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  • čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
  • I think Super Saiyan 3 is the most overrated form in Dragon Ball and it's not close.
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    Super Saiyan 3 is a bad transformation. Put down the pitchforks and just hear me out. First thing I have to make clear is if you think Super Saiyan 3 looks cool - I agree - in the anime at least. The manga was hit and miss for me. Speaking of the manga, I want to be clear my focus is really on Dragon Ball’s manga and by extension the manga accurate portions of Dragon Ball Z so the non-canon Dragon Ball Z movies? Those are fine with me - if anything Super Saiyan 3 is cooler in the two Dragon Ball Z movies it’s in than any other time in the series. So if those are your reasons for liking Super Saiyan 3, great! I love that for you but in terms of the story of Dragon Ball it’s a really big miss for me and I think I can explain why in three points. And more importantly, I want to end with how I think Super Saiyan 3 could’ve been better used - I don’t want this to be all negative.
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  • @CarthusDojo
    @CarthusDojo  Před měsícem +1600

    the video isn't even out yet and the comments are making up what i'm gonna say. oh yeah, this is gonna be a good one

    • @robertpalomera6409
      @robertpalomera6409 Před měsícem +22

      @@CarthusDojo definitely, absolutely 😂

    • @youreuberdriverishere8840
      @youreuberdriverishere8840 Před měsícem +12

      Fr

    • @ProofofAlvinProblems
      @ProofofAlvinProblems Před měsícem +4

      We all know a form that’s mid💀💀💀💀

    • @gtothem1850
      @gtothem1850 Před měsícem +29

      What did you expect? Dragon Ball fans don't even watch the show to make their arguments, and you expect them to wait and watch the video so to counter argument??

    • @VivPlayzX777
      @VivPlayzX777 Před měsícem +6

      Bruh Ssj 3 isn't the fault it could have defeated Fat Buu but Goku did stupidity

  • @kevinchan1429
    @kevinchan1429 Před měsícem +1740

    This video was sponsored by Vegeta

  • @Micerog
    @Micerog Před měsícem +1362

    “Eventually they would get betrayed and trapped in the time chamber”
    Heh… I understood that reference.

    • @dankerbell
      @dankerbell Před měsícem +68

      carthu's a db tuber, he's probably felt the temptation of making one of those videos before

    • @Thesemonkeys
      @Thesemonkeys Před měsícem

      @@dankerbellthose videos are dumb anyways, they’re all just unoriginal

    • @Micerog
      @Micerog Před měsícem +21

      @@dankerbell I mean he did…

    • @diamonshade7484
      @diamonshade7484 Před měsícem +2

      ​@@Micerogwhere

    • @Micerog
      @Micerog Před měsícem

      @@diamonshade7484 on his channel, he uploaded it on June 18th 2022

  • @jeremiahgreen5632
    @jeremiahgreen5632 Před měsícem +3402

    It's really irritating that no one uses ssj3 right. It's supposed to be used to finish a fight quickly, not to draw it out until stamina issues kick in.
    Either this, or no one wants to spend the time needed to master it.

    • @iceyspicey4802
      @iceyspicey4802 Před měsícem +397

      You're talking like you can go ssj3

    • @jacksonjack7838
      @jacksonjack7838 Před měsícem +111

      So its never ever been used right, even by its creator in its debut.

    • @rod_sunrise8907
      @rod_sunrise8907 Před měsícem +251

      ​​@@iceyspicey4802 They can dude. Goten and trunks fused specifically to use their CZcams account.

    • @Rem694u2
      @Rem694u2 Před měsícem +50

      @@jacksonjack7838 Nope, he completely missed the logic of the form's pro's and con's and attached energy limit to stay in the land of the living in it's debut. lol

    • @Entei9000
      @Entei9000 Před měsícem +24

      Gotenks may have fooled around against Super Buu but I don't think he was strong enough to finish him off with it anyway. As for Goku vs Kid Buu he was trying to end it fast but just couldn't because Buu was regenerating too fast.

  • @thelightseeker94
    @thelightseeker94 Před měsícem +252

    Goku's choice to prevent Gohan from saving Videl when she was getting stomped by Spopavich was his worst character moment in the series.

    • @Lifelight_
      @Lifelight_ Před měsícem +18

      @@InabaPrism Which matters much more than that girl's life!

    • @Mecha-Gamer-w3y
      @Mecha-Gamer-w3y Před měsícem +2

      @@Lifelight_ Ehh they have dragon balls,and second Goku would have saved Videl if they weren't in the tournament

    • @thelightseeker94
      @thelightseeker94 Před 28 dny +27

      @@Lifelight_ They joke about it in abridged but in canon goku was trying to keep everybody from using power because their ki was being used to revive majin buu. But Goku could kill spopavich in 1 hit so why not do it? That's why it's so bad.

    • @Chorongy-
      @Chorongy- Před 26 dny

      The meme tho

    • @RedMoonLoop
      @RedMoonLoop Před 16 dny

      ​@@thelightseeker94 they needed to follow spopovich to find babidi

  • @nOT_sURE08
    @nOT_sURE08 Před měsícem +80

    I always felt like Ss3 (and the buu arc as a whole) was toriyama having a laugh. Like he was parodying his own work.

    • @thelightseeker94
      @thelightseeker94 Před 25 dny +12

      @@nOT_sURE08 Toriyama wanted to end the story after Namek. But the series was so succesful. He was forced to do the Cell Saga. The fact he tried to kill Goku for good there was proof he was done. But again money made it go further into Buu and the poor writing was Toriyama being tired of his own work.

    • @AzaanPlayzTV
      @AzaanPlayzTV Před 17 dny +1

      @@thelightseeker94 fr tori was just done with dragon ball Z

    • @BassLiberators
      @BassLiberators Před dnem

      @@thelightseeker94 That's not true, Toriyama never wanted to end the manga until the end of the Buu saga. I believe this channel even covers it

  • @ashuraomega1000
    @ashuraomega1000 Před měsícem +756

    Ssj3 could've worked from a story perspective if it was built up. Like there's never a point in the Buu arc where Vegeta or any of the other characters think Goku is lying about his true power, there's never a point where the audience is led to believe that Goku is hiding something up his sleeve, there's not even a point where Goku alludes to using something he didn't want anyone else to know about. Having Goku be forced to reveal ssj3 to everyone when Buu attacks would have helped the form's significance.

    • @Ripperr_
      @Ripperr_ Před měsícem +74

      imagine if piccolo just had some small doubt that goku is telling the truth. it couldve fixed so many problems

    • @Lynxic
      @Lynxic Před měsícem +28

      Goten and Trunks think Goku is lying and is weak at this point in the story since they're upset that he didn't beat Boo right away and save Gohan and Vegeta. It feels more like the point of the form was to be a plot device to show the boys that Goku actually is the strongest rather than to be as story significant as SSJ1 and SSJ2.

    • @sethrod13
      @sethrod13 Před měsícem +10

      ​@Lynxic that and they never knew goku before that day so they were underestimating him

    • @giangargo669
      @giangargo669 Před měsícem +17

      in the anime vegeta tells goku he has felt a greater power from him when defeating yakon by increasing his ki, i think that could be forshadowing a little

    • @diamonshade7484
      @diamonshade7484 Před měsícem +3

      ​@@Ripperr_or vegeta 😂

  • @AhmedHussain-ju6xd
    @AhmedHussain-ju6xd Před měsícem +916

    Missed opportunity for goten and trunks not to perfect it and use it as their main form in super. Missed opportunity 😞

    • @NotJohnBoyzZ
      @NotJohnBoyzZ Před měsícem +79

      Toriyama disliked drawing all that hair. So he made it to where it “uses up too much energy” and SSG + above power creeps it (less hair to draw too)

    • @MountainMemelord
      @MountainMemelord Před měsícem +14

      Goten should get Super Saiyan Blue Full Power, (which would look similarly to Super Saiyan Rose Full Power from Heroes, but maybe swapping the tail for eyebrows) and Trunks should get Blue Evolution 3.

