What are y'alls thoughts on this? Should Halo be passed on to a new developer? I'm working on a follow up to this video talking about the entire mess of "modern gaming." also: I'm aware I said "Forge" twice lol. Just replace the first "Forge" with "firefight."
I cannot believe that 343 Industries has screwed itself up into oblivion so badly that it took the 6 Years to release a TENTH of a Halo Game. The team over at MCC, which I'm lovingly calling 2401 Studios has added more content in one Update than Infinite's ENTIRE "Live Service". Screw you 343.
Making a new studio or replacing people probably won't help. They have no legacy with Halo and it seems nobody understands how to make Halo. Plus it's more than 343, it's Microsoft game studios management also forcing things like f2p or contractors. Bungie fought Microsoft on control over their IP and freedom to do things their way, it's part of why they left. A new studio and staff will just get pushed around because they have no reputation or clout like Bungie did as the creator of Halo. It'd be pretty sad for Microsoft if they had to close a studio they made just to handle Halo because they're not capable.
Which other developer can you trust? If they make a new one from scratch it will be in the same place it is now.. Honestly I think all the leadership should go and Bonnie Ross should be the first to resign. It should be lead by Joseph Staten. He needs to bring back some of the core developers essentially making it Bungie 2.0. 343i nailed the art style and game play and gave them a good foundation to work with but it doesn't mean anything if Bonnie Ross is in charge and the culture stays the way it is. The company needs a refresh in order for halo to be successful.
When 343 was trying to sell 20 dollar nail polish so players could acquire the color purple….I knew how out of touch and greedy this company has become.
There were red flags almost every week. Adding the track record for Microsoft and its lack of focus on gaming...how many times your GF bangs you buddies before enough is enough. I went pc in 2019. Put your support into something else
Facts…and ppl scoff @ you when you say. “Nah I’m not interested in micro transactions” I just want a better game…. They’re like.”but you can get this gold armor color and these Cat Ears, and these big buff shoulder plates” compared to Reach everything is just sub par @ BEST!!
@@sociallyinactiveiv5905 how about just having the color purple be a free base color(along with every other Color) like previous titles? It's fair to say 343 has control over that.
Some may recall that Fortnite, the template for a modern live service, wasn't a live service until weeks after the battle royale released. They focused on making the game first, then gradually built the live service around it. Same goes for Team Fortress 2, the first modern free to play live service game.
You can say that again. Just ask the red dead online fanbase. That game was deprived of all content that would have made sense for it, yet the monetization was there.
@@GruntyGame yeah people hate on that game all they want.. least it actually has stuff I want!!. Lol Edit: sorry let me edit this comment for you guys cause you’re all too slow to understand that I was talking about people in GENERAL😂😂😂.
@@SkuIIKn1ght It’s because Microsoft doesn’t give a shit about their games, they want IPs so they don’t get left behind by PC, PlayStation and even Nintendo
There is something ROTTEN inside 343. My feeling is that there are some bad eggs working in the higher levels of 343 and it is having a trickle down effect within the company. Something is wrong when a company spends as much money as 343 did and puts out the trash known as halo infinite.
@@lego1999100 you also don't just happen to get zero content after spending half a billion dollars on development. There is no excuse for this. There may be reasons, but absolutely zero excuse.
Microsoft can just casually throw 100 billion and buy two of the biggest companies in gaming but seemingly can't spare any money for the struggling studio of their flagship franchise. It's good that Bungie's original games are so good that they can be enjoyed even decades after their release, but the fact that the Halo formula which I personally think is a simple formula to get right can't be replicated by either the studio or owner is depressing. It would not surprise me if once the Activision deal goes through Call of Duty ends up replacing Halo as the face of Xbox.
@@ANTHONISHERE problem is, Bungie can't help either, they are still busy with destiny 2 and are working on a new IP. and even if they can, the people that made Bungie Bungie either joined 343 or where sacked by Activision
@@wolfgamer8770 Yeah I agree I don’t really wanna sound like this but I just don’t think halo has no hope left for it. Halo is pretty much dead no forge no amount of battlepasses will save it.
I think 343 needs to be audited to find out what’s going on in the company. Where’s all the resources going, and how they managed to spend half a billion on a third of a game. And then leadership needs to be completely changed and filled with people who understand what halo is supposed to be
God I hope something like that happens or at the very least the pieces of shit in charge leave. I’ll never lose hope but boy is it diminishing exponentially
The fact that Microsoft is allowing this ongoing "mismanagement" tells me that nothing will *EVER* change. Microsoft hand-picked these corporate goons to squeeze every last drop of blood out of Halo before abandoning it. If this were not contrived from above, it wouldn't be happening at all.
For me, the Halo Reach campaign is my favorite. It hits me right in the feels. The score is fantastic and they captured the feeling of fighting a losing war super well
343: They know nothing about making games Monitor 2401: And you know nothing about Halo, you have demonstrated complete disregard for even the most basic protocols
@@iainkilcar7463 Translation: "Dear humanity, we regret being game developers, we regret coming to Microsoft, and we most definitely regret that the Halo community just blew up our raggedy-ass game!"
You're absolutely right to put emphasis on management. How long has Sean Baron been focusing on competitive gaming while Head of Live Services, and how hasn't a senior producer or director pulled him aside to emphasise the importance of social gaming? Is it because 6 years ago someone in pre-production wrote "Competitive Shooter" on the whiteboard and nobody of importance has questioned it since?
@@Destroyer19941995 Yep and one of his BIG goals is *Player Inclusivity* He mentioned Player Inclusivity before he even acknowledged that desync is an issue. Anyone with their head still screwed on in 2022 can read between the lines on that one.
I get that there is people who enjoy really hardcore competitive games but I personally fall in the more casual crowd, so when infinite released with no firefight, coop campaign, or forge I kinda just lost interest. I tried just playing the normal pvp and I just cant really get into it. I respect it and the players who like it, but playing it feels like a job sometimes.
I jumped ship when 343 refused to address the unoptimized state that the PC version had, terrible mouse lag, maxing out GPU's in the MAIN MENU, desync issues across all platforms, etc.
Yup, I’ve said this for years. 3 strikes you’re out and 343 has been struck out! They have failed so miserably with one of the biggest franchises on the planet. This IP needs to be removed from 343i and given to a studio that will respect it. They also need to either build a new engine or move it to Unreal 5 and relaunch it in an engine that can do the job right. You started with 3 I started coming off the heels of Goldeneye 64, and Halo CE blew my mind. I owned 3 Xboxes 3 TVs and 13 controllers. We drilled holes in the floor of my townhouse and had a permanent LAN. So many nights and so many good memories. This was before Xbox Live, I was 19 years old and loved every minute it! I still think Halo can make a comeback, but not with 343i steering the ship.
Fun fact the engine for this Halo is a new engine. This is there attempt at a new engine. its also 4 strikes, MCC was broken for years and a dedicated team had to be brought in to fix it and the PC release was Splash damage.
One of the things that killed me the most was how they said that Halo at its core is a "hyper-competitive" game. That's exactly the opposite of what Bungie used to say, when Bungie would say it was designed to be social and fun, where the mmr was not strict sbmm. Halo was NEVER hyper-competitive, and now it's just painfully sterile, where all the maps and modes feel exactly the same. I hate everything about Halo Infinite.
Well said, as someone who plays competitive fps games, its not fun anymore, I want to have fun but these companies are dead set on "sbmm". I don't want to play your game if I'm constantly getting shit on just so I'm kept in the middle of whatever metric they have set.
Halo 2, 3, and Reach are all great examples on proving the fact that at its core halo is simply not a competitive game, at least not at its core, custom games were the birthplace of modes like infection back in the halo 2 days, halo 3 and its introduction of forge made it so anyone could make a new map, which forge blew up, than reach further expanded forge, hell I remember spending half the time in reach on forge world split screen or online with my friends just fucking around, or playing some weird game modes in custom games with a bunch or randoms I met online
It's Bonnie Ross dude, not just the company. Half of her paragraph speech is about diversity and inclusion. She also has tried to push Phil Spencer to ban Xbox Live users for sexist comments. Pay close attention because this is who will most likely succeed Phil as head of Xbox when he retires
Big props for calling out the management and not the devs. Absolutely agree with you, it’s a shame what’s (been) happening to one of my favorite franchises.
Its definitely both. If its just management then youd expect poor rational over all and if its the devs then you'd expect its being buggy / unimaginative. The entire studio is compromised of at best mediocre people and at worse malicious antagonists that should be bullied out of the industry.
@@airsoul366 Its not, Software Devs basically get homework and they do it, you can add a few notes while writing the code or you can make minor adjusments, but you cant simply say "this question is wrong" because you get fired. Map layout is strictly managed by the Director and the blueprint they picked, you deviate from it and you get removed from working on that project.
@@thekey1175 As I just answered, unimaginate is 99% purely chosen by the Director not Devs/Coders, but on the Buggy side I mostly agree, the only exception would be when the Higher Up force you to code the game in A) A coding language that sucks balls (a lot of badly optomized games use multiple unneeded languages) & B) A predetermined Blueprint that was picked by a "Profesional Engineer that knows best" and just sucks, but you cant change it because its not part of the contract so you either get fired or write the code. Considering most Programmers actually dont get to choose what Blueprints they think are best or what Code they write, misplacing blame on Devs instead of Management actually happens a lot, and its nearly always Managements fault.
@@Chris____. Management and "higher-ups" have been continually blamed for atleast the last decade and eventually they get replaced but the same lousy product gets shipped. I'm talking about really lazy or maliciously made textures or environments in some cases literally stolen from other people like what's been seen out of blizzard. The amount of people who are trained for arts or in other areas of game development are massive and growing every year its not impossible to imagine they are either bad at their job or intentionally evil.
THANK YOU for emphasizing it's not "the devs". As someone who works in a tangential field in technology, project management and leadership are always the problem. M$, and 343 leadership needs some serious reworking.
