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Ep 201 | For this Christmas season Eddy and Alvin and joined by Old Head Emeritus FD Signifier to discuss the closing Jonathon Majors trial
*This episode was recorded prior to the verdict. As of this video's posting, Jonathon Majors was found not guilty of two charges and guilty of two charges. His sentencing is pending.
0:00 Preview
1:45 Old Heads vs. Youth slang
8:15 Kanye
13:02 JONATHON MAJORS
17:40 Is our treatment of domestic abuse too carceral?
23:32 Texts heavily imply MAJORS injured JABBARI in prior incident
25:14 Is “mutual abuse” even a valid concept?
31:29 Video evidence of Majors lifting/pushing Jabbari back into car AND running to get away from her
39:41 Are these conversations even worth while / positive (revisited)?
52:10 Jonathon Majors Wanted a White Nubian Queen
1:20:41 The APOLOGY
1:23:58 We have no great Black leading men left
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I mean the dude that played Hawkeye pulled a gun on his wife, and they gave his ass a whole miniseries.
Transformative Justice is the idea you’re looking for FD. Decentering carcerality, recentering care and accountability and support for all parties, towards a better world that changes the circumstances so abuse does not happen again.
If only FD took that advice instead of covering for abusers
@@esbenm6544 Who is he covering for?
@@esbenm6544 what abusers?
@@deaconlasagna8570 djmuel
@@deaconlasagna8570 Long story short FD got into the broader "left tube" space and collaborated with some folks that ended up being abusers in their own right. There's more to that but yeah.
Forreal this is why I fuck wit FD and why I'm glad he put me onto this podcast. I've been bouncing back n forth on how to feel about this whole ordeal and this conversation brings facts and experience and context I just don't have. Thank you for this discussion....and y'all funny as hell. 100%
This is why I don't. He doesn't hold himself to that standard.
@@esbenm6544 what standard?
@@DepressedAI The one where you put truth and professionalism before ego and pettiness.
@@esbenm6544 can you point out lies he has said?
@@MrTomaton2 Both of his so-called Breadtube videos. Where he loudly proclaims he cant even make it through the first half of Vaush speaking to professor Flowers, like that is a point of pride, yet somehow that doesn't stop him from having opinions on it. Nothing ever stops him from that, no matter how little he actually knows about something.
He's the kind of person who's always right, and rather than admit he's wrong, he'll revise the past to retroactively make him right. He'll support actual racists on twitter when they are against people he also doesn't like. He has no integrity, his pride gets in the way of that.
I'm crying at "how do you have that conversation with your white woman?" damnit eddy
Marcia Lucas, the film editor and wife of George Lucas who saved the first Star Wars film with her cut of the film. She also edited Taxi Driver.
Fran Walsh and Peter Jackson she do wrote and is a producer of nearly all his films and does some additional directing on multiple of the films.
Yeah I'm not real keen on this idea that non black women are apparently just office furniture or something in these marriages
Margaret Sixel, wife of director George Miller, edits his movies too. She did Happy Feet and Mad Max: Fury Road.
I thinks the convo on wanting the black female aesthetic has more to do with the valuing of suffering that underlies that female aesthetic, the bad they have to deal with for the benefit of creating “black heroes” is seen as both expected but only valuable in context.
The convo on victims of abuse not being taken care of i feel is not a bug but a feature the goal isn’t to help people but dish out justice or the appearance of justice, not about righting wrongs but punishing wrongdoers cause tbh thats easy to do and just tell folks to take solace that the “only problem they could ever have in our society” can be chalked up to the few bad people
Having villains solve agnst that should be addressed with solutions
I agree. As they were talking about I was like “yeah, it would still be a problem if he said Melinda Gates cuz none of those ended well, it’s like he’s asking for someone to help him while they’re being fucked over”
red shirt dude at 25 minutes in set it off lovely. ive been in the field of abuse for two decades and I explain this a lot to people. im personally not mad when someone getting their ass kicked for years finally strikes back.
I’m not black but what I found kinda shocking with Majors comparing Jabari to those black women is that it instantly for me diminished the work of those women. If you read all the Obama’s books there’s differences between both of them and more importantly Barack Obama points out Michelle for him is a better campaigner and more relatable than he is. And Coretta Scott King had to put up with MLK infidelity’s and went on to do great work after he died. These women were not just mindless supporters of their husbands in my view.
And yes I live in the U.K. and the Obama’s were pretty much liked by a lot of people and seen as a very intelligent and supportive couple.
I think you're over thinking the comparison. The whole conversation he was trying to tell her to not get white girl wasted and tarnish his reputation. In summation, just don't be a liability.
@@moballardful how is someone coming home drunk from a night out going to damage anyone’s reputation? Also at that point in time he wasn’t a massive a list name and nor was she.
@@c17sam90 getting drunk in public and acting unsavory is negative attention a rising star doesn't need. Again, a liability. Those recordings were from 2022 so by that point he'd been in Creed III and working with marvel and knew shit was popping. There's nothing "wrong" with being drunk but I mean even from the police body cam she's laid out with no drawers on in the closet so maybe he knew she had a problem. We can't say. Nothing he said was out of pocket but because he was being direct it's being slanted like he's oppressing her when he was saying don't fuck up the money lol.
