Who is ACTUALLY a Legendary Super Saiyan?

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  • A lot of characters get called the Legendary Super Saiyan in Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball Super, but who is ACTUALLY a Legendary Super Saiyan?
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    ask you who the Legendary Super Saiyan is - I’m sure I’d get a lot of answers, but not all of them are actually right. That isn’t your fault though, Dragon Ball is a convoluted series in a lot of ways due to the multiple continuities that have existed basically since the first anime adaptation began. So let’s go through everyone who is and isn’t the “Legendary Super Saiyan.” I’ll even make a little chart to keep track of them.
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  • @draconicanimations2381
    @draconicanimations2381 Před 25 dny +5930

    Wrong. The Original SSJ is Launch.

  • @JeremiahAndJordan
    @JeremiahAndJordan Před 25 dny +1738

    Yeah, but who's the Super-Duper Saiyan?

  • @BCCSquidward
    @BCCSquidward Před 25 dny +1523

    Vegeta: "I'm a Super Saiyan-!"
    *Gets shot by Frieza.* 💀

    • @draconicanimations2381
      @draconicanimations2381 Před 25 dny +39

      Frieza couldn't stand his bull crap no more, little that he knew 🙃😔

    • @Anime7301
      @Anime7301 Před 25 dny +7

      By me lol

    • @waleedabdullahkhan5706
      @waleedabdullahkhan5706 Před 24 dny +25

      You see Frieza you're not dealing with an average Saiyan anymore

    • @flangley-
      @flangley- Před 24 dny +2

      @@waleedabdullahkhan5706
      Frieza: But Goku's not here yet.

    • @anotherrando4867
      @anotherrando4867 Před 24 dny +7

      ⁠​⁠@@waleedabdullahkhan5706He has risen above and become the legend… the legend that you fear… He has become the legendary, Super Saiy- (dies)

  • @Ratchetcomand
    @Ratchetcomand Před 25 dny +744

    Episode of Bardock is stated to be a what if story. So it can't be canon to anything.

    • @Nmoment-uv6jc
      @Nmoment-uv6jc Před 25 dny +83

      Its complicated. Before DBS: Broly, Akira Toriyama liked the episode so much that he drawed Bardock (from that special) in the frieza arc as a memory from Frieza.
      After BDS: Broly, Bardock's story was retconned and now its the one that appears in DB minus and the granola arc

    • @BIGTHANKSHEESH
      @BIGTHANKSHEESH Před 25 dny +15

      If that’s the case, then Broly is the actual Legendary Super Saiyan

    • @mussajawara2844
      @mussajawara2844 Před 25 dny +14

      Well it's canon to me

    • @juanibarra4927
      @juanibarra4927 Před 25 dny +20

      @@mussajawara2844 that’s okay man! Gt is canon to me cause I hate the direction super went

    • @ReBolt590
      @ReBolt590 Před 25 dny +26

      ​@@juanibarra4927 Not that gt is any better

  • @Alfredoharhar
    @Alfredoharhar Před 25 dny +255

    Vegeta: I WANNA, I WANNA BE A SUPER SAIYAN, I WANNA I WANNA I WANNA I WANNA I WANNA

    • @razrazgamer
      @razrazgamer Před 23 dny +4

      im just thinking of tiens roasts

  • @waleedabdullahkhan5706
    @waleedabdullahkhan5706 Před 25 dny +848

    The legendary Super Saiyans are the friends we made along the way

  • @ivanbluecool
    @ivanbluecool Před 25 dny +1031

    With how the Saiyans were barbarians who had no concepts of love or friendship. It makes sense how the super Saiyan form and even legendary version in super would be lost to time
    I mean look at the royalty for example

  • @Rub1ksCube
    @Rub1ksCube Před 25 dny +907

    Im pretty sure carthu already mentioned that goku is the legendary super Saiyan in canon

  • @henrygarcia39
    @henrygarcia39 Před 25 dny +125

    Also want to add that in the non-canon movie timeline, Broly seems to be younger when he turns into a regular super saiyan. So he does (non-canonically of course) become a super saiyan before Goku making him the first in a thousand years, but only in the non-canon timeline of course.

    • @najadamu2724
      @najadamu2724 Před 24 dny +26

      Yeah, Z Broly was born on the same day as Goku, but we see him as a SS when he's still a kid.

  • @Opdudall
    @Opdudall Před 24 dny +136

    *Launch sneezing and casually becoming a ssj before vegeta even knew about earth*

  • @JustSomeGuyWhoisLost
    @JustSomeGuyWhoisLost Před 24 dny +76

    Goku is the legendary super saiyan that is supposed to eradicate evil when he fought Frieza, Broly is the saiyan of legends who is a freak of nature.

    • @ohhellwhereami2574
      @ohhellwhereami2574 Před 24 dny +3

      Lssj ain't hero

    • @CorelUser
      @CorelUser Před 19 dny +2

      There is no legend about a freak of nature Saiyan, so no

    • @rossmelnyk1900
      @rossmelnyk1900 Před 18 dny +2

      ​@@CorelUser Explain golden ozaru...

    • @Falco2541
      @Falco2541 Před 14 dny +1

      @@CorelUser well no legend of the non canon broly but canon version when he appears in the fourth movie he is called a freak of nature by the king himself so that’s only like half true yes no legend but still is kind of called a freak but the king didn’t just try and kill him he actually tried mercy if you can actually call sending a kid to a planet that was super far away and basically useless to sayains all because he could possibly have gone berserk like his non canon counterpart and destroyed the universe so he was right to have done that and also wrong because broly was a child but to be fair I don’t think sayains know anything about kindness or mercy except for Goku when he first went super sayain was with his battle with frieza on namek and vegeta even has a hard time being nice because he’s technically prince vegeta jr. if we must use his full name though technically now a king since his father is dead and trunks is technically a prince who is half saiyain so vegeta would rather beet someone up or get into a fight than be nice while trunks probably learned kindness from his mother the real legend is how vegeta is technically vegeta jr. but nobody calls him junior how on earth does that happen also when goku goes super for the first time after watching krillin blow up was awesome and probably one of my favorite fights in this anime

    • @HotFootBunny
      @HotFootBunny Před 10 dny

      @@rossmelnyk1900 not Canon

  • @mrsamaritan6881
    @mrsamaritan6881 Před 24 dny +254

    I love the idea that Broly is the actual Legendary Super Saiyan. While it seems like it undermines our expectations and that Goku should be because he's the "main" character, but it actually makes Goku BETTER. Rather then being chosen by "destiny" or genetics, Goku EARNED his transformation and forged his own destiny. In the end, hard work and heroics trumps legend and unearned power - such as even the legendary Super Saiyan. It's an improvement to the story and serves to explain why other Saiyans can become "super". Because none of them are actually THE legendary Super Saiyan, because only Broly is the true Super Saiyan.