    • @VanillaFudge-r8y
      @VanillaFudge-r8y Před měsícem

      @@MountainMemelord blue Evolution 3 is made-up art. Personally i would Love it goten would get some spot light besides trunks. From time to time.

    • @undisclosedidentity9893
      @undisclosedidentity9893 Před měsícem +21

      Half Saiyans have higher potential than Full Blodded Saiyans
      So Goten mastering SSJ3 shouldn’t be much if an issue. He could even learn SSJB in a day

    • @MonkeBrain07
      @MonkeBrain07 Před měsícem +13

      Toyotarou would HATE drawing this form

  • @chefinabottle
    @chefinabottle Před měsícem +872

    With all the bullshit they like to pull, I honestly wouldn't have minded too much if he somehow managed to stableizde the form in BoG/Super. The form is undeniably trash in terms of usability, but there is something about it that does get me hyped up when he screams and the hair starts growing. Especially with how rarely he uses it. "Oh shit, he decided to pull this out?"

    • @spiritualMir
      @spiritualMir Před měsícem +29

      Bro the video not even out yet 😭😭

    • @jabradococonutfrosting9513
      @jabradococonutfrosting9513 Před měsícem

      ​@@spiritualMirPower of Membership!

    • @Xzilesenju
      @Xzilesenju Před měsícem +11

      I really like that take bro🤔

    • @dankerbell
      @dankerbell Před měsícem +18

      he did which is why he's chilling in the form when he gets ready to fight beerus but during the tournament he has no energy after eating his own spirit bomb and jiren beating his butt so he can't maintain it

    • @Sonicionx
      @Sonicionx Před měsícem +6

      @@dankerbellmakes sense

  • @danieldorvil7683
    @danieldorvil7683 Před měsícem +14

    Been waiting for this since the tease you did with TSO. I always to love to see my favorite CZcamsrs collab

  • @RysGameZ
    @RysGameZ Před měsícem +34

    Even though Super Saiyan 3 is my favorite transformation (Unless Kaioken was considered a transformation then that would be my fav.). I really like all your points here. I completely understand why you don't like Super Saiyan 3 and it doesn't really seem to be out of hate or anything. It’s more or less you wanting it to be better than what it was before.

    • @dankerbell
      @dankerbell Před 21 dnem +3

      i see kaio-ken as a technique, so blue kaio-ken is also not a separate form (mui is a form goku's body created to use the technique more effectively so that's different)

    • @bigbabado8296
      @bigbabado8296 Před 17 dny +1

      A DB fan with a good explanation for his points, great video

  • @luckytia9076
    @luckytia9076 Před měsícem +235

    To me SSJ3 always seemed like a super saiyan "glitch", a transformation which, unlike the 2 (technically 5) previous ones has a flaw that cannot be fixed in any way, that be the enormous energy drain (read a comment once that said how the transformation was like a punctured balloon where no matter how much air you blow into it it can't stay inflated and i think it sums it up perfectly). It seems as if Goku trained SO MUCH in the afterlife that the genetic code of the Saiyans forced the transformation, which should not and could not exist if Goku stayed alive while he developed it, this would justify both the huge flaws of the form and the sole exclusivity of the aforementioned to Goku (I don't count Gotenks because being a fusion it cannot be examined with the same criteria in my opinion)
    Still remains a dope ass looking form

    • @ScrabusZ
      @ScrabusZ Před měsícem +11

      What if he tried to contain the amount of Ki that was flowing out of his body (Like putting tape on the balloon) then when he wants to release all that energy, he releases the ki in the form of a powerful attack that will defeat the opponent (taking the tape off the balloon)?

    • @haydenbrown2076
      @haydenbrown2076 Před měsícem +10

      I find this theory very interesting and cool my take is more that ssj3 is the ssj2 user drawing out all the oozaru potential which super charges the form but it can(but still hasn’t) be mastered to control the energy like ssj4 hence why originally the form had a tail and shorter crazier hair based off its origin in ssj2 and oozaru to me ssj3 isn’t a glitch it’s more of a next evolution of ssj and oozaru

    • @ScrabusZ
      @ScrabusZ Před měsícem +1

      @@haydenbrown2076 It makes sense

    • @gokentopower4481
      @gokentopower4481 Před měsícem +17

      This theory is further proved by the fact Goku could only maintain the form while dead, being alive just straight up didn't work as he had working organs and needed ki, needed stamina and everything else, a form he achieved while DEAD had much worse drawbacks than he expected
      Which also makes sense why Gotenks is the only other user of SSJ3, Gotenks is a fusion of two Saiyans, he can maintain the pressure because it's literally double

    • @diamonshade7484
      @diamonshade7484 Před měsícem +1

      Ssb had the same issue

  • @treesnip5667
    @treesnip5667 Před měsícem +187

    I think one of the bigger issues with Super Saiyan 3 is that it seems really hard to draw. Out of all of the forms in Dragon Ball SSJ3 is the form I've seen drawn poorly the most.

    • @dankerbell
      @dankerbell Před měsícem +47

      this is the real reason

    • @CSwizzleDizzle
      @CSwizzleDizzle Před měsícem +32

      Super Saiyan 3 is an animator's worst nightmare, especially when working on a weekly tv series with bad management and crunch time.

    • @wifine1951
      @wifine1951 Před měsícem +17

      Same reason why cell has never been mentioned

    • @aeronjohntolosa1517
      @aeronjohntolosa1517 Před měsícem +7

      This is the main reason the form only showed up once in the Tournament of Power

    • @spiderverse7361
      @spiderverse7361 Před měsícem +1

      It made me sad that Vegeta never had Super Saiyan 3 in canon and Goku not using it against Jiren.

  • @Atrain204
    @Atrain204 Před měsícem +12

    Aaaaaaaannnd subscribed. Great video!
    As much as I love the design, I imagine it was a nightmare for the animators and Toriyama so that led to SS3s limited appearances. The movies made it look amazing.
    The form being a Gotenks exclusive is brilliant. However, I wonder how that would have changed the final battle with Kid Boo

  • @Meedgarza
    @Meedgarza Před měsícem +12

    0:25 i agree.

  • @AhmedHussain-ju6xd
    @AhmedHussain-ju6xd Před měsícem +623

    It might be mid, but the sheer hype I felt when goku whipped it out vs buu with falconers score was just *chefs kiss*

    • @luhhburg
      @luhhburg Před měsícem +42

      gang what 😭

    • @9xFalse
      @9xFalse Před měsícem

      you have the same last name as me

    • @SuperDeleto
      @SuperDeleto Před měsícem +68

      ​@@luhhburg"When Goku whipped it out" bro was NOT watching the right dragon ball Z.

    • @luhhburg
      @luhhburg Před měsícem +6

      @@SuperDeleto fr lmao 😭

    • @alejandroo.2358
      @alejandroo.2358 Před měsícem +15

      "when goku whipped it out" pause

  • @UnwantedGhost1-anz25
    @UnwantedGhost1-anz25 Před měsícem +196

    There's absolutely no way that this would be perceived as kicking the hornet's nest and provoke a mob after the premiere.

    • @vicentegeonix
      @vicentegeonix Před měsícem +5

      Gotta make people angry to get daamn views brother.

