Dragon Ball's Most Confusing Form
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- What is Super Saiyan God? Who is the original Super Saiyan God? Find out how these answers have changed over time as I go over Super Saiyan God's weird history.
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Super Saiyan God is the form that opened up the world of modern Dragon Ball. Gods of Destruction, Angels, other Universes, and God Ki, but what is it? Obviously, it’s a base Saiyan using God Ki. But what is Super Saiyan God ACTUALLY? Who was the original Super Saiyan God? Well, this form has a weird history filled with retcons.
In Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods, Dragon Ball Super, Akira Toriyama interviews, and retcons surrounding all of them - the history of the Super Saiyan God form is far more interesting and convoluted than you may have realized.
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I think it was unearned for goku but earned for vegeta
@@dedskull6185 why is that? I thought it was very well earned for Goku.
@@dedskull6185 Nope it's not unearned for Goku
Vegeta earned super saiyan god in my opinion
I just think the ritual was more a way to reveal pan existing but I could be wrong
Super Saiyan God is so cool yet under-utilised, I really like how it was done in the manga though with Vegeta using it against Goku Black
Ikr
Yeah this was cool
Yep i loved that part
Also when goku clapped hit with ssjg
If Dragon Ball Super is ever redone with better animation and writing that simplifies inconsistencies between the movies, manga, and original anime, then I want them to animate this moment instead of Goku doing it in the ToP.
One of the most underrated forms that was heavily sidelined once SSJB made its debut, glad to see it still has relevance 10 years after it’s debut
Yea ssjg is way better than ssjgssj
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It was pretty well used in Manga.
People should check out manga in my opinion.
Yeah it got foreshadow it is very underrated
@@Yamchasbestfr🧢🧢🧢🧢 +📻
Goku being indirectly possessed by the spirit of Yamoshi is a really interesting concept, such a shame the series did nothing with it and God became one of the least utilized transformations.
Favorite form in Dragon Ball. The uniqueness of Goku’s hair not spiking up and him getting skinnier instead sold me on it.
I would like to see one movie about Yamoshi and the whole story of the Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God.
I think an OVA would be fine, but either way could be cool!
@@CarthusDojoOVA?
@@SaimBinHassanRizvi basically a tv special or direct to dvd short movie like history of trunks, bardock the father of goku, and a hero’s legacy
@@emperortohoare ovas considered then canon?
@@cringestudios2931 one made today would(i believe yo son goku and his friends return was an ova and that was canon), but the ones i mentioned aren’t canon(bardock’s backstory was of course changed, history of trunks contradicts trunks having super saiyan before gohan dies, and a hero’s legacy is from dragon ball gt)
still better than Super Saiyan Blue 💀
Naw I wouldn’t say that super saiyan blue is it’s own form goku and vegeta created it honestly is more symbolic. People keep using the excuse that they got beat everytime they use it but it’s a shit excuse. Base ssj didn’t stand a chance against Buu, it’s literally the villians there going against. Also The broly movie really saved super saiyan blue, I’d say SSB isn’t great but It’s perfected form is better then regular super saiyan god.
@@Ibumirzahell no lmfao, it got introduced too early and kept being weirdly overused, like when goku used it against 17 and kale.
i agree
@@Ibumirza I agree with you. Super Saiyan Blue is also one of my favourite forms.
Not too much of a benchmark tbf
Super Saiyan God has very confusing lore, but was also underused. I kind of wish they used it more in Super. (thankfully Broly added more use of it) Also it would be cool to see an explanation of what the Legendary Super Saiyan is. Of course Z Broly is the LSS, but that’s non-canon. Super Broly is mainly referred to as a Full Power Saiyan. Also Kale I’m not sure, but an explanation of the Legendary Super Saiyan would be cool!
Yeah I agree
I'm glad Ssg is getting the respect it deserves
It really deserves it, the whole ritual is cool asl
It not about rutial 😓😅
It's getting way more respect in Dragon Ball Legends.
