Renault Clio RRS 200 EDC: On Road and Track - /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS
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- čas přidán 26. 03. 2013
- Has it gone soft? Should it have a manual gearbox? Is turbocharging the wrong direction? Is Will and Kate's baby a boy or a girl? Some of these questions are answered in this video.
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As a 'young person' and previous clio 182 owner, I reckon the new clio is the best yet, both in terms of looks and features. 1.6L turbo and paddle shifters from a company with strong ties to F1... yes, yes I would like to feel like a race car driver.
excellent review. professional assessment bscked by your driving ability and experience in all things cars Most imprrssive was the intelligent approach to the man vs paddles debate...you provided a breath of fresh air on this thanks for the great review
Are you dysgraphia?
got mine about a month ago. Such a fun car. No manual but it's agility and frantic nature makes up for that.
Robert Johnson is it abit like a mini gtr in some ways?
S Miller hahaha mate the only thing this car has in common with the GTR is launch control
I had one for 18 months and I'm looking at getting another (that's why I'm here). I love the things and all that crap about "missing something" is horse shit.
Better looking than a fugly fiesta and more manly looking than 208. Not bad
Chris Harris is the man! Best motoring journo by a mile!
4:25 I love how you can see the rear lock up, spin a bit, and lock up again =)
One of the best reviews I've seen on you tube, thanks Chris, I'll be following you now
I have this car, and is excellent! the gearbox is incredible!
i don't know why most people bash it. i guess it's better than a manual overall, just not fun. who needs fun, when you win the drag every time xD that's the fun
Totally agree 👍 I own one
@@rob5gt has it been reliable?
@@proton600 yes very much so had it for 6 months! Look after your car, it looks after you!! 😜
@@comedyman112 I can't agree with you, I've got a more old school view on hot hatches where fun and ability to do lairy stuff on public roads (not having to go ludicrously fast) is top priority. Some modern hot hatches are just too serious (lap times, flappy paddle boxes etc) and you have to be going dangerously fast (and illegaly) to use them to their full potential. More of a fezzer st kind of person to be honest.
Gosh I so enjoy these Reviews-the pictures are simply the best out there. Great stuff!
excellent review and excellent car. I like manual gearbox but I think EDC gx are very fast and practical system, you cant compare them. We need to enjoy them!
A great review as usual Chris, far more in depth (and a lot more pushing the car's abilities to the limits) than a weekly UK car mag's channel had. Great to see it put through its paces.
Chris is the man. Always gives the best reviews. No one on earth comes close.
Just bought one. Really enjoying the useable on road grunt of the turbo over the old model.
Love your point of view Chris.All about how much fun you can have in the car and not concentrating on times.
Congratulations Chris Harris, you're the most brilliant auto reviwer by far I've came across.
What an amazing review. Fresh and interesting style!
Probably my next car...I'm in love with this thing!!
Trust me! I'm a vehicle dynamics engineer....
The road spring needs to compress before it reacts any force onto the vehicle chassis.
The dampers reacts force almost immediately from an input.
When you hit a bump on the road the road spring barely compresses and the majority of force goes to the chassis through the dampers.
The springs are used mainly to tune roll stiffness and hence load transfers->slip angles of the tires and hence the overall under steer characteristics of the vehicle.
Chris Harris waxes philosophical on the new Clio RS. I love it. As many videos as I watch, he is THE commentator to beat regarding everything that makes a review great. No doubt I'm a big fan. Great work, Chris. Thanks.
Had a cheap front wheel drive car and was enthralled. At one point, my focus was not on shifting, or braking or anything you might imagine. My focus was on the interaction between the right front wheel and the road surface. That was it. My brain was constantly calculating the exact moment of right wheel impact coupled with accelerator depression. Hard to put into words but get it right and it becomes addicting and thrilling.
One of the best Chris Harris videos to date!
I bought one after this, and he’s right. Still have it. Love it
I've been waited for this test sooooo long
@4:28 LOVE the slo-mo slide into the hairpin, Chris! TOP cinematography!