    • @TH3C001
      @TH3C001 Před měsícem

      Premiere?

  • @bizarrion
    @bizarrion Před měsícem +84

    Raiyuden gonna be so mad at you for this video lol

  • @arrownoir
    @arrownoir Před měsícem +3

    01:19 His eyes even changed.

  • @abnormal_gamer3
    @abnormal_gamer3 Před měsícem +5

    IMO Carthu’s dojo, Salad saiyan & Smugstick is top 3 greatest DB youtubers.

  • @TramaneCardellEchols
    @TramaneCardellEchols Před měsícem +182

    If cell couldn’t regenerate, he was toast when Goku used that instant transmission Kamehameha!!

    • @digitaladventurer2142
      @digitaladventurer2142 Před měsícem +55

      Yeah Vegeta actually would have won it with his Final Flash. Even though Cell survived missing half his upper body really would have sealed his loss

    • @zetset8098
      @zetset8098 Před měsícem +11

      If goku couldn't kamehameha, he was toast by everyone.... If Tien would be Angel he would beat Beerus. 🤡

    • @ojpickle5923
      @ojpickle5923 Před měsícem +8

      ​@@digitaladventurer2142he would have lost to 16 and the others if he couldn't regenerate his tail

    • @diamonshade7484
      @diamonshade7484 Před měsícem +2

      ​@@digitaladventurer2142Piccolo also ripped out his tail so cell could have been jumped

    • @diamonshade7484
      @diamonshade7484 Před měsícem +4

      ​@@ojpickle5923he would have received a jjk jumping especially since he 3rd partied the fight

  • @Jvz-t5e
    @Jvz-t5e Před měsícem +284

    I feel like this is more of a “Why Goku doesn’t make sense in the buu saga” rather than “why ssj3 kinda sucks”

    • @najadamu2724
      @najadamu2724 Před měsícem +91

      SS3 is a big part of that, though.

    • @brendansoucy2220
      @brendansoucy2220 Před měsícem +50

      @@najadamu2724 as Carthu himself says, a lot of the weirdness of SSJ3 is Goku Weirdness, because its presence acts as major character assassination, tho it does also apply the other way around

    • @Luh_katkat
      @Luh_katkat Před měsícem +8

      Ssj 3 just sucks lol

    • @blacklivesorblackvotes2985
      @blacklivesorblackvotes2985 Před měsícem

      @@najadamu2724 doesn’t change that Goku is the main issue, and should be addressed as such.

    • @nezu-4007
      @nezu-4007 Před měsícem +10

      @@Luh_katkat🤓

  • @InfiniteDimensions-gy7gv
    @InfiniteDimensions-gy7gv Před měsícem +191

    Another intresting way to look at ssj3 is via mark’s Buu saga review.
    He basically says that Akira’s writing style of extreme shock and surprise to drive the plot forward came back to bite him in the Buu saga, making it feel less clever and interesting, and a bit more contrived.
    Basically, ssj3 is an example of that, and any other problem related to it could just be him trying to explain the problems that would arise with its introduction, which end of making it look worse.
    It’s less character assassination and more Toriyama getting too ahead of himself and writing himself into a brick wall.

    • @najadamu2724
      @najadamu2724 Před měsícem +42

      I'd say it's still character assassination, but as a side-effect of its existence. Because it's a retcon that just unnecessarily makes Goku look more cocky, selfish, and dishonest than he was intended to be.

    • @InfiniteDimensions-gy7gv
      @InfiniteDimensions-gy7gv Před měsícem +2

      Pretty much.

    • @richborn6700
      @richborn6700 Před měsícem +2

      Mark is a pretentious hack

    • @yumin_pluto558
      @yumin_pluto558 Před měsícem +9

      @@najadamu2724 to refute both of you at the same time: Goku at the point where he could have shown off SSJ3 before was trying to assuage Vegeta’s pride, and lead him back to them, showing off SSJ3 may have just exacerbated that issue. After that he’s trying to train Goten and Trunks, he doesn’t need to transform to train them. While he could have immediately faced Buu, his personal arc in the Buu arc was that he was tired of saving Earth, he wanted a successor. He wanted the same with the Cell arc. The end of that is that Satan in the end saves the planet and he gains a successor in Uub.

    • @kosh974
      @kosh974 Před měsícem

      ​@@yumin_pluto558goku doesn't want Uub as a successor. He just wants to fight another strong guy. Vegeta says as much in the last chapter.

  • @haydes1285
    @haydes1285 Před měsícem +3

    I think it could potentially be redeemed in the future, like whis using it as a basis to help goku control his UI forms, that learning to control the drain of 3 first could be translated into learning to better control the same from UI, but as it is, it really has no place now as anything other than fan service (I’m far from up to date on manga, so sorry if these are already non-issues)

  • @RyomenSukuna259
    @RyomenSukuna259 Před měsícem +27

    Don't let Raiyuden see this💀💀

  • @coltchan7380
    @coltchan7380 Před měsícem +135

    Goku only used SSj3 four times in Super.

    • @Glaceon-I4C7E1
      @Glaceon-I4C7E1 Před měsícem +9

      Is that counting the time he used it on Merus in the Morro arc?

    • @coltchan7380
      @coltchan7380 Před měsícem +4

      @@Glaceon-I4C7E1 no

    • @taecampus
      @taecampus Před měsícem +40

      In the anime:
      Against Beerus, against future Trunks, that time when he and Krillin went to go train in that forest against past villains, and against Caulifla and Kale I believe.
      If we add the manga:
      Against Toppo, against 17, and against Merus I think 🤔

    • @SlickJarl.
      @SlickJarl. Před měsícem +10

      And vs Moro goons, he dropped into it accidentally

    • @taecampus
      @taecampus Před měsícem +6

      @@SlickJarl. I think I remember that! Good eye 👍

  • @taecampus
    @taecampus Před měsícem +22

    8:59
    "Betrayed and trapped in the time chamber," huh? Nice one 😅😂

  • @SuperDeleto
    @SuperDeleto Před měsícem +76

    Good points as always, Carthu. Also SSJ3 being a "Gotenks exclusive form" is actually not a bad idea...too bad Gotenks as a character is almost just as underutilized as SSJ3 in general...

    • @Gensolink
      @Gensolink Před měsícem +2

      fusion in general feels pretty useless overall as far as canon material goes. Like i'm pretty sure the only canon fusion W was against freaking Super Broly

    • @ninjanate5018
      @ninjanate5018 Před měsícem +7

      @@Gensolinkdon’t forget Vegito against Super Buu

    • @SuperDeleto
      @SuperDeleto Před měsícem +8

      @@ninjanate5018 I'd consider something like that an "unfinished match" or something like that. (The vegito fan in me want to be bias so badly...but I won't listen).

    • @SuperDeleto
      @SuperDeleto Před měsícem +5

      @@Gensolink Yeah. It's like all they know how to is "have the fusion show up, talk shit, do something cool, and lose" over and over again. Even in some non-canon material, it happens over and over again (especially with my boi Vegito. 😭 Though I've noticed not even Gogeta can escape this treatment sometimes).

    • @Gaiou0331
      @Gaiou0331 Před měsícem +2

      YEAH! I have also felt annoyed at the way they kept making the fusions show up just to not let them finish what they were called for even though THEY COULD HAVE.
      Like do something else, damn.

