Debunk: Is Batman Really BEYOND Spider-Man 2099? (Screw Attack's Death Battle Debunked.)
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- TAF108 debunks Screw Attacks Batman Beyond VS Spider-Man 2099 video, where they determine that Spider-Man 2099 is defeated by Batman Beyond.
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And even then while Miguel isn't experienced doesn't mean he lacks any skill he can still use he speed and agility very well and is an incredible acrobat whilst having things like the athletisism like the original Spider-Man and other abilities like his intelligence to basically make him a formidable opponent for Terry.
Yeah.
Also Miguel fought Maestro who is literally as strong as the Hulk who could destroy a universe with his thunder clap and destroy planets with his fist and Miguel survived that beat down, also Terry can lift 1700 lbs while Miguel can lift 10 tons and Miguel could instantly end the fight by biting Terry and paralyzing him or Miguel could use his claw also.
Wait? So the Batman Beyond suit's top speed is Mach 19? But the Batmobile Beyond according to Bruce can go only upto Mach 3. Is it just me or is this complete bullshit?!
Looks like it's a bullshit.
Is it weird that bruce was also helping Terry during the fight. Isn't that outside help?
@@jkjordon1 tbf, Miguel did get his A.I companion aswell
Thank you, someone finally debunks spider Man 2099 vs batman beyond death battle. And also points out Srew attack's big mistake.
_I'm glad you enjoyed. But I'm thinking about remaking this. Don't like the visuals on it._
I agree with death battle I think batman beyond would mop the floor with spider 2099 and I am a huge spiderman 2099 fan I have looked up feats of my own for both characters and I still think batman beyond stomps him.
@@JTAEKOOK4EVRR No. It's not a stomp, and Spider-Man2099 can win more times than not.
@@alexferrana3979 he really can't sorry
@@alexferrana3979 nope
Miguel's new suit is at least near equal to the future bat suit. Miguel is superior in dexterity, and agility. He is supposed to be at least near the capabilities of spider-man without the sixth sense that spider-man has. Instead miguel has super senses so high bullets move in slow motion to him. If he percieves the threat, then he can often easily react to it. Terry having superior strength, and combat training can't make up the gap enough for a definitive win.
_On par? Miguel's suit has only been damaged once, all of Terry's suits have been damaged at least twice except for maybe the Lord Batman suit because he used it so briefly. They only proved Terry had superior lifting strength and his isn't a who can lift more battle. But yes, almost nothing Terry can do would really turn the tide. But when we redo this video that'll be more clear than here._
I am low balling Miguel's suit. My point is even if you low ball Miguel's suit, it is like a man with combat training versus a man with a bunch of superpowers. Miguel is so physically beyond Terry, that he can't win in a straight up fight. Terry would have to devise a clever trap, and that is almost impossible to do with most versions of Spider-man.
_I'm not into lowballing, it's not really my thing. But I get your point. Screw Attack was all kinds of wrong on this one. But that's hardly a surprise, given their track record. And as mentioned, versions of Miguel have combat training as well. Their reasoning just doesn't hold up._
I think Terry could win with a ton of preparation and fore knowledge of the encounter, but screw attack would never frame it that way. Most versions of Batman are not supposed to be combat focused characters. Batman is mainly a detective. Even Bruce Timm portrayed both Bruce and Terry as more investigative. He is more of a ninja/detective style character. The various versions of Spider-man are more combat oriented characters by design. I would think that by comparing the two character archetypes it would be obvious that most versions of Spider-man can beat most versions of Batman, in a straight up fight. Batman doesn't take full advantage of his abilities in those types of situations, but Spider-man does. Death Battle even said Peter Parker would beat Bruce Wayne. If you want a combat oriented batman, then that is pretty much what Deathstroke is. This is kinda a stupid fight to begin with.
