The Path to Push 3
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- čas přidán 5. 12. 2023
- Take a look at the story of Push so far - from concept, to creation, to interpretation - and see how a global community of music makers turned it into the standalone, upgradeable, and expressive instrument it is today.
See what you can do with Push 3: www.ableton.com/push/
Check out the Upgrade Kit: www.ableton.com/en/push/upgra...
Thanks to all of the talented artists who have made Push their instrument of choice, and those who contributed to this video. In order of appearance:
Sakura Tsuruta: • Sakura Tsuruta Push 2 ...
B Maul: • BMaul Push 2 Performance
Decap: / @decapmusic
Clockwerk: • Clockwerk Push 2 Perfo...
DJ Step1: • DJ Step1 Push 2 Perfor...
Snakes of Russia: / @snakesofrussia
Tec Beatz: • TecBeatz Push 2 Perfor...
Swarm Intelligence: • Swarm Intelligence Pus...
Jnthn Stein: / @jnthnstein
J. Brid: / @jbrid
TV Heads: / @tvheads8456
Timbaland: / @timbaland
Stro Elliot: / @stroelliot
Shima: / @shimamusic5395
Rick Feds: / @rickfeds
Tom Cosm: / @tomcosmnz
De Laurentis: / @delaurentismusic
Rachel K Collier: / @rachelkcollierrkc
John Type: / johntype
L Dre: / @ldrethegiant
edIT: / @editbeats
Taetro: / @taetro
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I hope this isn’t the last we see of these behind-the-scenes glimpses of design and engineering at Ableton. As a product designer and musician, this is absolutely fascinating stuff.
The only challenge I’m facing is that I don’t want to deal with plugins ever again. Just for mixing.
Looks good but I have decided to stop buying hardware and software for a while, and work with what I already have.
Great idea. Maybe wait some time, there are bugs to fix and features to implement.
Thank you for sharing your little diary with us. I will buy this as my first push 😊😊
That’s it man! I’m with you. There is amazing hardware out there, no doubt. But we gotta take a step back and just enjoy the joy of making music and stop chasing new stuff!
@@emanuelbsilva88 Software is a but of a pain to be honest, I'm currently transferring all My plugins to a new laptop, and just doing the Free Native instruments ones took 3 hours, and made Reason 12 crash 4 times already, not good. Reason never crash for Me so to have it happen 4 times in a row is a Alarm bell, but perhaps that happend because I didn't restart the laptop after installing the plugins.
I’ve still got the push 2 which I’m only now getting around to using 10 months later
a very cool behind-the-scenes video! thanks!
Behind the scenes stuff is very awesome, makes it feel more grounded, keep it up.
Playing a piano solo on a pad matrix is just another level of talent.
Love design breakdowns like this!
Sooo cool to see the progression of thinking behind the design and behind the scenes at Ableton. Push 3 is epic 🎉
Great video. It's crazy that there was a working prototype in 2020. A lot of love and care (and complexity) went in to making this something we could use and I'm thankful for it.
Great mini documentary! It was wonderful to hear some of the process from the engineers, see all the ways that Push has been used in the world, and finish it off with a banger. Well done! Please more of this. I need more Push inspiration to get better - I'm still so intimidated by this powerful rectangle
This is great! Would love to also see more behind the scenes of what goes into the development of Ableton Live!
People sitting at computers writting and testing code they are asked to work on by the head of software development.
I love my P3S, it’s so liberating to bring the instrument to a show and just plug in and go!
Thanks for the insights, very interesting 😊
Thank you for the psytrance outro.
Hey there people from Ableton, let me tell you my story. I’ve just recently switched from maschine mk3, to Ableton 11 and push 3. Only thing I don’t like about the workflow is how slow it is to browse sounds in push 3 compared to the NI ecosystem… with the new Ableton 12 browsing update, I hope it get’s mirrored in Push 3 so categories make it easier to find what we look for in order to keep the flow in our music making journey. Other than that, loving everything about it. Hope you listen to your customers. Greetings from Mexico City
best comment. I said the same and people got angry LOL
do you miss mk3? How do you like Push 3 so far?