    • @ohhellwhereami2574
      @ohhellwhereami2574 Před 24 dny +28

      My take there are two lssj one with heart of lssj (goku obviously) and other being lssj of strength which explain broly and kakrot conflict

    • @xxrgxxcasco
      @xxrgxxcasco Před 20 dny +11

      So true... Japanese culture doesn't cherish the gifted, but those who work hard to earn gifted results. It would make no sense for Japanese to make Son Goku the Legendary Super Saiyan. That manga would be called one-punch-man or something.

    • @masterzombie161
      @masterzombie161 Před 19 dny +8

      Also there’s a huge cost to being the legendary super saiyan which is an overflow of energy causing madness and destruction everywhere.

    • @shredwerd009
      @shredwerd009 Před 18 dny +1

      legendary super saiyan is the guy who happened to achieve it. it was always possible, its just saiyans never reached that point strength wise and in a situation to put them over into achieving it. therefore it was rare, so whoever achieved it was legendary. Broly was just ultra strong, and achieved it quickly, and is the "legendary" one. goku just got strong and achieved it.

    • @ohhellwhereami2574
      @ohhellwhereami2574 Před 18 dny

      @@shredwerd009 you're implying his ssj is normal?

  • @aperson6888
    @aperson6888 Před 24 dny +48

    I mean, no matter how u feel about Broly, the fact is for Super Saiyan to really fit the status of "LEGENDARY", it kinda has to be special. Like think about it, if the form is so legendary why would it be accessible to just every Saiyan
    And I mean come on, Broly is the only freakazoid super strong Saiyan of all the ones we've ever seen in canon, aside from the hybrids like Gohan(and also Kale), so technically he fits the legendary status best(sorry for rambling)
    Edit: and in addition, unlike the hybrids like Gohan, Broly is a pure 100% Saiyan with unmatched potential so he actually fits the term "high class warrior" better than anyone

    • @DesmondBlackett
      @DesmondBlackett Před 17 dny +4

      Facts

    • @caramelcandys
      @caramelcandys Před 15 dny

      Personally i still think the legendary part of LSSJ is about it being prophesied but this is a really cool angle to see it as!

    • @nem3732
      @nem3732 Před 6 dny +3

      It's called Legendary Super Saiyan because it was a transformation that was done only by one man. Sure, every Saiyan can transform, but there hasn't been any who did until Goku because everyone thought of it as a myth of legend.

    • @aperson6888
      @aperson6888 Před 5 dny +4

      @@nem3732 I get u, but the fact that it has been proven to be aquirable by any Saiyan, even hybrids negates it's Legendary status. Therefore if a random Saiyan pops up with unmatched potential and a crazy exclusive form, he definitely fits the mold better than Goku who just showed that it was possible

    • @aperson6888
      @aperson6888 Před 5 dny +1

      @@nem3732 And if u still don't believe me, think abt it this way, Broly was a baby at the same time that Vegeta was a baby so they're roughly around the same age, maybe even with Goku. This means that in a hypothetical scenario where Broly was scent to Earth instead of Goku, he would have fullfilled the Legend of the Super Saiyan by defeating Frieza and basically everyone else without even having to transform into anything as we saw that Broly caught up to and surpassed SS Vegeta while he was in base. So it's safe to say that the form itself is actually just a transformation and the actual fulfilment of the "1000yr" thing was Broly since he, Goku and Vegeta are all relatively around the same age, so it's still after 1000yrs, yet only one of them on the entire planet could surpass a form they never even knew existed until Goku, while in base (Very sorry for rambling)

  • @kingofrannoch
    @kingofrannoch Před 24 dny +21

    Broly is the legendary super Saiyan. The unique transformation and unique power

  • @blur7491
    @blur7491 Před 25 dny +152

    A personal theory I always had that in the GT timeline, Goku being the only one able to turn ssj4 at will without blutz waves was because of him being the LSSJ.

    • @michaelgrey1503
      @michaelgrey1503 Před 24 dny +48

      Wasn't it because he haad regrown his tail and Vegeta had not and he only had his tail back when he was in SS4 mode? Baby too I guess.

    • @JackedUpEntertainment
      @JackedUpEntertainment Před 24 dny +6

      Unlikely since GT takes place in the movie continuity dimension and in that one Broly is the LSSJ

    • @hueyfreeman9094
      @hueyfreeman9094 Před 24 dny +13

      ​@@michaelgrey1503 right, vegeta had to force his tail out to even transform, it had nothing to do with status

    • @manipulatortrash
      @manipulatortrash Před 24 dny +14

      @@JackedUpEntertainment this is false. I really don't know why people insist that there is any sort of real movie continuity because its simply not possible if you're also going to believe GT follows up the original run of Z with all the filler (which is where the water that exterminated the black water mist comes from in the GT arc where its used on baby's infections). Its physically impossible for some of these movies to have happened, like the fusion reborn movie especially. Goku and vegeta being dead would only happen if it was right after goku left the lookout. There is basically no possible instance where gohan is great saiyaman (when he should be presumed dead at this point, aka in the world of the kais,)and gotenks is ssj on screen while vegeta and goku are both dead.
      There is also the tree of might, which again can't happen if you also believe GT follows the original Z run. Even the fact cooler appears in GT makes almost zero sense since vegeta and goku being normal ssjs (clearly not any of the higher grades or mastered since gohan isn't a ssj yet) isn't possible since no one knew vegeta was a ssj until he saved goku's butt in the android saga and goku is out of commission because of the heart virus until they all head to the time chamber. Broly is similarly impossible for this reason, even more so because trunks is there, meaning is *has* to be dead middle of the android arc where goku *has* to be bed ridden.
      There isn't a movie continuity dimension that is compatible with GT or even the original Z run, it's safe to say each is their own warped dimension unconnected to GT and Z. Some iteration of the movies is likely in the GT timeline since obviously cooler appears (some bojack minions too i think...?) but the actual movies did *not* happen. You could even argue fusion reborn or some warped version of it happened in GT since it'd seem pretty damn unlikely they pulled it off first try (although it's also weird they could pull it off first try years later in entirely different bodies) but it's still far fetched. GT isn't a continuation of the movies as we know it, nor is it possible if you also believe old Z filler is canon in GT. Its just physically impossible for either of them to exist on the same timeline.