@@MinhLe19303 yes really
@@MinhLe19303ssj God is the definition of meta
I actually love how this turned out, combining both the Legendary Super Saiyan my this with the Super Saiyan God origin. It feels all interconnected and more meaningful than two separate legends that aren’t related at all, which is what I had assumed in the first place. Great job as always!
Honestly Yamoshi has the most inconsistent history across the entirety of Dragon Ball and that makes me really like him as an in-universe mythological character. He's so open to interpretation
In the Toei Anime timeline with GT Elder Kai apparently has knowledge and recognition of the Super Saiyan 4 transformation despite being sealed for millions of years.
And in filler previously seen on Namek, Vegeta talks about the previous Super Saiyan which shows a Golden Great Ape which seemingly was responsible for Planet Sadala's destruction. The GT Perfect Files supports by stating that the Golden Great Ape form appears to be the Super Saiyan form from the legends, and also go on to mention that Super Saiyan 4 might be the form from the legend that Yamoshi utilized.
It's also worth noting that there are heavy implications by Paragus and Vegeta the original DBZ Broly movie that the Legendary Super Saiyan form displayed by Broly could very well be the same form in the original legend.
So that means Yamoshi could have been the legendary Super Saiyan, the Legendary Super Saiyan, a Golden Great Ape turned Super Saiyan 4, or a Super Saiyan God.
Clearly he has lived a very, very interesting life.
I don’t think anyone ever mentions this but i love your editing style
Thank you!
Super Saiyan God is my favorite form and it sucks to see it get overshadowed so quickly. I wish it was used a lot more.
We are the same in opinions and logic
I personally believe before SSGSS was introduced, they should’ve done SSGE like in that one sprite animation, so they master their forms completely before they go further beyond.
Blue could’ve been discovered in the Black arc, and God Evolution would’ve been discovered during ROF.
They had already mastered SSG while training with Whis. This is why SSG doesnt have any issues with ki draining, stamina drain, or dropping the form. Carthu even states that in this video.
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I know, I just think it’d make more sense along with the SSGSS Evolution thing specifically for God Forms
There’d be no point in a god evolution form and doesn’t really make sense since it’s really just base form with god ki, it’s not like super saiyan where ssj2 was the evolved form of that
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Again, I know, I just remembered that one sprite animation where SSJ4 Black fought Vegeta first, and thought it was pretty cool.
Not to mention, God deserved more screentime before going to the next form.
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7:35 I do not think it was cut, but rather retconned in the manga continuity. Trunks outright states that Goku and Vegeta's base forms have barely increased since the events of the Cell Saga (and those base power levels barely changed between Cell and Buu too, as Goku barely managed to reach Cell Games Gohan level in 7 years while Vegeta still needed the babidi boost), which means that Goku and Vegeta have never absorbed God ki in the manga but rather can tap in to its power in their base forms similar to Goku doing the same for the Ui technique. Overall in the manga, the lines between technique and form is very blurry.
my favourite form, it just feels slick and makes me go like 😃😎😎
nah fr tho ssg really be like that tho its just straight *cool*
@@zarealextra9023 what do you mean by "nah" then?
@@xenophagia shit your right k i changed it ty
I really enjoy your CZcams videos! As a fan, I find them incredibly entertaining,insightful,educational. Keep up the fantastic work.
Finally it's here! It was worth the wait as always. The way Carthy explains DBZ lore is so relaxing and sprinkles his opinion here and there which is just perfect.
Super Saiyan God definitely should have gotten a whole lot more screen time, seeing as how it's the very same form that started it all for Dragon Ball Super.
Super Saiyan Blue had been portrayed very horribly ever since the Dragon Ball Super anime.
Another deep dive into Dragon ball from carthu keep up the good work
Super Saiyan God was so underused in the anime.
Like #36 (I just wanted to say it)
AMAZING VIDEO. Seiously I love EVERYTHING about this video. the editing, images, music. its top tier.
Wow, thank you!
Great videos keep up the great work
Wish this SSG got more attention. Such a great and unique design for a form. Too bad Blue stole the spotlight.
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Well it was fairly used in Manga.