I much appreciate the efforts Ableton crew has made to create such a powerful device, which basically has no alternatives on the market right now, but you really needed to work on it for one more year or so. So many software and hardware problems with it that a lot of people won't justify the price and be able to understand how awesome it is.
such as?
I am very interested in this to go with Live Suite...but I'm scared away by all the problems people have reported. I'm waiting for consistent improvement before I think about pulling the trigger.
@@isocarboxazid Me as well. I've bought Push 3 Standalone, really liked it in the standalone mode (not so much as a controller though, just not my thing, it makes everything slower in comparison to good old mouse and keyboard) and returned it due to array of QC/design issues on my specific unit, I'm not even talking about other people stories over the intenet. So yeah I love the standalone mode, but I will wait for another year or so.
Are you serious, NO alterbatives????
Ever heard about the Akai MPC X, it was able to do this in 2017 and more, now with their latest MPC X SE, they made a push 3 look plain silly.
The MPC series have alwats been standalone instruments, especially the X series.
Not some flimsy small screen but a full 10.1" touch screen and complete control over onboard instruments, plugins and samples + it has always been an interface.
I love this thing so much. The exact reasony why I didn't invest into Push 1 or 2 was the fact that it still needed to be near a computer to be useful. I just thought I'm quicker with mouse and a regular midi controller. But now? The game has changed. I bought the very first Push 3 that came into Czech Republic. Now it's a groovebox, idea sketcher, killer MPE controller and it turns out also a pretty awesome guitar effect unit. The optimization Ableton has done is crazy. I had some bonkers 30+ devices chains running safely at 64, some even on 32 samples of latency. That's like 2ms. Nothing. I've also played a gig with it (and planing to do some more). And the integration? The fact it remembers MIDI mapping between SA and control modes? The fact you can completlely pre-setup and pre-route your complex gig setup on a PC and then just drop it onto the standalone Live? Can't get enough of this beauty. ...and the replacable internal components are just cherry on the cake. For Ableton users, this is an endgame. A perfect piece of gear I think.
I'm surprised that you're getting less latency out of the Push than a higher end PC with a dedicated interface.
@@siddharths8008 We were blown away as well. Did not expect that. A friend came in with that nasty 30 devices long chain to essentially try to choke the Push 3 SA up. And we pretty much failed to do so.
But on the other hand, it does make sense. These buffers are processed as a DPC interruptions, meaning, the processor attempts to stop whatever it's doing to prepare and hand over the audio in time. But when there's OS, Chrome browser and bunch of other apps running in the background, there's just a limited amount of power the CPU can dedicate to those DPC calls. Also there are other DPC calls from other devices. From your GPU, network card, webcams etc. They get in the way as well. (Especially GPU ones are really nasty.)
By having the CPU solely for Ableton, there's essentially nothing it has to do between the audio DPC calls. (aside from graphics rendering ... and that I think is handled by the non-standalone chips anyway). So that's why it's able to run on such a low buffer sizes I think. Nevertheless, we were still stunned.
This psy trance in the end - so unexpected and good 😊
yeah was not expecting that, lovely to hear it on one of these vids!
any idea of the artist name/tune name?
Tom Cosm
ah cool sweet, thanks @@adrianstoeger8734
Awesome!!!🌟🌟💯💯
Well done to all involved.
Really cool video, congrats
Finally more insights.
MORE OF THIS!
Thanks for the discount, mine arrived today 🥰😍
Lovely video! I'm still using the Push 1 and I can't wait to upgrade to Push 3.
Awesome 😎😊
this review makes me think of Push3 as the apotheosis of Roger Linn''s vision for the the MPC...in the user manual of the MPC2000 he has a written statement where he describes the intention for his midi sampler player for the user to finally realize its power as a bona fide musical instrument. And the reviewer described this exactly at the end of the video. @05:50 which may seem fundamental today in the 2020s but in 1990/s when everyone was contesting the authenticity and musicality of samples and electronic music in general; that's a radical idea to put forth and spawn an industry of products in pursuit of that vision!