    • @JackedUpEntertainment
      @JackedUpEntertainment Před 24 dny +4

      @@manipulatortrash you just have to accept that somehow both the movies and the Z anime happened in the GT continuity even tho it doesn't make sense, the Dr Slump manga is also canon to the DB manga yet that doesn't make any sense, you just have to accept that it's true even though the events don't line up, GT references The events of 4 (maybe 5 if you include return of cooler) movies in the show in someway.
      Yes again it doesn't make any sense at all but neither does Dragon Ball and Dr Slump sharing continuity but they very much

  • @user-kw3ox7il8j
    @user-kw3ox7il8j Před 25 dny +444

    This video is wrong,its obviously hercule

  • @waleedabdullahkhan5706
    @waleedabdullahkhan5706 Před 25 dny +41

    It's like a super Saiyan bargain sale😂

  • @pockystyx4087
    @pockystyx4087 Před 25 dny +58

    it's kinda funny how the reversal of the manga coming out later than the anime muddied up so much of Kale and Broly's forms lol

    • @nickalas666
      @nickalas666 Před 24 dny +1

      😂😂😂 no it didn't

    • @pockystyx4087
      @pockystyx4087 Před 24 dny +22

      @@nickalas666 the Super manga? yeah it released post ToP for the anime and post Broly Super movie.
      Shocker; I know, but the Manga has been adapting the movies after they were released; for some reason lol

    • @BeautifulGodYapasu
      @BeautifulGodYapasu Před 19 dny +1

      ​@@pockystyx4087Yeah and I'm mad that Full power DBS Broly form isn't canon to the Manga.

    • @goofyahdemoman1134
      @goofyahdemoman1134 Před 9 dny

      They’ll eventually have to or people won’t like seeing Broly anymore. He’ll just be like Frieza, a massive girthy log forcefully shoved down our throats.
      The whole hype for Broly IS JUST the green haired form.

  • @Tibsterv
    @Tibsterv Před 25 dny +191

    Goku: ssj of prophecy
    Broly: ssj of legend and blood

    • @nickalas666
      @nickalas666 Před 24 dny

      😂😂😂

    • @Meh99k
      @Meh99k Před 24 dny +7

      Exactly

    • @zetset8098
      @zetset8098 Před 24 dny +1

      Prophecy? First Bardock movie is filler.

    • @cosmefulanito6854
      @cosmefulanito6854 Před 24 dny +12

      @@zetset8098 Not really. The whole legend of the SSJ is completely canon and mentioned outside of Bardock's movie. Not only that, but while most of the story of the movie is non-canon, the last part with Bardock facing Frieza and dying is canon, and it was also in the manga way before Super Broly showed Bardock's canonical full story

    • @zetset8098
      @zetset8098 Před 24 dny +2

      @@cosmefulanito6854 Legend yes but not Goku as prophecy guy who beat Frieza. Bardock vision is filler.

  • @wabbatal
    @wabbatal Před 25 dny +21

    Episode of Bardock isn’t canon, but I love the idea of the super saiyan of legend being Goku’s father. As a different continuity, I love it.

    • @dangerousdays2052
      @dangerousdays2052 Před 24 dny +2

      Bardock literally would never have become a Super Saiyan if Towa hadn't experimented on him to give him more power.

  • @Blue_King_Gogeta
    @Blue_King_Gogeta Před 25 dny +362

    SHALLOT MENTIONED 🗣️🗣️‼️‼️‼️

  • @Op_pose
    @Op_pose Před 25 dny +149

    "And he was just a monkey.. right??"
    Never gets old LMAOFGKJHJGKL

  • @danyadanya9535
    @danyadanya9535 Před 25 dny +75

    Russian db fans are OBSESSED with the "golden oozaru" that was shown during the frieza saga in the anime
    They talk about it all the time and at any opportunity
    People were talking about how they hope that it will show up in Daima

    • @speedymetal
      @speedymetal Před 24 dny +33

      They must love GT

    • @dangerousdays2052
      @dangerousdays2052 Před 24 dny +36

      I went to a Russian zoo in the late 2000s and they had painted one of the gorillas gold and the sign said "OZORO."

    • @gegor41311
      @gegor41311 Před 24 dny +4

      okay maybe I'm just not that involved in the russian db community, but what are you talking about???
      I'm Russian, it's the first time I hear of this

    • @cannibalman8175
      @cannibalman8175 Před 24 dny +6

      ​@@dangerousdays2052that's kinda hilarious😭😭

    • @najadamu2724
      @najadamu2724 Před 24 dny +2

      Well, the "Golden Oozaru" technically appeared in GT, as the precursor to Goku's SS4 (I can't remember if Vegeta ever showed it before he went SS4 too, but if not, it's probably because he got it artificially through Bulma's Blutz Waves-generating machine).

  • @SnakeLiquid-Xlr8
    @SnakeLiquid-Xlr8 Před 25 dny +32

    Goku is the one who did legendary feats. He made the Legend in reality and help others achieve as well

  • @joeker5208
    @joeker5208 Před 24 dny +15

    You’re forgetting one. Didn’t mention GT’s lore, which heavily implies that the mysterious SSJ4 of the Old Kai’s time is the legendary Super Saiyan due to him supposedly being a Golden Oozaru as was shown in the original Z anime

    • @Ttzc788
      @Ttzc788 Před 24 dny +3

      literally no one cares about gts lore

    • @reddragon100
      @reddragon100 Před 24 dny +4

      GT lore is not canon to main timeline.