  • @ThePlushLeauge
    @ThePlushLeauge Před měsícem +4

    can you make a vid were you rewrite dragon ball keeping all core stuff in the show but fixing anything you thought weird or fixing plot holes

  • @bobzillagorilla
    @bobzillagorilla Před měsícem +2

    I disagree. Ssj3 narratively portrays super Saiyan in general has reached its limit, Goku didn't use it against Vegeta because he knew it would make his time on earth run dry quicker and only pulled it out against buu to stall. Goku didn't want to just beat Buu he wanted to find the successor to himself (because he's dead and can't be relied on to save the earth). Goku only finds out about the stamina drain effects of it after he becomes alive again because being dead he had unlimited stamina so it wasn't an issue. The conclusion of the arc basically teaches the audience and Goku that the hardest battles need to be fought together and can't be won alone via the spirit bomb and vegita and Hercule helping. Ssj3 specifically makes the arc work imo.

    • @bobzillagorilla
      @bobzillagorilla Před měsícem

      Ssj3 is my favorite transformation for the same reasons I like pre timeskip Luffy's gears, they're powerful but come with a drawback or a side effect (why I like kaioken aswell). It would be dumb if all the sudden Goku got past the drawbacks of the form and could use it effortlessly it would just make it the same as the other 2 but just looks different. Imo ssj blue Is wayyy more boring and overrated. Stylistically its just a hair color change and doesn't do anything narratively other than just show that oh they trained and are stronger than regular ssj God but in doing that just makes ssj god completely irrelevant. I liked in battle of the gods that after the god ritual ran out Goku didn't notice and was still fighting at a higher strength despite only being ssj1 but that was completely thrown out as a concept in favor of oh his hair is blue now and he's stronger. Idk it's lame and ssj3 the goat

  • @Anonymice
    @Anonymice Před měsícem +100

    i really don't think it's overrated. it gets shat on all the time after its first appearance in canon with ridiculous "stamina limits" and never even defeated anybody. plus, like you said, it makes goku seem worse than he is. ss3 is emblematic of toriyama's resentment of goku's heroics. reminder: this is the goku that when told by piccolo that gohan hates fighting and just wants goku to save him, forsakes the idea of a fair fight and tries to heal up so they can gang up on cell and finish the fight permanently. goku legitimately thought gohan would want this and that achieving this victory on his own would be good for gohan.

    • @dankerbell
      @dankerbell Před měsícem +14

      he meant overrated by fans which is absolutely true, people love posting shots of it in the movies then taking out of context shots from the early episodes of super and going "we used to be a real society what happened" and people will always come to its defence like you're doing right now whenever someone brings up it being useless and ugly

    • @romart03
      @romart03 Před měsícem +16

      @@dankerbell people liking it despite its flaws doesnt make it overrated, also it may be useless but definitely not ugly, its one of the most majestic forms in dragon ball

    • @rift3487
      @rift3487 Před měsícem +2

      @@romart03idk man it always looked goofy to me. The long hair just felt way too over the top and I know it’s dragonball but like even then it just felt a bit too much for me

    • @EndoScorpion
      @EndoScorpion Před měsícem +2

      @@rift3487 Thats the exact word I used in my comment. "Goofy".
      It's one of the ugliest forms in all DB. I get everyone had different tastes but this is just... it just looks to dumb and silly and an R word I'm probably not allowed to say.

    • @vicentegeonix
      @vicentegeonix Před měsícem +4

      ​@@EndoScorpionwell you have bad taste but the good thing Is that is only your opinion.

  • @StardustBlazer
    @StardustBlazer Před měsícem +186

    Oh boy.. This is definitely going to cause a dilemma. Why do I feel like the finger is going to be pointed at SS3 when that form gets almost as much slander as Blue? I'm surprised SS4 isn't on there with how butthurt fans easily get when it comes to any criticism to the form. 🤔

    • @therealguyfr
      @therealguyfr Před měsícem +56

      Fr. I called ss4 overrated in a poll, in my opinion it is, and I got raided by a bunch of nostalgia meat riders acting like 9 year olds.

    • @StardustBlazer
      @StardustBlazer Před měsícem +2

      @@therealguyfr You'd be surprised at the other 2 or 3.

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku Před měsícem +18

      @@therealguyfr they just like it because it was pretty much the only new form in GT and looked kinda unique and cool.

    • @nerdy_boy2785
      @nerdy_boy2785 Před měsícem +47

      @@therealguyfrThe problem is people associate something being overrated as bad which is not the case. Something can be overrated and good, people just look for any reason to argue. But you are right ss4 is overrated.

    • @Wizofmincraft
      @Wizofmincraft Před měsícem +6

      @@nerdy_boy2785 fr people hear overrated and think it means something is bad… some ppl need a dictionary on hand

  • @RetroMagnus761
    @RetroMagnus761 Před měsícem +34

    I've always seen Goku not beating Buu with ssj3 as an enforcement of the fact that Buu couldn't be beaten with pure power and that it took teamwork in order to finish him off. It makes sense when you think about it.

    • @riqopowpow
      @riqopowpow Před měsícem +7

      @@RetroMagnus761 it makes sense when you think, something this guy doesn't do often.

    • @GabrielMartins-wr5pk
      @GabrielMartins-wr5pk Před měsícem +12

      makes sense but they didnt make any effort to tell that,makes me believe they didnt have that in mind

    • @dreemurrprince
      @dreemurrprince Před měsícem +22

      Except its made clear by goku not once but twice that SSJ3 goku COULD have beaten fat buu, which just makes it “man goku’s stupid.”

    • @UninterestingPerson-to3jo
      @UninterestingPerson-to3jo Před měsícem +2

      ​@@dreemurrprinceand then they slap this idea in the face as Goku couldn't beat Kid Buu,now imagine trying to beat a dumber super Buu (fat Buu initially) Goku would get bodied.

    • @dreemurrprince
      @dreemurrprince Před měsícem +2

      @@UninterestingPerson-to3jo well thats sort of different. Dead Goku could beat fat buu, and maybe even kid buu (heavy debatable but possible) but alive goku can’t. This is explained as SS3 being easier to use with a dead body.
      unless im misunderstanding your reply in which case im being a dumbass so correct me

  • @RealYoHanns
    @RealYoHanns Před měsícem +7

    Raiyuden is coming after you 💀💀💀

  • @crimson_1234
    @crimson_1234 Před 29 dny +3

    carthu you should do “what is goku landed on brolys planet?” i think it would be pretty interesting

    • @CarthusDojo
      @CarthusDojo  Před 29 dny +8

      he'd die to the monsters on vampa or be killed by paragus. i made a short about it awhile back

    • @crimson_1234
      @crimson_1234 Před 28 dny +1

      @@CarthusDojo oh well at least you replied

  • @matti.8465
    @matti.8465 Před měsícem +33

    I don't understand the decision of introducing a new transformation, hyping it up, then making it useless in-universe.
    You could say the same about the Super Saiyan grades, but those were always supposed to suck. SJJ3 is supposed to be cool yet it isn't.

    • @nerdy_boy2785
      @nerdy_boy2785 Před měsícem

      Yeah dragon ball is notorious for doing that lol 😂

    • @MustacheDLuffy
      @MustacheDLuffy Před měsícem +1

      I think it was cool. Dragon ball super just made it lame

    • @blacklivesorblackvotes2985
      @blacklivesorblackvotes2985 Před 20 dny

      @@MustacheDLuffy it was always lame. It’s basically the Kaioken of Ssj forms: Pointless in the grand scheme of things.

  • @ANotSoPopularMan
    @ANotSoPopularMan Před měsícem +112

    This thumbnail is making me start to wild out bro. Ssj and Ssjg thumb downing is so odd.

    • @Micerog
      @Micerog Před měsícem +19

      They’re the best saiyan transformations

    • @SuperDeleto
      @SuperDeleto Před měsícem +11

      ​@@MicerogGod is a good form, but It's not even top 3.

