponge. But your commenting about messy prep work in a shower using kerdi system. 1) it doesnt need to be clean looking its getting covered by tile. 2) because you are installing alot of layers on top of orange with grey mud, its gonna look messy no matter what.
@@joseoviedo1644 although you are correct this guy is a little messy, but like i said it doesnt matter, when you are installing kerdi shower it its race with time. it doesnt matter what it looks like (although my work is much cleaner). Just cutting the guy a break cuz I thought you were busting his balls a little harder then necessary. It drives me crazy when people don't clean the finished tile, when i lay tile its so clean i don't even have to scrape joints before grouting. But some do and everyone is different. Not everyone is a born artist.
the kerdi fix in the corners was absolutely pointless. you put the kerdi fix on top of kerdi corners that already were doing the job.
Who is "we"? I just see one guy doing it
I don't know about anybody else, but my wife couldn't fit one ass cheek on that little corner bench. Going to end up being a place where women pile up their hair products.
Corner benches give ladies a place to put their foot to shave their legs.
sorry to hear that lol
This guy is a disaster. Keep a sponge near by, a margin trowel to wipe up excess thinset. Keep your product nice. If someone doesn’t care about cleanliness definitely not going to pay attention to details