Halo infinite was admittingly really fun when it came out. For the first time I was able to play a halo release with all my friends because the multiplayer was free and on PC. After about a few days of playing though, we all quickly realized that we felt like we were playing a game demo with very little content. We grinded out some ranked and reached Onyx, but at that point it had felt like we had beat the multiplayer because that was just about all there was to achieve. Finally after about a month or 2 after release most of my friends uninstalled the game and we haven't played together since and I rarely play it too.
thats the problem with infinte, its not really fun. fuck i must have played halo 2 zanzibar, waterworks and new mombasa metropolis a 1000 times and never got sick of it because the gameplay and map design was superb. halo infinite gameplay is boring and its maps are fucking boring. people complain that theres is no content to unlock but halo wasnt known for that. halo was known for how much fun the game was to play and always wanting to keep playing through the night. 343 has never been able to get that. which is funny because bungie made documentaries explaning just this thing and they refuse to watch them
Someone once said it simply: there are studios that can hack it and there are studios that can't. 343 isn't Bungie and they don't seem to know how to handle HALO or deliver good products at launch.
You do realize that about 90% of 343 is the original Bungie team right? When they left Microsoft took 50% of the original bungie team and formed 343 with it, and over the years more of the original bungie team hopped back into 343.
@@amazingmexican12 I did not know that. That makes the botched releases even more surprising to me.... although maybe not considering how Destiny and Destiny 2 turned out at launch. So WTF happened to the team then? How do you go from HALO: Reach to... well I'm guessing you've seen HALO 5 and HALO Infinite. No complaints about the actual gameplay or sandbox, just everything else.
@@amazingmexican12 that’s a damn lie. The main guys all left. Joe, Jason, Marty, Markus, Jaime, Matt, Paul, and a few more all left. Whoever stayed with 343 either don’t matter or they’re Frank O’Connor who sucks ass.
@@amazingmexican12 This got blown out of proportion, it was two Bungie originals. An artist and a former content manager. Haven't heard or seen other Bungies devs hop to 343i since the split. That said, there was a good few of the original Bungie team that left Bungie during the Activision time like one of the music leads. But they did not go to 343i.
I'll play devil's advocate here and say their approach to the MCC since bringing it to PC/adding reach has been their one saving grace. The fact that they put out official modding tools for CE, 2, 3 and (soon to be) Reach is something to be celebrated amidst this litany of letdowns. The MCC team have given more to the community than they had any need to, and they have my respect for that.
they still ruined the progression system with that retarded battle pass system, the achievements of halo 3 and the credits of halo reach were drastically better systems, thye could have even let us link our old accounts and restore our progress
I don't know if its still true but the main PC release of MCC was splash damage, not even 343 so its possible that splash are still doing MCC and we can thank there hard work especially with the mountain they had to climb.
How 343 makes games. Halo 4- What's popular? COD? That's super easy, let's just make a COD game with Halo paint, BOOM MONEY. Halo 5- They like esports and Titanfall? Let's give that a spin! MONEY. Halo 6 (why DO they call it infinite? because they plan to just update this instead of release future halo games? Or because that's how long it'll take for it to become a decent game?)- The kids like Fortnite? RINSE AND REPEAT, with no thought as to how the monetary plan was actually designed around the main game mode that isn't even in our game. WE ARE MASTERS OF OUR CRAFT! The only games that might still have the "halo spirit" are current MCC (which you've seen how long it took them to get that right) and Halo Wars 2 (Which wasn't even entirely 343 and a different genre of game)
I have a buddy who recently left 343 as a software engineer. Long story short upper management is super woke. There are apparently more human resources employees than actual direct engineers developing the game. They also are apparently stuck in the early days of the pandemic. Collaboration is hard because all employees work remote even when employees suggest coming together for important critical design reviews which are a lot more efficient in person.
I dont want to say Microsoft pushed Halo Infinite out the door. The game was in development for 5-6 years. They allowed 343 to miss the console launch deadline and gave them a whole extra year. At that point, id want to see a return of investment
They had 6 years... 6 YEARS. That's more time than most games now these days get, and they had an extra year because of COVID and the backlash from the graphics. They had all this time to put in forge, co-op and multiplayer content to be consistently put out over the last 8 months... And instead we get BARELY 2 seasons of content, no new maps, no new weapons (yet), forge isn't until the beginning of next YEAR, with the co-op now OFFICALLY ONLINE ONLY. There absolutely was ZERO excuse to have any of this NOT to be in the base game at launch. If by some miracle they manage to attract some people back to the game, don't include me as one of them. I love Halo, its one of the first games I fell in love with growing up and couch co-op was the biggest part for me to have fun with my siblings, to now see it basically become a shell of its former self being degraded to such a state to the point of having some of the best cosmetic items behind fucking pay walls is nothing short of disrespectful, undignified, and above all, a shame. Me and my sister waited 8 months to be told split screen isn't coming ever... FUCK YOU, 343i. Just... Fuck you.
It's crazy how Bungie was able to give us five absolute bangers in just nine years. Meanwhile, 343 has had the franchise for a decade now and has fuck all to show for it.
I used to think that way, but then they started adding in stupid ass armor into H2A multiplayer. Guess they didn't like the contrast in quality, so they started dragging the classics down to their level.
“This game needed more time, but Microsoft pushed it out the door to sell their new console.” This is false. Microsoft originally wanted Halo Infinite to launch at the same time as the Xbox Series X in 2020, but they gave 343 another year, and this is after already giving them 5 years. Even before that, Halo 6 was supposed to come out in 2018, but 343 restarted developers, yet Microsoft gave 343 an extra 2 years so they wouldn’t be forced to pull a Halo 2, which had a notoriously fucked development cycle. I’m not usually one to defend Microsoft, but they’ve shown more patience with 343 than we have, they’ve been treating their developers well since Bungie left and Epic was bought out by Tencent.
Microsoft let 343 do whatever they wanted right up until the infamous gameplay demo where everyone roasted the awful graphics. Then they actually did an audit and realized the game was nowhere near what the audience wanted. That was when Staten was brought in. Before that the director position had already changed hands two or three times. It is difficult for me to imagine how Microsoft didn't see the signs sooner. 343 had publicly stated that they had no respect for the identity of Halo as a franchise and seemed dead set on bringing in people who didn't like or play Bungie Halo. Why? Why not just make a new IP instead? Why are so many people in the AAA industry obsessed with the idea of subverting established IPs?
Not the best example given Halo 2's development was an absolute nightmare of crunch and overtime that really only worked out because the devs wanted to make a good game and were, at least mostly, willing to suffer through that.
@@S3Cs4uN8 and it’s a great example. Bungie made a wholeeeee game in 8 months. 343 can’t even make co-op work with three times the amount of time in delays…
Halo Infinite also has the largest hacking population of any halo game ever, where as soon as you get into high diamond almost every game has at least 1 person hacking. And 343 doesn't give a shit, they literally do nothing.
343 is a pathetic excuse for a company. They had the game practically made for them and an indispensable budget yet delivered half of what Bungie ever made. Complete desecration of the halo franchise. Talented developers led by shameless, delusional management… tragic
@Corporal Spiro although I’ve had fun with all of 343s installations none of them have lived up as the successors of the halo franchise, it’ll be two years before Infinite is what we want it to be and we can only hope until then
Let's not forget that Halo Infinite also severely retconned the whole franchise, by making the Halo Array less serious as originally portrayed; "The Endless" shouldn't even exist.
You can’t market a game as a free to play live service game if you can’t deliver on that and be unable to consistently give us new content. Bungie has perfected the live service model with Destiny 2 and that game is still thriving even five years later. Halo doesn’t have to follow that trend.
343 won't go. And you know why? Its because Microsoft doesn't care. Halo isn't their flagship series anymore with all the new studios they acquired in the last couple years, Halo can flounder and die and it doesn't affect Microsoft in the slightest. So Essentially Microsoft disowned Halo and 343 gets to make their drunken messes of 'Halo' games.
They don't care about exclusives or first party titles; they have not for a long time. Their current business tactic is to focus on one thing only: subsciption-based service (Game Pass). Shower the consumer with tons of games for a cheap price so that they won't complain about the diminishing quality of their own games. Reality is that people are buying into Game Pass like moths to a flame and mass consumption does make feedback eventually irrelevant.
im a pretty social person and have alot of ppl come over to my house.....im usally playing games taking shit and smoking together.....the most said thing from everyone who has watched me play in person is .."oh is that the new halo, looks sic, is there SPLIT SCREEN?".. why is it all these fans of halo back in the day have the most nostalgic memories of split screen and still all these years later still ask for it ...... i want forge i want season 3 bad but u know what i want more to order pizza sit on my couches with my mates and tee bag each other on halo!!!.....343 is this really asking too much? ......343 you may need a new community rep!.......343 who was your broader audience?.....you hit the leader boreds on steam for most players at one time, why did they come coz halo already has a huge audience and were are they now?? if your not making a game for halo fans why on earth did u take over the IP?????
@@Joe-in2kp Ok, fair, but sitting on the couch and playing halo with your friends was what halo was all about. It was a party game. I didn’t get into Halo until a few years ago now it’s one of my favourite franchises. I remember going over to my friends houses and playing halo and not knowing what halo was, but I still had a blast it was so fun. That’s what Halo is about playing with friends and having fun.
@@somerandomidiot1333 Yeah but we need to pick and choose our battles. Nostalgia isn't a good justification. As games add on new features, there HAVE to be ones that we let go. Otherwise the maintenance, cost, and use of developer time piles up. I think split screen is a fair one to let go.
@@Joe-in2kp That argument only holds up in a world where the resources that would be spent making splitscreen instead went towards making other aspects of the game that much better... but here's the problem, they didn't. Halo Infinite, despite having 6 and a half years of development at this point and hundreds of millions in funding has so, so many issues. In _no_ area is it exceptional. The campaign is bland and repetitive, the multiplayer has the fewest maps of any Halo title at this point in its life and is plagued by desync, theater and custom games are broken, we still have no forge or even network campaign co-op, the UI is a slow and buggy mess, the list goes on... I'll _maybe_ accept your argument that splitscreen co-op will eventually need to be dropped to focus on making other things that much better, but only when I see some results to actually indicate that.