    • @Micerog
      @Micerog Před měsícem +15

      @@SuperDeleto it’s literally n.2 saiyan form after normal super saiyan, it has a huge story behind it, it is a gate to a whole new world of power, and most of all it’s the form that revived dragon ball, and to many fans, it’s the first form they actually watched being obtained.
      And if you are about to say ssj4… just don’t… other than a kinda cool design it has nothing.

    • @Wizofmincraft
      @Wizofmincraft Před měsícem +24

      @@SuperDeleto It’s most definitely top 3 😂

    • @SuperDeleto
      @SuperDeleto Před měsícem +9

      @@Micerog The lore behind the form is great (though slightly confusing at times), and personally, I like it's design (especially the red, flame-like Aura). But the only reason I don't wanna put this form any higher than 4 is due to how poorly handled it was after BoG (mainly the anime. Manga SSG is actually pretty good). Another thing I don't like about the form is it's name. If it were called "saiyan god" instead, I think that'd make more sense considering the form still keeps Base Goku's hairstyle.

  • @anormalguy8567
    @anormalguy8567 Před měsícem +18

    Am i tweaking or was the thumbnail 2 gokus pointing at SS3 goku instead of vegeta and goku pointing at gotenks just 2 minutes ago??

    • @dankerbell
      @dankerbell Před měsícem +8

      it still is in his community post, sometimes youtubers change thumbnails because it helps with the algorithm but i also heard there's a system to upload multiple thumbnails so different people get different ones to help with attracting viewers

  • @deandrulias5812
    @deandrulias5812 Před měsícem +27

    Super Sayin 3 is meaningful to me because its the first form that really captured Goku's Angelic personality he had throughout all of DB and DBZ into a Power Up form. He usually had his halo up alot of the time in SSj3.
    As a power up its an energy burner 1 shot K.O. form in IMO; w/o an other world body.

  • @TheImmortalBloodwolf
    @TheImmortalBloodwolf Před 14 dny +1

    From what I understand, and correct me if I'm wrong, but Goku didn't realize that super Saiyan 3 had those downsides at the time because they weren't present when he was both DEAD and IN OTHER WORD aka the after life... A dead Saiyan spirit in the realm where such Spirits are supposed to exist doesn't have any downsides to Super Saiyan 3, the downsides only started when Goku returned to earth, during which he had to comply with the laws of physics as they exist in the realm of the living...
    Goku had zero idea his super Saiyan 3 form even HAD downsides because he developed it in other world after he died. This showed that Goku had been keeping up his training after he died, he just forgot about a few things that he hadn't encountered in a while....
    "Typical kakarot" completely in character for him to make such a mistake...

  • @H4L0GUY117
    @H4L0GUY117 Před měsícem +8

    4:51 carthu i'm like 99% sure you've mentioned somewhere that super saiyan 3 has the stamina drain when goku used it because when he got the form in the afterlife he didn't know it was so draining because, well he was dead...

  • @TheJstee
    @TheJstee Před měsícem +10

    Some people here don't know the difference between hating a form and overrating a form

  • @rollsreus3978
    @rollsreus3978 Před měsícem +21

    THATS IT!! IVE HEARD ENOUGH
    RELEASE THE RAIYUDEN

  • @creativename_
    @creativename_ Před měsícem +21

    Why do i feel like Carthu and TotallyNotMark are literally the only people who understand this franchise

    • @bluntsummary1666
      @bluntsummary1666 Před 14 dny +2

      Lol cause unlike Dragon-ball Z "fans" they actually read and watch the source material instead of fan theories and out of context shorts.

  • @Dbz_4_Life
    @Dbz_4_Life Před měsícem +3

    That’s exactly how I felt. Tbh never was a fan of ssj3. I love the look but it hardly used and Gonu never mastered it. People say ssj3 was made irrelevant in super but it wasn’t really relevant in z either

  • @FirstNameLastName-gq4tb
    @FirstNameLastName-gq4tb Před měsícem +30

    Crazy how only Cumber has done the form justice by actually mastering it. And he isn’t even canon. The way goku’s ssj3 hair didn’t move one bit when he brought it out in the TOP, you can tell they wrote it to be shafted because they didn’t want to draw and animate the hair. Hopefully gotenks (or goten and trunks individually) can master it if the animators find a way to draw it more easily or if they just get over it lol.
    And ngl ssjg got shafted too

    • @FirstNameLastName-gq4tb
      @FirstNameLastName-gq4tb Před měsícem +2

      Also, they’re of course making it seem like caulifla will do ssj3 justice which would be nice. Although a big oversight is that ssj3 channels the oozaru’s power (which most people tend to forget) and universe 6 saiyans biologically don’t have anything to do with the great ape. But whatever

    • @Wizofmincraft
      @Wizofmincraft Před měsícem +6

      @@FirstNameLastName-gq4tb Are you sure it channels the oozaru’s power? Pretty sure it was just a visual spectacle more than anything just like how goku going mui was

    • @FirstNameLastName-gq4tb
      @FirstNameLastName-gq4tb Před měsícem +6

      @@Wizofmincraft yeah, goku’s and gotenks’ voices become rougher when in ssj3 and the loss of the eyebrows is to make them look more like the great ape. The original design of ssj3 even shows the tail grow back (which I wish happened), on top of the long hair and no eyebrows

    • @dankerbell
      @dankerbell Před měsícem +4

      @@Wizofmincraft there's no confirmation of it in canon that's for sure, everything he's said sounds a little speculative

    • @diamonshade7484
      @diamonshade7484 Před měsícem +1

      ​facts, all that scream and he didn't regrow his tail seems like a missed opportunity

  • @Demonetizedat3am
    @Demonetizedat3am Před měsícem +42

    Bro dropping slander on my birthday 😭

  • @KayaEmpire
    @KayaEmpire Před měsícem +42

    0:03 "don't leave an angry comment or a death threat" 😂💀

  • @MartinMcKeown-yt3qs
    @MartinMcKeown-yt3qs Před měsícem +3

    Hey Carthu I’m guessing you know about Sparkling Zero and the what if goku went super saiyan in the saiyan saga what’s your thoughts on it since you did that already

  • @Kirbysansandbootlegsansshow

    2:35 okay now i get what whis mean by "your weakness is your arrogance"

  • @theemeraldninja5038
    @theemeraldninja5038 Před měsícem +8

    Therapist: "Goku with a widow's peak isn't real. He can't hurt you."
    Goku with a widow's peak: 0:12

  • @catlord2395
    @catlord2395 Před měsícem +28

    Back after watching, I agree tbh. Ssj3 should have TOTALLY been a gotenks exclusive, as in its definitely accessible by other characters like goku and vegeta, they just don’t use it, seeing its major flaws and issues and deciding to not even waste their time on it, moving on to their more powerfull, and sometimes even more efficient, SSGod forms, while goten and trunks use ssj3 as a kind of crutch until they can get stronger on their own.

  • @BrawlStarsAndDragonBall
    @BrawlStarsAndDragonBall Před měsícem +61

    Super Saiyan 3 is not worst, it's the least best

    • @dankerbell
      @dankerbell Před měsícem +12

      honestly good way of putting it because even if it's my least favourite form, i do love the transformation scenes a lot

    • @blacklivesorblackvotes2985
      @blacklivesorblackvotes2985 Před měsícem

      So it’s the worst. Nice try tho.