Hey people at Ableton, listen. We love the hardware, but fix the software inside PUSH to a level that can compete with the MPC series.. That's all you will need to dominate the groove box war. Please listen to your customers,
They didn't listen. They're selling an incomplete and below par product at an inflated price. Push 4 will probably be nearer to what it needs to be but at £1.5k Ableton can forget it. 😂
Bruh the push is so much more capable than the mpc
Even better than the product is the minimalism and optimization. Fantastic product.
A brilliant piece of engineering.
The community as you already know want Live Suite Included with Push 3
Yeah the fact that Suite isn't included in a 2000$ purchase is pure insanity
very good Ableton!!!
Needs a whole lot more development but the potential of the Push 3 is there
Fortunately for us they built it to have a long life cycle (and even keep up with hardware advancement).
doesnt mean anything. you cant use it with VSTs because it doesnt take any parameters for the display. its useless in arrangement view. overall a tool for artists who make music that sounds like the ones in the video. Trash
@@RemmyMusic1 Exactly. I was really hoping they would blow us away after all this time, but they doubled-down on being restricted to a closed jam bubble thing...(focusing on Push 3 as an instrument, not a DAW...)........with no shift at all on putting it all together for a finished product. And btw, one would think that they could do a MAX vocal pitch correction....I mean, something ....anything.....for real world artists, songwriters, etc...
@@ChrisPBacon3000 While the current Push 3 definitely needs some arrangement capability (not unlike the Akai Force) you have to ask yourself how realistic it is to expect all the full Ableton Live DAW functionality to be shoehorned into a single hardware box without it becoming an exercise in endless menu diving. Standalone by design means being limited in screen estate and controls/knobs that you have to work with. So Ableton has to make choices here. And like the earlier versions of the Push, I think Ableton made the right choice here to focus on the Session View and instrument play part of using the DAW. Arranging, mixing, and mastering are tasks that typically work better on a computer where you have a big screen for a better overview and where you can use the precision of mouse input.
In the end, it's a delicate balance between adding functions and keeping the experience fun and intuitive to get the Push 3 where it needs to be. But with a few more years of development, they should get there. Personally, I have always reviewed the Push 3 as a Gen 1 product. It's basically Ableton's first entrance into the groovebox market.
@@Drrolfski First person in this thread making some sense!
You have it. Created things. Let's let a Sensitive one into the house❤❤❤
All I needed was to see Timbaland with his hands on it in his own stream and that’s enough 😂👏🏾
Lovely video, great company and milestone product.
Follow actions, Midi mapping, better browser, less bugs AND we will have a happy life.. 😊
Fire!!
I love that Ableton take the time and effort to make content like this 🙌
Me too! But they also have to invest in Ableton Support, that's really terrible
Totally. Imagine if they put that time and effort into improving the Push 3
4:23 The PCB is glued to some knobs that look exactly like the ones that used to fall off from the Push 2 encoders
Felt like i was at the cinema. I'll try this peice.
Super
Just bought the upgrade kit for my Push 3. Felt trapped being tethered to a PC/laptop.
Arrangement view would seal the deal for me. I always have to go to my computer without it.
Would love an update to allow that big beautiful wheel on the right to actually control things! For instance, when changing scales, this wheel does nothing. Instead, you perplexingly have to use the small knobs above each column.
That large wheel is so fun to turn but I find it rarely controls anything!
Yeah, this seems to be unchanged from Push2, it does feel a bit silly with the Scales menu 😅
what bothers me is that the wheel is not working in all directions. this sucks the most for me.
I love my push 2 and can’t wait to get a 3. But the real question I have to Bridge is: is that wire chair comfy to sit on???
So excited to get going on mine. Unfirtunely it wont boot in standalone since trying to update the firmware a few hours out of the box. Been going back and forth with tech support via email with no solution yet ;(
Great to hear some psytrance in a mainstream product promo!