@@moballardful creed 3 and antman came out in 2023. So no one in 2022 was talking about Majors in that way other than that’s a talent actor and one to watch. if she was drunk she’s allowed to be drunk. That doesn’t excuse him hitting her and telling her not to go to the hospital that’s abuse and if it was her money she’s spending she’s allowed to spend it. If she was stealing his cards and wallet that’s something else.
@@c17sam90 really? Could've sworn Creed was last year but you're right. There's no definitive proof he hit her that night though. All we have is that driver's witness account where she jumped on him to take the phone and that started a struggle. Everything else is debatable but the court case was regarding the night in question. He was without a doubt manipulative and emotionally abusive off the evidence but overall nothing is strong enough to say he assaulted her which is honestly reflected by the fact they couldn't get him on all those charges. The ones they did get him on are consolation prizes for her
Eddie putting lights on a piece of vine and calling it a tree is peak 'Waving the Red Flag' energy.
The multiple camera angles does make it look like the earlier Resident Evil games. I laughed out loud for real. That did make it way funnier.
Jon Boyega and Daniel Kaluuya are amazing
Kaluuya is a horrible actor
@@Don.M. he was great in get out and the new animated Spiderman movie
@olliebluemama I liked the small role he played in Black Panther as well.
Yeah I feel like Boyega didn’t get his fair shake in Star Wars, he spoke out, and now he’s not talked about like he should be
@@Nortarachangesi think John Boyega trouble is he was brash in general and kinda didn’t do himself any favours. He came from doing smaller British films to Star Wars and it went to his head. There’s one thing being on top and complaining there’s another thing if you’re part way up and complaining. He was fantastic in Detroit and Small Axe in my view he needs to take smaller projects to show off his range.
the fact that these high profile cases get so much attention only really reveals the public’s temperament on broader topics. currently, the sentiment online reflects paranoia, mistrust and hostility towards women, as a whole. one could say that the vocality of this sentiment has reached and gone past its peak online but it’s still reflected in society. men hurt women a lot. women hurt men too, but not in the same way. but the overwhelming trend is that women who are victimized by men and dare report the crime(s) are demonized for it.
And so are men who are abused by men it literally gets turned into a joke
I do think that depends on level of privilege. A whit woman will believed automatically if the accused is a person of color. Black women will not be believed no matter who it is.
55:00 Y'all should do a whole show about Black people who were ostracized or felt left out by their Black peers as kids and how some went astray and others came back into the fold. What caused each path.
Oof. I was definitely one of the black kids that was ostracized 😭. But I found my way back tho lmao 🤣
Holy shit! That's a really good idea.
I would like see that as well as more conversations around perceived and actual assimilation by black Americans into the greater white/non black culture, selling out, cooking vs being oneself
@360recaps boom. That's the one.
@360recaps Agreed. But I think sometimes it morphed into an actual dislike of Black people that lasted throughout adulthood.
Eleanor Roosevelt might have been a good example in the "Coretta Scott King" debate.
Maybe Jackie Kennedy or Hillary clinton. He was so my saying watch out for your legacy
Lol that’s who I thought of
She’s British? His example for her should have been Queen Elizabeth or Princess Diana.
@@Candy004 In the Heat of the debate I doubt if those will be the first he pulled out but for her references they would have been great. But for whoever he named black white Native American Malaysian it wouldn't have mattered she doesn't have the capability of being any type of woman that won't put you under
For FD to claim that there are no non-black women he can think of that have held it down for a male partner is just…odd? I don’t know, it’s just, surely that is an assumption that wouldn’t intuitively make sense, right? Maybe I’m wrong but that just seemed like something that would stand the test of even a small amount of counterargument and seems like an odd take coming from him
I think that in the black community there is a reverence for the great black couples of history that further elevates the perceived stature of the “great black man”. He later rattled off a number of great black figures that had white partners eg. James Baldwin. But when you think of James Baldwin you don’t necessarily see the entire picture of the great man, with his equally powerful wife and this seductive image of not only the greatness of the man but also this example of beautiful black love and black domesticity. And as for great white men, I think that image of the perfect family unit is so common among white people that seeing it isn’t as powerful, and especially for black people isn’t as relatable. And so FD saying that highlights that sort of powerful great black love imagery that does resonate so deeply for a lot of black people. And thus the power of the imagery Jonathan Majors was using.
It's straight up stupid. That whole thread of conversation is exactly: I can't think of any, therefore there aren't.
So casually self involved and obtuse. And FD gonna try and legitimize the ignorance by faculty lounging some theory about life and death struggle.
Just say, "I don't know."
@@khesaro2584 James Baldwin was gay
Honestly I think the whole "You can't name a white woman who is a pillar for the relationship in the same way" isn't bc there aren't white women who fit that role- but bc we don't talk about white woman's contributions in the same way. Idk I feel like maybe (and this is off the top of my head spitballing) the expectations around white women to not be anything else but that means that the dozens and dozens of women who do that just... disappear, and white supremacy and misogynoir mean that when black women do what is like expected of white women it is seen as exceptional bc of the de-gendering of black women? Or maybe just different cultural expectations about how you speak about the women in your life in general?
