Affordable Dirt Biking ... The China Bike Options...Kayo, SSR, GPX, Orion, EGL
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- in this video series I will discuss Dirt Biking on a budget. This video is part one and I focus on the China Bike Option.
My Channel is about the Orion RXB 250 Chinese Dirt Bike ... Including Riding Motocross, Trail Riding, Supercross , Maintenance and Mods.
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Bought a GPX300FSE and couldn’t be happier. It’s the bike Honda should be making! It is better in every way when compared to the trail bikes that are currently being sold by the Japanese. It is not a race bike, but I am every bit as fast on it as my KTM. My 2c
My current setup is essentially a MX version of that setup. ( Kayo K6-R With 300cc kit and Showa Suspension)..Good stuff
Ive bought several used china bikes for under $1k and most of the time people that buy them dont really maintain them and let them sit and the carbs get clogged. after a little bit of time and effort you can get a decent trail bike that you can beat on without a huge investment. I find that the air cooled 125cc and 250cc engines are the most reliable and low maintenance.
I really appreciate how you arr telling ppl. What needs to be done to any dirt bike when first purchased no matter used are brand new. Exactly the type of info im going to give when I get Mine soon. Have a good ❤the videos keep them coming.
I test rode the new RXB190L the other day and it seems like an awesome bike. DOT legal and lots of power. For the price it seems hard to beat. I think I am going to try one. I currently have a 2014 Honda CRF125F. The later built Honda's are great, they always are but the newer don't seem well built as the older models. They have all gotten a bit cheaper built.
I’m with you these new bike prices are getting ridiculous and they’ve taken used bike prices with them my son’s kdx got stolen last week so I’ve been looking for a replacement we’re probably be getting some ssr’s
That's true about Chinese bikes and Japanese bikes parts can be bad from the factory and can be bad as well as not tightened up things happen and you go over them just as much as a China bike I agree with this video 100%
Thanks Bro !!
I own 3 of these , 2 are The 2020 RXB250 1 Is the 2020 RXB150 All of them are fun as F and run perfect I had to jet my 250 & my youngest son's 150 to get them perfect... All in all these things are all we need!!! Be safe and enjoy
Would you still recommend the rib 150?
@@BigDirtDawg absolutely! its an absolute blast to ride.... never had any issues with it
@@MrMattiezaya2 you got it from orion Motorsport correct? Thanks for quick response
yes orion powersports, it was a seamless purchase everything went as well as it should have
did you end up buying one? if so how well are you enjoying it?
Im really considering getting a Orion RXB 250. Im 53 years old and i dont ride like i did 30 yrs. ago. (lol). Im just looking for a bike that i can trail ride and do some wheelies on and to spend that kind of money on s Japan bike just is not justifiable. Thanks for doing all the research and sharing it with us. Keep up the great videos!
Thanks..and Thanks for being part of the conversation....I hope you enjoy, whatever bike you decide on.
I'm 60 a 450 is not fun in the woods anymore
CONSIDER THE TRAILMASTER BRAND AT 161 POWER SPORTS IN GRAND PRAIRIE TX (FT WORTH) ALSO SSR AND GPX BRANDS IF CHOOSEY GET BLINKY BILLET ANODIZED HUBS TRIPLE TREES HAND LEVERS ETC FOR LITTLE TO NOTHING EXTRA
That's crazy that there's almost 9,000 views and 175 likes, so that only $175 people that aren't that smart out of 9,000 not too bad, this guy must work for this junk company to say all companies have problems right up the rip, what they forgot something? You can wait 2 months to get some more of those junk ass handlebar grips that you got with your Chinese bike and good luck getting another framer motor that does not happen with a Honda or the Japanese companies and if it does you're going to get a new bike ASAP that's a joke this video is a joke
I just ordered a Kayo K-2 230. It will be my first "off-road" bike. I'm looking forward to learning a lot and having a blast in the Arizona desert. Thanks again for the video.