What's the name of the track in the last few minutes, 6:40 please? Epic!
It's called "Girth". It's by @TomCosmNZ
It was quite unreal to me how much the pads alone improved from Push 2 to Push 3. That alone is worth the upgrade in my opinion. Thanks for your hard work and always innovating, Ableton team!
This is insane 😱
Talking about the price?
'') luv it
Push, play, repeat.
Hi @ableton I would like to change the color when I push a pad or when It’s playing (it’s green for play and red for recording, that makes sense but I really don’t like the green…😅)
Hi there - Thanks for the comment. This function is not something that is built-in. But, there may be a custom user-created script out there on the internet that does this, which you could try - at your own risk! Hope this info helps. Thanks - Ableton
@@Ableton thanks for your reply! every push owner I know don’t like the green 🤢… I hope you will make the option to choose an other color available ❤️
Can you guys do a tutorial for using push 3 to send cv/gate/clock out please. Trying to figure this out and not sure how to set up the software side. Do you have to use the pushs audio interface for this to work or can you just send cv/gate/clock out in controller mode and use your preferred audio interface. Id prefer to do it this way rather than via midi to cv. Thanks
Only thing stopping me now is the price.
I am Push 2 user and love it. When there is 1000€ and more there is so many options where to spend my money that will benefit my music production. Unfortunately Push 3 is too expensive for me and what it does.
Looks sick. Where can I see the full performance with the turntable shown at 6:51 and 7:04? And the guitar at 7:20?
czcams.com/video/wsQnZbkV6ys/video.html
czcams.com/video/Kiac5dg69zM/video.html
All the artists are linked in the video description. I think you are looking for John Type and Taetro.
please make just the knobs + screen as a device controller, ableton twist ?
Please add a chord mode similar to the novation launchpad pro it’s such a great feature.
Every Push 3 producer keys gonna sound like they been using the Animoog jajajaja.
Ableton industrial design unmatched 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Does the user replaceable kit include the CPU/RAM etc. ie. as technology improves and becomes more cost efficient we will see more powerful variants with nm reductions?
The product is good and was a big challenge for sure (and real congratulations for that) but it's also (still?) limiting because it only includes Ableton's tools (instruments and effects): the day Ableton can include 3rd party VSTis and VSTs on the Push 3 then it will be possible to say we can do everything without the computer. Not yet the case, even if we hear it on the video. I'm only hoping it can come on Push 3 OS updates later on and I'm pretty sure that's what you (Ableton) want as much as we (musicians) do... 😉
It will never happen, unless it is a similar deviation like separate plugins for iOS right now.
💜
That’s fantastic! Feel free to reach out.
I was shocked to hear a driving Psytrance (with video) track at the end. Is the Electronic Music scene finally acknowledging we Psytrancers exist?
5:28 White Push is nice.
And the OLED screen? Is that for Push 4??? 🤔😉😎
amaging
Biggest thing missing is tactile encoders and scissor switches for all buttons except the pads.
Pads are perfect.
Please don't touch the pads.
Also please put a finger pad shaped divot in the jog wheels.
Does it work now properly?
great promo video ;) I streamed more than 600+ live improvisations with the push 2 + push 3 so far, thousands of hours of creative work, incredible instrument, my absolute favorite.
CPU optimization please
No way it's coincidence that this was released today, when I'm picking up my Push 3 Standalone! :)
@@evanseesred Good idea! ;)
The path to Push 3......... Is a toll bridge to New Jersey.
Add volume sliders!!! Make it able to add more sliders!
When will it be available in stores and will it be possible to buy Push3 with the upgrade from Live 11 to Live 12?
Ableton only sell directly.
@@ClaidheambmorNot entirely true, I've seen it on ebay a few times.
@olekolecki6313 You can buy Push directly from our web shop: www.ableton.com/en/push/?NjA2NTg2OQ%3D%3D&
It is possible to buy a Push bundle with an upgrade of your current license to Live 11. Please log into your Ableton account to see your options and pricing.