_Well anyone should be able to win if they get a chance to prepare first. Screw Attack is all about the views. They say it's "to answer fights that people have always wondered about", but they only ever do videos on characters that are very popular and would bring in viewers, such as the age old "Spider-Man VS Batman", they're not interested in a fight that would be close or fair, unless said fight would bring in viewers. The fact that they composite with no rhyme or reason is bad enough. I mean, they've had a ton of stomps. Especially on the Spider-Man side (Spider-Man VS Batman, Venom VS Bane, this fight should've been a stomp by Miguel) but it brings in the fans of both, so they make it and then get stuff wrong._
yeah they really are down playing Marvel characters now and raising DC to make the win lose of Marvel and DC fights even
_It would appear so._
No they aren’t downplaying marvel character dude and they ain’t tasing dc to make the win lose of marvel and dc fights even dude
@@firemonger5409 or captain America vs batman captain America is literally one of the best fighters in marvel
@@wallsterrence the same thing with batman
@@yarc9 that's true but cap is above peak human
Why so many dislikes, this debunk was needed. Keep up the good work!
_Well as you can see in the debate in the comments (still gotta get back to that, but I've been really busy lately), not everyone agree's with my conclusion. But thanks. I went in watching the DB with the expectation that Terry would win, but the research was so faulty that I had to make this video which changed my mind._
Terry may be able to move faster but Miguel’s combat speed and reaction tome are far BEYOND him........
No but seriously, combat wise, Miguel should be at least hypersonic, given that he is able to leave afterimages when attacking, his accelerated decoys from purely from his speed, and this is before his upgrade
_I think that much should be obvious. But ScrewAttack is always screwy on travel s combat & reaction._
ScrewAttack's credibility is out the window at this point....
_Amen._
It's been gone since Goku v. Superman
At the latest
Death Battle is trash they mostly never research their stuff and love to heat up debates of who wins who. Not to mention they divide the fans
Me a batman fan.so its kinda u kno
But i accept the reality as it is.
I love ur vids.
Awesome debunking.
Who's man is this😂?
Debunk the Spider-Man vs static cuz I find it debatable
If you don't mind, would you elaborate on that thought because I thought that battle was one sided asf and had a clear winner.
@@cyber0072 1. Some of the info was from the tv show (non-canon)
2. Spider-Man is capable of much more and death battle understund how the venom blast works
3.they based Statics durability off of his healing factor (which doesn't change the fact his body is still human level) which probably drains him of alot of power
4. Lifting strength and striking power are 2 different things like reaction speed and travel speed
@@samwilsoncaptainamerica233 yeah, I actually read a comment where someone said speed is speed and it doesn't matter what the travel is, but that's false because if miles destroys statics ride, how does he keep up with miles speed. Also I'm curious, how exactly does his venom blast work because I don't know too much about it myself.
@@cyber0072
1.Miles' venom blast can cause a person to be knocked out colded (keep in mind he didn't know how to use it when he fought electro) and if it doesn't then the person takes major damage
2. Miles' webshooters are an older model (non electric instead use psi)
3. Statics physical abilities without his electric abilities are human level if he enhances (like the taser punch) that means not much damage stiking power wise
4. Static doesn't have enough hand to hand combat ( Miles was trained by Captain America in the ultimate universe)
Sorry man but Batman beyond or Terry McGinnis strength speed strategy and durability get him the win like damn you all really love to complain like damn sorry marvel fan boy that your mad but I need you to just need to WAKE UO TO REALITY
miguel stomps even without all the teach because he has thors hammer and he could just use it to hit terry with a giant bolt of lighting that desintergrates him the only way i see terry wining is if he activates the kryptonite mode i know it weakens superman but when superman is exposed to kryptonite he dosnt lose all his power he is just weakened and the suit can defeat superman (it was used against ultraman but ultraman scales to superman and the batman beyond comics is a almagulmation of post crisis and the dcau so its a more powerful ultraman) that is the only way he could defeat spiderman 2099 but its unlikely he would even be able to activate it in time anyway
terry hasn't show being able to use mjolnir to thor's extent so it wouldn't do much
I agree that Spiderman-2099 is beyond Batman Beyond lol. DB is such a joke at this point that I only watch it to laugh at how they miscalculate and misrepresent different characters. I knew from the get go that they were underselling Miguel so hard it was starting to physically hurt me to death. I think what really irritated me was them not understanding just how ridiculously overpowered Miguel's upgraded armor was. I'd honestly say aside from travel speed it beats Terry's suit when it's paired with Lyla.