Keep an eye on the spokes on that model and don't try to jump on that thing...unfortunately it is a teir below the K6-R models and they are not equipped as well...not to say they are bad...but definitely just a trail bike...if you it as intended you'll really enjoy it.😁👍
I bought a CFMOTO CLX 700 SPORT nearly two years ago, which is Chinese made, and it has been a stellar ride. Part of the problem is that the Chinese options are relatively new and generally speaking, people resist change. I say, bring it on. Competition is what makes an industry thrive. What's more, companies like KTM, Kawasaki, and now Yamaha are all fitting parts to these Chinese bikes. Its becoming one huge conglomeration so get these "cheap Chinese" bikes while they are affordable.
Great video! I recently bought a xpro 125 and got a ton of flack from some people but like you say it is a smart option!
I live in the UK but have a house in Albania. I have a Shineray 250cc dirt bike, which is 2000 USD new. They are popular in Albania, and servicing costs 20 USD. Ideal for running around town and accessing remote beaches. If you are not a bike snob, they are perfect and reliable. Some roads are bad, and i can go 2 up to local towns. I will keep this bike for 5 years costing less than 8 USD a week
Nice 👍
I had a chinese Atomik pit bike 125 cc when i was a teen. Have been riding road bikes most of my riding life (41 now) and currently have a Suzuki GSX-S1000. I have an 8 year old boy who i have just introduced to his first pit bike. I went with t Motoworks MW 90CC. at this stage he still struggles to change the gear stick due to not enough strength in his feet/foot. I literally set it on gear 3 and let him rip. So as far as i am concerned im not spending thousands on a brand name when i am not even sure that he will persevere with the hobby (however he really loves it now). He will soon outgrow the 90 then we can re-assess from there. But there is so many options for chinese bikes here in Australia now. Crossfire, Kay0, Thumpstar, Motoworks, GMX (Rebrand of USA SSR brand). I ended up buying a GMX-150X which is pretty much a SSR SR150 great bike. I am loving it so far. Everything is put together well nothing has come loose etc, i have probably clocked over 6 hours riding so far. Oiled the chain, replaced the stock oil look after it and it should last a while.
Since all the plastic is KTM I ordered it in orange. It came with the orange frame and Black plastic. Beautiful.
Checking everything and making sure everything on a bike has been tightened was the rule of thumb ever since I can remember I'm 35 and my dad taught me that when I was six
Just good maintenance will extend the life of your bike...so many guys no nothing about it...they just hop on and ride.
I have no issues with my MIC bike. I could care less what others think :-)
And you can't forget about Trailmaster, which they have a TM 36 and a TM38, which they have a competition TM36, and it's not bad. They also have other TM models, but the TM36 and 38 are the highest models.
Yep, those bikes did not exist when I made this video.
Looks like a real bike to me. In fact, your bike looks like a Very Cool bike. Thank you for the interesting video.
Thanks..this is an old video..some really Great options have come along since...if intrested check out the Kove MX250, or GPX TSE300L..very top teir bikes at affordable price.
You talk a lot of sense, sir. 👍
I BOUGHT THIS SAME BASIC BIKE IN A 300 CC VERSION CALLED TRAIL MASTER AND I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT , BUT IT HAD WATER IN THE OIL SO CHANGE IT IMMEDIATELY , IT STILL RUNS LIKE SCALDED APE AFTER TINKERING WITH THE CARB. FOR MY OLD TIRED REAR ITS PLENTY OF MOTORCYCLE , 161 POWER SPORTS GRAND PRAIRIE TX .
Reminds me of the EGL Stuff..keep us posted on durability
I think that the Japanese motorcycle dealers have ruined the affordability of the sport. When I was a kid my Dad owned a Yamaha dealership. Standard gross margin was 20% on bikes and 40% on parts. Yamaha did not charge a destination fee (I wonder if they really do now or if this is just another lie told by dealers) and I started uncrating and assembling bikes for my Dad’s store when I was 11 years old. I was very slow and it would take me 2-1/2 hours to uncreate, assemble and test drive a new bike before it was put on the showroom floor - one of our mechanics could do it in 45 minutes or less. Why do the manufacturers even have a MSRP if their dealers won’t sell at that price? I guess that’s why they don’t sell very many bikes anymore.
