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Renault Clio RS 200 EDC v Ford Fiesta ST Mountune - /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2013
- Ford has boosted the Fiesta ST. Many people already thought it was better than the paddles-only Clio RS. Time for a face-off.
Another weekly video dose of automotive excellence. Keep up the good work Chris and all of you at Drive.
i like the recent use of slow mo clips, they really make it a different viewing experience, keep pumpin out the footage chris! dedicated viewer/fan
gotta love that straight cut whine
That Walkinshaw V6 was a mental move for any brand at any time. As car lovers we have to savour those moments, they won't come often.
I'm getting soon Clio RS 200 EDC and just can't wait! Been waitin for almost four months now...
@Batman dude his comment was 7years ago lol
0-60 in 6.5 in a Ford Fiesta of all things... these are good times for automotive enthusiasts.
I think that Clio is better looking. looks incredible from the rear. fiesta looks, well, american.
Alex Bienemann has the Clio got a manual gearbox... No!
I agree the clio is better looking but I don't think the fiesta looks very American. I drive a fiesta st and on the road my car looks European compared to everything else
@@rejoicerone3176 yes
But you can heel and toe
Clio has a face only a mother could love
The brakes on the Feista st are really really good I've never had brake fade yet and I've driven mine pretty hard it's the best all round hot hatch and has been for 3 years or so so the French have a bit of catching up to do on how to improve on the Feista
The problem I have is a like the Clio. Yes I miss the manual but I think I could get over it. The fiesta is brilliant to my eyes I like the styling but I do have a soft spot for the 208 gti I'm just glad they've found their mojo again
+Ian Townsend Me too, wish I could see more of the 208 GTI around.
I live in Toronto, Canada. Ive never even seen a Clio, but obviously a Fiesta. I only really watched this review because of Chris Harris' personality! Excellent info and entertaining to watch! They should drop Tanner Foust and have Chris as a third presenter
Fair enough that's one out of many. The best thing I advise you to do is not worry about a review and test drive them all yourself like I did and I went for the ST in the end, purely down to how well it handles. Pick the right one for yourself.
30 degrees, that's so cute. We got to 32 the other day in Sydney and we've only just started Spring
i find it odd in some shots its clearly molten orange in colour up to and including lining up and not once it goes.i know the molten orange colour changes dramatically in different lighting conditions but not to a red even burgundy colour as i had one
I'll have my Mountune MP215 kit finally fitted after over a year of having my ST, I wanted to get really used to the stock performance so I'd feel the benefit from the Mtune kit. So excited! If I'm honest I think Chris Harris is the reason I bought a Fiesta ST! Loved his review of it.
And I bet you were disappointed with it lol.
@@richardhurr31 funnily enough I didn't actually go with Mountune, I went for a Revo stage 2 kit instead running somewhere between 240 and 250 hp, full Milltek non res turbo back exhaust (with Milltek sports cat), airtec intake, intercooler (can't remember brand) and I was NOT disappointed haha. Only thing I was disappointed with was how often I needed to change the front rubber lol
@@Matt7R haha good choice. Glad you saw sense. 😂
Thanks for the english subtitles!!! it´s make easier to me understand the video!!
I´m from Brazil and english it´s not my native language!! So if can put subtitles in all of these videos i´ll be greteful!!
Thanks!! and congratulations for the channel!
The sound of that Cup car us just fantastic. What fun.
WhiteMoonLights
That's a comparison between the stock versions of each car. The Fiesta ST in this video has been fitted with the Mountune Performance package giving it 215 hp.
Good review ! nice to see the Clio Cup !
Well with the new Clio Trophy having 220BHP and 260Nm of torque (280Nm with overboost in 4th and 5th!) I'm glad I've gone for the Clio.....
I know it's more expensive but it just has so much more going for it than the Fiesta.....
And if a lot of it is about talk as Chris says the the new Clio trophy has almost 100Nm than the stock Fiesta and OVER 100Nm in the later gears.....