_Definitely. With you 100%. They undersold Miguel's new suit by suggesting Terry could do any damage to it. Terry's suits are all far inferior. The only comparable one would by the Lord Suit, but that one isn't even that great._
Underselling? If anything they undersold terry still. He's taken hits from superman beyond and far greater threats. You marvel fanboys can cry all you want but facts are facts.
The Supreme Duo "No one is fanboying here" that's hilarious. Most of the crap you provided is false and you made up your own numbers. Screw attack was more accurate and I'd rather take their word instead of an asshurt fanboy.
_So in other words, you've got no argument and would rather listen and believe the side you agree with. But sure, _*_I'm_*_ the fanboy. If it's false prove it, lmao. This debate would go better if the points you gave had evidence to back it up and had actual merit. Rather than giving statements and leaving out supporting evidence._
The Supreme Duo Uhhh? You're the one that keeps making statements and provides nothing. Like on here 8:58 you said lila was combat proficient and that the voice actress is cancerous lmao what? Now you're pushing your own agenda which has been seen throughout your videos because what does that have to do with anything xD it's obvious you and the people on here are asshurt. You was all talk and showed nothing. Where is the so proof of 2099s spidey sense? The ringing in his head is his weakness not an advantage you moron. *Everyone in the marvel community knows he has no spidey senses* and the fact that yous using other versions and suits show's how he had no advantage. LMAO get straight nigga
Finally some says the right thing about spider-man 2099
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@@VeranProwlerthestormtrooper you no
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Fuck you too, Jerkass and Asshole!
@@VeranProwlerthestormtrooper fuck You for been a pussy
@@VeranProwlerthestormtrooper what your gonna cry??
I agree 100% this is why i stoped watching death battle.
_I still watch them when there's nothing else in my feed, partially so I can do a response video like this._
The Supreme Duo
Go and like debunk other videos or others on other people. Channels like cartoon fight club im sure others would like to see that.
_Don't worry, there are a lot planned. I have a whole playlist on this channel where we've done other debunks like this._
The Supreme Duo
Ik i saw its really funny sometimes your channel is fun to watch
_Thanks for the sub. Hope you enjoy the incoming debunks._
Um, what makes you think Spiderman 2099 and batman beyond are new? They've been around for a long time.
_Point to a specific time stamp, I have no idea what you're talking about._
The Supreme Duo Spiderman 2099, first appearance: 1992
Batman beyond, first appearance: 1999. Neither of them are new.
_I'm well aware of that. That's why I asked for a time stamp. I don't remember claiming they're new, and it doesn't sound like something I would say. I think that you're probably misinterpreting my words. Hence I need you to point to the moment in the video you're speaking about so I can explain what I meant. I still don't know what remark I made to which you're referring._
The Supreme Duo I'm not misinterpreting you're words. I can't remember what it was involving but the words were "because they're new, this is easy."
_Now that does sound like something I would say, with context. I meant it in a relative sense.They're new for comic book characters, being that they're only 26 & 20 years old respectively. Because they weren't started in the 40's or 60's like their predecessors, finding their feats is relatively easy for comparison because you only have to read a minor amount of solo comics over the last roughly 25 years, as opposed to if I were trying to do the original Batman VS Spider-Man where I would've had to look at comics from the past roughly 75 years (56 for Pete)._
_So no, they're not new compared to say Miles or Duke, but I meant in reference to the originals that they're comparatively new and due to having _*_way_*_ less appearances, they are way easier to locate feats for._
Hey dude, could you please Debunk the latest Death Battle, Carnage VS Lucy?... If you haven't seen it yet then I won't spoil anything.