I have the orion 125cc for my daughter and it rips only problem out of the box was the clutch cable was too loose, i crashed it 2 days later and it still rips and i paid $800 for it new. Shipped to my door in 5 days. These are the best bikes to learn to ride on and learn to work on especially for kids my 10 year can start it in one kick sooo yea id buy another if stock wasnt so bad
This is a good option also 2 strokes are a good affordable option too. Great for trail riding cheap parts and everyone got them
Don't know about you, but here 2 strokes have really gone up in price and are very hard to find.
@@Dirt_Bike_Dave I’m in Southern California, I agree they have gone up because of the virus but you can find a yz 250 2stroke for under 4 grand.
Hey I agree with a lot of what you’re saying I was one of the first guys to get an RBX250 like years ago back when the frames were orange, and it definitely served a purpose it got me back on two wheels after over 20 years , It got my confidence back and allowed me to work body positioning and fine-tuning a lot of things however I found when I took the bike to a real hard-core riding spot like Croom in Florida where there’s sand I was there for about two hours I loading the bike up went home and sold it the power just wasn’t there the technology of that engine is 1958 it was the first overhead cam design of Honda and when you push the bike in deep sand or mud it just won’t do it I bought an SSR 300 and I love it it was a great bike and now I own an SSR 450 and I will tell you yes you do want that extra power there are situations where it is necessary
Yep, I have put it up to 30 Hp now..and lots of suspension work...but from the start I knew it was no MX bike....I still follow you on Facebook and have seen the SSR300 AND 450 stuff you post.
Hey you took it further than I ever did! Hats off to you man that’s cool and it obviously fits your riding style and what you’re riding in
Hey whereabouts do you live I’m in the Carolinas and I have about three or four other guys they have bikes like ours and we’re thinking about doing a shoot out with love to get you involved in it because we’re going to have Chinese 250s and 450s
@@dfast8712 , I live in Durham/Raleigh area...but I go to a track in Raeford/Fayetteville area often.
@@Dirt_Bike_Dave oh wow you’re not that far I’m closer to Charlotte but the guy were going to do the shoot out with with a GPX 450 lives on the Virginia North Carolina border so we’re all not that far away
I’ve got a 2016 Suzuki RMZ250. It’s too much for me on the trails at a slower pace so I’m looking hard at the Orion RXB 250 as a 2nd bike since it’s a air cooled lower hp bike.
Great points in this video!
Japanese bikes used to be looked down on too. Someday the Chinese bikes will be looked at in a better light too.
Keep it up! Would love to see some POV riding vids of you on it in trails.
I have videos of trail riding....look for riding at Devils Ridge...Just click on my avatar..it will take you to my channel page...I show how easy it is to hang with a KDX 220 and a BETA 300.....This bike Orion 250 is really good for that kinda stuff.
@@Dirt_Bike_Dave the kayo look sick, is it better then orion and other chinese brands. It looks very solid
@@klassickingz9094 , This newest Kayo K6/R 250 is a Twin Can motor putting out around 35hp stock ,is lighter than other china bikes also, Good Suspension and tons of Billet Aluminum everywhere ...It is very much a MX Bike...Better than any other China Bike that has Come before it...Check out this review by my Engine Tuner @ Henner Motorsports
czcams.com/video/LQGvpVkLS-E/video.html
It does Crack me up ,real from Japan
What ? You make no sense.
I just bought the X Pro Templar 250 and I’m really surprised with the bike so far, there’s some things I plan on improving but all and all it’s really capable on the trails. Definitely like you said general maintenance is important and I think some people get these bikes and don’t know how to set them up right, they break down because of lack of maintenance and they say the bikes are junk. All motorcycles need maintenance but some people don’t understand the basics. Thanks for making this video. Do you still own your bike?
No not that bike...I now have a GPX 300 2-stroke...super good quality bike.
@@Dirt_Bike_Dave right on! I will need to check your channel out and see if you have a review on that bike 👍
Have a kayo kt250 and would like to see you do something about this bike maybe in the future. Appreciate your vids on these machines. Not a lot out there on CZcams about them yet. I look at them as kind of when Hyanda first came to the US and now look whare they are
They are very good bikes...I skipped over that smaller engine size and got the GPX TSE300L 2- Stroke and make videos of that currently. 😁👍
Chinese bikes are all over mexico. Delivery drivers use them too. $1600 at mexican costco fully loaded and put together.