    • @joeker5208
      @joeker5208 Před 24 dny +18

      @@reddragon100 never said it was. But Carthu went through non-canon material such as Bardock and Z Broly. Along with using Anime evidence when talking about Cell. So might as well also cover the other non-canon anime stuff

    • @ohhellwhereami2574
      @ohhellwhereami2574 Před 24 dny +4

      ​@@Ttzc788 talk about yourself little timmy

    • @Alxnxx
      @Alxnxx Před 21 dnem

      no one cares bro

  • @idkchocolate
    @idkchocolate Před 25 dny +19

    You know toriyama thought of yamoshi on the spot😂

  • @Shift_Salt
    @Shift_Salt Před 25 dny +175

    No idea why the movies were ever treated as a valid source of info, besides "we can make merchandise with this"

    • @elfascisto6549
      @elfascisto6549 Před 25 dny +24

      I mean, if you're refering exclusively to the movies before BoG, then yeah.

    • @KingBuilder525
      @KingBuilder525 Před 24 dny +2

      What I don't understand is why anime creators produce movies with no care or thought for the show cannon.

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku Před 24 dny +26

      @@KingBuilder525 because they're not trying to adhere to the show canon, these are just fun little side stories. But on occasion they will bring in the original mangaka and actually make the movie at least somewhat canon, like with One Piece Film Red or the My Hero Academia movies.

    • @09ziyad
      @09ziyad Před 24 dny

      It's part of the show they can make merch from the main series too I guess nothing is Canon by your logic.

    • @BlackStar_____
      @BlackStar_____ Před 24 dny

      @@ProjektTakufilm red is not canon tho

  • @celldh0825
    @celldh0825 Před 24 dny +15

    11:00 Actually, Nappa calls Gohan a “Chou Saiyajin” in Japanese. He’s basically just calling him a really strong Saiyan, not the legend (IE the Supa Saiyajin)

    • @CarthusDojo
      @CarthusDojo  Před 24 dny +22

      Nah in Japanese he says Supa Saiyajin. I’ve checked for this just in case.

    • @celldh0825
      @celldh0825 Před 24 dny +8

      @@CarthusDojo huh. Nappa DOES say Supa Saiya-Jin! Thanks for correcting me. Toriyama (intentionally or not) was REALLY foreshadowing it, wasn’t he?

    • @Lahiss
      @Lahiss Před 20 dny +1

      @@celldh0825 Did you check manga or anime? I could see the manga using kanji for 超 in the text with furigana スーパー like DBS does.

  • @jojobod
    @jojobod Před 24 dny +8

    I’d argue that the non canon legendary super saiyans are more of a legendary super saiyan than the canon non legendary super saiyans

  • @Utopia390rl
    @Utopia390rl Před 20 dny +3

    I see the legendary status of Goku vs Broly as comparing an actual legend to a legendary Pokémon

  • @Noone-xf9uu
    @Noone-xf9uu Před 25 dny +147

    Didnt Toriyama once say that saiyans needed to have a specific power level to become a super saiyan? Wonder how strong yamoshi was if he was able to transform?

    • @azimuddin1890
      @azimuddin1890 Před 25 dny +30

      Maybe Yamoshi was at a level of 3,000,000 also? But now my question is how come he didn’t completely beat the entire race? Was he too weakened? Gokou was already weakened when fighting Freeza, but then he seem to have regain his stamina, and Freeza at max was at 120,000,000 while Gokou was at 150,000,000 and was doing much better. Maybe Yamoshi’s stamina was too low.
      I don’t know :/

    • @UnwantedGhost1-anz25
      @UnwantedGhost1-anz25 Před 25 dny +37

      You're referring to S Cells, enough training, and a pure heart.

    • @Noone-xf9uu
      @Noone-xf9uu Před 25 dny +24

      ​@@azimuddin1890maybe the saiyans in yamoshis time where doing tons of push ups sit ups and drinking plenty of juice and had power levels in the millions but in my opinion i dont think yamoshi had a power level of 3 million. Toriyama never specified what power level a saiyan needed to be to go super saiyan all we know is that it would have to be higher than 120 since kid goku didnt turn ssj when krillin died and most saiyans never went through something that would make them that mad. Yamoshi probably died because of 3 reasons 1 their was a large amount of saiyans to fight against so he would probably have had to constantly use his stamina 2 he probably didn't have alot of stamina and 3 he was probably already injured and tired when he transformed since he was fighting the entire saiyan race.

    • @Noone-xf9uu
      @Noone-xf9uu Před 25 dny +3

      @@UnwantedGhost1-anz25 vegeta didn't have that much of a pure heart when he went super saiyan he didn't even try to help his son and bulma when they where going to die in the android saga

    • @animefanatic787
      @animefanatic787 Před 25 dny +15

      ​@Noone-xf9uu training can play a part in it, look at gohan, he has a pure heart and had several moments of extreme rage that should have made him a super saiyan if it's just needing a pure heart and rage to trigger it, goku trained to his limits on namek when he snapped and transformed, vegeta trained until it practically broke him, and he still couldn't achieve it since he just wanted to transform, but as goku said it's born of a need, not a want, gohan and goku NEEDED the transformation, when vegeta stopped hunting the transformation he finally gained it

  • @SavantPete
    @SavantPete Před 25 dny +51

    SSJ3 has ties to legendary Super Saiyan

    • @Hayyan236
      @Hayyan236 Před 25 dny +8

      Super Saiyan is the legendary super Saiyan

    • @adrianc2463
      @adrianc2463 Před 21 dnem +3

      super saiyan is the legend itself, it was so rare that almost nobody believed it even exists

    • @amqru
      @amqru Před 20 dny +2

      yea cuz it's a form of a super saiyan lmao

  • @ChaddyFantome
    @ChaddyFantome Před 25 dny +14

    Yamoshi and Goku
    EDIT: Its actually really interesting to me that the U6 Saiyans basically had a reverse version of the Super Saiyan Legend. I like it.

  • @sirnutaku7716
    @sirnutaku7716 Před 24 dny +9

    I always took it as
    Yamoshi was the first true super saiyan (aka saiyan of legend)
    Broly is a legendary saiyan in terms of his potential and power makes him a legendary
    Goku is the legendary super saiyan (aka a prophecy that came true)

  • @KonaSquid
    @KonaSquid Před 23 dny +10

    Z Broly will always be the LSS.

  • @YakupDemirtas-gw1ly
    @YakupDemirtas-gw1ly Před 24 dny +37

    1:37 imagine getting spoilers for Dragon ball legends

    • @LDTechno
      @LDTechno Před 24 dny +2

      BRO HUH

    • @LDTechno
      @LDTechno Před 24 dny +3

      WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN

    • @alexvalencia5713
      @alexvalencia5713 Před 23 dny +1

      ​@LDTechno I believe this was when Zaaha betrayed him after the Omnificence crystal was finished.