_I just watched it. I'm considering doing a video on it. Though I think I wanna redo this one first._
Alrighty then!
_After talking about it, definitely gonna do a video on the Carnage deathbattle. Right after I redo this one._
Screw attack has messed up so many fights like the broly vs hulk fight hulk would beat him at max form and even if broly keeps killing hulk he can’t die because of toba
Fax
What's new? Death Battle blatantly lies to let DC characters win and give the odd battle here and there to Marvel so their fanboys have something to argue against this accusation. I mean if we use Death Battle's own logic then Miguel is stronger than Terry.
In Bane Vs Venom they established that Venom must be able to lift around 200 tons in a weakened state well Peter fights Venom all the time. I find it incredible unlikely that Peter would be at 10 or 20 tons while fighting a guy who lifts upwards of 200 tons. It'd be like me fighting and beating The Mountain and remember 200 tons is when Venom is weakened.
and while it was Otto in his body at the time if I recall Miguel actually beat Peter in a fight during Superior Spider-Man so he's around the same strength as Peter. So yeah 10 tons my ass, Miguel is as strong is not stronger than Terry.
Spiderman is way stronger than 10 tons
@@wallsterrence Right? Peter has tons of feats that show him to be way beyond 10 tons. Like pulling down a three story building, lifting a train carriage over his head, scaling to Venom, hell he's fought The Hulk and Juggernaut before.
@@Timewarpiaman yea he survived both of them
@@wallsterrence Plus he survived a beating from Colossus with both his own powers, Juggernaut's powers AND 1/4th of the Phoenix Force.
and I don't care what DB says Miguel and Miles scale to Peter. Hell I take Batgirl Vs Spider-Gwen as proof DB have finally agreed with me on this.
@@Timewarpiaman he even staggered Phoenix colossus
Nice video
Spiderman 2099 doesn't have spider sense
But all the other senses are super tuned to compensate, he can see bullets in slow motion, can hear almost inaudible sounds and sounds a kilometers from him, can feel the smell difference in everyone almost like a dog, he can feel that something's gonna happen although he don't is alerted by that, so he pretty much doesn't need spider sense
I hate when DB does this like in the link vs cloud Battle they left out a ton of shit that cloud can do with materia but they just didn't let him use hardly any so they could say link could counter or block any magic cloud could use against him not only that but they used a composite link which is dumb since cloud has no alternate versions of himself
_That's a far point. ScrewAttack certainly has some unfair practices I want to talk about in the future._
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In his final batsuit, Terry held its own against Justice Lord Superman, DCAU Superman is moon level and Justice Lord is Equal to DCAU Superman.
Is terry moon level in his final suit? No, he’s not, but since Justice Lord Superman doesn’t hold back, Terry trading punches with Justice Lord Superman would put Terry vastly above 100 tons of strength.
pretty good vid
_Thanks._
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Reality Ensures in Death Battle/DBX
Ultimately what usually decides the winner of most fights in Death Battle.
Batman vs. Spiderman demonstrates why being a Badass Normal doesn't really work if your opponent is comprehensively superhuman, can nullify your greatest asset and is just as crafty and clever as you are. Likewise, Black Panther vs. Batman also demonstrates that if your opponent is just as much of a strategic genius and has a Nigh-Invulnerable super suit that you're not prepared for, you'd be in for a losing battle.
Similarly, the Master Chief vs. Doomguy video shows why being what amounts to a Badass Normal One-Man Army doesn't really work if your opponent is comprehensively superhuman, isn't Unskilled, but Strong in comparison to the enemies you fight, has fought much more experienced, skilled and/or tougher enemies, can nullify your greatest asset, and has much more experience in combat.