Yeah, some are not very good...you definitely need to do your research....also they really are not for people who don't know how to work on bikes.
Good looking bike
There is plenty used options that are in good shape. The Honda crf250f is only 5grand are bigger option like the 300l it’s grand brand new some places might be higher but still plenty affordable options to get you into dirt biking.
I bought my daughter a ssr 110dx and it's been great for her.. I even bought her a graphics package to customize it for her. She's had it for about a year an I think I h ave around 6 months to a year before I have to upgrade. So I think I'm going to wait long enough I can skip the 125 an maybe get a 150 or 185 not really sure yet..
Just got a new 21' Kayo K6 EFI, first bike and I had only ever ridden a KLR 650 dual sport once before as referance but I love the bike. I think it was totally worth the 5 gs
Nice
I literally just put a down payment on one 5 days ago at the dealership they're supposed to get it in a few days was wondering how yours was holding up thanks
Anyone know where to get replacement lower linkage bearings?
Im considering the X Pro and the Apollo 250 dirt bikes. For the amount of riding I will do I will not spend the amount of money it takes to get a name brand bike. These Chinese bikes are well worth the money
thank you so mush for the up dates like the old timer of 70s like the real deal right out of the horse mouth ect ect🤓🧐🤠🥳
This video is a couple years old...I have been doing newer ones focusing on individual bikes of better Quality overall.
I bought a 125 coolster for 350$ on fb market. After 150$ of parts it runs great looks great and a new engine is 350 just drops in he'll wheels are 150 for 2 that's with all parts breaks and all. So you break it it's super cheap to replace or upgrade
Hi Dave! Thanks a lot for this great video. You said these bikes come detuned. Is it possible to easily tune it or must one buy stuff? Thank you!
You would have to do stuff depending on the bike you choose or your expectation.
Hows was Your experience with Orion Did you have to pay a liftgate Fee ?
Judging by your sprockets, I bet 2nd, 3rd, and 4th are a blast!!
Good point about buying a headache ask yourself why was it for sale?
does someone have a cross compatibility sheet of parts? For fork springs etc, Front sprocket, etc...
My Facebook group has one in the files tab.... Orion RXB250 Owners Group.. and is a good resource to get questions answered
THEY ARE ALL COPIED FROM JAP BIKES THE QUESTION IS DOUBLE OVERHEAD CAM 450 LETS SAY VS A SINGLE CAM 450 OR TO BE FUEL INJECTED OR NOT TO BE THAT IS THE QUESTION .
Do you know anything about a xpro 250cc and what I can do to upgrade the motor and etc
Contact Joe Henner of Henner Motorsports.. Zongshen performance parts USA...on FaceBook ..he can get you all squared away.
But when you buy a new Japanese or European dirt bike you get to help pay for their mega multi million dollar race teams. They pass that expense on to their customers. Most new bikes are using China sourced parts anyways.
ive had many Chinese stuff and they have lasted a long time and they would break down more quicker but parts are cheeper and the last long for the price I've had a Chinese utv thats lasted me almot 6 years and i only pay a couple thousand and a more expesive one would be 3x the price and last like 1.5X to 2x longer but but you pay like 3x more so i just say some of the Chinese stuff are more worth it than the big name brands
Lots of peps refuse to buy China bikes while texting on there iPhone. Hahaha
So true
Do you do you happen to know what the new Orion rxb 250L is cloned from
No..I moved on to a Kayo 250 K6-R..Joe Henner would be your man on that bike.
Thank you
Orion told me the new one is not a clone of anything.
@@DuckDiggler , That is essentially correct....the engine is same as GPX with a 6 speed...but suspension , frame etc, is different.....they are trying to stand alone with that bike, but they get the bikes from the same plant as GPX.
@@Dirt_Bike_Dave I just ordered the new Orion rxb250l yesterday. Can't wait for it to come in.