What was the relevance with the Cup car?
I have a 172 and love the look of the new Clio, agreed lots of people say they prefer the Ford (maybe because cheap lease deals allow the hot hatch generation to drive a brand new car??)
But the last 3 minutes of this video honestly make it look like Renault just asked you to drive their Cup racer to take the spotlight away from the Ford winning in a straight line at the start of the vid...
Really liked the Vid and both cars, but I keep wondering what that performance upgrade was all about on the ST?. If I had kids but still wanted a small rocket I would no doubt take the Clio of those two. Perhaps the Fiesta should have been a 4 door in this vid ( like the two door much better though). The ST looks really good and I even liked the Clio a lot when that came out (contrary to a lot of others) the ST is just more appealing and aggressive looking - The Clio feels more grown up which might be good for non Hot Hatch versions but for HH not so. Good comparison.
need to compare the mountune st to the clio 220 trophy ,,, pleassse
r14j Why? It's more expensive. Surely the point it that you can have the Fiesta with Mountune for the same price as the regular Clio RS?
Alex Napper Even with the Mountune kit it's easily over 1000€ cheaper. That pays for 2 sets of Michelin pilot sport 3 tires. Renault has blown it by not having a manual as standard. It's a hot hatch requirement. It's not playing in the league of cars like GTR, 911, and lambo's. and what not.
@@Naps-95 exactly
brilliant stuff, as always.
It's nice there is now a car choice for everybody. The Clio for the gadget brigade, The ST has followed on from previous Clios but with the torque that everyone that didn't like to use a gearbox and a cam tuned powerband moaned about and the 208 GTI for the people that want a more everyday hot hatch in this sector. It's a good time if you have the money. No one needs to bother with any over priced VAG crap for a change.
Where can I get the rear spoiler that is on the clio cup?
Chris, do you left foot brake? And how about a foot work shot on one of your vids so we can see how much is going on?
I'm a big RenaultSport fan, I've got a Mk3 Clio 200 but id still have the ST over the new Clio. £21,000 for a JUNIOR hot hatch? No thanks
I really do think that whoever comes out with a rwd hatchback now, will most definitely kill em all. I hope Kia's concept comes out.
hi im from the future yes it did indeed come out
Chris this may very well be a ridiculous question but would one be able to purchase a cup car and if so how much are they?
I would like to get a Clio, but they don't have them over here in the states. Considering a Fiesta though.
BurqaKing! thats fricken awesome! Totally agree the track if the place to explore the limits. Had errands to do all day. Took the wagon out and slow to warm up / fluctuating temp. Also wouldn't stay composed when pushing on a tight 450 degree onramp that is well cambered but drops maybe 8m. To the shed to do the thermostat (stuck halfway open) and flush + new coolant. Check tyre pressures (had done that when I picked it up but checked for changes) still all the same so check alignment, ...cont
Exactly :D
Really I wanted to see Chris compare the standard ST to the standard Clio. But I guess he has already said his opinion on that, which is in a conflict with the internet.
Erm....wasnt that fiesta tuned? Did anyone see the little yellow badge on the tailgate! And why isnt a comparison to the polo gti being done?
Great video!
makes me wonder whether that fiesta was driven with the air con on like in the early part of the video which shows the as air con on as we all know thiswill slow the car down a bit,but it will pee all over a standard clio sport.i know so(ive one in st3 guise).like chris says above 60mph it is so aggressive in mountune guise
with havent even whatched it: chris, you made my day
“30 degrees is a heat wave”
Lol *laughs in south of France
Some of the go-fast goodies we never get over here in the States. We got the Focus ST, but I didn't know they made a Fiesta ST too! And the Clio is cute too.
weve got the fiesta st in canada so you must have it in the states. i agree we dont get most european spec goodies but i think youre wrong on this one
We got the Fiesta, but not the ST model. And we just got the Focus ST. That'll satisfy me for a while.