For an ex of white women getting just sort of disappeared and not discussed someone else mentioned George Lucas' wife here in the comments. But when my mom married my step-dad, she helped him write several plays for the local little theatre- he didn't put her name on any of them and took all the compliments and praise for himself. She was also expected to do his secretarial work (he was super busy in local volunteer scenes and she scheduled, called people, kept him organized, volunteered alongside him...), while cooking cleaning raising the kids AND working part time. And he controlled all the money she made from the part time too. Now like, they were incredibly unhealthy of course, but like. When he got awards for his contributions, they never mentioned her and he never thanked her in any speech. He never acknowledged her in any way, and neither did the community she helped him manage. I think most white women who do that kind of job just will never get mentioned, written down or spoken about and historically just. Vanish. And it happens everywhere, from small town to political office
wow. thanks for this thoughtful comment. truly. ive never actually heard anyone speak on this before, never really thought about the disappearing of white women's roles in husband's success in this way (even though i see it first hand) just because the disappearance of other women of other ethnic groups is so much more noticeable and fatal, but still this is important and im glad i was able to read this. given me something to reflect on.
@catlover4319 I'm glad you mentioned this because I was thinking about how my comment might sound like I'm saying women of color's contributions aren't ignored or erased.... and that's 100% not the case. I agree that it's so often just much more violent in nature.
I think another interesting aspect is that when this passive erasure (for lack of a better term) happens to white women it's done by white men, and when passive erasure is done to black women... it is done by white people in general? Thinking of the "perfect housewife" stereotype and how much it relies on underpaid domestic labor by black and brown women for white women. (For the record, in spite of the insanely long list of things my mother was doing I was not erasing a brown or black woman from her stuff- she legit did it all by herself. And it drove her to two nervous breakdowns)
And of course the violent type of erasure of women of color comes from all men, not just white men.
But I just do not consistently see black men passively erasing black women in the same way that white men will do to white women (I'm sure it exists- but the very fact that we cannot name a white lady who hits the "pillar" imagery the same way we can with black women shows something). In my personal experience with Asian family members and friends, Asian women also get this passive erasure in a very similar method that white women get.
I dunno this topic has given me a lot to think about. I'm sure there's a billion essays and thinkpieces that could be written just on this
This was amazing and so is your mother.
This is ahistorical.
If I was to ask the average American about White women in world history off the top of their head, that list would be twice as long as the same list of Black women.
They don’t teach Black history in our schools, and most people could only list civil rights leaders and Harriet Tubman.
This is literally because Black people have only had the same freedoms in the last 60 years.
Oh man I have so many thoughts on this but I can't really articulate it the way I want to. I don't want to cape for who's women but I do have theories on it. For the OP that is unfortunate yet all to true.. u don't think in the black community black women are less accepting of erasure, and they shouldn't be just like white women or any women of any ethnicity should be. But I think it's a cultural expectation. I can think of one woman who was not in the background at all in a positive light in Eleanor Roosevelt... and in a negative way Nancy Reagan.
Yikes. I'm a "weird Black" women. It started as a child when I was bullied by my own cousins. Drove me into my weirdness. Fast forward to my adulthood: My first husband was white ( from Europe) my second husband is from Japan
Also weird, other races of men are not attracted to me. Married to a weird black man. 😅
As a fellow ‘weird black’, I think we need to have a convention or something. I have YET to find my people…
@@Don.M.FR
My gf is a "weird black" woman apparently, I never thought of her as weird and I still don't 😂
I’m also a weird black woman lol, I’ve dated outside of my race frequently but my future husband is a beautiful African American man. We’ve been together for two years. I don’t identify as African American because my parents are from Panama and St. Lucia with some white mixed in, but I always grew up feeling weird and like I didn’t fit in because there aren’t a lot of black latinos in MN. To this day I’m still weird, but I like it. I use it to my advantage usually!
I dont think he shoulda been charged but idk how you read them texts and think bro aint do nothing
Yep. My thoughts exactly.
People are filling in the blanks with those texts regardless of the fact that the ex testified on the stand that he never physically abused her. Dude was trying his best to stay out of the news for anything negative because of the work he does. If he was a garbage man or a truck driver like me, having a woman that has a habit of going out and getting drunk and coming home drunk wouldn’t threaten his line of work. People act as though this is nothing for him to be upset about, but if it was the other way around and it was a man who had a habit of coming home to his significant other drunk, it would count.
@@ahfimiwonawunyou don't need to fill in blanks. It doesn't matter if he hit her or not saying "you can't go get medical care or I'll kill myself" is controlling and abusive. And it's shitty that she was threatening suicide at him too. I don't think he should be charged for that, but like. That's abusive and I think anybody who looks at him differently afterwards is just being honest about what he was doing there
@@twistysunshine, what people are insinuating about the texts is that he beat her up and didn’t want her to go to the hospital because he’d “get found out”. That’s what I’m talking about. Threatening suicide in a relationship in order to get someone to behave the way you want them to is toxic and manipulative, but that’s very different from physically beating someone up. And it’s not merely shitty that she was doing the same thing in regards to threats of suicide. If it’s controlling and abusive for him to do it, it’s also controlling and abusive for her to do it as well.
How did you get that from those texts? I'm not even trying to be funny but men can't vet men. He was totally manipulating her and giving abuser
I think Jonathan Majors' days of being on the potential "Super Star" track are long gone but I think he'll probably still have a solid career. He might have to do the 2-3 yr hiatus then come back and ball out in some indie films (or 2 slave movies) then he'll be accepted back into the gates of Hollywood. He still has enough support at a ground level to be marketable and can actually act. He's lucky that those traffic/security cams were filming or else he would be DONE done.