@@343Films It logically follows that by freeing up resources, there will be more resources to allocate to other things. In a world that adheres to logic (This universe does) this is necessarily true. Also, your argument that the game is shit, also supports my argument that they clearly need to free up resources, because they have been unable to juggle what they currently have. They wouldn't cancel split screen unless they felt they had to. If you have issue with them being a mess that's fine, but that doesn't disregard the point that split-screen is an outdated feature and wanting pure nostalgia is not a good enough reason to keep it. Specially when they already know and have shown that the amount of people who make up split-screen community is negligible.
343i doesn’t need to go. Its MANAGEMENT needs to go. The developers there are incredibly talented, but great work gets shit on when the captains steering the ship don’t know what they’re doing.
Absolutely agree, and i was HYPED for this game, came out on my birthday, loved the campaign, did laso and nothing. No banner, armor, or affect to show off the pain and grinding i did for it, every achievement unlocked for the campaign (all except all the bullshit multiplayer ones), I tried to love the multiplayer and it hurts to see a game I've grownup with get so fucked over. Also nice beard mate
2:39 “I’m pretty sure they can catch a suit for that, and I think that they should.” An empty promise is not the same as a contract violation. Promising something with a product and then not doing it before shipping it isn’t illegal. Companies do this all the time. I’m not saying it’s right for them to do this, but at the time of release it wasn’t there and customers knew this. As a result, the customer is responsible for their purchase on what’s there day one.
They only cancelled split-screen coop a few days ago, and when the game shipped they literally promised it. It's dangerously close to fake advertising but they might come off clean.
@@radosawrudolf4931 false advertising would be saying it’s in the game when they ship it and then it’s not there. Saying they’ll eventually add it and then deciding not to is not, because they never advertised it as being in there day one.
Nah it's false advertising and lying to consumers/breaking promises and people should not be okay with it or let them get away with it. After halo 5 343 promised the next halo would have split screen co op and yet they broke that promise.
I'm glad you bring up infinite's core game play being fun because it is. It was why I played it for months. The lack of content didn't even ruin it for me. The horrible optimization ruined it for me and the horrible inconsistencies in the servers.. or the desync whatever you call it. It felt like it got worse after every patch.
The optimization is a joke. I have a 3090| Ryzen 9 3900x| 32GB DDR4 3200 ram and the game is installed on a 970evo m.2 ssd... and I can barley rack 144fps on low... low settings. It runs like garbage.
Nobody asked for paywalled colors, credits, cosmetics or skins. Everything was earned via achievements or credits earned through playing Multiplayer, and there were no ridiculous, lazy tropes such as BattlePasses. Halo ended with Halo 3/Reach. The only functioning system of Halo Infinite, is that stupid f*cking store. Everything else is terribly flawed. Where is Forge? Where is the split-screen campaign? Where is everything that makes a Halo game, a Halo game?
Exactly. I was so patient with 343, still played Halo 4, 5, MCC and Infinite no matter how unhappy I was with them. Until and unless Infinite gets a soft relaunch like Destiny had The Taken King, I'm out.
30 seconds in and you’ve already summed the state of Halo perfectly. Had to give this video a like. This was perfect. I’m done with giving 343 another chance. I can’t believe I’ve given up with the Halo franchise and I’ve been with it since 2001…. It’s a shame. It seems like another lifetime ago when Halo was the biggest thing out. Peter Jackson was scheduled to make a film, Master Chief was everywhere, Roosterteeth Red vs Blue, Machinima, Custom Games, Halo 3, Halo 3: ODST, Halo Reach. Those were the days… 😞 It feels like Halo had its time in the sun but it’s time for the franchise to end if 343 is still running it.
if they needed 6 years to make a game this empty i think the developers are to blame too. No matter who makes the dicisions up there, if you are so damn slow at making small stuff like coop split screen - then you might be not good at what you are doing. Im no developer, but this cant be hard enough to cut it
Yeah, developers have the power to override their upper management's decisions since they're the boots on the ground. I am willing to bet that most games have features that really made it a killer app that the producer/director didn't want in the game.
Definitely, need a complete restart of the entire studio. Anyone saying its just the management, management didn't ask the devs to not model Jorge's shoulderpads or misaligned cosmetics or release non-Reach cosmetics in the Reach BP or refuse to add gamemodes into rotation.
It's the fact that it is contractors. Microsoft is being cheap and doesn't want to hire FTEs, and these people cycle out, taking the experience with them out the door
All very solid points. Upper management, even in the glassdoor reviews, seems to be the factor that has ruined many aspects of the game's direction and lack of content/fun.
Changing leadership/actual consequences for upper-level game devs is nigh unheard of. Almost seems like it doesn't matter if they make horrendous decisions and failing games, they've already achieved their status and there's absolutely no way to keep them in check because they're being paid fat stacks no matter the result. And of course, who's going to tell the boss he's wrong when his paycheck says he's right?😵😵
I can’t imagine that they had a one in a million chance to bring Halo back as one of the most popular shooters because CoD and Battlefield came out with some of their worst games, only for them to screw it up royally by doing nothing at all with Infinite. It’s not even funny it’s just sad.
Man thanks for being so straight up and calling it how it is. I’m tired of people defending 343 and their poor practices. They’ve never understood what made Halo special to begin with. 4 games down the line, they still don’t. Pain.
I think Halo has been the victim of a long list of problems. First off, Bonnie Ross. I honestly think she doesn't understand the Halo franchise. Second, Microsofts hands-off aproach isn't working, and 343i is evidence of that, all I can say is, they better figure it out before the Activision Blizzard acquisition goes thru or else we'll see a repeat of this shit show. Third, its identity problem. Halo isn't COD, HALO isn't Fortnite, it isn't Destiny and it isn't F2P. Halo isn't entirely open world but a corridor shooter at its heart. Halo is Halo, and it shouldn't try to be anything else. Halo is the Master Chief, Halo is Cortana, Halo is the campaign, Halo is Co-op, Halo is that college room Lan party of the Old days. If I'm not mistaken, Halo Infinite had multiple direction changes over the course of its six year development. Changing 343 for an entire new developer would be a catastrophe. What 343 should do is get rid of Bonnie Ross, Frank O Connor, and reshuffle upper management with Staten at the helm, bring Marty O'Donnell back for music and remake Halo. Forget Halo 5, Forget Infinite and maybe take the fight somewhere else. Halo tactics or missions or whatever, what does the MC do when not saving mankind? I dunno, just spitballing here.
Most Management that was there prior to Joe’s return should absolutely go(minus Sketch, he gets a pass) However as a studio a rebranding/acquisition of Certain Affinity would probably the most logical way forward as far as “firing” 343. Microsoft isn’t going to pawn off halo to any developer they don’t have 150% control over.
Sketch aka Brian “servers cost money/the UI can’t handle it/still assessing the feasibility of a slayer playlist” Jarrard definitely doesn’t get a pass lol
Ske7ch has to go to, he's defending the management's shit and is on board with them ideologically, meaning he'll just infect the incoming crop with it (if they haven't already been, knowing the state of AAA gaming).
It's not 343 as a studio. It is the people leading it the way it is. Bonnie ross and anyone else who is failing to do what is needed needs to go. Bonnie has had issues with 4, MCC, 5, Halo Wars 2 is abandoned and has server issues and Infinite. There are plenty of good people in 343 that want to do good for halo and love halo. 343 is the studio for halo it is halo! you cannot just chuck another studio who may not even like halo in the first place forced to make a game they don't want. 343 however has people coming there to work on the franchise they love! that is one of the biggest importance in the game industry, people work on what they want. The issue is these people don't have the final say in what goes on, the heads do. The head of Xbox switched out after the failure of Xbox one, why can they not do the same for 343???
Honestly I can’t believe it’s taken this long for the community to finally and unanimously demand a change. I’ve been screaming into the void for years over this half-baked, greedy bullshit
I'm kinda glad I didn't spend a penny on the game. Also I'm done buying games from AAA studios because 80-90% of the game they're pumping out is hot garbage. Get yourself a PC gentlemen if you haven't already and play more indie games.
People shouldn't blame Microsoft for the unreleased state of the game at launch. 343i had over 6 years (now coming on 7) and the game still isn't finished. They had their time. Now their time is up.
@@TheKennyboy92 That doesn't really matter. Most games don't take six years to develop. Any further and you are simply wasting shareholder time and money. Yes, Microsoft shouldn't have released it in this state, but at the same time, there's no excuse for why 6 years amounted to almost nothing for consumers after just a few months.
@@TheKennyboy92 At what point are 343 accountable in your eyes? They were already given a budget larger than Red Dead Redemption 2, GTA V, and even Avengers freakin Endgame to make Halo Infinite. They were given six full years (and then some if you're looking at this in the context of where we're at now post launch). Are you arguing that Microsoft should have given them even more hundreds of millions in funding and 3-4 more years, on top of the record 6 they had? Remember, 343 already had twice the length of time that any previous Halo title took to make. In the same length of time, Bungie put out Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo 3: ODST, and Halo: Reach... At what point are you going to accept, whether solely due to the leadership or not, 343 is incredibly inept?
You know things are messed up when a sequel to a game that had 3 different developers over 8+ years and remained silent for most of them with the original intent of competing with dying light 1 seems more promising than halo infinite
Nah, this new road map is what's gonna finally put Infinite in the ground. With all of 343's screw-ups with previous Halo's and the absolute disaster that is Infinite, I think its finally going to cause Microsoft to act. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we hear in the next few weeks to months that 343's management all gets canned and replaced.