In a similar vein, Dante wins his match by nullifying Bayonetta's two greatest assets: 1: Quicksilver cancels out Witch Time, and 2: Wicked Weaves are just demons that Dante eats for breakfast.
In Blanka vs. Pikachu, after the two spend some time brawling conventionally, Blanka takes advantage of his superior size and simply grabs Pikachu and bites his head off.
Goku vs. Superman does a lot to deconstruct the idea of a reckless, at times stupid Blood Knight with the destructive power to level everything for miles around. Goku challenges Superman to a fight, to which Superman politely declines. When Goku attacks him anyway, an astounded Superman says "You're Insane!" Their resulting fight goes through repeated Serial Escalation as Goku goes through his Super Saiyan forms, with Superman matching him blow for blow, until the Earth explodes due to the backlash of their most powerful attacks.
The second match ups the ante as Goku decides to haul out his Super Saiyan God form for their rematch. Superman? Decides enough's enough and tanks Goku's God Kamehameha, grabs him by the neck and uses both heat and x-ray vision to disintegrate his brain. In the afterlife, King Kai essentially tells Goku there's no way you can beat a character like Superman, getting the Saiyan to finally stand down.
Using up all your energy in a flashy, powerful attack might look cool, but it'll backfire horribly if your opponent manages to survive it. Ryu, Tifa Lockhart, Ichigo, and Cloud all learned this the hard way. While Naruto also used one, Ichigo was in no shape to survive it.
Red, as a Pokémon trainer, has always relied on his Pokémon to fight, a rule enforced by the rules of Pokémon battling / game mechanics. Tai, however, has been involved in fights before such as when he got into a fist-fight with his friend Matt while in the Digital World. While Tai doesn't have actual fighting training, he's still got more experience and is more willing to use it on Red, quickly disabling him.
The above issue helped secure the win for the Digimon team. Since Charizard relies on Red to come up with a strategy, he's quickly overwhelmed when his trainer can't give him any assistance.
Having a Super Mode is great... unless it only last a few minutes and is tied to external resources. Also, even if it makes you physically invulnerable, if it doesn't protect your mind from being wiped completely by an extremely powerful psychic, it's useless too. Shadow loses to Vegeta and Mewtwo for these two reasons..
Having a Healing Factor is great, but it's useless if it can be heavily taxed. This is what costs Deathstroke, Wolverine, Majin Buu, the Hulk, Vergil, Carnage, and Bane their battles. While Deadpool, Doomsday, and Venom also had healing factors, theirs were measurably stronger than Deathstroke's, the Hulk's, and Bane's, allowing them to overwhelm their opponents.
Scrooge's wooden Cane Fu is utterly useless against Shovel Knight, a knight in very tough metal armour. He bounces on the armored knight three times, failing to deal any damage, and gets a brutal beatdown for his trouble. Scrooge is far more successful once he gets a hold of Shovel Knight's own weapon.
Twilight Sparkle always needs her friends and/or a MacGuffin to overpower her show's villains when it comes to magic. She's denied both here, and when fighting she never has any more strategy than simply teleporting around, shielding herself, and blasting the enemy until it goes away. Combine both and Raven is far more successful against Twilight.
Starscream's Null Ray may disable any electronics it hits, but it's completely useless against completely organic beings like Rainbow Dash. Starscream's combat record is also piss-poor, meaning that he is quickly overwhelmed by the much faster Dashie.
"Leon S. Kennedy vs. Frank West" essentially pits an experienced, highly-trained government agent versus a guy with several improvised weapons but lacks proper training. This is one of the reasons why the former wins.
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Having an opponent who is flat-out immune to (or worse, absorbs) the main element you rely on is a huge disadvantage. It's one reason why Weiss loses to the ice-immune Mitsuru, a reason why Mortal Kombat!Raiden loses to the lightning-absorbing Thor, and also the reason why Ace was at a disadvantage against the fire-eating Natsu.