The best review of the new Clio RS. Well done Chris, keep up the hand brake turn, as long as there are handbrake levers in the new cars!!!
Chris always does great reviews. Legend.
Brilliant! thanks Chris & Drive. Once again made my week with an awesome video. Feel like heading down to the local Renault dealer and giving one a fang!
This is also one of the best looking 5 door hatchbacks I've ever seen.
Another excellent review by Chris Harris. Cheers mate!
That backed in left hander replayed at the end: master-class.
Also the 5 doors are great. So practical
Looks like an really cool car from what I gathered, great review Chris!! Löve from Sweden
I've never seen a fwd hot hatch driven so well on a track. awesome stuff
Well said, one of the most honest reviews I've seen.
My opinion is that a hot hatch like this should at least have an option for a manual gearbox. I can see the paddles being useful on a track, but if you're going to primarily use it out on the road it's a lot more fun to shift through the gears with a stick.
Chris Harris-Simply the Best, I always look forward to his reviews.
Chris, I'm one of those "young people" you were referring to. I'm still partial to a manual gearbox. But I respect how you can think about different perspectives when reviewing cars. Spot on vid!
I've got mine in black with the cup pack. Car just eats up corners! Just feels like a full time job to keep the black looking good.....the looks you get though make it worth the effort
Thank you so true. I saw other reviewers hating the new car but Chris did a more comprehensive review and found the cars assets.
10:08 - change of direction and traction actually seem quite impressive for a non-lsd FWD.
Chris always tests the most interesting car of the moment ! Drive is over the top !
Awsome review. Very genuine. Thank you.
Chris has been a busy chap, and we salute him for that!
Great Review. I've had 2 Clio Sports 172 and 182 Loved them both. I wish I could justify buying a new RS it looks a lot of fun, but then again that's what the Clio Sport has always been....
Very beautiful!
Always an amazing car reviewer, nice job!
Not sure about the styling but looks like a fun little car. But excellent video as always! Love watching your reviews! Cheers
That was the review i was waiting. We would have to wait until august for first units to test drive.
One of the best review that i ever seen.
I love clio, especially the old Clio Williams, it was the genesis of a mith. I love this one, yes a manual gearbox it would be perfect but honestly... i'll buy one of it because i love too much the clio.
id love to see a video Chris comparing the new 200 EDC to the old 200 cup car on track to see which you enjoy more.
another great video
Loving chris Harris reviews at the min
Great review Chris [as always] and brave to go against the many negative reviews of this new Clio. I think most of the comments below encapsulate the general feelings towards this car, both positive and negative. Try finding a used one on the internet compared with how many Fiesta ST's are available [in ST-1/2/3 guise], for example through Pistonheads. I'm currently the owner of a Twingo RS Silverstone and cannot decide between this or the Fiesta [especially when you add the Mountune Pack - as Chris says compelling].
Buy the fiesta st theres a reason nobody bought a clio rs its because theyre shit nobody wants a car like this with flappy paddles if they do they buy a golf, you will also have problems selling this car if you buy it
dilawer321 What is wrong with you, you moron? :D :D You are clearly not interested in this car, but since it was launched in 2013 you post your stupid comments almost on all the Clio RS 200 EDC videos and you are even following the conversations and post bullshits again and again... :D :D Don't be affraid of the fact you quite like the car :D just maybe don't have the money for it... or you are just confused, little boy. I guess in every kind of way :)
+Neil Brown
u IDIOT...TAKE OFF your sunglasses
Finally! Some videos back i wrote about wishing Chris reviewing some "small" sport cars and here we have it. Hope some day to see reviews about the Corsa OPC, Polo GTi and Fiesta ST. Keep up the good work Chris!
(this is in Portugal isnt it? :D)
I'm a 20 something (26) and I can tell you without a question of doubt I prefer a stick. I learned how to drive on a 5 speed Jetta and nothing beats that control and enjoyment you get.
such a great review, well done sir!
Mr. Harris,
Thank you for a most enjoyable review. I have subscribed to your channel, and very much look forward to future reviews. Its a pity that the Renault is not available in America (or, is it?).