I think his come back will be harder if he doesn’t accept some level of accountability. When I look at the domestic abusers who have been able to come back they all took a level of accountability and that includes rehab, anger management and publicly admitting they’re at fault. The fact that Majors lost his agent and PR team in spring who are all trained to deal with this stuff means he possibly wasn’t listening to them. And he also choose not to testify at the trial
@@c17sam90 That may be true. However the one reason I don't think it matters is because the majority of people (at least that I've come across) don't seem to believe he is an abuser. Like the common thing I'm hearing people blame him for is for making such a terrible choice in a partner. Now if he comes out super belligerent like "Fuck the system! The Man is trying to keep me down." I think it will turn off some supporters off, but if he's pretty quiet about it like, "I'm innocent and just want to move on with my life." he should be able to hold onto most of his supporters. Coming back from stuff like this is possible, like Chris Brown was accused of WAY worse, with pretty bad pictures too and he bounced back just fine. I could always be wrong though. Johnny Depp hasn't really recovered yet.
If Mel Gibson can come back, he'll be fine, unless white supremacy is a real thing
2 slave movies 😂
Not the SLAVE MOVIES LOL
1:03:07 Okay, but this is an interesting point. I think “holding someone down” is a culturally specific way to describe something pretty universal, AND YET I think there’s something here.
So, to take an extreme view, the plain fact is that every single First Lady who has ever First Ladied has done the universal version of “holding a man down” (as someone who’s had an interest in First Ladies since she was a child, I can attest to this, and Eleanore Roosevelt is a great example: did she say anything when her trash husband had a decade’s long affair, breaking her heart completely? No. She just moved to the other side of the house and kept working towards their shared goals). Since 99.98% of those women were/are white, on the surface, we have a conflict here, *except* that as the 20th century progressed, we’ve had multiple First Ladies rebel out of this, to the detriment of their reputations, only to be reclaimed by (white) feminism.
FD mentioning Jackie Kennedy as Jackie *Onassis* is a perfect example, and because the last season of The Crown just came out, Diana Spencer is another. These women left ~society~ marriages (one, albeit,more willingly than the other) that were held up as the personification of fairytales, only to become entangled with men who were wealthy, but “not the right sort” (read: new money and/or not white enough… and one of these men was *Greek*, so. 😐).
We now know that their first husbands weren’t shit, but also that their proceeding love interests treated women poorly as well. That being said, the most basic level of white feminism has, since their deaths, made them into martyrs of their own internalized misogyny-talking about how icons of womanhood are still just people, and still as likely to pick men who make them feel safe materially, if not emotionally or personally.
Those women were the tragedies, but people like Jeff Bezo’s ex are celebrated(ish). I mean, there’s an entire (very white and wealthy) network TV show about how “the Good Wife” does and doesn’t fit into her role. We want to see wealthy, liberal white women leave while the gettin’s good, and don’t want them to look back.
We simply don’t have that narrative for other types of women, even other white women. Honestly, the first non-Black woman I thought of that might qualify was Dolly Parton. She wasn’t married to the man, but Porter Wagoner still treated her poorly, and yet she still speaks kindly of him and even wrote “I Will Always Love You” for him. We love Dolly, in part, because she’s so incredibly kind and classy when she doesn’t need to be, but she’s also a poor country girl from the South, who was vehemently rejected by the same second wave feminists who y’all were talking about earlier. Let alone the conservative women that liberals just don’t really care about in this way, because they have bad politics, or are just simply not very glamorous, like Melania Trump or Pat Nixon (tricky Dick’s wife), respectively. Just because we think it’d be better for them if they left doesn’t mean it would be. If you’ve read this far you may as well look up Martha Mitchell. She’s an honestly shocking example of what can go wrong when a conservative woman gets out of line.
Because, ultimately, I think reclaiming individual women, especially individual women who have been dead for over thirty years, is fairly easy, low-hanging feminist fruit. And it’s the sort of thing that’s reserved for only the most digestible of women (poor Martha was SOL for almost 50 years before people started to rehab her). All we have to look at to see evidence of this is the reaction against Britney Spears, the real human, after the success of the #freebritney movement. This white, wealthy, *traumatized*, *disabled* woman was suddenly “doing too much” or whatever. Pair this with the fact that more rigorous forms of feminism aren’t particularly interested in this kind of thing, it makes sense that someone would really mostly think of Black women when it comes to “holding a man down,” even if it’s actually pretty typical for women in general, especially in big and little ‘c’ conservative leaning groups.
Great comment. This is why I'm glad women aren't rushing into marriage. We are all able to see the difference because we know most men won't readily admit it
I spit out my wine when Eddie said "he's having a flare up" in reference to Ye's rant 😂
This was lit!! I think the Coretta Scott/Obama remarks are the types of delusions of grandeur that comes with narcissistic traits. This was in the middle of a raving, ranting lecture towards her because she got drunk. He wants a woman thats gonna stand aside, be respectable, but still let him do what he wants. Alvin you got it. Him referencing Coretta Scott King makes me feel like he wants a woman who will be good at being in his shadow. It's a demand for more submissive behavior to me
Agreed
Do understand the the context behind the remarks?