Ssjb is better
Underrated form, and it's a Carthu video just wonderful keep up the great work
Super Saiyan God sounds like the type of fella to sneeze, excuse himself, bless himself and say thank you to himself
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You were on point with ALL of the details that I’ve seen a LOT of people skip. Thank you.
Love your vids keep up the good work
one thing i find fascinating about super saiyan blue is that it is just god stacked with SS.
theoretically you can stack SS2 and 3 onto it as well, probably even great ape.
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Love your videos Carthu!
Love the vids❤
if we take into account the history of Shallot and Giblet, they are descendants of the Original Super Saiyan God, which is not Yamoshi as most think. Because I say this, simple: Akira himself in the 2018 interview said that Yamoshi was cornered by the Evil Saiyans and there he became the First Super Saiyan, but he was outnumbered and he and his 5 colleagues died (here begins the Legend of the Super Saiyan). After his death, Yamoshi's spirit (he's already dead remember) was wandering around looking for other pure-hearted Saiyans who needed a savior. Here the story of Shallot comes into play, since Giblet mentions that they are both descendants of the Original Super Saiyan God who, like yamoshi, lost his transformation (just like Goku against Beerus fighting in the underground cave) and died at the hands of the evil saiyans, being eliminated said savior.
Besides, in the Broly movie (2018) Kikono informs Frieza that they were looking for both the Super Saiyan and the Super Saiyan God, implying that there was one that started with the Legend of the SsG.
In conclusion, Yamoshi lent his spirit to one of the six good Saiyans that has Shallot and Giblet as descendants, but he is not the Super Saiyan God as such, he only intervened in the ritual.
The God of Destruction Beerus took information about the spirit of Yamoshi, the original Super Saiyan in a prophetic dream, and thus learned about the Super Saiyan God, which would end up causing the events of Battle of Gods.
@@byjonasan757suprisingly yamcha triggers beerus. Pinpoint the location of the android. I think he was a saiyan reincarnated because he use his power to attract saiyan girls. The saiyan began to curl their tail because of that. Punished by god because his behaviour.
If you combined it with Cumber's lore, it's possible there is a Super Saiyan God before Goku.
@@MinhLe19303 Yamoshi survive but stomped by Oozaru by using super saiyan power to impress girl, the girl transformed because of super saiyan aura. The saiyans curled their tail to prevent the transformation. He is the one who survive others separate to other timeline. He was punished by enma by his action. He must endure the humiliation.
@@RACH90810 wtf are you talking about, man? And "Yamcha"??
SSJ and SSG are the top transformations imo
Saiyanmotion my man i compleatly agree but you should add SSJ4 too
@@chromephone nah 100% js canonically speaking
Fr tho
@@SaiyanMotionUI Omen's sick too tho
Namek SSJ, B.O.G SSSG, Buu Saga SSJ3 and GT SSJ4*
Love the channel just subbed keep it up!
Man I just love watching your videos
Kinda wish they would've pushed blue back until the Goku black arc. They could've learned from eachother while fighting and obtained blue / rosè at the same time. Would've also given the og God form more time to shine. I have no doubts ssg could've beaten resurrection f Frieza and then we could've gotten a whole tournament with it.
Great video - I forgot the subtle differences between the movie and anime - not that there were some just what they were
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Good video man 👍
Appreciate it
I like how who Beerus saw in the silhouette was left kinda vague, sort of leaving us wondering, is this Goku or is it someone else? Maybe it is Yamoshi that Beerus saw and he just so happened to look a little like Goku.
I only your vidoes a lot keep up the good work
For only I ment I like
There is an edit button
Great video, Carthu!
Btw, I'd love to see your take on SSJ3 vs SSG. I.e. , when Kale and Caulifla saw ssj3 in the TOP, their reaction made it seem like ssj3 was stronger than some of Goku's other forms. Even the fact the Goku powered down from it and went into SSG afterwards had some implications.
Would love to hear your thoughts on it
That probably has to do with the difference of god ki and normal ki.
With ssj3 they could feel how strong it is
I love the editing on carthus videos
Super Saiyan God is my favourite transformation, thanks for making this video!
Glad you enjoyed!