Dan Hibiki has never canonically won a duel. This is one of the reasons why Hercule wins.
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One of the major reasons behind the outcome of "Smokey Bear vs. McGruff the Crime Dog". McGruff may be a human-sized anthropomorphic bloodhound, but trying to wrestle an 800-pound black bear does not end well for him. His blows are easily shrugged off by Smokey, and when he manages to pin Smokey down, Smokey easily uses his superior strength to turn the situation around and pin him down instead.
As Sweet Tooth found out the hard way, being slightly stronger and more durable than the average human won't protect you from toxic gas and suffocation. Oh, and leaving the safety of your powerful mecha to "personally" kill your opponent, because they talk you into doing it no less, probably isn't a good idea.
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If one of the opponent's strongest attacks capitalizes on a crippling weaknesses and they can hit reliably with it, the one with said weakness is not going to last.
Just because you can disable someone's mind and soul doesn't mean their body will stop cold without some kind of restraint in place. When that body is flying as fast, and is as durable, as Master Roshi's, you do not want to be in its path if you can avoid it. Jiraiya failed to account for that, and that mistake cost him his life.
A reality-warping gauntlet is great...unless it only works in its home universe. Just ask Thanos.
In "Goro vs. Machamp", after the latter defeats the former, Machamp poses for the camera... only to pass out shortly after. Victor or not, Machamp suffered some pretty nasty wounds during the fight, namely burns from Goro's dragon fire (which activated his Guts ability and helped nail a win, but still...) and having his lower-left arm torn off.
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Having an opponent who is flat-out immune to (or worse, absorbs) the main element you rely on is a huge disadvantage. It's one reason why Weiss loses to the ice-immune Mitsuru, Mortal Kombat!Raiden loses to Thor, and also the reason why Ace was at a disadvantage against the fire-eating Natsu.
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Oh boy a Spider-Man fan decides to debunk this video cause he's just like Seth the programmer, a person who can't accept different opinions on character scaling without interfering, only your less popular and more interested in Spider-Man.
1. Firstly the hammer was not forged from the core of a dying star, it was forged inside one so the hammer isn't as heavy as you think. Secondly the hammer was enchanted to let the person lift it only in desperate needs, if your pure of heart, or if that person is worthy enough. Also Terry Mcginnis dodged a point blank laser during the fight with the joker. czcams.com/video/8LikMS5gDDI/video.html. If you don't know lasers are beams made of light and since Terry dodged the point blank laser, he would be faster than light. While Miguel would have an extremely slight speed edge, Terry can keep with him.
2. Batman beyond has harmed enemies that has durability comparable to Terry himself, who can survive being in the middle of a building's destruction without a scratch. czcams.com/video/PDxxO50WxZ4/video.html . Not only does this prove that Terry has superior strength, but also superior durability.
3. Miguel doesn't have a spider sense. In the scene at 6:01- 6:30 Miguel said this " something's wrong with my HEAD! I'm hearing a buzzing noise or--" the key word in that quote is HEARING meaning that Miguel is picking up sound waves with his sense of hearing, not an actual spider sense. Also just because you can see something coming, doesn't mean you can prevent it in time. Since Terry's speed is very close to that of Miguel's, using that flash bomb on Miguel is possible even if it's difficult to do.
4. I can agree that Lilya wouldn't short circuit from Terry's electronic circuit, but that circuit is enough to drive her off and get her away from the batsuit. Also just because you prepped for an event and succeeded in that event doesn't mean you can't do it as good as before. For example there's an app you want to download but it contains a virus that harmful to your computer. So you prepped yourself for a week to battle and one week later, you downloaded the app and managed to get rid of that virus without deleting the app itself. But then one month later a hacker tries to insert the same virus you encountered into your computer. So you managed to get rid of that virus faster than you did one month ago. The same thing for the batcave, Bruce managed to repel Brainiac's hacking and Lylia's hacking is inferior to that of Brainiac. So it would be easier to repel of Lylia than Brainiac. Plus the batsuit is connected to the batcave computer so if the batsuit is being hacked, Bruce would use the computer to repel Lylia's hacking.