@@BlazingUnicorn the context doesn’t make much sense because was asking for her to be completely subservient to him and yet picks two people one of whom probably isn’t and the other was widowed because her husband was assassinated so we never got to see how that relationship would have played out with all the infidelity of MLK
stop looking for "narcissistic traits" in abusers please and fucking thank you
@@c17sam90 I disagree 100% because clearly you didn't get the context at all. He wasn't asking her to be subservient, he was asking her to stop presenting herself in a reckless behavior by coming home drunk and belligerent, and apparently he had a coworker there. He even states that he wouldn't mind her being drunk AT HOME WHERE HE'D KNOW SHE'S SAFE. It's about the image they're upholding and the plan they worked out together. Maybe you should go listen to the recording again, and actually listen to everything he said, not just what people want you to listen to cause that's all they're hung up on.
Simp is another AAVE word people think is new or gen z slang. Even "woke" too. There's so many.
Great conversation. For what it's worth, I'd totally listen to y'all three talk about film for hours
Alvin's sincere delivery of "How do you navigate that, as the Budden?" 😂
Not the Charlie Brown tree😂😂😂Education with humor. I’m just glad I finally got to put my wife (Asian/English comparative studies PhD) onto a smart podcast. I got some “cool points” for those alive in the 80’a and 90’s😂
Appreciate the shout out of my channel at the beginning
I appreciate how Alvin been chilling out with that back pack in the background like he's about to go to work after the show. 😁
The chemistry is impeccable.
Having been in an emotionally abusive relationship with a woman, this case has been really difficult for me to parse. I recognise that there's good evidence of his abuse. But it does occur to me that in my own relationship basically all of the abuse was verbal. Like there's veeery little evidence of what she did to me just because it was all verbal. The few times we got into an argument I tended to get heated and I did shout a few times. I think the neighbours may have heard. So in a similar situation I know which side people would have fallen in my case. But even so I can't unsee his obviously manipulative and controlling behaviour.
There's actually little to no evidence of his abuse, as those texts were from 2022. Grace already testified he never touched her prior to March 2023. Him, in that voice recording, calling her out for her reckless drunk behavior is also not abusive especially when you've both come to an agreement within the relationship to uphold a clean, positive image. He even stating he would've been fine with her being drunk in the house where he knows she's safe. All in all, there's no evidence of him being abusive which is why he was found not guilty for the charges that would've indicated he was abusive. Instead, he was found guilty for essentially "accidentally hurting her while defending himself and trying to get away from her."
@@savonlofton eh... this feels like some mental gymnastics. whatever she might have done, his texts and that voice message don't look good unless you are normalizing some pretty unhealthy relationship behavior. also: if you really believe the only form of violence or abuse on his part to ever occur was what happened in public you don't know much about relationships. if someone does something like this in public they have done fucked up shit in private. not saying she's an angel but there's an obvious power dynamic and at the very least he comes of as an arrogant narcissist none of us should care about.
edit: also, someone claiming in court that their partner didn't harm them before an undeniable incident is like domestic abuse 101.
@@savonlofton The September 2022 (or any incident of prior abuse) was barred from being mentioned by the judge, she didn't testify about the incident because she wasn't supposed to, it was only because his lawyer so heavily implied she is an untrustworthy liar that the judge allowed the heavily redacted texts to be shown, and again, they were heavily redacted because the prior abuse wasn't allowed to be involved in the case, this is from People:
The details of that September 2022 incident were not further detailed for the jury, as that earlier incident is still otherwise precluded from coming into trial.
However, in the 115-page filing reviewed by PEOPLE, prosecutors listed a series of texts by Jabbari in September 2022 - only some of which were shared with the jury Friday - and which included, per prosecutors: photographs of a hand, shoulder and buttocks, along with texts about “punching,” “discussing pain,” and, as shared with the jury Friday, on September 22, 2022 a “text with JM,” using Majors’s initials “re medical treatment.”
So the full context of the texts would have likely made him look much, much worse
@@R_A120exactly. Someone said it right earlier: this whole text thread is mostly wholly ignorant or in denial about how abusers operate. How the people around them often operate; facilitate the abuse; excuse it; help gaslight victims. Look for "perfect victims" and project what victim behavior "should look like". It's just tired. And still a massive part of the problem.
Personally, I blame Marvel and the toxic workplace culture fermenting in Hollywoo. They met during Ant-Man while the lockdown was on going. I watch Quantumania as a guilty pleasure, and there was something "off" with Kang's angry Dragonball shockwaves. Dude was sidestepping and flexing, and it looked great, but with more context... I can see how a toxic relationship flourished between him and his choreographer.
I can understand that he has a mixed daughter, and is a weird paranoid actor-dad, but I don't think he should have shown up to the courthouse like the villain for Zoolander 3. I don't think you hire weird attorneys to bad mouth your ex. Y'all go to AA and go for a plea deal, like normal people.
But I can't help but note how the Marvel/Disney big new actor blew up in their face. Paying $2mil for a movie that'll be dumped onto Tubi. They wanted another Chadwick Boseman. They wanted the "bad guy" to be a "great hollywooer." They got a weird method actor. Typical entertainment industry shenanigans😅
Glad to see them putting respect on John Oliver's name.
Complete side note to the entire topic of the video but at 34:44, y'all don't need to worry about the love languages. Your love languages are safe. The problem with the five love languages thing is that the framework says those are the *only* love languages. If you vibe with some combination of those five love languages, nobody's gonna come for you. It's just an incomplete typography.
Why do we care about either of them? And why has it turned into one person has to be wrong… when in all likelihood they’re probably both wrong and the actual truth will never be found out because we’re just getting edited facts from both sides.