    • @eggsbaconcheeseandsausage
      @eggsbaconcheeseandsausage Před 21 dnem

      @@alexvalencia5713yea the story is already out but I think part 17 will be out before Christmas is here or maybe before November idk yet

  • @latch21
    @latch21 Před 24 dny +6

    Thank you again! First you settle the SSG arguments, then the SS vs SSJ now the SSL. Thank you my man!!!

  • @JustYourPalSonic
    @JustYourPalSonic Před 25 dny +8

    I'm somewhat surprised he didn't sneak in a joke about SSJ Mr Satan.

  • @dante-sama0720
    @dante-sama0720 Před 23 dny +4

    I love how Cathu had the he's Him and he's not him spectrum

  • @KendalDial
    @KendalDial Před 24 dny +37

    Finding out Cell is made of only 5 people is wild. TFS made me think my boy Yamcha was in there somewhere 😂.

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku Před 24 dny +7

      5 guys dna, and then maybe some fighting skills from other human fights. But what was Gero gonna do if Cold and Freeza didn't show up? Then its just Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo in there.

    • @LoquenderoInazuma
      @LoquenderoInazuma Před 24 dny +6

      The funny thing is thst in DBZA canon, yamcha is apparently the one that cell DOESN'T have dna

    • @jadexsolaris6916
      @jadexsolaris6916 Před 24 dny +2

      @@ProjektTakuweird thought. could mean that Earth would have been safer if no one went to Namek. going to Namek attracted Frieza and Cooler back to Earth. so if Goku stayed dead Earth maybe would be unaffected. the planet would be more vulnerable, but it was like waving a flag at a bull. maybe if Goku stayed dead Gohan would take over and lead Earth into a more sober-minded stronghold. Goku clearly just wants problems. 😂

    • @jadexsolaris6916
      @jadexsolaris6916 Před 24 dny

      but then no super saiyan, no Goku, no legendary battle against Frieza so it’s valid

    • @seijin4426
      @seijin4426 Před 23 dny

      Because it's not true.

  • @progamer7730
    @progamer7730 Před 25 dny +92

    Caulifla and cabba wouldnt even be a super sayin without vegeta. Hell they wouldn't even know what super sayin is without vegeta

    • @draconicanimations2381
      @draconicanimations2381 Před 25 dny +19

      @@progamer7730 Cabba is the ONLY one in Universe 6 that deserves Super Saiyan. Caulifla got it Because of a "back tingle"

    • @adventurersitem-shop3050
      @adventurersitem-shop3050 Před 25 dny +1

      So?

    • @ultrashadow9551
      @ultrashadow9551 Před 25 dny +9

      ​@@draconicanimations2381to be fair that's just how she described how it felt for her. It's probably a similar situation to Goten and Present Trunks. She was already more than strong to transform, she just needed a little bit of direction.

    • @progamer7730
      @progamer7730 Před 25 dny +1

      @@adventurersitem-shop3050 they aren't the legendary super sayin just. Because of that no other reason

    • @progamer7730
      @progamer7730 Před 25 dny +1

      @@draconicanimations2381 lol

  • @michaelgrey1503
    @michaelgrey1503 Před 24 dny +4

    I would actually like to argue that Super's Broly is closer to the Legendary Supersaiyan than all of the other still living non-Goku Saiyans since Broly likely never knew anything about the legend and because he unlocked the form the same way that Goku did, whereas the other Saiyans unlocked it through training and observation. Broly was a mindless brute when he transformed and definitely wasn't observing his combatants in the hopes of learning to ascend.
    In many ways, Broly is a lot like Goku in demeanor and belief so he could still be a subversion of the Legendary Warrior trope that Goku's initial transformation was trying to subvert. The only real difference is that Broly was born with overwhelming power for the race and Goku was not.

  • @lights3682
    @lights3682 Před 24 dny +11

    if we’re talking about the legend, Broly literally is the legendary super saiyan

  • @SymbioteMullet
    @SymbioteMullet Před 24 dny +6

    I consider Vegeta to be the Legendary Super Saiyan of Universe 6, as he is the inspiration to Cabba to transform himself, and then _styles_ on him with the reveal of Super Blue.
    Arguably Goku could hold the title too, as he transformed in front of Cabba first, but Vegeta definitely made the bigger impact.
    As a kid, i always thought that Z-Movie Broly was possessed by a demon or similar, there's something about the way the power _explodes_ out of him uncontrollably when he transforms or attacks. And he's got such a degree of cruel evil that doesn't feel like it came from a mortal being. The restraining devices he's wearing don't shackle the power specifically, but the evil entity within him. And it would also explain the colouration differences of hair and ki - his transformation was mutated by the entity, and their Ki was blended together. (Toriyama later describing Super 2 and 3 as "mutations" of super saiyan rather than distinct forms cemented this idea in my head)
    It also fits with the general theme several of the later movies had of demons and other pure evils being the villains.
    Just my headcanon.

  • @ItsOver9000Productions
    @ItsOver9000Productions Před 24 dny +4

    I always theorized hat Brolys green and blue transformation was just how his genetics Expressed SSJ. Like Gokus hair sticks up when he goes Ssj 1 but its not that same case for Gohan when he was younger. Vegetas hair barely changes while Trunks can't keep a consistent style. Like, the colors dont actually mean much outside of your genetics like your eye color.

  • @UnwantedGhost1-anz25
    @UnwantedGhost1-anz25 Před 25 dny +9

    I wanna know who the ancestors of the Saiyans were like? Were they Kaiju Monkeys right after being created by the Supreme Kais of Universe 7?

  • @thatonedude..111
    @thatonedude..111 Před 25 dny +30

    I need the what ifs back my goat 😭

    • @CarthusDojo
      @CarthusDojo  Před 25 dny +39

      They never went away. I just have more variety in my content. I don’t want to make a lot of what ifs, run out of good ideas and have to make “What if Vegeta and Goku shared a toilet? Part 12” LMAO

    • @Hayyan236
      @Hayyan236 Před 25 dny +5

      ​@@CarthusDojo what if broly was raised by galactic patrol

    • @extremmefan7305
      @extremmefan7305 Před 24 dny

      @@CarthusDojo We would need a part 1 first, my dude. XD

    • @SonRehan
      @SonRehan Před 24 dny

      @@CarthusDojo what if Kratos and atreas entered the dbs univeres
      or
      What if goku entered the world of gow ragnarok,

    • @thatonedude..111
      @thatonedude..111 Před 24 dny +1

      @@CarthusDojoI completely understand you bro. Keep up with the peak content then! I’ll stay watching you and Smugstick!