Thank you!
'Zahc'
it's a good looking little performance car. it's quicker than the previous one with even more comfort for every day use, and for those who want something more special (me too) renault will offer a track-focused Gordini version soon. I can't wait to place the order for the Gordini... :)
I wish Chris had been able to compare this to an old one back to back. Still a great review
I know I would like to have my 1983 Rabbit GTI back...people complained when the gen-II came out and it was bigger and more civilized...took the fun out of it....looks like Renault put the fun factor back in, and Chris Harris is just the guy to reveal it...great piece
Ordered one myself a couple of months back, delivery late September hopefully. The car is a much better drive than some reviews / folks would have you believe. If you can get past the thing that it's not the Uber hard core hot hatch that the previous generation/s Clio were, then most people I suspect would be pleasantly surprised how capable this car is both on the road and track. As usual, it's pretty much a matter of what someone wants. All of the current batch of hot hatches are decent motors (Fiesta ST, 208 GTI and the Clio RS). Just comes down to what you are looking for in a car. As an example... the current generation Fiesta ST is a great little car and probably the sharpest of the bunch. But the down side is the pretty firm ride and the fact that it's pretty noisy at motorway speeds (not sure why, as Ford are usually good at sorting NVH). Now this might not bother some, or even be noticed much... but for me on our badly made up rural SW Scottish roads, it pretty much ruled it out for me.While both the 208 GTI and the Clio have a much more forgiving ride. And the 4-doors of the Clio swung it for me. Plus once you take the time to get used to the EDC box (and it does take a while) I decided after many , many years of being a stick-shift man, that I rather liked it. Not perfect though... ideally it needs a 7-speed box (some odd gear ratio's in the current box), and the faster changes available in Race mode, should also be available in Sport mode. And "yes", the paddles on the steering wheel, rather than fixed on the binnacle would be the icing on the cake. Though none of these issues stopped me from enjoying driving the car.
As usual, the only way to decide if it's the car for you, is to go for a decent test drive (try and get it for at least an afternoon if possible). Then make your own mind up.
I personally think this is one of the better and more objective reviews of this car.
What's it like?
jflmd 916 edj
Hi... got fed up of waiting for a new car order (5 months and still a no-show) so cancelled my order and 2 days later bought an X Renault management car (IE. not an X demo... so only one owner). Saved almost £4.5k and a grand more for my trade in. So pretty much wiped out the first years depreciation. Better buy in the end.
It's the lux model in Liquid yellow. Unluckily only on stock suspension, really wanted the cup suspension. But to be totally honest, I think I prefer the silver wheels anyway.
I've put another 8k miles on it since I bought it last October. And besides some rusty wheels bolts (replaced under warranty), it's been faultless.
Ride and handling are spot on I think for the UKs poorly made up roads. Most of my driving (99%) is done on rural SW Scottish back roads. I think the chassis balance is pretty damn good. Cabin quality fine, though some plastics are a bit hard and cheap looking (the car is not alone here I think). Brakes for fast road use are very powerful, though for track use I think you would want harder spec pads. Engine pulls well and is pretty linear in it's power delivery. Though I wish it was a bit more vocal (both engine and exhaust).
As to the EDC auto box. I've not had any problems with it and not too sure why there is so many -ve comments about it. It's not the best DSG out there, but it's more than reasonable. Normal auto mode works fine and is OK for the odd time I go into town. The rest of the time I drive it manually with the paddles. I find the speed of the changes acceptable (sport or race mode). I reckon you can change gear three times in the time it would take the average driver (that's me then) to change manually once. Anyone that says different, has either never driven the car, or has a faultily gearbox. One thing you can do with the paddles, is pull one to quickly (but not hard enough) and hence not trigger the switch. I believe the switches on the paddles have been improved on the new Trophy edition that was shown at the Geneva motor show. Not a bad first effort for Getrag (gearbox manufacturer) and Renault in my opinion. Needs a bit more development work to sharpen it up a bit, but that's cars for you. But I can totally understand why some just prefer a manual box.