You’re completely delusional if you think that’s the case. Barely 2k people are playing halo, and after this new cod release halo really will be dead. Season 3 isn’t coming out til March, by then no one will be playing halo
@@SideStrafed I think the game earlier today hit a record low at 700 players if it gets below 500-400 players I think the Halo infinite will need to be shut down or it could be the 1st major online multiplayer game where the servers are forced to shut down because the player base is extremely small to keep the servers up and running very surprising never thought id see the day Halo would fall of that bad it's crazy
That Lead Live Service guy is a dimwit. The road map he wants to implement should have been done from the get go. False promises, desync never fix, they lied about the customization, Bonnie lied about not putting out an incomplete game, UI menu should not take 3-5 mins to load with 10gb, Joe & Phil smiled in my face after lying multiple times. I’ve been asking my friend bout 343 getting sued. It is possible!
Hey guess what? That live service guy was recently promoted to that position after the previous guy peaced out a few months after release. So the “dimwit” is the guy picking up the pieces the previous live service head left them in.
@@PixelationMusic Didn’t know this, seeing as how he’d been there for 10 years I thought he had a more integral role in the live service aspect of the game :o.
I agree with everything you said. Halo under 343 has died. Bungie was the heart and soul of halo, without them I don't think we'll get a good halo game again.
YO THIS GUY I STG SPREADING MAD FAX. I have never seen a more honest opinion on how underwhelming the production of Halo has been the past few years. I also grew up with Halo 3 and stopped after Reach when I switched to PS4, and honestly it was probably for the best since I missed out on 4 and 5 before coming back to the franchise on PC for MCC and finally infinite. I've never been a fan of microtransactions but can understand with Infinite being a free game. My biggest issue with the game has been the lack of optimization and of course the DESYNC. Every single person I know that plays this game has the same complains and 343 has turned a blind eye to the main issues to work on content that isn't enough to justify the 10 months since it's release. I always think back in 2010 where the base game was enough entertainment to spend hours on and actually have fun doing it. It's a shame that companies like this only really care for profit and not fans. I've seen it happen before and I truly hope Halo doesn't become one of those dead franchises that we only remember from our youth when it was at it's best.
I'll echo this until my tongue bleeds; you're spot on. I think this game (Infinite) is the saddest game I've ever played. What makes it so depressing to me, is that the bones of the game are great (when it works). I had a blast playing Multiplayer, and even delighted in the Last Spartan Standing game mode. But every single other thing surrounding this game is, to put it politely, elementary. The campaign was kneecapped in the months leading up to release, and MAJOR parts of not just the story but the map itself were deleted all to account for "Time saving tactics", the microtransactions and store in general is the most gaudy and greedy thing I've ever seen in gaming, and that's coming from a guy who bought Destiny legendary edition, only to have to buy the game AGAIN when the expansion came out. This studio has shown it's true colors, time and time again, and it's just so sad to see developers, who clearly love this game, being misused and downright disrespected by having their work thrown under the bus the way 343 has done. I don't think Infinite will ever come back from this hole they've dug themselves, all I can say is. I sure hope the shareholders at Microsoft are happy with their dividends, because they had to crucify Master Chief to do so.
I think that part of the problem with halo infinite is that 343 probably spent the 6 years trying to make their own game engine instead of using a pre-existing one and what they made was ultimately not as powerful as most pre-existing game engines. I assume then that 343 though that because they had spent so long on the engine, it was practically perfect, which it was not. So they pushed for releasing the game early without the proper amount of content which ultimately led to its downfall. Just speculation and assumptions based on what I’ve gathered from the situation though.
@@ultraego6678 so is the development thought process. They almost put crafting and crafting materials in the game before someone stepped in and said this is the master chief he'll just kill some banished idiot for whatever he needs. He's not gonna stop saving the galaxy to craft some ammo or a new grappling hook
Thank you for centering this anger on 343's management! The devs are likely overworked and underpaided and it drives me nuts when gamers focus their anger at them instead of their bosses.
they are at fault too. whats their qualifications? are they skilled enough to be making video games? do they even like halo? ive seen the devs for halo 4 and onwards and none of them seem like they were into halo or gave a shit and it seems thats the trend still
My favorite part from the road map was “match XP beta” a year after release they’re making an actual progression system… but it’s still in beta. Edit: and custom games is still broken lol
I liked Halo 4's artsyle, they changed it but didn't go too far it was a nice evolution. 5 is where it got out of hand and they started looking like power rangers.
I was the same way. When the multiplayer dropped early, and had little content, it was a "beta." so nobody really thought much of it. Then Dec.8.21 happened, and they literally added 0 content aside from the campaign. The story is 343's best, but it is not Halo's best. So when I completed it, I went back to multiplayer and got bored fast. The core of infinite is fun, but their engine is so unstable that they literally cannot get any work done. Why was it so important to get Halo infinite to run on the "slipspace" engine. Why couldn't 343 see how unstable it was and trash it for something like unreal engine 5. It's over for this game. Waiting a year and 3 months for co-op... good lord.
We need to place these clowns on trial, Like they did to the Arbiter at the start of Halo 2. Halo absolutely needs a new developer, or at least 343 needs to undergo a purge and bring in some people who actually capable of making a Halo game instead of a hyper-monetized mess with a broken UI.
Thank you!! I’ve been saying this since two months after launch when I dipped… we need to let this game die as quickly as possible so the chances are higher 343i loses the mantle of Halo sooner
I never understood why they allowed 343 to develop the Halo series, its genuinely depressing to see where the series ended up where it is. And I was SO DAMN HYPED for Halo Infinite too that I had pre-ordered it months before release which is something I don't often do.
Actually liked halo 4 as a first try, I'll always say that. They tried new things in multiplayer and made a deeper story. They totes fucked up the ammo and the gameplay of the promethians (whom i do think had a lot of good ideas and designs at least), but I wont take away credit where credit is due... especially since so little credit is due.
yeah, halo 4 is 343's strongest game in terms of narrative and soul. h5's multiplayer was good but only after a few years worth of updates. infinite can't even seem to match h5's rate of updates
deeper story? the Story was hairy dog shit the campaign was the worst I've ever played the new forerunner enemy's were shit and therefore most of the gameplay, the game was crap I'm 25 years old now and 343 has done nothing but disappoint me atleast they eventually made the masterchief collection playable only thing they ever did right even though it took them fucking forever because the developers of 343 have the braincells of a retarded chipmunk they can't even remake a game let alone be trusted with making their own game that company needs to go fuck 343
As a small indi dev myself all the problems we're seeing stem from the engine itself. Not being able to have new playlists because of UI restrictions streight up isn't normal. I could only imagine where this game would be right now if it was built in Unrealengine from the beginning.
it seems the halo 3 and reach engine was more robust and stable than whatever they did with slipspace (those games had more content at launch with a shorter dev period)
It seems that most games lately are built on custom engines that make more issues for the devs. Why don't they just use unreal? Why go thorough the trouble of reinventing the wheel?
@@tyrcipher8811 I agree, even though it is an awesome engine and does just about anything you can come up with, there is certain magic to having a purpose built engine for a game like Halo. Unfortunately the engine they built is garbage.
I always said that H4 was a good game, but I never thought it was a good Halo game. They never captured the core of what made Halo, Halo in my eyes. H5, in my opinion, was straight garbage through and through. I think Infinite is a great game, I really enjoyed the campaign and the core gameplay mechanics are some of the best I think we've seen in a Halo title, but there is literally no content. I have some experience making 3D models and I could have pushed out three times as much content as 343i has by now. What's inexcusable is the lack of game modes. All of the tools are literally right there, just add a new game mode into rotation, it's not hard to adjust the custom game settings. 343i is just a garbage studio.
@@neildees1761 I completely agree with that. Infinite campaign was great. It's definitely the lack of content. I beat the campaign and put it down in Feb, came back last month. The multi-player is great, but after a month of consistent play, it's a bit stale. And I'm also insanely bummed about waiting even longer for Forge, but I do get why at least. Forge is one of my favorite aspects of Halo now. But I used to always play co-op campaign with my friends, so I'm incredibly salty about it. I don't exactly understand what the real issue is with that. Sounds like they need to hit up their homies at Bungie for some help *coughDestinycough*
What are y'alls thoughts on this? Should Halo be passed on to a new developer? I'm working on a follow up to this video talking about the entire mess of "modern gaming."
also:
I'm aware I said "Forge" twice lol. Just replace the first "Forge" with "firefight."
I cannot believe that 343 Industries has screwed itself up into oblivion so badly that it took the 6 Years to release a TENTH of a Halo Game. The team over at MCC, which I'm lovingly calling 2401 Studios has added more content in one Update than Infinite's ENTIRE "Live Service". Screw you 343.
Making a new studio or replacing people probably won't help. They have no legacy with Halo and it seems nobody understands how to make Halo. Plus it's more than 343, it's Microsoft game studios management also forcing things like f2p or contractors. Bungie fought Microsoft on control over their IP and freedom to do things their way, it's part of why they left. A new studio and staff will just get pushed around because they have no reputation or clout like Bungie did as the creator of Halo.
It'd be pretty sad for Microsoft if they had to close a studio they made just to handle Halo because they're not capable.
So much potential, so many ways they could have gone right but they were just so good at being shit
Yes please. I've been asking for them to get replaced for 10 years now.
Which other developer can you trust? If they make a new one from scratch it will be in the same place it is now.. Honestly I think all the leadership should go and Bonnie Ross should be the first to resign. It should be lead by Joseph Staten. He needs to bring back some of the core developers essentially making it Bungie 2.0. 343i nailed the art style and game play and gave them a good foundation to work with but it doesn't mean anything if Bonnie Ross is in charge and the culture stays the way it is. The company needs a refresh in order for halo to be successful.
When 343 was trying to sell 20 dollar nail polish so players could acquire the color purple….I knew how out of touch and greedy this company has become.