I wish they hadn't introduced Blue until the Black arc or instead made it a separate transformation for Vegeta alone.
If they'd done the former, Black would've been the one to show it first and in the process show that there's something stronger than SSJG as that would've essentially been something like his base form, being a god himself in a saiyan body. But he's still weaker than Goku and Vegeta as SSJGs, making his break into Rose something incredibly powerful and dangerous but also giving Goku and Vegeta a hint that maybe they could do it too. It would make Vegeta showing up later and going Blue then completely demolishing Rose a fitting situation, forcing Fused Zamasu to exist and it plays out as we know it.
If the latter, Vegeta could earn it through training and Blue could be the first diversion in power and techniques they get. Blue being something that vegeta could hold over Goku because he earned it through instruction and training whereas god was something Goku got via a ritual. Especially since we know Goku doesn't like that. But if its power was on par with SSJG, picture say the ResF arc where it's SSJG vs Golden Freeza, the power differences are the same, but when Vegeta steps up we all think "omg did he get God too?!" then he turns blue and has this unique look and we'd all be going "WHAT THE F*CK?!"
Course then there was the whole thing about Blue being "more efficient" and "less efficient" etc etc. Especially since the manga went back and forth on it. First Blue is extremely efficient with ki control, but the transformation itself is where things are lost so doing it twice in a row would make you weaker than just a base super saiyan (said by whis in the manga as vegeta fought Hit) then suddenly later Blue is a big stamina drain as a whole which was completely at odds with everything including the Res F fight because Blue's advantage was better stamina control over Freeza's AAAAGH.
I love SSJG but they really dropped it too soon.
the most frustrating thing is always when a new enemy comes along and can keep up in his baseform with our heroes highest forms thus far.
best explanation so far!
Would LOVE a Yamoshi special. More Saiyan lore is always good (further show the irony of true saiyan power requiring pure heart/empathy but saiyans turn their back on it)
Great video! Very nice breakdown. You should do one about God Ki and how it works exactly and just the lower that's been introduced about it. Some people don't think it's special or powerful at all because of the enemies who show up and can match or surpass it.
I think God Ki kinda sucks too LOL
@@CarthusDojo 😂💀 it really does. Beyond the forms and increase in strength, I really don't understand how it's that unique. Ultra Instinct seems to be different and handled better. Wasn't there something that Beerus said I don't know if it was from the movie or the anime. I'm pretty sure it was from the movie. But that if you didn't have God ki, that you literally couldn't hurt him?
Not to mention all the weird instances in which mortals can somehow seemingly sense god ki as well
@@Enerjjak Frieza sensed it, Hit sensed it, at this point I wouldn’t be surprised if Krillin sensed it either.
@@gliizee *Jiren twitches*
You taught me a lot today. Thanks!
Glad to hear it!
I love your videos 🎉
thanks!
Basically a monke with god ki.
Really wish SSG got more time to shine. Love the scared fire ki/aura and the hair color feels like a nod to the reddish fur of SSJ4!
i thought when i started watching this, i know everything already. Good thing watched the video because there were still things i didn't know. Great video
With all the retcons done ssg actually turned out pretty damn cool
These videos are so good. Really unlike any other DB CZcamsr. And I’ve seen many channels like this over the course of years.
Wow, thanks!
Ssg is my favourite form, i really love how unique it is. Closely followed by ultra instinct and og ss
This was great
Great video about the super saiyan god transformation.
Thanks!
@@CarthusDojo you're welcome.
I still like SSGSS more, but im happy to know that Ssg has some good history behind it. 😂😂
The abandoned,forgotten,epic but not legendary,form that got finally back in ToP and only got highlighted in manga is now finally getting the spotlight of its own
The one only SSG !🤘🔥🔥
Edit : How I think the story could have been worked like:
In the Rof, goku wouldn't have unlocked ssb and Ssg goku and ssg vegeta could have fought freiza and could have together as a team and beat him (and vegeta could still have the spotlight once he unlocked ssg in the battle) then , at u6 tournament goku could have unlocked ssb and then ssbkk at zamasu and the rest could have been same.