5. Batarang are not only designed to penetrate, but can also electrocute, explode, disarm, and restraining an opponent. So even if it can't penetrate through Miguel, they would still be able to electrocute, explode, restrain, or disarm whatever weapon he has.
6. I guess I can give Spider-Man 2099 the advantage in endurance. But what good would endurance do when your opponent is more skilled, stronger, durable, versatile, and faster enough to keep up with you. Also Hulk 2099 is durable enough to tank small missiles and one missile isn't enough to destroy a small building.
Overall, Batman beyond is stronger, more versatile, skilled, durable, and capable of keep up with Miguel. The only reason you debunked this video is because you can't handle someone else's opinion on Spider-Man scaling with having to interfere with the video. Guess who else can't handle different scaling of his favorite characters? That's right it's Seth the programmer and you're quite similar to him. If you think Screwattack is biased against Marvel, how about you watch all of the Marvel vs DC episodes and you'll know that Marvel has more wins than DC and did more lists that includes Marvel than DC itself. If you're gonna debunk me, then go ahead and try.
_A Spider-Man fan that’s intellectually honest and disagreedwith the result? Being a fan doesn't make you inherently biased, ya know. If I wasn't interested in other people's scaling or opinions, why would I leave the comment section open? Victory and I enjoy the rigors of debate, and I'm happy you commented. As for the SethTheProgrammer comparison. I'm not particularly a fan of his. Never have been, never will be. I hate that CZcams lumps us together, and I'm not fond of you doing it. (We don't even make the same content, debating is only one of the things we do.) As for me being less popular, yes. Our channel is significantly smaller. I let the validity of my points speak for my credibility, not our subscriber count. And lastly, I'm more interested in Spider-Man than Seth because I have better taste, simple as that._
_1. I'm going to classify your first point as either a non sequiter or a strawman. I brought up Mjolnir only in reference to the speed it was thrown at Miguel, not to its weight or his strength. Next, Terry avoided the attack by moving before Joker fired. ( __imgur.com/wOcJ5WD__ ) . This is known as aim dodging, common among street levelers._
_2. You should watch the video in its entirety. The building is completely intact (__imgur.com/5QBBrdW)__. If I had to guess, that was a room level explosion at best. Not to mention Terry also wasn’t even in the center of the explosion. How does that make Terry stronger than Miguel? That was a durability feat. His best strength feat in the video you linked was him lifting rubble, which is something Miguel could easily do. Miguel still has far higher durability feats. As I’ve shown in the video, Miguel’s suit has only been damaged once. Terry’s suit has been damaged constantly, and not by anything that Miguel cannot do._
_3. You seem to not understand Spider-Sense. It’s always been described as a buzzing in the head. (__qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c411a1aead11e20718a73e668b984df8)__, (__static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/106922/2014293-img_0545.png)__. Are you also going to ignore the fact that he’s visible drawn with the bolts that signify spider-sense, right beside Peter? No offense, but I’m going to have to assume based on that comment that you’re new to Spider-Man comics. This is a composite Miguel, which means every feat Miguel has will be included. 3 versions of Miguel have Spider-Sense. Timestorm Miguel has Spider-Sense (The one you’re referring to), Ultimate Spider-Man Miguel has Spider-Sense, and Shattered Dimensions Spider-Man has spider-sense. (__imgur.com/a/0A1P4)__ So even if you somehow don’t understand that Timestorm Miguel gives his composite Spider-Sense, the other versions undeniably do. That’s true, except in addition to enhanced vision Miguel can sense the danger before it happens. You haven’t proven that Terry is even close to Miguel’s combat speed, but even if he was, Spider-Sense allows him to react instinctively giving a definite advantage. Even if Terry got a flash bang off, Lyla and his spider-sense would compensate lack of eye sight. As for the speed thing, like I said, Miguel is fast enough to leave decoys of himself with pure speed (__imgur.com/zPDHq5J)__. Can Terry do that?_