As a fast road car, I think it's a decent motor myself. And yes, I have driven bot the Fiesta st and 208 gti, before deciding on the RS Clio. The Clio is not quite as sharp a car to drive as previous gen ones, but in some ways I consider it a better car for that (IE. far easier to live with).
Though in the end it comes down to personal taste and what car in the end floats your boat. Now if the Fiesta ST had come with the option of 4-doors (like it does in the USA) then I might have been willing to over look the harsh low speed ride and the couple of other things I did not like about the car (NB. does not make it a bad car, just not for me). In the end, I'm happy with the car I bought.
Just to put things in perspective, I've had three Scoobies in the past, then bought a new shape Suzuki Swift sport (downsized), then decided to sell both the Suzuki and the sensible family Fabia (our other car) and buy just the one motor (IE. the RS Clio).
I shall be very interested to see what the revised car coming in September / October will be like. I'm assuming here that some of the mods from the Trophy edition will be carried over to the stock car (just don't expect a manual box). TBC
PS. And if you are the sort of person that likes to get your car chipped. Then there are several reputable tuners out there that can extract another 30/40 BHP with a simple re-map (cost around £400) to optimise for running on super unleaded. Just watch the torque increase with it being and auto box (they can account for this in the re-map).
+Michael Owen sorry I've taken only just seen this haha, thanks for your reply, very helpful. drove both a fiesta and the Renault this week and don't really know which I prefer. the ford seemed more refined and better build quality, but I like the sound and gearbox of the Renault.
main concern with the Renault is reliability, car I looked at had 15k miles and seemed to be in good shape, but I think if it was driven hard for 3 years some problems would pop up.
I just want the most enjoyable car to drive, never owned a hot hatch before, so would you say the Renault is the better option, or vice versa? from what I can gather the Renault would be better as a daily driver, more convenient etc. but the Ford is the choice if you just want fun and want to throw it round the bends quick.
same price for both cars, each have different benefits, can't decide, ahhhh
+jflmd 916 edj
Up to what you want really. Both are nice cars.
As to reliability... Mine is 17 months old (and driven pretty hard) with 23k miles on the clock and nothings broken or dropped off. Not even a rattle or squeak to be honest. IMO it's pretty much a myth that French cars are Shite. I've had two Renault's, two Citroen's and a Peugeot. And can't remember there being much go wrong with any of them. Two worst cars I had for reliability were both VAG products. A Mk4 Golf GTI and a Seat Ibiza TDI 130 sport (this one needed a new engine after only 6 weeks when the can belt snapped and trashed the engine!!! ... I jest not). The Renault also comes with a 4 year 100k warranty (as opposed to 3 years on the Ford). Renault have also done pretty well the last couple of years in the JD Power surveys (both for manufacturers and for the cars). Though as usual, you can have problems with any make/model of car.
Good luck whatever you decide.
As to me. At the moment I'm probably looking to PX my current car at the back end of this year. So I'll start looking June/July time. Really need something a bit bigger now. Shame they don't do the Renault Sport Megane in a 4/5 door and the new RS model probably wont be out till 2017 (after the cooking cars are released this year). So favourite at the moment is a Ford Focus st3 (I like my toys). We shall see.
By far the best car reviewer on any media.
what a great car and review :D
Great review Chris!
Great car Renault!
love the slow mo hi-res shots in the vid.
if chris says its okay then it must be but hope they bring out and brembo braked, recaro seated, big wheel arch version.
I love Chris Harris Reviews...
Yeah, because being in TEXAS is so important. Especially given that Chris's last video was the SLS AMG Black Series, and the one before that a Bentley Conti GT Speed and an Audi S4.
Keep up with the diversity Chris - it is what makes life (and driving) interesting.
Always a top driving, very good control.