By this ssg could have gotten a lot time and attention
It was used very well in the manga,You should check it out.
@Manoj-wg5zp until perfected ssb, which pretty much solved the stamina issue
Finally a yt video dedicated to my favorites transformation in dragon Ball!! Tysm carthu
Glad you liked it
Is this a bot? Cuz I've never had my favorite you tuber like or even reply my comment (no offense)
@@chineduajuzieogu7756It's not, Carthu responds to some peoples comments.
Great video. I really like how you go really in depth. Also what's the song at 5:30? It really bugs me that I can't find it anywhere.
So I don't know the exact track, but I can tell you what score you can most likely find it in.
In the order of the most likely to least likely:
1. *Bruce Faulconer Score,* which is found in the third to final seasons (episodes 54-276 for the TV version, 68-291 for the uncut version) of the original Funimation DBZ release
2. Dragon Ball Super's score by *Norihito Sumitomo*
3. Funimation Dragon Ball GT score by *Mark Menza*
4. *Nathan Johnson* score from Funimation DBZ re-dub of episodes 1-67
5. *Shuki Levy/Ron Wasserman* score from original Funimation DBZ release - episodes 1-53 (TV Ver.)
6. Music from any of the various scores from the Funimation dubs of DBZ/GT feature films/OVAs
Fandom: List of Dragon Ball music will show you everything there is though.
Wow! Thank you very much! I will look into these possibilities.
Found it. Its Beerus' Planet by Norihito Sumitomo. At least its the title of this track in "The very Best Soundtracks From Dragon Ball Super" on CZcams
@@kapcioszek2137 Wow! That was fast lol. I was really torn between it being something from Faulconer, or Sumitomo. I just hope I was able to help somehow. Either way, I'm glad you were able to find what you were looking for. 🤘
Yes, you were a big help. Thanks!
That makes more sense, but how did yamoshi lose the rebellion if he wasnt on the ssg time limit?
He still ran out of stamina. Remember when Gohan first became a Super Saiyan? He couldn't stay in the form very long at all and was likely far stronger than Yamoshi. It definitely puts a strain on the user.
ITS SHALLOT
I actually came back to this video for one thing, and that is because of Cumber. In SDBH Episode 4, when Goku went SSG against Cumber, Cumber immediately recognized the form, hinting that he was one of the Evil Saiyans that the OG SSG fought. Considering that he is also "The Ancient Evil Saiyan."
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I actually prefer Goku not absorbing SSG into base tbh
SSJGod is my favorite transformation, and keep up the great work
It took so long to explain that ssjg is just a saiyan using god ki in their base form💀💀💀
I would love to see a one-off manga about Yamoshi and his story, like the one Minato manga that just released.
If it matches the tone of the DBZ specials about Trunks and Bardock, that'd really be something.
Seriously, ssjg is way better than ssjb (mainly for is minimal ki drain and its sadly forgotten about regeneration ability) just wish goku and vegeta used it more in the anime. Sadly it will be forgotten just like ssj2 and kaioken in base form. I would like to see a situation where goku uses kaioken on top of ssjg, as this would slightly negate the damage kaioken does to the user.
I remember when SSG was introduced I didn’t like it. I thought it was lazy and just looked like kaioken. But after doing more research it’s now my favorite form. I like how it’s not about the muscles but the ki control that equals strength. The fiery aura that comes with it. The form is so cool but maybe it’s a good thing it was dropped fast because it was only a matter of time before SSG would have been humiliated
Even though Super Saiyan God had the potential to explore upon. It really need an arc or maybe short comic special about Yamoshi leading up to obtaining Super Saiyan God🤔
This actually makes sense🔥
Definitely my favorite form really good it was different and refreshing sad it got sidelined but it is nice to see that the community still likes the form
Very informative. I wasnt 100% on how it all tied together.
Glad it was helpful!
Bro really broke it down, I feel like i can become Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan with all this knowledge 😂
SSJG's lore is weird and confusing, but it did kick off a new generation of Dragon Ball Fans that's for sure. 👍
the weirdest part of it is that it was replaced by a D tier form
Can't wait to watch
super saiyan god being base form with god ki always confused me. i originally thought that was the case because super saiyan can be stacked on top of it, but late rin the anime i thought goku and vegeta used god ki in their base form and their appearence remained the same.