  • @kalator
    @kalator Před 20 dny +3

    Brilliant. I wouldn't have necessarily agreed if I just saw the list beforehand, but it's pretty tough to poke holes in most the logic.

  • @JayyyTheGr8
    @JayyyTheGr8 Před 24 dny +9

    6:49 he’s not doing wat master roshi does. Swole master roshi is his actual form and he’s suppresses his power to be frail master roshi. Similar to the way that frieza does.

  • @genesismultiverse4896
    @genesismultiverse4896 Před 24 dny +5

    I actually think broly's lssj is actually like another deity like a war god of the saiyans who demands blood like some aztec gods who desire blood as sacrifices

  • @Sticksmaaan
    @Sticksmaaan Před 25 dny +9

    Like doflamango said who ever wins can decide justice history can be altered depending on the perspective

  • @AverageEnjoyerQ
    @AverageEnjoyerQ Před 25 dny +50

    The Orginal legendary super saiyan was lunch

  • @Solesteam
    @Solesteam Před 24 dny +5

    8:40 Maybe in a few centuries a legend about them will be written, but as of now, probably not.

  • @NocturnalPyro
    @NocturnalPyro Před 22 dny +2

    7:13 I think Roshi's max power form is just what happens when he tenses his muscles fully.

  • @AVeryStableFusion
    @AVeryStableFusion Před 24 dny +2

    Also type A is not type A, its the restricted form of super saiyan, people get this wrong a lot.

  • @lol_vevo
    @lol_vevo Před 24 dny +3

    Not to nitpick, but if the Super manga and DBS: Broly differ like in the existance of full power SSJ, I would treat the movie as canon over the manga, since Toriyama was more involved with the movie

    • @rossmelnyk1900
      @rossmelnyk1900 Před 18 dny

      Toriyama was original creator of DB, however he didn't make all decisions. Decision making fell to whole team and companies that Toriyama was employed by. So correct way would be to formulate opinion based on final product and not purely on Toriyama's opinion..

    • @spawnshell1
      @spawnshell1 Před 3 dny

      plus full power broly still wasn’t designed by toriama the green hair was added in by toei full power ssj broly by definition is filler

  • @Pengin-yg1qx
    @Pengin-yg1qx Před 24 dny +3

    Me when Carthu uploads: *ssj3 victory pose*

    • @Pengin-yg1qx
      @Pengin-yg1qx Před 24 dny

      I am BEYOND starstruck that carthu liked my comment, easily the best dragon ball CZcamsr

  • @UnwantedGhost1-anz25
    @UnwantedGhost1-anz25 Před 25 dny +7

    Great video as always. But when's the next Dragonball What-if? 😁

  • @farhaancfc7883
    @farhaancfc7883 Před 22 dny +2

    the final background music went so hard that I didn't listen a word of what he said

  • @Chonkiemonkie
    @Chonkiemonkie Před 7 dny +1

    You see Carthu, you’re not dealing with the average Saiyan warrior anymore.

  • @Davids_dojo-p9u
    @Davids_dojo-p9u Před 24 dny +2

    Another well done video master

  • @gerelectric1171
    @gerelectric1171 Před 23 dny +3

    my personal headcanon is that the canon Broly is the same type of saiyan Kale is, and that the "full power" or "Berserker" forms are just a special type of Super Saiyan they have
    but this is just what i think, don't take it too seriously lol

  • @danielquinlan2457
    @danielquinlan2457 Před 24 dny +4

    I'd be more forgiving of "Broly, the Legendary Super Saiyan" from the old Z movies if the oddness of there being a distinct "legendary" Super Saiyan that's separate from an the other Super Saiyans was addressed. Have the characters ask questions, like "What do you mean he's the legendary Super Saiyan? Isn't that what we are?". Have Broli monologue about being the true Super Saiyan and how Goku and co are all imitators. Heck, right before Goku delivers the finishing blow, Broli can fearfully ask himself "Could Kakarrot truly be the real legendary Super Saiyan?!"
    But no, Paragus and Kaio start the movie off taking about the Legendary Super Saiyan running amok in the South Galaxy, and nobody bats an eye.

    • @ohhellwhereami2574
      @ohhellwhereami2574 Před 24 dny

      Broly ssj is un attainable while all their ssj was achievable by each other

  • @gamerthings2559
    @gamerthings2559 Před 24 dny +2

    I really want a backstory arc back to when Yamoshi was fighting all those Saiyans. Would be cool ngl.

  • @thatcreepyguyinthecorner8151

    For the “Super saiyan types” I think it makes sense for him if you think about the blue haired one as him still being restricted, then the normal one and then green when the power is enough to forcibly buff his body

  • @gormen3021
    @gormen3021 Před 25 dny +6

    6:53 what about frieza full power/mucsle form
    Cell has frieza dna so why not?

  • @toxicrepeter8607
    @toxicrepeter8607 Před 20 dny +5

    "This isn't canon so who the f cares" just wow dude

    • @bagofchipx
      @bagofchipx Před 12 dny

      Why are you booing him? He's right

    • @toxicrepeter8607
      @toxicrepeter8607 Před 12 dny +3

      @@bagofchipx Of course he isn't, a ton of people care about "non-canon" stuff like Bardock's and Trunks' special, GT, the movies...
      Considering how Super itself was about 10% Toriyama and 90% Toei staff, its really stupid to dismiss and trash talk content that was 100% Toei just because the fandom likes to.

    • @dawsontvdc
      @dawsontvdc Před 10 dny

      It isn't canon. So who cares. This is a conversation about THE actual Legendary Super Saiyan. You can't be THE anything if you don't actually exist.