Also all of this shit just makes black (men in this case) ppl look bad and back why we need to be policed.
What Eddie was referring to w/ the kanye performance w/ the crew in all black and the flamethrowers was the 2015 'All Day' performance at the Brit Awards, with a crew behind him of various British rap legends behind him. It wasn't in paris
@fdsignifier I was weak when I first saw that video of him running from her! He was full on sprinting and she was skipping. The resident evil comparison was spot on, I used to crack up when I played nemesis and be scared too
Keeping it 💯 in relation to his job at Marvel. Pretty fucked up they are tryna replace him now, when Josh Brolin, a known abuser, was the previous big bad of the MCU.
John David Washington = Denzel Washington + Michael Cera is the wildest thing said on this episode.
17:16 That’s some irresponsible shit to say publicly. If there is violence in your relationship there is NO LOVE! Love is not violent. Healthy Relationships aren’t violent and any excuse saying they can be is irresponsible and harmful.
I just started hearing "bet" couple years ago from friends from the south, was tryin to figure if it was new but then I was hearin it in older pop culture from south, anyway was wondering if it was shorted from"you bet"?
Yall got John Boyega and Yayah Abdul Mateen…
This was a great conversation
The peanuts tree killed me 😂
Neither here nor there but Jonathan majors being aware that their is a audience on the part of the driver and the optics of the situation if he were to respond in (maybe maybe not) a usual fashion to grace battering him in the car is something I think about.
Good conversation - especially liked the part where Alvin talked about his purposeful dating history. I don't think as an adult (mid-20s and up), you should even bother to date people who are not on the same trajectory as you regarding the goals you want to achieve in life. They should have similar goals and ambitions as well as working towards achieving them. It's so important to think about those things when choosing a partner. Also, love Trevante Rhodes. Wish I saw him in more movies. I agree with Eddy that he was so good in the Mike Tyson movie.
Great conversation and unpacking the issue gentlemen 👏🏾👍🏾👏🏾✔️.
Honestly, the text messages and phone calls were the worst part. I think it's weird that she chased him down the street, but man - he wasn't the nice guy everyone seems to want to paint him as. Really disappointed.
EDIT: also, the llama sweater is fire
Those texts was from an incident from last year. She already testified that he never put his hands on her before March 2023. That voice recording was from a time she came home drunk while, apparently, he had a 'Loki' coworker over. She was embarrassingly drunk, which gave them a certain image. If you and your partner have devised a plan to uphold a certain image as it will give you both better opportunities and they continued showing themselves in a negative light, you'd be a little annoyed, if not pissed, yourself. Neither make him look like a bad guy, just a guy fed up with saying the same thing over and over again. Her trying to sound like a victim in that recording is disgusting honestly, considering in court, multiple professionals have concluded that she abuses the bottle just based on the signs and evidence of these events and details given by the defense.
@@savonlofton here's the thing, she was who she was when they meant. If he sees she has characteristics that are not what he's looking for in a partner he needs to exit the relationship and not try to browbeat her into becoming someone else. It's still scummy to try to control someone into becoming who you want instead of just seeking out a person that already has those qualities
@@fangal12 also would someone with the mindset he has kinda displayed allow her to ask him to change aspects of his life for her? No level headed person say “Let me just lay it out for you, right? If I am, I’m just gonna say this. My temper, my shit, all that. All that said, right? And let’s say, I’m a great man. A great man. I am doing great things, not just for me, but for my, for my culture and the world. That is actually the position I’m in. That’s real. I’m not being a dick about it. I didn’t ask for it. I’ve worked, and that’s the situation. The woman that supports me - that I support, the work that - needs to be a great woman and make sacrifices the way that man is making for her and for them ultimately. Last night, two nights ago, you did not do that.” That’s not how a sane person thinks if he is unhappy with his girlfriend he can leave and say this isn’t working for me. Instead he’s demeaning to her and acts like she is lesser than him.
@@fangal12 and just, the narcissistic rhetoric bothers me "I'm a great man and I need a great woman". Then, dude, LEAVE, don't verbally abuse your partner like that. I dunno, not a great look.
It’s really interesting how people are using the “he met her like this” angle to find a way to blame him no matter what. Was it stated in court that when he met her, she was f’d up on alcohol & sleeping pills in public and he made the decision then and there in those circumstances that he wanted a relationship with her? Because usually, people try to put their best foot forward in the beginning of relationships. First impressions and all that. It’s usually later in the relationship when the ugly sides start coming out.
1:05:02 Its absurd because he's looking for Revolutionary Black Love ™️ with a white woman.
I'm currently dating a white man and I dont expect that from him because he can't DO THAT.
As a survivor of inter-partner abuse in a heterosexual relationship with someone who probably has a cluster B personality disorder, here's my take on Majors' on-going Coretta Scott King references:
The key here is him casting himself as a "great man" and then citing "great women" as ones who are well known for being supportive wives, rather than a more Power Couple dynamic like Posh/Becks or Bill/Hilary or Bill/Melinda, (NOT that I don't think Martin and Coretta were a Power Couple, I absolutely do, I just don't think *Majors* sees Coretta that way, based on how he keeps referencing her as an ideal *partner*, not as a person to be aspired to in her own right, which, again, she very much is.)