_4. My question would be why didn’t the Batcave do that in this episode (__czcams.com/video/Soqc5t6k1UE/video.html)__. Terry is completely trapped in the suit and Bruce isn’t able to do anything. He could only remotely shut down the suit. He couldn’t do anything about the hacking done to it. The Batsuit has it's own separate computer. If Lyla were to get into the Batsuit and shut Bruce out in the same way, he wouldn’t be able to do anything save for shut down the suit which would be counterproductive. Not to mention Lyla could hack the suits AI, which already has a function to shut Bruce out. I only mentioned it being a prep feat, because the hacking prevention could likely be attributed to being a specific counter to Braniac, rather than an outright hacking defense. As I mentioned, the Batsuit itself was hacked by someone far inferior to Braniac._
_5. My argument wasn’t that they were only designed to penetrate. Just that they wouldn’t be able to, as they don’t have any feats piercing anything as durable as Miguel’s suit. As such, the fight playing out the way ScrewAttack portrayed it is inaccurate. Miguel’s suit can handle everything else they’re capable of. Not one thing you mentioned would put Miguel down for the count. They’d be inconveniences at best._
_6. Well considering that Terry isn’t stronger, certainly not more durable, and not as fast, it’ll do him just fine. I’m no Hulk 2099 expert, but I’m willing to say he’d tank a small building explosion just fine._
_So overall I 100% disagree with your refutation. The only thing we can agree on is that Terry has more versatility and skill. Nothing you said proves he’s more durable. As I mentioned, Miguel has far better durability feats. And nothing you showed really proved he could keep up with Miguel in hand to hand. I made this video because I think ScrewAttack was wrong. And before their video came out, I even thought Batman Beyond would win. But then I saw their video left out a shit ton of information about Miguel that I had in the two respect threads I made for him (you can see both the threads in the description box), and when comparing the feats myself, I found Miguel clearly won. I can handle other people’s opinions just fine. I have friends who like Dragon Ball Super, after all. But feats are objective, not subjective. And objectively, Miguel has better feats. I’m not seeing the similarity between Seth and myself. None of my points were reaching, nothing I said was outlandish, and I certainly didn’t wank or downplay anyone. That's not even addressing the point that a debunk or counterargument doesn't imply disrespect for someone's opinion, but that's off topic. I never said ScrewAttack was biased against Marvel. That’s a strawman._
_I’d say you’ve been pretty thoroughly debunked. I was hoping your points would be some I missed, and cause me to reconsider my conclusion. But unfortunately your first two points were flat out misrepresentations of what happened in the scene, your third point is an argument from ignorance, someone who doesn’t understand how spider-sense is presented in the comics or how that wasn’t the only instance of Miguel’s spider-sense, your fourth point was just flat out debunked by another episode of Batman Beyond, your fifth point was decent, and your 6th point was just flat out wrong. Your entire argument was centered around ad hominems and baseless claims._
_Oh, and by the way, if I was like SethTheProgrammer, I never would’ve responded to you._
_Cheers mate._
Michael McGrath hey absolutely shitted on your statement.
Michael McGrath Seth has had dragon ball character loose you dumb fuck so no I don’t believe he’s biased
Yeah I agree but people only like Batman beyond is because that he can “Fly” and uses his so called invinsibility if they had vibranium he would claw him I’m not being a fan boy so yeah
Michael McGrath Glad you didn't waste your time with this guys flawed debunks. Spiderman 2099 never had spider sense and even if he did it wouldn't be a problem with terry's speed, strength and durability.