    • @noobsysys
      @noobsysys Před měsícem

      whats the worst in your opinion?? mine is ssb

    • @noreenfatima6163
      @noreenfatima6163 Před měsícem

      ​@@noobsysysBeast

    • @blacklivesorblackvotes2985
      @blacklivesorblackvotes2985 Před 20 dny

      It’s not the least best. That would imply it’s good. It’s not. However, yes, it’s not the worst. Super Saiyan blue is, but you’re coping with this word play tbh.

  • @hectorquinonez2215
    @hectorquinonez2215 Před měsícem +32

    I like the idea of ssj3 being a gotenks exclusive form

  • @maththrive
    @maththrive Před měsícem +2

    I understand that the Goku SS3 fight with Buu at its introduction wasn’t supposed to be a real battle but man, I felt like the Cell Saga all the way up to the Buu saga just had some weak choreography. It’s just big move after big move. Feet to the face of android 19, absorbing Picollo’s arm, punching android 17 where you can see his back, Gohan doing a few punches on Cell, then a Ki struggle, and now a cool transformation by Goku only to Yo-yo the antagonist… Like what does SS3 Goku do other than hit harder and get tired quickly.

  • @72SinSae
    @72SinSae Před měsícem +4

    LMAO. the betrayed and trapped in the time chamber really killed me XD

  • @EdgyTheHedgy891
    @EdgyTheHedgy891 Před měsícem +37

    That's why I really like manga version of super saiyan blue
    Hear me out
    Super saiyan blue in the dbs manga is super saiyan 3 done right
    They introduce this really powerful but very impractical form, that drains to much stamina and drops it's power to fast
    So Goku and Vegeta try to come up with a way around this weakness by using super saiyan god and switching blue on and off during attacks
    And then goku comes up with a better permanent solution by mastering super saiyan blue and releasing the form's full potential
    And only after that we were introduced to a step forward with blue kaioken and blue evolution

    • @NoName......
      @NoName...... Před měsícem

      He never used ssbk in the manga did he?

    • @EdgyTheHedgy891
      @EdgyTheHedgy891 Před měsícem +5

      @@NoName...... Weeeeell he sorta did
      During the tournament of power he does use something like that
      He calls it kaioken blue (maybe I misremember the name, but there definitely was kaioken in it) but there is no red and blue aura like in the anime

    • @farizr.batarai8271
      @farizr.batarai8271 Před měsícem +8

      ​@@NoName......he used a similar principal but yeah they should have just have him use ssbkk

    • @blacklivesorblackvotes2985
      @blacklivesorblackvotes2985 Před měsícem

      @@EdgyTheHedgy891 he doesn’t use Kaioken blue in the manga. He just powers up and Krillin says it’s similar to the Kaioken, but it’s not the actual Kaioken. Also, SSB in the manga makes no sense. The form is supposed to be about perfect Ki control. Giving it a stamina problem is nonsensical. Idk why they even did that. Super Saiyan blue is just a poorly written and inconsistent transformation no matter which continuity.

    • @MinhLe19303
      @MinhLe19303 Před měsícem +3

      @@farizr.batarai8271 It is Kaioken Blue. The manga guide and official website confirmed this. The manga version portrayed Kaioken more of a common principle of increase strength and speed from the user's reserve at the cost of stamina and hurting the user's body, unlike the anime where it was more of a specific technique.

  • @Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1024
    @Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1024 Před měsícem +40

    It can't be overrated if it's overhated

    • @ultrainstinctgokuhope7442
      @ultrainstinctgokuhope7442 Před měsícem +3

      No, idk about that, super saiyan blue overcome that of hated

    • @dankerbell
      @dankerbell Před měsícem +2

      it's not overhated because people like you immediately jump to its defence when someone suggests that good transformation scenes don't make a good form, it should be hated but it isn't

    • @ultrainstinctgokuhope7442
      @ultrainstinctgokuhope7442 Před měsícem +2

      @dankerbell
      Super saiyan blue, got hated because it overshadow super saiyan god, broke powerscale, lose so much,
      Super saiyan 3, lose once didn't beat main villain, have movie that have sick line and badass look and was loved and gt show how powerful it is

  • @diogomartins9201
    @diogomartins9201 Před měsícem +1

    Loved the video, and agree with everything!
    In Super, when Trunks and Goku spared and he used SSJ3, i expected Trunks to learn that form, to help the fight against Zamasu instead of SS Rage. With a few small changes to the story, we could have had more developement for SS3 instead of the dumb and unexplainable SS Rage.

  • @tairenk.3996
    @tairenk.3996 Před měsícem +1

    Hey, that Faulconer SSJ3 theme still slaps though.

  • @janhamo8652
    @janhamo8652 Před měsícem +7

    Raiyuden crying watching this video.

  • @Multiversal2010
    @Multiversal2010 Před měsícem +24

    I personally like the form, for some reason, but it is so bad 💀 the fact that he couldn’t even beat any of the buu forms with it, (except for fat buu cause he didn’t want too.) makes it seem on par with Ssj 2. It was a very random idea, cause before he said he was going all out against Vegeta, but NOPE! He Has SSJ 3 Now! It would have been better if it didn’t exist, even though I like it.

    • @gojirarex5138
      @gojirarex5138 Před měsícem +5

      I mean there's an obvious reason why you like it.
      It looks cool.

    • @nerdy_boy2785
      @nerdy_boy2785 Před měsícem +2

      Like the guy said above me, you can like a form for how it looks and not how it performs.

  • @SonicTheDutchHedgehog
    @SonicTheDutchHedgehog Před měsícem +14

    I absolutely agree with the Gotenks thing, if they were to unlock ssj3 instead of goku, it would just be a better fit and it doesn't ruin goku as a character, then again most of the buu saga was pretty messed up, but i still like it lol.

  • @Atrakin-i7l
    @Atrakin-i7l Před měsícem +8

    Is it cool: yes
    Does it make sense narratively: no
    Will I still Iike ssj3: ABSOLUTELY

  • @ImeanWhoElse
    @ImeanWhoElse Před měsícem +2

    I don't disagree with his criticisms, but I also walk away from this vid thinking Carthu believes the Buu saga and Goku, at this time, are 🗑️. That's the problem with A LOT of this type coverage.
    Some people don't care about the narrative flaws that were pointed out. Some people think the form looks dope. Some thought Goku shaking the planet and going from Ozaru to a baby was dope😂 Some thought the theme music slapped. Some thought Sean Schemmel screaming his lungs out for 10 minutes was hype 😂
    For A LOT of DB fans, it jus ain't that deep. Sometimes Rule of Cool wins the day.
    RIP Toriyama. Even when he missed, he hit. SSJ3 was a prime example. That ridiculous form had us going crazy when it happened.

    • @user-tg5yh4cq1z
      @user-tg5yh4cq1z Před měsícem

      The anime was definitely firing on all cylinders when Goku went SSJ3.
      The Dragon Ball anime's production was at its peak during the Buu arc. Can't say the same for the manga.

  • @StardustBlazer
    @StardustBlazer Před měsícem +25

    I called it. Now, I need one about SS4 all things considered with what you've explained. Cause it falls in a similar scenario.