So in this (note, explicitly abusive!) dynamic Majors is trying to set up with Jabbari, in the context of Jabbari being expected to cover up physical abuse at her own expense to protect Majors' career or emotional well-being (the suicide threats), her sacrifices for a "great man" *justifies* her as being a "great woman". Because a "great *woman*", in Majors' view, supports her man *even at the expense of her own health and safety*. This is cult indoctrination thinking: Abusive high-control groups use this same tactic, but substitute the "god" or "prophet" for the "great man" and in Jabbari's place is the devoted, committed follower who will sacrifice for the cult, give all their money, resource, and time to the cult, provide their children to the cult, and on, and on.
tl:dr: FD is totally right that the Coretta reference is alluding to an abusive dynamic, as I see it.
Also the white woman partner who sacrificed, supported, and was crucial to the success of her husband, a "great man", that you were failing to think of is Eleanor Roosevelt.
Loved the conversation about race angst. As someone who got the Oreo label a lot especially growing up, there is this uncomfortable validation (?) you get from white people when they embrace the parts of you Black folks have often not embraced as much. Simultaneously, at least for me, that validation didn't make me exempt from racism nor did it make the white people around me more fully aware of my Black experience. They still didn't get that shit. Maybe those experiences ( plus I'm a woman so there's that) are why I didn't fall into Black conservatism and "race angst." Great video!
🤦🏾♀️My saint of mother ❤ bought me rollerblades. 👀Those kids ate my ass up at school…until I went to high school. 😂
Janel Monet talks about her Blackgirl experience in her songs. She says that even though her feelings were hurt, she already knew she was dope. That’s kinda what my early years were like. 💅🏾
This majors situation is a whole a$$ mess and the text messages didn't help.
We need a full vid on that racial alienation that occurs when people get, for lack of a better phrase, "roasted out of the Culture" at a young age and become a Donald Glover or Candace Owens etc.
Woah woah woah. Donald Glover and Candance Owens should not be in the same sentence.
@@TheSkaOreo why not? He jokes about ejaculating to a white woman calling him a Nigg... with a hard "R".
The preview comment by Alvin on false accusations being a minority = why you guys are far superior to certain drakes online, who just sound like a stealthy F&F, even though some dudes claim to hate them lol 😂
What's the ratio on false allegations alleged on black men by white women? That's the context that needs adding.
Yo when eddie said " i need to hide my hairline" i fell out🤣
1:33:29 So, what's wrong with Lakeith Stanfield? I thought he crushed it in the Haunted Mansion movie, of all things, but also Sorry To Bother You.
And like, have you seen Blindspotting? Not everyone who's great at acting gets that bump to leading man, even if they're in great movies.
Laurence Fishburne may be old but I'd love to see him really take the helm as a Sherlock Holmes type. Poirot but like, 75% less Belgian.
75% less Belgian?! That's good
Yassss you definitely killed it with the 75% less Belgian part. That's a bar LOL.
John Boyega still here! 😂
And Daniel Kaluuya. However maybe they are both too British
Yahya Abdul Mateen too
We miss Josh 😩
But Uncle FD makes an incredible substitute. We love to see the Sages of Contemporary Nigga Philosophy talk that shit. I'm excited to see more of these channels collaborate in the future.
The fact that Brad Pitt can beat his entire family and be good in society and three black feminist come up here to debate whether or not they should focus on Jonathan Majors as a black man or side with his unmelanated queen is crazy. Not to the point where we can say "one side appears to know how to stand together" but rather, if "two things can be true" regarding a person having a racial experience while still being an abuser, then which thing is more important to spend an hour and a half to talk about?
also yall should definitely read Dr Carnes book called the Betrayal Bond which is very supported. essentially when there is terror in a relationship that also features frequent abuse...these two...like gabby and brian.....were in a trauma bond
He was abusive. He literally killed her.
The nuance of thr verdict is so important to highlight.
Sterling K Brown, Daniel Kaluuya
FD brought up the Brad Pitt situation. There is merit to looking at this.That man should be doing time for what he did and I think he gets away with it because number 1 he' s white and number 2 has more clout.
Does anyone remember “steez?“. Style with ease. Feels like that walked so “rizz” could run
Finna bouta had me weak
I used to think the green background on FD's videos was some kind of filter, but like his house is actually green
They aren't quite Majors, but we still have Daniel Kayuula and John Boyega. Gotta see more but just another actor that could be really good is RJ Cyler.
1:33:18 Michael Colter currently plays a Catholic priest in a show called _Evil._ The first season was so good, that when there were rumors that Disney might revive _Luke Cage_ and other Netflix marvel shows, I prayed that it wouldn't pan out because I didn't want Colter to leave his new show. That said, the 2nd and 3rd season have been underwhelming. They don't have the punch and seriousness that the first season have. I recently watched _The Good Wife_ for the first time, as well as its spinoff _The Good Fight,_ I'm starting to think that Robert and Michelle King are not good at continuing or finishing a show. They lose their steam pretty fast. This makes me worried about their upcoming new CBS series, Elsbeth, which is a 2nd _Good WIfe_ spinoff, because I love that character based on the trailer it looks really fun.
Depp v Heard was reactive abuse though. Mutual abuse doesn’t exist and domestic violence experts constantly remind us of so. What happens is reactive abuse, in which the victim hits back and defends themselves from their abuser.