    • @doodoo2065
      @doodoo2065 Před 10 dny +2

      ​@@dawsontvdc None of these characters exist

    • @dawsontvdc
      @dawsontvdc Před 9 dny

      @@doodoo2065 They do exist within that space. TV shows exist or we couldnt watch them. Youre being annoying for the sake of being annoying and thats all. If you're going to talk, change your pfp. No one wants to see a loli creep commenting.

  • @ivanbluecool
    @ivanbluecool Před 25 dny +10

    Love your content. Can you talk about the great ape form next and how it's a missed opportunity to have been a pre super Saiyan form for all the Saiyans to master. And what I mean is the Broly version where he gained the 10x multiplier without needing a moon and staying in his human form.
    I think it'd be an awesome what if or discussion on how Saiyans could have had a base form power up similar to mystic Gohan

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku Před 24 dny

      What if Saiyans didn't have Super Saiyan? Then their only forms could be the humanoid great ape form and SSJG

    • @ivanbluecool
      @ivanbluecool Před 24 dny

      @@ProjektTaku it could be interesting to see Goku use great ape human on top of kaioken against freiza
      Or as a new base form power. I should ask around the DBZ community as this does sound like an interesting idea.

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku Před 24 dny

      @@ivanbluecool I'd image he'd die right after if he uses kaioken ontop of wrathful (great ape humanoid form) after he's just unlocked.
      However I can see him mastering it and using it as a new base form in the Cell Saga like with Super Saiyan.

    • @ivanbluecool
      @ivanbluecool Před 24 dny

      @@ProjektTaku well the ape form is basically a 10x multiplier so on top of kaioken it could be a 20 or 30
      Great ape is his body while kaioken Is a booster making it seem very interesting

    • @Minja-yo
      @Minja-yo Před 24 dny

      So basically what if the the saiyan’s had ikari

  • @jangleleg117
    @jangleleg117 Před 19 dny +2

    11:56 ...Trunks did NOT take anything from Broly. The character of Broly was created by Takao Koyama, who was inspired to create a menacing and powerful Saiyan villain after watching Future Trunks transforming into his Super Saiyan Third Grade form during the Perfect Cell Saga, and designed by Dragon Ball creator, Akira Toriyama. So if anything, Broly stole his whole swag from Trunks. Do some research.

  • @warrenbradford2597
    @warrenbradford2597 Před 19 dny +1

    I enjoy the rankings you gave to these characters. Thank you for informing me about true, legendary, super saiyans.

  • @zondel_
    @zondel_ Před 25 dny +3

    I mean, no one was friends with anyone, or being too close to someone to make them angry enough to unlock super saiyan, meaning it was basically lost to time.

  • @schwibblerton
    @schwibblerton Před 25 dny +20

    It’s confirmed. Shallot is the first super saiyan.

    • @Nmoment-uv6jc
      @Nmoment-uv6jc Před 25 dny +3

      In canon yamoshi was the first super saiyan

    • @Twkout
      @Twkout Před 25 dny

      @@Nmoment-uv6jcyou’re slow man

    • @SonRehan
      @SonRehan Před 24 dny +1

      but shallot's and Yamoshi's story is same, both were fighting over evil saiyans

    • @JoelERea
      @JoelERea Před 24 dny +2

      “Shallot”’s a _much_ better name for a Saiyan than “Yamoshi.” Why would Toriyama give the canon original Super Saiyan a seemingly non-Saiyan name?

    • @SonRehan
      @SonRehan Před 24 dny +2

      @@JoelERea that's what iam saying

  • @Shadow_Microwaive
    @Shadow_Microwaive Před 25 dny +20

    I would put cabba a little bit below "Him" section but above "kinda him"
    Because Cabba was the first in his universe but not the first in general
    Kale can stay where she is and Caulifla would be in "kinda him"

    • @BassLiberators
      @BassLiberators Před 24 dny +3

      It's not a measure of who's first though, it's about who fulfills the legend.
      Cabba didn't fulfill the legend of his universe.

  • @cronuslite6358
    @cronuslite6358 Před 24 dny +2

    "once every thousand years a super Saiyan is born"
    Oh so Goku is the legendary super Saiyan.
    "Yes. Along with all these other people"
    Oh... So the legend is wrong. You can just work out hard enough and when you stub your toe you grow super Saiyan.. cool

  • @all-starkirb2873
    @all-starkirb2873 Před 23 dny +1

    I like that the thumbnail is just “come on dad, come on broly, put down your fists, lets just go get some food.”

  • @lumaseed6490
    @lumaseed6490 Před 25 dny +3

    Carthu looks like a Mix between the Papa Johns SECOND cup of cheese guy and Post Malone

  • @GokuZAnimation
    @GokuZAnimation Před 25 dny +7

    Great new video carthu, keep up the good work!

  • @MasterChef-pw9ww
    @MasterChef-pw9ww Před 25 dny +4

    Bangers as always

  • @TechnicallyChris
    @TechnicallyChris Před 21 dnem +1

    Damn, wasn't expecting real life Carthu.

    • @CarthusDojo
      @CarthusDojo  Před 21 dnem +2

      I’ve been on camera for like the last year+ of videos 😭😂

    • @TechnicallyChris
      @TechnicallyChris Před 20 dny +3

      @@CarthusDojo Lol in my defense, I binge your channel at work, so I haven't really seen. But damn, I've got some catching up to do.

  • @seeyee-weeyee
    @seeyee-weeyee Před 20 dny +1

    "You see freeza, you arent dealing with the average saiyan anymore"

  • @GuywithGlasses2
    @GuywithGlasses2 Před 25 dny +8

    Can I be in ur dojo

    • @CerealExperimentsMizuki
      @CerealExperimentsMizuki Před 24 dny

      I'd love to train with somebody who has Mastered every martial arts technique and merged them into one ultimate technique.

  • @patrickiamonfire965
    @patrickiamonfire965 Před 25 dny +6

    Fun fact: lot of history isn’t always written by the victors. For example after civil war in US there were conspiracist and groups. They tried to downplay the harsh treatment, spread misinformation through schools etc. Lot of these have effected people which have shaped their perspective.
    Lot of problems have ties to those people who were trying to establish the south.
    There are many instances where history is written by people who have lost or who didn’t have a stake.

  • @LavaCreeperPeople
    @LavaCreeperPeople Před 25 dny +5

    Who is ACTUALLY a Legendary Super Saiyan?