There were red flags almost every week. Adding the track record for Microsoft and its lack of focus on gaming...how many times your GF bangs you buddies before enough is enough. I went pc in 2019. Put your support into something else
Facts…and ppl scoff @ you when you say. “Nah I’m not interested in micro transactions” I just want a better game….
They’re like.”but you can get this gold armor color and these Cat Ears, and these big buff shoulder plates” compared to Reach everything is just sub par @ BEST!!
I mean to be fair 343 doesn’t control the price of the other brands nail polish
@@sociallyinactiveiv5905 how about just having the color purple be a free base color(along with every other Color) like previous titles? It's fair to say 343 has control over that.
Forty just to have good ole white and blue too...
Branding a game as “live-service” is like a straight up death sentence when the studio has no god damn idea how to support a beast like that.
Some may recall that Fortnite, the template for a modern live service, wasn't a live service until weeks after the battle royale released. They focused on making the game first, then gradually built the live service around it. Same goes for Team Fortress 2, the first modern free to play live service game.
You can say that again. Just ask the red dead online fanbase. That game was deprived of all content that would have made sense for it, yet the monetization was there.
@@GruntyGame yeah people hate on that game all they want.. least it actually has stuff I want!!. Lol
Edit: sorry let me edit this comment for you guys cause you’re all too slow to understand that I was talking about people in GENERAL😂😂😂.
Destiny 2?
@@thelink6756 What game am I hating on?
The fact Microsoft allowed their biggest Gaming Franchise to collapse in front of their eyes is truly heartbreaking
I swear it's so bad it almost seems like they've been intentionally tanking the franchise since 2014
Allowed? I guarantee you this is no one’s fault but theirs
@@SkuIIKn1ght It’s because Microsoft doesn’t give a shit about their games, they want IPs so they don’t get left behind by PC, PlayStation and even Nintendo
@@SkuIIKn1ght Long before then.
Halo isn't Microsoft biggest game franchise now. They bought Bethesda and Blizzard. Halo is a footnote to them that they don't care about anymore
There is something ROTTEN inside 343. My feeling is that there are some bad eggs working in the higher levels of 343 and it is having a trickle down effect within the company. Something is wrong when a company spends as much money as 343 did and puts out the trash known as halo infinite.
Ya know you don’t just magically get a better game for spending more money on it
@@lego1999100 you also don't just happen to get zero content after spending half a billion dollars on development. There is no excuse for this. There may be reasons, but absolutely zero excuse.
Frank O'Connor.
Microsoft can just casually throw 100 billion and buy two of the biggest companies in gaming but seemingly can't spare any money for the struggling studio of their flagship franchise. It's good that Bungie's original games are so good that they can be enjoyed even decades after their release, but the fact that the Halo formula which I personally think is a simple formula to get right can't be replicated by either the studio or owner is depressing. It would not surprise me if once the Activision deal goes through Call of Duty ends up replacing Halo as the face of Xbox.
Sadly I do think that will happen which truly breaks my heart this game changed gaming history forever and it’s gone down the drain
I don’t think any amount of money can save 343
@@ANTHONISHERE problem is, Bungie can't help either, they are still busy with destiny 2 and are working on a new IP. and even if they can, the people that made Bungie Bungie either joined 343 or where sacked by Activision
@@wolfgamer8770 Yeah I agree I don’t really wanna sound like this but I just don’t think halo has no hope left for it. Halo is pretty much dead no forge no amount of battlepasses will save it.
Cod is Microsoft’s golden child now
I think 343 needs to be audited to find out what’s going on in the company. Where’s all the resources going, and how they managed to spend half a billion on a third of a game. And then leadership needs to be completely changed and filled with people who understand what halo is supposed to be
God I hope something like that happens or at the very least the pieces of shit in charge leave. I’ll never lose hope but boy is it diminishing exponentially
the half billion was debunked
343 fans are crossdressing fruitcakes lol
@@degayify what?
@@kombatant2154 by who? And how much did it actually cost then
The fact that Microsoft is allowing this ongoing "mismanagement" tells me that nothing will *EVER* change. Microsoft hand-picked these corporate goons to squeeze every last drop of blood out of Halo before abandoning it. If this were not contrived from above, it wouldn't be happening at all.
For me, the Halo Reach campaign is my favorite. It hits me right in the feels. The score is fantastic and they captured the feeling of fighting a losing war super well
Okay, what does this have to do with the video or what was discussed in it?
Nice
How is this relevant to this video?
To quote the Prophet of Regret from Halo 2: "Of all the objects that our lords left behind, there are NONE so worthless as 343i!!"
343: They know nothing about making games
Monitor 2401: And you know nothing about Halo, you have demonstrated complete disregard for even the most basic protocols
To quote the prophet of regret from halo 2: regret regret regret
@@iainkilcar7463 Translation: "Dear humanity, we regret being game developers, we regret coming to Microsoft, and we most definitely regret that the Halo community just blew up our raggedy-ass game!"
@@side7oldtype298 OORAH!
You're absolutely right to put emphasis on management. How long has Sean Baron been focusing on competitive gaming while Head of Live Services, and how hasn't a senior producer or director pulled him aside to emphasise the importance of social gaming? Is it because 6 years ago someone in pre-production wrote "Competitive Shooter" on the whiteboard and nobody of importance has questioned it since?
He has a pronoun in twitter bio. He is protected.
@@Destroyer19941995 No wonder everything in Infinite is so non binary.
@@YarugumaSou that’s fucking funny.
@@Destroyer19941995 Yep and one of his BIG goals is *Player Inclusivity*
He mentioned Player Inclusivity before he even acknowledged that desync is an issue. Anyone with their head still screwed on in 2022 can read between the lines on that one.
I get that there is people who enjoy really hardcore competitive games but I personally fall in the more casual crowd, so when infinite released with no firefight, coop campaign, or forge I kinda just lost interest. I tried just playing the normal pvp and I just cant really get into it. I respect it and the players who like it, but playing it feels like a job sometimes.
I jumped ship when 343 refused to address the unoptimized state that the PC version had, terrible mouse lag, maxing out GPU's in the MAIN MENU, desync issues across all platforms, etc.
Yup, I’ve said this for years. 3 strikes you’re out and 343 has been struck out! They have failed so miserably with one of the biggest franchises on the planet. This IP needs to be removed from 343i and given to a studio that will respect it. They also need to either build a new engine or move it to Unreal 5 and relaunch it in an engine that can do the job right.
You started with 3 I started coming off the heels of Goldeneye 64, and Halo CE blew my mind. I owned 3 Xboxes 3 TVs and 13 controllers. We drilled holes in the floor of my townhouse and had a permanent LAN. So many nights and so many good memories. This was before Xbox Live, I was 19 years old and loved every minute it! I still think Halo can make a comeback, but not with 343i steering the ship.
Fun fact the engine for this Halo is a new engine. This is there attempt at a new engine. its also 4 strikes, MCC was broken for years and a dedicated team had to be brought in to fix it and the PC release was Splash damage.
One of the things that killed me the most was how they said that Halo at its core is a "hyper-competitive" game. That's exactly the opposite of what Bungie used to say, when Bungie would say it was designed to be social and fun, where the mmr was not strict sbmm. Halo was NEVER hyper-competitive, and now it's just painfully sterile, where all the maps and modes feel exactly the same. I hate everything about Halo Infinite.
Well said, as someone who plays competitive fps games, its not fun anymore, I want to have fun but these companies are dead set on "sbmm". I don't want to play your game if I'm constantly getting shit on just so I'm kept in the middle of whatever metric they have set.
Halo 2, 3, and Reach are all great examples on proving the fact that at its core halo is simply not a competitive game, at least not at its core, custom games were the birthplace of modes like infection back in the halo 2 days, halo 3 and its introduction of forge made it so anyone could make a new map, which forge blew up, than reach further expanded forge, hell I remember spending half the time in reach on forge world split screen or online with my friends just fucking around, or playing some weird game modes in custom games with a bunch or randoms I met online
You get pub stomped you might pub stomp but you won't be average every game
The game didn't need more time, it needed a studio that actually cared and who's focus at the end of the day was fun and not competitive balance.
the devs seem to genuinely care. its the higher ups that dont give a shit.
@@RaptorMocha nah even the devs didn't care
@@Licmebro no i think the devs care.
@@Licmebro If they didn’t care, they wouldn’t have brought us the most universally beloved artstyle since Halo Reach.
@@supermysticsonic2 did you not watch the video? We didn’t want the art style in halo 4 or halo 5
They had room for micro-transactions but not room for the game itself.
It's Bonnie Ross dude, not just the company. Half of her paragraph speech is about diversity and inclusion. She also has tried to push Phil Spencer to ban Xbox Live users for sexist comments. Pay close attention because this is who will most likely succeed Phil as head of Xbox when he retires
Big props for calling out the management and not the devs. Absolutely agree with you, it’s a shame what’s (been) happening to one of my favorite franchises.
Its definitely both. If its just management then youd expect poor rational over all and if its the devs then you'd expect its being buggy / unimaginative. The entire studio is compromised of at best mediocre people and at worse malicious antagonists that should be bullied out of the industry.
I mean, its definitely on the devs too, the games single player is kinda wack, huge empty world with super linear corridor based story missions.
@@airsoul366 Its not, Software Devs basically get homework and they do it, you can add a few notes while writing the code or you can make minor adjusments, but you cant simply say "this question is wrong" because you get fired. Map layout is strictly managed by the Director and the blueprint they picked, you deviate from it and you get removed from working on that project.
@@thekey1175 As I just answered, unimaginate is 99% purely chosen by the Director not Devs/Coders, but on the Buggy side I mostly agree, the only exception would be when the Higher Up force you to code the game in A) A coding language that sucks balls (a lot of badly optomized games use multiple unneeded languages) & B) A predetermined Blueprint that was picked by a "Profesional Engineer that knows best" and just sucks, but you cant change it because its not part of the contract so you either get fired or write the code.