Chalres Kirkland you can buy the fiest st in the states, but you dont get the option of a 2 door. there is only the 4 door st
Definitely getting the mountune kit for my focus st
so not the same gearbox in the clip cup car as in all the rs 4 road cars? Not sure I heard it right.
How's it different than ours ? My 2004 Focus has the same knob ?
Yes, that is true but the idea that first gear is furthest (besides reverse) from you rather than right up to your right thigh (or left in that case). It would definitely take some getting used to, but not impossible.
i wonder whats funner, clio cup or a well built honda challange car
I love it when Chris has to go and do some work .
You should do a Ford Fiesta ST vs. the Opel Corsa OPC, same power range, both with a stick and pretty much same size (the European version of the Fiesta at least), would be great :)
Please make a video with the new Focus ST Mountune!
The clio cup has a limited slip/locked differential right?
Need to do the 220 trophy clio vs the montune fiesta
4:57 now that's how you hit the apex
Forcing people to have a 5 door with auto box only in this sector is going to put a lot of people off, especially fans of the old clio....which was 3 door with a 6 speed manual.
Also I bet that gearbox is at least part of why the clio is so much more expensive than the ST. Kinda shot themselves in the foot there really.
+soundseeker63 yes clearly based on the comments you're absolutely right. I suppose people get hot hatches for the driving pleasure and fun of it all, not sheer speed, and as such the 6 sp fiesta is miles ahead in terms of popularity.
+lalala kieran In australia the clio has seen a massive boost in sales over the previous gen clio due to the EDC gearbox. I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice to also have a manual option but Renault stated that it was one or the other and chose to go dual clutch. Everyone is still hoping for a manual Gordini though and that would be a nice car. In this price bracket though the most popular small sports car in aus is by far the toyota 86
Daniel Bradey golf gti's are everywhere in Sydney and polo gti's too are very popular. I got a golf gti 2011, manual of course, love it. really is manic little car when pushed not always so mature
Yeah. But in Straya so few people can even operate a manual. It annoyed me so much, that a lot cool used cars that I wanted to buy were only available in auto. Auto gearboxes are a huge market there. In Europe however, manual is still the stuff most people can use/want to have/buy.
Props to the few Aussies that drive stick.
Robert Waffel gotta have hot hatches in manual imo.
Would be interesting to see that Clio Cup edition go up against the Ford Fiesta RS (like Ken Block drives). Would also like to see the Mountune Fiesta up against a regular ST to see if the difference is really worth the extra cash.
Will the montune kit be available in the us?
pt 3 Some of the offramps etc, all Auckland NZ. Westbound on Esmonde Rd, descending left hander to get on to SH1 Northbound. Northbound on SH1, get off at Albany Expressway / Greville Rd, right hander on the roundabout and switch to the left that rises steeply to get back on SH1. Huia Rd and on to gravel on Whatipu Rd.
Please do a video off a fiat 500 asseto corsee direct competitor for these 2 car!
3:47 what was that under the Fiesta? an oil squirt? water?
the next Golf 7 R will ( if I remember correctly reading it on top gears website ) have the haldex drive like all the other R-series cars from them BUT it will be able to send 100% of the power to the rear wheels if you want so or it requires it
He is stating the temp in Celsius, the conversion is 86 degrees Fahrenheit ,pretty warm for the UK I think.
OK... so the clio the high performance one in the last part of the video. How do you get that kind of race car sound in a stock fiesta st or clio? Is that actually the sound from the exhaust or is it an entire different engine set-up? That sound is the coolest sound in the world and I would give my left leg to have that high pitch spooling whine of a race car in my stock fiesta st.
What about an engine transplant for the Fiesta.The one from a Focus ST, a wider track. and a Fiesta R5 bodyshell
After the Ferrari video it would br very dificult to top that one but still a good one this is! keep it up Chris!
What do you mean? The gearbox is the same as in left-hand-drive cars.