And once again, it's nice to have footballers who are car enthusiasts!
great review... we need one of these in usa. it seems like it has the rawness of the a focus ST and the refinement of a golf R
Seeing this. After owning one. A alfa 159 2.4 diesel and now a Fiesta St MK7 (and previous a 205 gti and saxo 16v). I would probably choose this. It is the most allround. The fiesta ST is a rocket. The 159 is a highway milage monster....... but then again ... the saxo.... maybe even better handeling. less power more courage ... :D I loved all of them in a different way.
Adding. The Clio automatic box wasn't as bad as one did believe.Also if driven like a hooligan you would set it in full manual and then you could not manually out shift it.....
amazing review and amazing car
What a fantastic review. Great car.
So with you there, spot on.
Chris just makes it look so easy.
that little sequence at 4:25 is soo beautiful :)
Looks really fun to drive when Chris driving it with fwd slides.
Best sportscar reviewer by far.
I have owned a GTI DSG for 5 years, great gearbox BUT just got a Focus ST and my God having a manual again is so much more fun, engaging, rewarding and you have much more precise control over the car.. long live manuals I say! :D
That is a Clio!! But not a white one, it's a red one!! Jajaja!! Great video from DRIVE and Chris Harris!!
Living in the States, I don't know why I should care about this car, but I do. Yet another very entertaining review by Chris
I rather enjoyed that. Thanks for making sense of the change.
Before I saw this I had watched other reviews and I was still adamant that I'd take the old Clio 200 RS over the new car. Now I'm not so sure. I do however have some issues with the rear styling of the new car, so for that reason I'm yet to fall in love with it and really want to buy one. Maybe that will come in the future though.
Yes it is.
South of Spain, near Granada.
Awesome place.
I was gonna say the same thing as Mathis. Well said. Keep it up Chris.
Brutal Clio 😎👍
Nissan GT-R's pedals. i lold. good work chris, excelent review
I know I shouldn't, but I really want one. It just sounds like a cleverly-engineered car, like everything was made to offer a coherent experience. And by God, is it pretty. One of the prettiest cars of Renault's history.
Good show Chris.
You got to love those blieping sounds when shifting.... or not!
awesome slow motion sequence
Wow there are so many mixed emotions about this car. On one hand you have the purists that demand ultimate track performance on an everyday car, and the others wanting a little more refinement.
I think these opinions may be age related, since growing older over the years and having a fair share in performance turbo manuals, these days I enjoy the convenience of the dsg and can appreciate the leap forward. Being a current owner of a vw gti, there is not much to look back and miss driving a manual.
On the other hand I can completely understand the younger enthusiasm towards those who prefure a more rough, manual track-ish car because a lot of us have been there and done that and everyone is entitled to that experience.
Can't wait to test drive one of these to see how it stacks up to the gti.
On Road and Track! taking away some views from road and track? I like it.
Awesome review as always, Chris! Very objective and to the point.
By the way, where's the rest of the drive team? Haven't seen Road testament, Shakedown, Rideapart, Tuned, etc. in a LONG time!
Just curious... and missing the rest of the shows. :)
Quality video!! Please drive we want more!!
How many twenty year olds are buying and insuring brand new Clio RS's?
Double Dieppe why you ask?
@@LegionarHR Probably meant that hot hatches are so expensive nowadays that 20-year-olds can't afford them. Which is true.
I'm 21 and I've just bought a 15 plate rs. Only Paid £600 for insurance too.
I know of plenty of lads 20 and under who have new Mercedes c and e classes or audi s3s, golf r's so clios are within reach
That's why you buy them second-hand. Clio RS, even RS Trophy's are a bargain second hand nowadays! They are half the money only 3-5 year old!
Great video, it would be a fantastic car to me with a proper manual gear box...
My dads 69 helped him get a fun car got a Clio 182, gave up trying to find a nice hot hatch with an auto as it didn't exist. But now it does I expect when my dads in his 70's will upgrade to this new Clio auto and the cool thing is it will shift faster than a driver could shift manually!
mmmm.. as a big clio fan and owner of a megane 225 F1 the release of the new Clio was saddening... But as usual Chris Harris' amazing reviews are making me re-evaluate my position on all things RS...
Great vid
I appreciate the reflection beginning @ 2:02