Considering most Programmers actually dont get to choose what Blueprints they think are best or what Code they write, misplacing blame on Devs instead of Management actually happens a lot, and its nearly always Managements fault.
@@Chris____. Management and "higher-ups" have been continually blamed for atleast the last decade and eventually they get replaced but the same lousy product gets shipped. I'm talking about really lazy or maliciously made textures or environments in some cases literally stolen from other people like what's been seen out of blizzard. The amount of people who are trained for arts or in other areas of game development are massive and growing every year its not impossible to imagine they are either bad at their job or intentionally evil.
THANK YOU for emphasizing it's not "the devs". As someone who works in a tangential field in technology, project management and leadership are always the problem. M$, and 343 leadership needs some serious reworking.
Halo infinite was admittingly really fun when it came out. For the first time I was able to play a halo release with all my friends because the multiplayer was free and on PC. After about a few days of playing though, we all quickly realized that we felt like we were playing a game demo with very little content. We grinded out some ranked and reached Onyx, but at that point it had felt like we had beat the multiplayer because that was just about all there was to achieve. Finally after about a month or 2 after release most of my friends uninstalled the game and we haven't played together since and I rarely play it too.
thats the problem with infinte, its not really fun. fuck i must have played halo 2 zanzibar, waterworks and new mombasa metropolis a 1000 times and never got sick of it because the gameplay and map design was superb. halo infinite gameplay is boring and its maps are fucking boring. people complain that theres is no content to unlock but halo wasnt known for that. halo was known for how much fun the game was to play and always wanting to keep playing through the night. 343 has never been able to get that. which is funny because bungie made documentaries explaning just this thing and they refuse to watch them
A great man once said, "YOU DONE FUCKED IT UP"
Someone once said it simply: there are studios that can hack it and there are studios that can't.
343 isn't Bungie and they don't seem to know how to handle HALO or deliver good products at launch.
You do realize that about 90% of 343 is the original Bungie team right? When they left Microsoft took 50% of the original bungie team and formed 343 with it, and over the years more of the original bungie team hopped back into 343.
@@amazingmexican12 I did not know that. That makes the botched releases even more surprising to me.... although maybe not considering how Destiny and Destiny 2 turned out at launch.
So WTF happened to the team then? How do you go from HALO: Reach to... well I'm guessing you've seen HALO 5 and HALO Infinite. No complaints about the actual gameplay or sandbox, just everything else.
@@amazingmexican12 that’s a damn lie. The main guys all left. Joe, Jason, Marty, Markus, Jaime, Matt, Paul, and a few more all left. Whoever stayed with 343 either don’t matter or they’re Frank O’Connor who sucks ass.
@@amazingmexican12 This got blown out of proportion, it was two Bungie originals. An artist and a former content manager. Haven't heard or seen other Bungies devs hop to 343i since the split.
That said, there was a good few of the original Bungie team that left Bungie during the Activision time like one of the music leads. But they did not go to 343i.
@@amazingmexican12 yeah these “90%” of the original team are none of the big decision makers.
I'll play devil's advocate here and say their approach to the MCC since bringing it to PC/adding reach has been their one saving grace. The fact that they put out official modding tools for CE, 2, 3 and (soon to be) Reach is something to be celebrated amidst this litany of letdowns. The MCC team have given more to the community than they had any need to, and they have my respect for that.
I agree. MCC took a long time, but it is great now.
they still ruined the progression system with that retarded battle pass system, the achievements of halo 3 and the credits of halo reach were drastically better systems, thye could have even let us link our old accounts and restore our progress
I don't know if its still true but the main PC release of MCC was splash damage, not even 343 so its possible that splash are still doing MCC and we can thank there hard work especially with the mountain they had to climb.
How 343 makes games.
Halo 4- What's popular? COD? That's super easy, let's just make a COD game with Halo paint, BOOM MONEY.
Halo 5- They like esports and Titanfall? Let's give that a spin! MONEY.
Halo 6 (why DO they call it infinite? because they plan to just update this instead of release future halo games? Or because that's how long it'll take for it to become a decent game?)- The kids like Fortnite? RINSE AND REPEAT, with no thought as to how the monetary plan was actually designed around the main game mode that isn't even in our game.
WE ARE MASTERS OF OUR CRAFT!
The only games that might still have the "halo spirit" are current MCC (which you've seen how long it took them to get that right)
and Halo Wars 2 (Which wasn't even entirely 343 and a different genre of game)
I have a buddy who recently left 343 as a software engineer.
Long story short upper management is super woke.
There are apparently more human resources employees than actual direct engineers developing the game.
They also are apparently stuck in the early days of the pandemic. Collaboration is hard because all employees work remote even when employees suggest coming together for important critical design reviews which are a lot more efficient in person.
Oofta… that’s pretty fucked - they need to clean house then
No wonder infinite is in its current state. Yikes.
Pathetic piece of crap company. I'm glad your friend got out of there, and I hope the next job is ten times better.
Although its true being there in person is more efficient. Working from home is a luxury that most people dont want to give up so easily
I can believe that with everything that happened to this trash game
Agreed, 343 needs a ground-up restructuring of all of its management. They have fucked up again and again, and the mistakes keep coming.
I dont want to say Microsoft pushed Halo Infinite out the door. The game was in development for 5-6 years. They allowed 343 to miss the console launch deadline and gave them a whole extra year. At that point, id want to see a return of investment
We need a reboot starting at halo 4!
They had 6 years... 6 YEARS. That's more time than most games now these days get, and they had an extra year because of COVID and the backlash from the graphics. They had all this time to put in forge, co-op and multiplayer content to be consistently put out over the last 8 months...
And instead we get BARELY 2 seasons of content, no new maps, no new weapons (yet), forge isn't until the beginning of next YEAR, with the co-op now OFFICALLY ONLINE ONLY.
There absolutely was ZERO excuse to have any of this NOT to be in the base game at launch. If by some miracle they manage to attract some people back to the game, don't include me as one of them. I love Halo, its one of the first games I fell in love with growing up and couch co-op was the biggest part for me to have fun with my siblings, to now see it basically become a shell of its former self being degraded to such a state to the point of having some of the best cosmetic items behind fucking pay walls is nothing short of disrespectful, undignified, and above all, a shame.
Me and my sister waited 8 months to be told split screen isn't coming ever... FUCK YOU, 343i. Just... Fuck you.
+-6 years is a hardware dev cycle lmao
oh yeah they cancelled both coop and split screen:D
@@VarenvelDarakus wait, didn't they say network co-op was still going to be a thing in the last dev update?
To put things into perspective after bungie released halo CE in 2001 they managed to pump out both halo 2 and Halo 3 in 6 years
@@rexzilla4277 i think it might be just couch coop , but would not be surprised if they canceled online one too
So sad to see how halo has became worse because of 343, I'm glad we still have the old games.
It's crazy how Bungie was able to give us five absolute bangers in just nine years. Meanwhile, 343 has had the franchise for a decade now and has fuck all to show for it.
I used to think that way, but then they started adding in stupid ass armor into H2A multiplayer. Guess they didn't like the contrast in quality, so they started dragging the classics down to their level.
For real, thank god MCC made a recovery and also hit PC. Idk what I would do without it.
@@G7ue true, arent we grtting transformers armor now or something?
@@CallumSk8er Gundom, Power Ranger, and bug armor. Plus some others I haven't seen. Really dumb and out of place looking.
“This game needed more time, but Microsoft pushed it out the door to sell their new console.”
This is false. Microsoft originally wanted Halo Infinite to launch at the same time as the Xbox Series X in 2020, but they gave 343 another year, and this is after already giving them 5 years. Even before that, Halo 6 was supposed to come out in 2018, but 343 restarted developers, yet Microsoft gave 343 an extra 2 years so they wouldn’t be forced to pull a Halo 2, which had a notoriously fucked development cycle. I’m not usually one to defend Microsoft, but they’ve shown more patience with 343 than we have, they’ve been treating their developers well since Bungie left and Epic was bought out by Tencent.
Microsoft let 343 do whatever they wanted right up until the infamous gameplay demo where everyone roasted the awful graphics. Then they actually did an audit and realized the game was nowhere near what the audience wanted. That was when Staten was brought in. Before that the director position had already changed hands two or three times. It is difficult for me to imagine how Microsoft didn't see the signs sooner. 343 had publicly stated that they had no respect for the identity of Halo as a franchise and seemed dead set on bringing in people who didn't like or play Bungie Halo. Why? Why not just make a new IP instead? Why are so many people in the AAA industry obsessed with the idea of subverting established IPs?
#SAVEHALO
#FIREBONNIEROSS
Bungie made halo 2 in 8 months. 343 can’t make co-op work after a 6 year development and 2 years of delays
Not the best example given Halo 2's development was an absolute nightmare of crunch and overtime that really only worked out because the devs wanted to make a good game and were, at least mostly, willing to suffer through that.
@@S3Cs4uN8 there’s worse things in this world then getting paid to work
@@S3Cs4uN8 and it’s a great example. Bungie made a wholeeeee game in 8 months. 343 can’t even make co-op work with three times the amount of time in delays…
Halo Infinite also has the largest hacking population of any halo game ever, where as soon as you get into high diamond almost every game has at least 1 person hacking. And 343 doesn't give a shit, they literally do nothing.
343 is a pathetic excuse for a company. They had the game practically made for them and an indispensable budget yet delivered half of what Bungie ever made. Complete desecration of the halo franchise. Talented developers led by shameless, delusional management… tragic
343 took “ you either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain” way too literally
I guess 343 somehow found a way to die the villain
@@rectoplasmic4630 too true the irony is almost ironclad
@Corporal Spiro although I’ve had fun with all of 343s installations none of them have lived up as the successors of the halo franchise, it’ll be two years before Infinite is what we want it to be and we can only hope until then
Lol but when have they ever been the hero. They’ve always sucked
They never were a hero
I lost all my goodwill for 343i.
I hope that studio burns to the ground.