I'm glad Ford is putting out great hot hatches. Hopefully, other manufacturers will follow suite.
Depends on the person.
Like me I'm having more fun when I'm at the edge of the limit the car can have. For some others it's enough when the tires start to spueesh.
I know the feel, Like living in Australia, almost 40+ on some days
Im sure both would be a ton of fun on the streets or track
How about the Tesla Model S P85+? It just got to Europe, might not be a bad time to test it..say along with an M5 for good measure?
That Cleo race car sounds absolutely stunning wowsers....
i am from north america so i don't know this... but whenever renault is mentioned, everyone says it's unreliable and will slowly fall apart. is this true?
Dual clutches put out amazing shift times but in anything like a hot hatch I just don't think it's needed, people don't buy a hot hatch for maximum speed they buy them for fun. Just think a manual better suits both these cars
We can't get the Clio here anyway. And the Fiesta ST is only available as a Four Door which I don't mind I don't get caught up in how many doors a car has. I want a Focus ST because it's larger and nicer inside but every time I watch a video by Chris or by Matt @ Smoking Tire on their Modifed ST,it makes me want one especially if the banks won't let me have a loaded up Focus ST, might as well get a Fiesta ST, loaded get a tune (not Mountune in the US that's too conservative), exhaust and something I won't mention, increase the power by 40%... Its the small car that's good at EVERYTHING and that's hard to ignore.
I think the Ford stays true to the original definition of what a hot hatch should be. The Renault is trying to change the hot hatch formula which isn't broken in the first place.
@Forza4You My e36 m3 has the dog leg gear box and it's really natural. First gear feels like its in the same place as normal and you have to really reach for reverse.
It has a roof scoop. I love it.
I'm loving that red seatbelt.
Still automatic?
Why? It's exactly the same. The gears are in the same position. The Reverse is in the front but that is very common on Diesel powered cars, and it's easy to get used to.
I watched an episode where these guys took a used Fiesta ST and tuned it with a chip and bolt on upgrades to over 400 HP and 400 lbs of torque.
It's not really a hatchback anymore, is it?
The 1 serie is quite bigger than the clio etc
Really? That sound fantastic! Where have you heard about that?
what do you have to do to get a job like this? I'm jealous!
Nobody is too old for hooning around in a hot hatch! Although if you have space needs, the Focus could be better for you. I drove my friend's around and it was sublime.
Why? It isn't really different, is it?
what is trail braking?
does anyone else have a problem with renault not giving us a proper manual gearbox or is it just me ?
I'd like to hear Chris's take on a Mazdaspeed3.
So it could be faster than the Focus for less money? Right...
can I get the TL:DR version of this argument?
RWD and shots wheelbase is a recipe for a legend!! Lancia Stratos, Toyota GT86, Lotus Elise, Mazda Miata etc...
do you own both of them?
It would make sense for them to sell it as a Nissan in North America. I would like to see that :) I wish car companies would sell all the models all over the world, not just limited to markets. (even if in limited runs)
Mountune needs to come to the US market. Ford has the best hot hatches at the moment and I think they would sell well in the US.
Very true! I forgot the first generation... ;)
Still waiting for the fiesta Rs
well, that never happened
Why you driven the Clio not in the Race-Mode in the Drag?!
I love the Clio rims!!
why? It has the exact same shift pattern as the american version.
Clio is way better looking to me but preference varies from person to person, honestly looks like for won this one, cheaper, faster the only reason you'd get the Clio is if you just prefer it lol
is it supercharged or is the noise gearbox wine ?
haha must be supercharged and turbocharged
Having driven a clio 4 RS cup chassi for a bit more than 11.500 km to this day, I completly agree with Chris Harris regarding the gearbox. It works just perfectly well and is a real bonus in everyday conditions. The car is fun to drive and probably better than the ford for a daily ride on UK roads. 5th gear review is just plain stupid.
probably because reverse gear is in a different place and the shifter requires you to use your left hand