    • @chuviis3508
      @chuviis3508 Před měsícem +13

      It's crazy how Toei could come something incredible like SSJ4 and they FUMBLE it in the next arcs after the baby arc, it's ridiculous 💀

    • @Randomergoesbrrrr
      @Randomergoesbrrrr Před měsícem

      i mean ss4 is more like blue if it had build up since it quickly becomes the form goku uses when the weakest ennemy appears, like blue

    • @hbshadow8981
      @hbshadow8981 Před měsícem +8

      @@Randomergoesbrrrrsaying its used against the weakest enemy is kinda a stretch considering GT scaling post baby arc where every villain is pretty much stronger that his base-ssj3 with a few exceptions like oceanus or haze shenron where he mainly fought in his base

    • @dankerbell
      @dankerbell Před měsícem +4

      trueee, ssj4 gets just as glazed if not more so because of the way it looks and the fact that gt fans really hate super so whenever someone mentions it they have to mention how much better ssj4 is than every single form in all of super

    • @Who4reU
      @Who4reU Před měsícem

      ​@@dankerbell GT fans are the masters of whataboutism

  • @ultramanraze3521
    @ultramanraze3521 Před měsícem +12

    Overrated more like Overhated😭

  • @BurrtoDaApe
    @BurrtoDaApe Před měsícem +17

    For me SS3 came out of nowhere and was like:"I'm here. Now get used to it."

    • @Randomergoesbrrrr
      @Randomergoesbrrrr Před měsícem +11

      not really, SS3 is the kid that almost never comes to class
      SS blue is like what you said

    • @Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman
      @Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman Před měsícem +1

      ​@@Randomergoesbrrrr fair enough

    • @MajinUltraEgo
      @MajinUltraEgo Před měsícem

      ​@@RandomergoesbrrrrSS3 is still exactly what he said, don't be biased just because you are mad at SSB 🤣

  • @Riyokintyu
    @Riyokintyu Před 12 hodinami

    The biggest reason that it didn’t become a more used form is that it is harder to draw and animate.

  • @thunderhog45
    @thunderhog45 Před měsícem +1

    I love the SSJ3 transformation so much visually and even his voice. Him turning SS3 was iconic. I agree with your points and wish the form had any sort of use

  • @Bengt2509
    @Bengt2509 Před měsícem +8

    challenge for other commenters name one good thing about ssj3 outside of the z movies and its first ever appearance

    • @theringmaster6434
      @theringmaster6434 Před měsícem +6

      I could name a few things:
      1. Awesome design
      2. Gave us an awesome fight against Kid Buu
      3. Gave us a great fight between Gotenks and Super Buu (and would’ve beaten Buu if it weren’t for Gotenks cockiness)
      4. Was able to open a portal between realities (which was groundbreaking at the time)
      5. The whole “issue” of Draining stamina has basically been fixed so technically Goku could use it and should use it more often when playing around with a weaker enemy (but doesn’t for some reason ‘cause they pretty much forget about it)
      6. Don’t forget those gorgeous long locks
      And those are just a few things, I could mention more, but I think I’ve proven my point.

    • @yan_dj
      @yan_dj Před měsícem +3

      The fact that you're even commenting this further shows that SSJ3 is UNDERRATED not overrated

    • @Bobby-lo3kj
      @Bobby-lo3kj Před měsícem

      ​@theringmaster6434 so it's just cool? Cool

    • @Bobby-lo3kj
      @Bobby-lo3kj Před měsícem +9

      ​@yan_dj this is the top 3 forms for most ppl who watch db based of pure coolness and movie feats it's definitely overrated

    • @dasherdude101
      @dasherdude101 Před měsícem

      If ss3 didn't drag things out and ended it then there is no Vegito

  • @TheMonkeKing777
    @TheMonkeKing777 Před měsícem +4

    Dam Now SS3 Gotenks Is In The Thumbnail Instead of SS3 Goku

  • @fatatatatau364
    @fatatatatau364 Před měsícem +3

    carthu took that opinion a little too personal

  • @King_Sussy
    @King_Sussy Před měsícem +1

    The title is wrong because Super Saiyan 3 is a form in Dragon Ball Z, not Dragon Ball

    • @CarthusDojo
      @CarthusDojo  Před měsícem +2

      Dragon Ball is the franchise name but also "Dragon Ball Z" is an anime thing. The original manga is just called Dragon Ball from Goku meeting Bulma to Goku leaving with Uub. Some localizations of the manga split the two but it's not like that originally.

    • @King_Sussy
      @King_Sussy Před měsícem +2

      @@CarthusDojo I keep forgetting the manga is "Dragon Ball" and not "Dragon Ball Z", my bad
      Also, Super Saiyan 3 is still my favourite form no matter what, it's the coolest looking form that isn't Super Saiyan 4

  • @BeyBattleXx5925
    @BeyBattleXx5925 Před měsícem +1

    0:13 rocking that McDonalds hairline

  • @hamzatahir2610
    @hamzatahir2610 Před měsícem +4

    0:33 pause and look

  • @Mist
    @Mist Před měsícem +8

    SSJ3 being a form only Gotenks can achieve also makes sense considering how much stronger fusion should be than Goku but also it being the strongest Super saiyan form canonically can also be a reason as of why it's unstable

  • @EndoScorpion
    @EndoScorpion Před měsícem +5

    Agree with everything in the video, except one thing: SSJ3 is UGLY AF! It's one of the worst looking forms in all Dragon Ball, alongside the goofy and bland-looking Beast Gohan.
    I dont' get why the hair grows so long, never before in a SSJ transformation has hair grow, just stood up more. Beast shares this growth issue and it just looks silly. Like a really bad cosplay. And wtf is with the lack of eyebrows? It doesn't make him look more "beastly" or "raw", it just makes him look dumb.
    The fact it doesn't achieve anything either, and has glaringly obvious drawbacks akin to the bulky grade-3 Trunks tried to use against Cell.... I just really don't understand (nor care to, before people try to explain it) why people think it's good in any way.
    The Cell saga had some mirroring between timelines (like Gohan losing the use of his left arm, Goku dying, Cell killing Trunks - all happening across timelines). Even the Buu saga had similar "nods" to previous events like the fights on Babidii's ship (the whole x10 gravity thing and Vegeta winning being a nod to the Saiyan saga; Goku using SSJ to defeat his opponent was the only way he was able to win against Frieza; and Gohan's inexperience leading to the fights between Cell and Dabura dragging on long than needed, leading to Vegeta getting involved and making things worse). So... it would make sense for this timeline's Trunks to use the SSJ3 form as a nod to Future Trunks trying, and failing, to use Grade 3.

  • @eclipseslayer98
    @eclipseslayer98 Před měsícem +1

    One more thing that would improve your SSJ3 use idea, is that if SSJ simpy required far more training to use than the other forms. That would make Gotenk's SSJ3 kinda like a sunk cost fallacy where nobody else wants to use it since it requires so much training, but Gotenks doesn't want to stop training and improving it because he's already so invested in it to the point where it does become good. It would keep it as a form mostly for him, while also making it useful.

  • @tykofgin
    @tykofgin Před dnem

    Goku at the start of the arc: being equally strong as majin vegeta ssj2
    End of the arc: fighting pure majin buu in ssj2 and being in a whole different league

  • @epicDiggs
    @epicDiggs Před měsícem +12

    I'm not gonna lie, I was gonna leave a big comment about how the form was perfect for Gotenks

    • @DarienGyan
      @DarienGyan Před 18 dny

      Ssj3 is soo perfect for Gotenks

  • @TheWaffle64
    @TheWaffle64 Před měsícem +4

    "This thing isn't actually that cool" *Literally the coolest thing ever*

  • @draconicanimations2381
    @draconicanimations2381 Před měsícem +9

    what about ssj2

  • @GoldenScouter
    @GoldenScouter Před měsícem +1

    Other than movies 12 and 13, SS3 doesn't really accomplish much. Its just cool looking, like the user is a part of a badass metal/rock band. I enjoyed this vid, great job.