Let's not forget that Halo Infinite also severely retconned the whole franchise, by making the Halo Array less serious as originally portrayed; "The Endless" shouldn't even exist.
You can’t market a game as a free to play live service game if you can’t deliver on that and be unable to consistently give us new content. Bungie has perfected the live service model with Destiny 2 and that game is still thriving even five years later. Halo doesn’t have to follow that trend.
343 won't go. And you know why? Its because Microsoft doesn't care. Halo isn't their flagship series anymore with all the new studios they acquired in the last couple years, Halo can flounder and die and it doesn't affect Microsoft in the slightest.
So Essentially Microsoft disowned Halo and 343 gets to make their drunken messes of 'Halo' games.
They don't care about exclusives or first party titles; they have not for a long time. Their current business tactic is to focus on one thing only: subsciption-based service (Game Pass). Shower the consumer with tons of games for a cheap price so that they won't complain about the diminishing quality of their own games. Reality is that people are buying into Game Pass like moths to a flame and mass consumption does make feedback eventually irrelevant.
im a pretty social person and have alot of ppl come over to my house.....im usally playing games taking shit and smoking together.....the most said thing from everyone who has watched me play in person is .."oh is that the new halo, looks sic, is there SPLIT SCREEN?".. why is it all these fans of halo back in the day have the most nostalgic memories of split screen and still all these years later still ask for it ...... i want forge i want season 3 bad but u know what i want more to order pizza sit on my couches with my mates and tee bag each other on halo!!!.....343 is this really asking too much? ......343 you may need a new community rep!.......343 who was your broader audience?.....you hit the leader boreds on steam for most players at one time, why did they come coz halo already has a huge audience and were are they now?? if your not making a game for halo fans why on earth did u take over the IP?????
I know I am in the minority. But split screen has to die at some point. It's an old era feature.
@@Joe-in2kp Ok, fair, but sitting on the couch and playing halo with your friends was what halo was all about. It was a party game. I didn’t get into Halo until a few years ago now it’s one of my favourite franchises. I remember going over to my friends houses and playing halo and not knowing what halo was, but I still had a blast it was so fun. That’s what Halo is about playing with friends and having fun.
@@somerandomidiot1333 Yeah but we need to pick and choose our battles. Nostalgia isn't a good justification. As games add on new features, there HAVE to be ones that we let go. Otherwise the maintenance, cost, and use of developer time piles up. I think split screen is a fair one to let go.
@@Joe-in2kp That argument only holds up in a world where the resources that would be spent making splitscreen instead went towards making other aspects of the game that much better... but here's the problem, they didn't. Halo Infinite, despite having 6 and a half years of development at this point and hundreds of millions in funding has so, so many issues. In _no_ area is it exceptional. The campaign is bland and repetitive, the multiplayer has the fewest maps of any Halo title at this point in its life and is plagued by desync, theater and custom games are broken, we still have no forge or even network campaign co-op, the UI is a slow and buggy mess, the list goes on...
I'll _maybe_ accept your argument that splitscreen co-op will eventually need to be dropped to focus on making other things that much better, but only when I see some results to actually indicate that.
@@343Films It logically follows that by freeing up resources, there will be more resources to allocate to other things. In a world that adheres to logic (This universe does) this is necessarily true.
Also, your argument that the game is shit, also supports my argument that they clearly need to free up resources, because they have been unable to juggle what they currently have. They wouldn't cancel split screen unless they felt they had to. If you have issue with them being a mess that's fine, but that doesn't disregard the point that split-screen is an outdated feature and wanting pure nostalgia is not a good enough reason to keep it. Specially when they already know and have shown that the amount of people who make up split-screen community is negligible.
I've had this playing on a loop on my phone and am about to do it overnight just to rack up views. 343 needs to see this.
This video was so well done I'm surprised you don't have more subs 🤯
343i doesn’t need to go. Its MANAGEMENT needs to go. The developers there are incredibly talented, but great work gets shit on when the captains steering the ship don’t know what they’re doing.
This! This is the issue. 343i is actually a very talented team
If they do the name needs to be changed as well. 343 is a stain that needs to be cleaned at its roots.
3:25
No, names too tarnished, they need to go.
If you truly don't believe 343 is a massive part of the problem you have some serious, and I mean serious, issues.
Absolutely agree, and i was HYPED for this game, came out on my birthday, loved the campaign, did laso and nothing. No banner, armor, or affect to show off the pain and grinding i did for it, every achievement unlocked for the campaign (all except all the bullshit multiplayer ones), I tried to love the multiplayer and it hurts to see a game I've grownup with get so fucked over. Also nice beard mate
Y'all need to hide this from Mint Blitz, you're gonna make him cry.
The customization broke my heart the fact the game didn’t launch with forge, split screen, custom games and coop that broke my faith
2:39 “I’m pretty sure they can catch a suit for that, and I think that they should.” An empty promise is not the same as a contract violation. Promising something with a product and then not doing it before shipping it isn’t illegal. Companies do this all the time. I’m not saying it’s right for them to do this, but at the time of release it wasn’t there and customers knew this. As a result, the customer is responsible for their purchase on what’s there day one.
Kinda depends, it could be false advertising which is illegal in several countries.
They only cancelled split-screen coop a few days ago, and when the game shipped they literally promised it. It's dangerously close to fake advertising but they might come off clean.
@@radosawrudolf4931 false advertising would be saying it’s in the game when they ship it and then it’s not there. Saying they’ll eventually add it and then deciding not to is not, because they never advertised it as being in there day one.
Nah it's false advertising and lying to consumers/breaking promises and people should not be okay with it or let them get away with it. After halo 5 343 promised the next halo would have split screen co op and yet they broke that promise.
Yeah unfortunately you can't sue people for lying.
I'm glad you bring up infinite's core game play being fun because it is. It was why I played it for months. The lack of content didn't even ruin it for me. The horrible optimization ruined it for me and the horrible inconsistencies in the servers.. or the desync whatever you call it. It felt like it got worse after every patch.
The optimization is a joke. I have a 3090| Ryzen 9 3900x| 32GB DDR4 3200 ram and the game is installed on a 970evo m.2 ssd... and I can barley rack 144fps on low... low settings. It runs like garbage.
That was my biggest issue, the desync and hit reg which is unacceptable in any fps
Nobody asked for paywalled colors, credits, cosmetics or skins. Everything was earned via achievements or credits earned through playing Multiplayer, and there were no ridiculous, lazy tropes such as BattlePasses. Halo ended with Halo 3/Reach.
The only functioning system of Halo Infinite, is that stupid f*cking store. Everything else is terribly flawed. Where is Forge? Where is the split-screen campaign? Where is everything that makes a Halo game, a Halo game?
"IS-IS THAT BLUE?"
This was everything i was thinking and more, this video needs to be spread out.
Watch the Crowbcat video. We been saying this since day one of 343
Exactly. I was so patient with 343, still played Halo 4, 5, MCC and Infinite no matter how unhappy I was with them. Until and unless Infinite gets a soft relaunch like Destiny had The Taken King, I'm out.
Doesn’t even look like they are trying to have a taken king moment
@@Skyhigh864 yup and there probably won’t be
Unpopular opinion, I liked destiny better before the taken king, the gameplay overall that is, not so much the lack of content
@@PunkPantha same here, TTK killed Destiny's gameplay. Especially in the multiplayer side of things.
@@kenl659 I agree multiplayer but no TTK improved everything that was there before
Halo Infinite did not need a delayed launch
It needed a vision
30 seconds in and you’ve already summed the state of Halo perfectly. Had to give this video a like. This was perfect. I’m done with giving 343 another chance. I can’t believe I’ve given up with the Halo franchise and I’ve been with it since 2001…. It’s a shame. It seems like another lifetime ago when Halo was the biggest thing out. Peter Jackson was scheduled to make a film, Master Chief was everywhere, Roosterteeth Red vs Blue, Machinima, Custom Games, Halo 3, Halo 3: ODST, Halo Reach. Those were the days… 😞
It feels like Halo had its time in the sun but it’s time for the franchise to end if 343 is still running it.
if they needed 6 years to make a game this empty i think the developers are to blame too. No matter who makes the dicisions up there, if you are so damn slow at making small stuff like coop split screen - then you might be not good at what you are doing. Im no developer, but this cant be hard enough to cut it
Yeah, developers have the power to override their upper management's decisions since they're the boots on the ground. I am willing to bet that most games have features that really made it a killer app that the producer/director didn't want in the game.
The entire cod zombies mode was made by devs with too much free time who wanted something fun.
Definitely, need a complete restart of the entire studio.
Anyone saying its just the management, management didn't ask the devs to not model Jorge's shoulderpads or misaligned cosmetics or release non-Reach cosmetics in the Reach BP or refuse to add gamemodes into rotation.
It's the fact that it is contractors. Microsoft is being cheap and doesn't want to hire FTEs, and these people cycle out, taking the experience with them out the door
All very solid points. Upper management, even in the glassdoor reviews, seems to be the factor that has ruined many aspects of the game's direction and lack of content/fun.
1:32 for tail wag
MS might as well purchase the splitgate devs and have them take over Halo. Make all of 343 work on MCC, indefinitely
Technically they already failed a 5th time. The Halo Show is a 343 product as well.
There is no halo show in ba sing se
@@skyekingmc LOL
Iv been preaching this for years 343 needs to go
Changing leadership/actual consequences for upper-level game devs is nigh unheard of. Almost seems like it doesn't matter if they make horrendous decisions and failing games, they've already achieved their status and there's absolutely no way to keep them in check because they're being paid fat stacks no matter the result. And of course, who's going to tell the boss he's wrong when his paycheck says he's right?😵😵
I can see why they are literally stretching this out to 10 years 💀
The prophets have Betrayed us.
I can’t imagine that they had a one in a million chance to bring Halo back as one of the most popular shooters because CoD and Battlefield came out with some of their worst games, only for them to screw it up royally by doing nothing at all with Infinite. It’s not even funny it’s just sad.