@@zackyzackyzacky1not sold by Ableton or any serious distributor
Push mini please 🙏🏼
Lebanon High School! 🤯
free lifetime updates wooo!
What's going on with the NUC situation?
Any Chance for Christmas Sale für P3 SA? Miss the BF Sale ... Will be great
The Push 3 is a game changer!!
How?
@@LyroLife he is just saying
I'll tell you how, the game used to be one way and now because of the push 3 the game is different. Standalone ... We stand alone......together
@@dennisv1358 the game is changed indeed!
Potentially yes, needs some more cooking though.
does the case have a different coating than push 2? The gummy disintegration has been terrible
It does. The head of hardware guy talked about it in another interview. "Like other hardware companies, we learn and improve as we go. This includes the selection of components, the materials we make our hardware with and aesthetic choices like paint and finish. We evaluate our choices from both durability and sustainability angles. One example is moving to a water-based paint for the coating of Push 3, which ideally lasts longer and has less environmental impact."
Any roadmap for Ableton to support those who want the new Push controller, my Push 2 is old, not a new sound card. I have a much better CPU and audio interface. We just want new buttons and the new layout. Thank you
Push 3 is available without the standalone part (no sound card, battery, CPU)
@@mju135 the audio interface is always included. I would like Push 2, but with all the new buttons and better layout of Push 3. Excluding the audio could lower the price. I’m betting the engineers have some reason the audio had to be included. I will probably end up buying it eventually, anyway. LOL
A really nice pc, a cheap used car, a year supply of coffee? Nah music making device that won’t fit in a backpack🔥💯
With a battery that will last 'up to 2 hours'
The last price drop to 1500€ was a step into the right direction
does it have an arragement mode yet? or the ability do edit 'follow actions'?
No, only session vew. Push 3 don't have song Mode.
Exactly no arrangement mode and no VST support. No great imo.
OK I get that it has endless creative potential, but its clearing missing the most essential feature: why won't it pay my taxes for me?
I'll wait until it's about 600$ on the used market for the controller only because 1000$ is just too much.
It should have less pads and more screen and/or knobs IMHO
How about "The Path to ARA2"?
I literally just bought a push 2 like 2 months ago n now I hear of a 3 😢 kinda sad cuz took me while to pay off ahhhh
Push 3 came out in May
She will be mine. Oh, yes. She will be mine.
Buttons are so small. when I hear a sound, I want to see that sound being played a mile away.
Cool insight. Regrettable psytrance.
I like Live but as an instrument I prefer maschine+
did anyone else see that silver/white push?
Push 2 is still very relevant because not everyone wants to pay extra for a built in audio interface, especially when most people have better audio interfaces. Good to see Rachel K collier in the video.
Push 3 is available without the standalone sound card etc
You could buy a pretty sweet analog synth for the same price as this thing
Nice to know that they are going to fleece us with a "special edition" white/grey one down the line that is already seemingly in production...
Maybe it’s just a custom skin
Right but every hardware brand does limited edition gear, Novation, Akai, Native Instruments, Hercules, Arturia, Roland, So why should Ableton be any different?
@@HOLLASOUNDS Yes but I’ve never seen anything like it from Ableton and there’s a lot of custom skins that you can apply to Push
You know you don’t need to buy it right
"Fleece us", my brother in Christ don't buy it then. Some people are real fun to be around...
still sucks when browsing samples or using VST's. Integrate VST preset libraries and persistent folder browsing and I'll start entertaining the idea of being interested in another big ass unit that's a hassle to lug around.
I wish my push would stop crashing while manipulating samples in stand alone. My pads just stop working and it’s not like an actual crash. How would I report this to yall.
Hi, thanks for reaching out, and sorry to hear about this! To receive help, please get in touch with our Technical Support team along with a Status Report via this link: bit.ly/488F8wR You can find out how to create a Status Report here: bit.ly/48bneK8 Our team is looking forward to assisting you!
I hope there will one day be a version of Push 3 without all the audio interface stuff, without any standalone options; basically an mpe version of Push 2, more affordable than what exists now