  • @drcjtonkin
    @drcjtonkin Před 24 dny +2

    You should do a video on:
    What is Goten and Trunks kept training

  • @deep-friedbutter2028
    @deep-friedbutter2028 Před 19 dny +1

    Story idea: what if Carthu and Salad Saiyan fought?

  • @Mosquito-n9m
    @Mosquito-n9m Před 25 dny +7

    Its me

  • @orangitotheman30
    @orangitotheman30 Před 22 dny +7

    Actually the legendary Super Saiyan is Goku since Toriyama's original plan was for Dragon Ball Z to end with the end of the Namek saga, so it is assumed that Goku would be the only one with the ability to transform into Super Saiyan

    • @BepoD.Bear25
      @BepoD.Bear25 Před 4 dny +2

      He never planned to end at the freeza saga

  • @Solesteam
    @Solesteam Před 24 dny +4

    I just divy them up into:
    The Super Saiyan of Legend (Yellow)
    The "Legendary" Super Saiyan (Green)
    LSSJ having nothing to do with the old passed down fable, but he's so overwhelmingly powerful and kinda fits the description the evil Saiyans came up with that he believed himself to be the true fufiller of the legend, only to be felled by the True Super Saiyan of Legend. Basically, Goku is like Yamoshi from a true perspective but Broly is what the victorious evil saiyans saw...

  • @AngrySinn
    @AngrySinn Před 23 dny +1

    Ngl you actually explained this perfectly. I'm gonna point to this whenever someone pops the question of "who's the legendary super Saiyan?"

  • @OrpheasVIPC
    @OrpheasVIPC Před 19 dny +1

    Carthu, did you forget about Frieza's buff form? You didn't mention it at all when talking about Cell

  • @kamenrangerzeo8251
    @kamenrangerzeo8251 Před 25 dny +7

    Well that was retcon during DBS Broly when he was born with a high power level and what makes him such a powerhouse is that he is considered a ‘mutant’ type saiyan, just born with a definitive power that can’t be explained.
    If you look at all three saiyans Goku, Vegeta and Broly they, in their own way, embody everything that Yamoshi had mind (UE Vegeta), body (LSSG Broly), spirit (UI Goku).

    • @glitch6436
      @glitch6436 Před 24 dny +2

      Holy cow, they're gonna fuse into yamoshi

    • @nickalas666
      @nickalas666 Před 24 dny

      😂😂😂 broly is not a legendary super Saiyan in z sure but now no

    • @nickalas666
      @nickalas666 Před 24 dny

      😂😂😂 broly is not a legendary super Saiyan in z sure but not now

    • @BassLiberators
      @BassLiberators Před 24 dny +1

      When do they call Broly a mutant?

    • @ohhellwhereami2574
      @ohhellwhereami2574 Před 24 dny

      Obviously they are gonna name an unusual infinitely powerful baby mutant, they never said which mutation tho
      It's not confirmed by writer

  • @TheBloccobill
    @TheBloccobill Před 25 dny +8

    I always thought broly's legendary super saiyan was complete bullshit

  • @SuperProHitechGaming
    @SuperProHitechGaming Před 23 dny +4

    1st~ Legendary Killer for Chilled - Bardock
    2nd ~Legendary Nightmare for Frieza - Goku / Kakarot
    3rd ~ Legendary Pure blooded Saiyan - Broly
    Conclusion - Goku is the Legendary Saiyan

  • @arjayabad1337
    @arjayabad1337 Před 13 dny +1

    Fun fact: In the Filipino Dub of DBZ, Mr. Satan was not called Mr. Satan, he was called “Master Pogi” (Master Handsome, in English)

  • @TurbotheFurbo
    @TurbotheFurbo Před 5 dny +1

    i dont think the Freeza Saga would be as good if at the end Goku became huge with green hair and just blew up everything

  • @curse5697
    @curse5697 Před 25 dny +9

    Cool, but then, what IS canon Broly? Just a prodigy?

    • @mdxque8393
      @mdxque8393 Před 25 dny +6

      A mutant. Kale might also be a mutant too.

    • @curse5697
      @curse5697 Před 25 dny +2

      @@mdxque8393 does the 1000 years between mutants is a thing then? or does it only apply for Kale?

    • @nickalas666
      @nickalas666 Před 24 dny +1

      ​@@curse5697only kale

    • @agenti4734
      @agenti4734 Před 24 dny +4

      @@curse5697 So Kale is a type of mutant from her universe so we can't use the same rules. Broly is a mutant because unlike Goku or Vegeta, whose skills get more refined as they fight, Broly's raw power is what is increasing rapidly.

    • @kindplanet1
      @kindplanet1 Před 24 dny +3

      Broly is a *”Mutant”* just like Frieza. Beings that are so powerful within their race they hardly need to train and gain a vast amount of power without training much.

  • @HarshitSharma-xg1me
    @HarshitSharma-xg1me Před 24 dny +4

    First of all Legendary Super Saiyan is Broly Non Canon Characters also more interesting than some canon characters so Broly for me is the legendary super Saiyan who born in every 1000 years.

  • @thememelord4235
    @thememelord4235 Před 24 dny +11

    Carthu was really butthurt about z broly

    • @ohhellwhereami2574
      @ohhellwhereami2574 Před 24 dny +9

      Fr this video is basically nah he ain't lssj eat my sock

    • @RackerTheRascalMashup
      @RackerTheRascalMashup Před 6 dny

      I mean, it makes kinda sense when people keep mixing continuities like it's interchangeable when it isn't, dragon ball canon is debatable but it's not dragon ball heroes where everything goes
      And like Carthu says, it undermines the entire Frieza saga

    • @ohhellwhereami2574
      @ohhellwhereami2574 Před 6 dny

      @@RackerTheRascalMashup it doesn't undermine it, it just makes usual saiyan warrior son goku being able to overcome even legend of legends with their righteous way of power and co op

  • @Kirbysansandbootlegsansshow

    9:44 i think what i mean by their own destruction i think is probably the heart attack after going on a rampage after being too angry can give you a heart attack

  • @Auron1Roxas2
    @Auron1Roxas2 Před 23 dny +2

    I don't think Kale should be a "wrong" legendary saiyan, since universe 6 has it's own legend, it's just a different legendary saiyan than the one we're used to.

    • @Paur
      @Paur Před 2 dny

      He seems bitter about the Brolys in general, and has a hard on for Goku being the actual legend.