What about Trailmaster 250 and 300cc dirtbikes
Have not heard much about them...but they have Zongshen engines that have been proven to be reliable. The major problem with all the off brands...is getting parts....they have gotten much better, but still not Great.....but if you can use the internet and can work on a bike...then there is thousands of dollars to save yourself.
@@Dirt_Bike_Dave
Thanks for the info good looking out and trust me I understand the internet is my best friend it's all worth it trying to save a dollar nowadays
Ive never torn down a brand new bike before and never heard of doing so until recent years. And I've also never had a problem with riding a new bike from the dealer with only following break in procedures and doing normal maintenance like oil and filter changes, air filters, chain lube, spark plugs etc. So are there tutorial videos or step by step printed instructions or something on how to tear down and setup these bikes before you even start the engine? I'm kinda confused and put off because it seems like an extreme amount of complex work for the average buyer to have to do to a brand new bike. Any info appreciated. Thanks.
If looking for a less-complex set-up... here's some good info. czcams.com/video/xKxZmO3sC9M/video.html
Japanese bikes or Austrian for good for racing if your skill level is pro but most guys will be fine on a cheaper china bike. These days every thing you need to know on CZcams
I was about to bite the bullet on the L model until I realized the perfect Honda clone engine has been discontinued and replaced with a mystery brand...on top of a price increase. I just ordered the fuel injected Lifan x-pect for $400 less but I'm a little disappointed because the original engine was what impressed me the most.
Where you buy the bike from?
online at Orion Powersports they are based in Texas
You don't have to justify the Chinese bike. Unless you are serious and need a full on racing MX bike, it comes down to affordability. I think they are bang for buck bikes.
You spent way to much time trying to explain "why" you got one. Unless you ride everyday and race on the weekends these bikes are awesome. I just got the Hawk 250 EFI for S2000. Plenty for what I will ever use it for. Looking at this bike next. Chinese, Yeah, just go over every bolt to make sure everything is tight. Use Loctite and change the oil. Done!
Chinese bikes top out at $2k for me. I can not justify more for a bike that lacks the support for every component like a Japanese bike.
Umm okay then 🤦♂️🤷♂️
Buy a used 2 smoker, i could teach my mom to rebuild the top end
If you could find one for a decent price...and rebuilt it, complete with new bearings and suspension service...well over $5000 in my area...rather have new.
We can't see the rest of the bike!
By design...the other side is dirty 🤣🤣
Everything you said in this video is basically a fact and should be common sense but you can’t tell these clowns nothing. They would rather buy a 20 year old rusty clapped out headache then a brand new 2021 for half the price. Not half the quality either
BINGO
Only 2 strke
You forgot X-Pro
Yeah this video is pretty old and those Xpro bikes were not so good then with cheap rims, crappy carbs and faulty electronics...I hope they have improved. 👍
I have a 2021 X-Pro Titan 125cc... Only thing to go wrong with it was the front master cylinder went bad... other than that no issues
Looks exactly like a ktm lol
Yep, they have a new model coming soon that looks way different. The new boys on the block are the EGL Brand....around the same price they sell the EGL A-16 an even better version of the bike you see in the video. If you want even better than that check out GPX and SSR
@@Dirt_Bike_Dave oh nice
spend more time working on them than riding
The ones I mentioned are pretty damn bulletproof...Kayo, GPX. SSR, Orion are the better ones.
70 % of the parts made for the Japanese and European bikes are made in China ...lmao so why pay more for basically the same thing.
if you replace the peripherals ( cables , chain and sprockets , levers ) the core bike is the same.
Triple clamp not a god damn tree Thank you
seriously dude..a triple tree is the clamps and the stem with nuts and bearings ...a very common terminology in the industry......but haters gonna hate..LOL !!!
Jesus. Calm the commercials down. 4 in the first minute. Don't give me the crap that it is youtube. I know several youtubers. Stop the money farming.
🤣🤣🤣 That is totally CZcams...I just choose place ads...don't waste my time with trying to place them...don't even know how to do that...this is a sketchy production over here.🤷♂️🤦♂️