They don't use God Ki in base. The state they are using taps into god-like strength with regular ki. The moment they turned blue, their ki became undetectable, signaling the use of God Ki. If they constantly had God Ki in base, they wouldn't be able to use regular ssj.
SSB is a form that should’ve never existed in the first place my god; like SSG was so perfect and would be POETIC cause GT had SSJ4 as it’s form and super COULD’VE had the same thing with SSG but nooooo SSB had to come in and FUCK IT UP ESPECIALLY THE LORE OF SSG.
Another thing that makes ssjblue even more useless and unecessary
Ssjgod is a calm, focused form, its not about muscle, its extreme power trought extreme control, something that normal ssj forms (1, 2,3 and 4) could never reach, it requires a calm mind
Guess what else requires a calm mind? Thats right, UI
Like, im the only one who thinks transitioning from ssjgod to UI makes more sense?
I like to think that Yamoshi communed with Beerus to get an opponent strong enough for Goku to rely on the Ritual instead of his own strength.
Surprised you didn’t use the SSG intro theme from Dokkan Battle, it’s a really fitting one
I much prefer ssg as opposed to blue. Ssg is always displayed with using many different techniques they wouldn't usually use in any other form.
I really wished that the ritual Super Saiyan God was it's own thing in the anime, so we could see it as a new "ace card" for when things get bad that isn't simply fusion. Alternatively, it would've simply been better if God was unachievable on your own and thus Blue was just Goku tapping into the absorbed God Ki through a new transformation. That way both God and Blue remain very special forms
I love this channel but please post more what if videos they are how I pass my time my favorite is what if goku was sent to berrus’s planet
Bro went from the brilliance to the confusion.
4:30 "The who'll never give up", so yeah, Cell called me and wanted to talk about that xD
woah woah there, it’s called “supa sayajin gutto”
The part that doesn't quite sit right with me, is if Yamoshi didn't go ssj god, how did the ritual get made up? Like did he and namekian elder just make up a ritual and it happened to work?
I don't understand how they can know about it without seeing it or anything.
All that explanation of the SSG and the ritual for the final question to be answered with a “It’s just base form with God ki” 🤣
To me, the most confusing form was the fake super sayian goku used to beat Lord Slug.
Funny how you used Shallot 😂
Finally Shallot got some love 😂
The biggest unanswered mystery about Super Saiyan God is how it exists at all. Or to put it another way, how is it that Saiyans are able to obtain god ki by either training or ritual? We know that both are possible because of Goku and Vegeta. Goku obtained it by ritual, and then later gained the ability to use it at will. Vegeta never obtained it by ritual, but was still able to obtain it with guidance by Whis and a lot of hard work.
However, there's never anything else in the series that suggests that this is normally possible for mortal beings at all. They meet warriors far stronger than them (the the time of them meeting) who are far stronger than them even without god ki, but they never meet another mortal who has god ki. As of the Granolah Saga and Super Hero, Goku and Vegeta are still the only mortals in the series who can tap into god ki. The closest we ever get is in the case of Black, who was a Kai named Zamasu who possessed Goku's body. He was already a god before possessing Goku and Goku's body is that of a Saiyan, so it doesn't do anything to help answer the question.
By all apparent accounts, Goku and Vegeta seem to be doing something that should be impossible, and yet nobody in-universe ever really seems to think about it or draw attention to it. It's handled very casually, like it's just a regular transformation.
Toppo has God Ki and all Gods of Destruction were mortals who trained to become Gods.
@@CarthusDojo Toppo and other GoD candidates aren't really super well explained either, as far as we know they're a special exception as well to fulfill a role, and they differ from Goku and Vegeta in that they seem to obtain immortality and truly become gods, while Goku and Vegeta are merely mortals who can wield god ki.
The evil saiyans must have been ridiculously strong. Cause getting god ki would have put yamoshi leagues ahead of them. And he should have sapped some god ki into base like goku did.