Johnny Depp has a long history of being abusive to not only romantic partners, but also to crew members, bodyguards and so on. In 2022 he was sued by a crew member he assaulted but it was settled out of court. In the UK he was found guilty of 12 out of 14 instances of abuse against Amber Heard up to a civil standard. You need to investigate the case more because framing it as mutual abuse makes myth and victim blaming prevail and is quite harmful.
TL;DR: Mutual abuse doesn’t exist. Reactive abuse does.
Loved this convo, thank you for articulating this perspective so well.
Can we still stan Yahya Abdul Mateen III and Winston Duke?
“my dating profile is the Forbes 40 under 40” come on man!!!
That was a good line
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He said “Put MBJ in that shit, and I don’t even like him as an actor either” 😂😂 I also agree as a black woman that I be ROOTING for these black men that become leads in these top movies only for this ish to happen smh it really goes to show that separating the person from the artist is difficult. Some people can’t and thus cancel culture evolves for that person and then for other they don’t care what you do in your personal life, they are going to support whatever art you create (Kanye West for example). Either way I think Jonathan Majors will be able to come back from this, just not sure if white spaces will welcome him. He’s gonna have to get back into his black bag…literally 😂
The convo do need to be serious but low key Im glad FD brought up how that New York Tape looked like some Resident evil ass footage with how them cameras kept swapping to keep majors in frame and her walking behind him in chase
As far as black actors, inthink we arent giving enough credit and we are looking for the 1 "it" guy when i think we have plenty of good to great actors
I definitely thought this was tay zonday without glasses. Good video
The only one I can think of is Eleanor Roosevelt. She was very instrumental in FDR’s presidency. But that’s it
im glad that eddy didn't down play her abuse. only and an abusive and entitled person would think they have a right to take your partners phone.
if JM was the one that took his partners phone wouldn't let her leave the car then chased her 8 blocks no one would call him a victim because she unintentionally hurt him while trying to get away.
There's a difference between trying to convince your partner not to go to the hospital and the other taking your phone, also doesn't disprove the statistical likelihood that was someone fighting back against their abuse sure point it out but it's not a justification.
Coretta Scott Signifier is hilarious 😂😂
4:00 American culture (as a worthwhile export) has been Black culture since the 60s
A 2hr Jawn? Shit let me get comfortable before we get started.
FD got some long ass nails 😂
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The word Bet was used on an episode of Sanford and Son.
Eddy’s faces throughout this episode were so funny to me
I need an apology from FD for not telling me about these podcasts.
He was not trying to make that white woman a black woman. Y'all wild on that take.
@@jerryjessup9192And honestly was Jonathan wrong about that shit even if the comparison was ineloquent? He's THE black actor in Marvel actively being pushed to hold up an entire saga on his skill/image alone. They weren't betting their shit on _Anthony Mackie_ or _Don Cheadle_ and not even Sam Jackson. All three of *them* had their characters bastardized by these recent Marvel stories so JM had to hold this shit down as Kang because Chadwick Boseman (R.I.P) is no longer T'Challa and Marvel decided to fetishize the mourning process and cast a child to play his son (so Chadwick post-humously plays into the absent father stereotype).
Maybe the era of the leading man in Hollywood is over. Even red carpets and award shows are losing their luster. Chadwick was our last hope.
y’all not gon mention John Boyega?
40:31 @Alvin, maybe I wanted the wool over my eyes it’s less engaging if you break down what’s gonna happen 😂
Daniel Kaluuya and Brian Tyree Henry are the best young black actors today. Sad y’all didn’t mention him
Thank u for this guys. "Old Head Emaritus" 😂😂
For an answer to white woman holding it down for their man I can think of FDR wife when he contracted Polio. She took up a lot of responsibilities that he couldn't anymore.
Mike Colter was amazing in PLANE this year
“STARS” 😂
12:36 The performance with the flamethrower and 50 dudes on stage in all black is Kanye's All Day performance for the BRIT Awards in 2015
I know this wasn't actually important to the conversation but... All Day is the song y'all are thinking of @ 12:54
Damn yall really cooked Denzels kid.... Now that I think about it he does feel like the same actor in everything he's in. Ballers just seemed to be written for him.
Johnathan Majors, Lakeith Stanfield, Donald Glover, Daniel Khulua..... These are probably the best doing it right now...
Chadwick Boseman RIP
Miss Chadwick. You just brought the pain back but yes ...he was so good
I knew someone who worked for a radio station and they said Kanye would just yell at people, they did not like him and it was when he was in his critically acclaimed era before there was any bad news about him.
i fucking hate how much i laughed at the resident evil comparison and it cut to the cameras, that's fucked up.
He should've said Ginni Thomas😭🤣😆
Part of the death of the black leading man is the death of the movie star generally as a force in media. Patrick H Willems has a whole video essay on it, but tl;dr the movie industry has shifted to a small number of conglomerates focusing on capital-heavy strategies, meaning acquiring and milking properties rather than developing and paying actors. The whole point of a Batman movie is Batman, not so much the actor. The old-school non-franchise movies aren't getting the marketing pushes they used to, so the average person has lost the habit of watching them. Then you add streaming bubbles into the mix. Point being, in a world where even white actors are having a tough time setting themselves up for a career, black actors are gonna get dropped the hardest.
"Luke Cage is the Eric Adams of Superheroes."
27:38 someone needs to edit that footage with the old RE music and sound effects. FD is hilarious for pointing that out 😂