  • @waleedabdullahkhan5706
    @waleedabdullahkhan5706 Před měsícem +2

    Betrayed and trapped in the time chamber 😂😂😂 classic

  • @user-fj7mi8fj1y
    @user-fj7mi8fj1y Před měsícem +5

    No matter what super Saiyan 3 will always be my fav transformation, all real dragon ball fans love all the forms and transformation

    • @callummccarthy7058
      @callummccarthy7058 Před měsícem +7

      You don’t need to be a “real dragon ball fan” to understand the obvious flaws with the story and thus certain forms.

    • @Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman
      @Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman Před měsícem

      ​​@@callummccarthy7058 fr, he sounds like a dumb mouth breather

    • @tomato5049
      @tomato5049 Před měsícem

      Except the Blue form which sucks ass in the anime

  • @stealcool
    @stealcool Před měsícem +6

    Overrated??? I think next video should be titled “Learning the English Dictionary”

    • @RenatoRevisadas
      @RenatoRevisadas Před měsícem +1

      Mind to elaborate?

    • @stealcool
      @stealcool Před měsícem

      @@RenatoRevisadas he misused the word overrated. Ssj3 is anything but overrated and is one of the most hated transformations.

    • @farizr.batarai8271
      @farizr.batarai8271 Před měsícem +1

      Really all i see people is liking ssj3?

    • @interloper9589
      @interloper9589 Před měsícem +1

      ​@@stealcool I've seen plenty of comments saying how SSJ3 was amazing because it looks cool, conveniently ignoring the writing part of it...
      Also in some of the "best form in db?" polls I get in my feed SSJ3 gets voted higher than UI at times

  • @keybladegames_real
    @keybladegames_real Před měsícem +11

    This is a joke right? When was super saiyan 3 overrated? The form that is TRULY overrated is super saiyan 4. That form isnt that special yet GT fans treat it like its the best thing ever. All it is is saiyans in a furry outfit.

    • @beegdawg
      @beegdawg Před měsícem +2

      They only treat it as the best thing because of the Budokai/Budokai Tenkaichi games.. lmao
      But symbolically, it sure is a better form!

    • @keybladegames_real
      @keybladegames_real Před měsícem +3

      @@beegdawg it's not even that great. I even question the color choices. How do you go from a golden oozaru to a black and red Saiyan? I've seen a Xenoverse 2 mod that he was gold and it looked SO damn good. He actually looked like a real super Saiyan. But the only thing the ssj4 form has in relation to the golden oozaru was the red around the eyes.
      If you ask me it's just more GT being edgy and focused on looking cool

    • @Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman
      @Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman Před měsícem +1

      ​@@keybladegames_realnothing wrong with the color

    • @keybladegames_real
      @keybladegames_real Před měsícem +2

      @@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman only a GT fan would think that. Ill repeat myself. How do you go from a golden great ape to black hair and red fur? It should of been gold but we gotta go with being cool and edgy to get the kids to watch and like GT. Cause who needs logic when you got ridiculous plots, unexplained plot holes and edginess

    • @ben-right-here
      @ben-right-here Před měsícem

      ​@@keybladegames_real I can see your point, but I think it's more of an aesthetical thing than a super edgy and dark thing. Even in the concept arts, the idea was that the red fur would be silver which looks cool too (even if it is still not related to the golden of super saiyan in any way). And those words you're reading come from a guy that adores the look of super saiyan 1 and blue more than 4 (in most cases)

  • @DeathguardCleric
    @DeathguardCleric Před 5 dny

    8:59 NOT THE BETRAYED AND TRAPPED IN A TIMECHAMBER SHADE 😭

  • @MarioSonicBee
    @MarioSonicBee Před měsícem +2

    SSJ3 contradicts what Goku figured out in the time chamber, I love mastered SSJ as someone who does martial arts and spars I love how they applied real logic to the forms. Getting stronger doesn’t mean you automatically win but SSJ3 ruins all that set up and what Goku learned in favor of a cool form. At least that’s what I think

  • @dankerbell
    @dankerbell Před měsícem +3

    as an average super saiyan 3 hater this video gives me life, i do like the transformation scenes in the show and fusion reborn but beyond the surface level "wow sean can scream, cool" there's nothing else i like, including the look

  • @Sinsanities
    @Sinsanities Před měsícem +1

    Hahaha a fine addition to my collection (put this video together with masakox super saiyan 3 video from 7 years ago)

  • @mythical5958
    @mythical5958 Před měsícem +1

    super saiyan = cool
    super saiyan 2 = same as the first but not bad
    super saiyan 3 = WHERE ARE HIS EYEBROWS
    super saiyan god = its aight
    super saiyan blue = i like it

  • @CaptainFalcon-exboyfriend

    Honestly I was skeptical about your video at first but when you contended that SSJ3 should have been a Gotenks exclusive form I started to agree with you. What would hype it up even more is if they gave us scenes where Goku tried to achieve it, barely missed the mark, and then tries to get the kids to do it. This would have given context for the form to even exist, create serious character development for Goku and the kids, as well as removing a useless form.

  • @yashtiwari__
    @yashtiwari__ Před měsícem +2

    Carthu's hate for Vegeta is so real and obvious (Vegeta has an exclusive form too). It's unfortunate to see such a huge series fan be biased

    • @Grumpsterdumpster
      @Grumpsterdumpster Před měsícem +4

      What is vegeta's exclusive form in the buu saga? If your talking about Majin vegeta, that's not a form it's a power boost.

    • @blacklivesorblackvotes2985
      @blacklivesorblackvotes2985 Před 20 dny

      More like your biased fanboyism for Vegeta is so real and obvious.

  • @brendansoucy2220
    @brendansoucy2220 Před měsícem +1

    i'd actually argue the other way and say that SSJ3 absolutely should have been a goku exclusive form, just with better writing to avoid the character assassination. SSJ3's energy drawbacks are explicitly stated to not be an issue in Otherworld due to the weird physiology of "undead" bodies and energy consumption, which is why Goku didn't realize it was so draining for someone in the living world. i think the best route would actually be to have it foreshadowed by him using it in bursts during the majin vegeta fight, too quickly to be seen, only in tandem with heavy attacks (even if it's not a lot foreshadowing), so that goku doesn't notice the energy drain. maybe write it so majin vegeta's actually just more powerful than goku at that point (in SSJ2), so that goku still loses and wakes up later. he goes to fight Buu, only then realizing his mistake with relying on a form he hadn't properly tested prior.
    or, yknow, just dont use it at all lmao

  • @pyranitar
    @pyranitar Před měsícem +1

    I don't think ssj3 being energy taxing is as much as a regression of his battle IQ as people say it is, remember, he learned this form while in the afterlife while not having a living body. The stamina issue wasn't as prominent as it was with Goku in a living body.

    • @arkkon2740
      @arkkon2740 Před měsícem +1

      Goku's died twice, and only for a few years at a time, it really shouldn't have been that hard to differentiate the power drain of a dead man, and the power drain from someone who's alive.
      I wanna remind you that he was considered dead up until he swapped with old kai, thats most of the way through the arc, so this wasnt even a problem before. Theres absolutely no way that he couldn't have used ss3 for like 15 seconds to beat Vegeta, but he just used it to flex on buu and then ran off without actually doing much

  • @The_Ultimate_Fusion_Vegito
    @The_Ultimate_Fusion_Vegito Před měsícem +2

    Why did Carthu change the thumbnail?

  • @gabrielvieira4177
    @gabrielvieira4177 Před měsícem +2

    I thought ssj3 was a universally hated form? What happened to that

  • @josetomascamposrobledano4618
    @josetomascamposrobledano4618 Před měsícem +1

    ITS ONLY ICONIC BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN!
    The form does NOTHING!