Way to lay it on 343. We’re all tired of it.
Man thanks for being so straight up and calling it how it is. I’m tired of people defending 343 and their poor practices. They’ve never understood what made Halo special to begin with. 4 games down the line, they still don’t. Pain.
I’m glad you pointed out how they promised on multiple occasions there would be split screen campaign and yet here we are
I think Halo has been the victim of a long list of problems.
First off, Bonnie Ross. I honestly think she doesn't understand the Halo franchise.
Second, Microsofts hands-off aproach isn't working, and 343i is evidence of that, all I can say is, they better figure it out before the Activision Blizzard acquisition goes thru or else we'll see a repeat of this shit show.
Third, its identity problem. Halo isn't COD, HALO isn't Fortnite, it isn't Destiny and it isn't F2P. Halo isn't entirely open world but a corridor shooter at its heart. Halo is Halo, and it shouldn't try to be anything else. Halo is the Master Chief, Halo is Cortana, Halo is the campaign, Halo is Co-op, Halo is that college room Lan party of the Old days.
If I'm not mistaken, Halo Infinite had multiple direction changes over the course of its six year development. Changing 343 for an entire new developer would be a catastrophe. What 343 should do is get rid of Bonnie Ross, Frank O Connor, and reshuffle upper management with Staten at the helm, bring Marty O'Donnell back for music and remake Halo. Forget Halo 5, Forget Infinite and maybe take the fight somewhere else. Halo tactics or missions or whatever, what does the MC do when not saving mankind? I dunno, just spitballing here.
Someone make a petition to remove the license from them rn
Most Management that was there prior to Joe’s return should absolutely go(minus Sketch, he gets a pass) However as a studio a rebranding/acquisition of Certain Affinity would probably the most logical way forward as far as “firing” 343. Microsoft isn’t going to pawn off halo to any developer they don’t have 150% control over.
Joe needs to go.
Sketch aka Brian “servers cost money/the UI can’t handle it/still assessing the feasibility of a slayer playlist” Jarrard definitely doesn’t get a pass lol
Sketch is one of the guys enabling this BS. Deffo has to go.
Ske7ch has to go to, he's defending the management's shit and is on board with them ideologically, meaning he'll just infect the incoming crop with it (if they haven't already been, knowing the state of AAA gaming).
@@crazymuthaphukr he's literally the original trilogy writer 💀
It's not 343 as a studio. It is the people leading it the way it is. Bonnie ross and anyone else who is failing to do what is needed needs to go. Bonnie has had issues with 4, MCC, 5, Halo Wars 2 is abandoned and has server issues and Infinite. There are plenty of good people in 343 that want to do good for halo and love halo.
343 is the studio for halo it is halo! you cannot just chuck another studio who may not even like halo in the first place forced to make a game they don't want. 343 however has people coming there to work on the franchise they love! that is one of the biggest importance in the game industry, people work on what they want. The issue is these people don't have the final say in what goes on, the heads do. The head of Xbox switched out after the failure of Xbox one, why can they not do the same for 343???
Honestly I can’t believe it’s taken this long for the community to finally and unanimously demand a change. I’ve been screaming into the void for years over this half-baked, greedy bullshit
Eventually the boiling frog reaches its boiling point.
I'm kinda glad I didn't spend a penny on the game. Also I'm done buying games from AAA studios because 80-90% of the game they're pumping out is hot garbage. Get yourself a PC gentlemen if you haven't already and play more indie games.
People shouldn't blame Microsoft for the unreleased state of the game at launch. 343i had over 6 years (now coming on 7) and the game still isn't finished.
They had their time. Now their time is up.
Do you think either Sony or Nintendo would let their flagship game release in this sort of state?
@@TheKennyboy92 That doesn't really matter. Most games don't take six years to develop. Any further and you are simply wasting shareholder time and money.
Yes, Microsoft shouldn't have released it in this state, but at the same time, there's no excuse for why 6 years amounted to almost nothing for consumers after just a few months.
@@ryandubs7826 I agree 343 have destroyed the franchise but they are an Xbox game studio they have to take responsibility as well.
@@TheKennyboy92 At what point are 343 accountable in your eyes? They were already given a budget larger than Red Dead Redemption 2, GTA V, and even Avengers freakin Endgame to make Halo Infinite. They were given six full years (and then some if you're looking at this in the context of where we're at now post launch). Are you arguing that Microsoft should have given them even more hundreds of millions in funding and 3-4 more years, on top of the record 6 they had? Remember, 343 already had twice the length of time that any previous Halo title took to make. In the same length of time, Bungie put out Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo 3: ODST, and Halo: Reach...
At what point are you going to accept, whether solely due to the leadership or not, 343 is incredibly inept?
Microsoft and 343 needs to watch this and take notes, thank you to Bungie for giving us what you could before your departure 🙏🏾
4:53 Never have I ever heard the words "You fucked up" said so firmly.
You know things are messed up when a sequel to a game that had 3 different developers over 8+ years and remained silent for most of them with the original intent of competing with dying light 1 seems more promising than halo infinite
Nah, this new road map is what's gonna finally put Infinite in the ground. With all of 343's screw-ups with previous Halo's and the absolute disaster that is Infinite, I think its finally going to cause Microsoft to act. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we hear in the next few weeks to months that 343's management all gets canned and replaced.
Here's hoping! I'd honestly celebrate if we hear that news
You’re completely delusional if you think that’s the case. Barely 2k people are playing halo, and after this new cod release halo really will be dead. Season 3 isn’t coming out til March, by then no one will be playing halo
lol. Whatever you need to tell yourself I guess.
@@SideStrafed I think the game earlier today hit a record low at 700 players if it gets below 500-400 players I think the Halo infinite will need to be shut down or it could be the 1st major online multiplayer game where the servers are forced to shut down because the player base is extremely small to keep the servers up and running very surprising never thought id see the day Halo would fall of that bad it's crazy
That Lead Live Service guy is a dimwit. The road map he wants to implement should have been done from the get go. False promises, desync never fix, they lied about the customization, Bonnie lied about not putting out an incomplete game, UI menu should not take 3-5 mins to load with 10gb, Joe & Phil smiled in my face after lying multiple times.
I’ve been asking my friend bout 343 getting sued. It is possible!
Hey guess what? That live service guy was recently promoted to that position after the previous guy peaced out a few months after release. So the “dimwit” is the guy picking up the pieces the previous live service head left them in.
@@PixelationMusic
Didn’t know this, seeing as how he’d been there for 10 years I thought he had a more integral role in the live service aspect of the game :o.
I agree with everything you said. Halo under 343 has died. Bungie was the heart and soul of halo, without them I don't think we'll get a good halo game again.
YO THIS GUY I STG SPREADING MAD FAX. I have never seen a more honest opinion on how underwhelming the production of Halo has been the past few years. I also grew up with Halo 3 and stopped after Reach when I switched to PS4, and honestly it was probably for the best since I missed out on 4 and 5 before coming back to the franchise on PC for MCC and finally infinite. I've never been a fan of microtransactions but can understand with Infinite being a free game. My biggest issue with the game has been the lack of optimization and of course the DESYNC. Every single person I know that plays this game has the same complains and 343 has turned a blind eye to the main issues to work on content that isn't enough to justify the 10 months since it's release. I always think back in 2010 where the base game was enough entertainment to spend hours on and actually have fun doing it. It's a shame that companies like this only really care for profit and not fans. I've seen it happen before and I truly hope Halo doesn't become one of those dead franchises that we only remember from our youth when it was at it's best.
I'll echo this until my tongue bleeds; you're spot on. I think this game (Infinite) is the saddest game I've ever played. What makes it so depressing to me, is that the bones of the game are great (when it works). I had a blast playing Multiplayer, and even delighted in the Last Spartan Standing game mode. But every single other thing surrounding this game is, to put it politely, elementary. The campaign was kneecapped in the months leading up to release, and MAJOR parts of not just the story but the map itself were deleted all to account for "Time saving tactics", the microtransactions and store in general is the most gaudy and greedy thing I've ever seen in gaming, and that's coming from a guy who bought Destiny legendary edition, only to have to buy the game AGAIN when the expansion came out. This studio has shown it's true colors, time and time again, and it's just so sad to see developers, who clearly love this game, being misused and downright disrespected by having their work thrown under the bus the way 343 has done. I don't think Infinite will ever come back from this hole they've dug themselves, all I can say is. I sure hope the shareholders at Microsoft are happy with their dividends, because they had to crucify Master Chief to do so.
I think that part of the problem with halo infinite is that 343 probably spent the 6 years trying to make their own game engine instead of using a pre-existing one and what they made was ultimately not as powerful as most pre-existing game engines. I assume then that 343 though that because they had spent so long on the engine, it was practically perfect, which it was not. So they pushed for releasing the game early without the proper amount of content which ultimately led to its downfall. Just speculation and assumptions based on what I’ve gathered from the situation though.
They actually scrapped the slipspace engine half way through development of Halo Infinite and we are once again using a modified Halo 5 engine.
The community is apart of the problem.
@@daltonarvai3168 really? It doesn’t even feel like Halo 5
@@ultraego6678 so is the development thought process. They almost put crafting and crafting materials in the game before someone stepped in and said this is the master chief he'll just kill some banished idiot for whatever he needs. He's not gonna stop saving the galaxy to craft some ammo or a new grappling hook
@@onward2727 Every halo game is built off the previous games engine. They're all built on the same engine, it's just modified everytime.
Remember reach? Yeah all you had to do was PLAY matches to earn credits and then buy ANY armor you wanted, and all the colors were FREE
Halo needs to be rebooted after halo 3 books and all
Thank you for centering this anger on 343's management! The devs are likely overworked and underpaided and it drives me nuts when gamers focus their anger at them instead of their bosses.
they are at fault too. whats their qualifications? are they skilled enough to be making video games? do they even like halo? ive seen the devs for halo 4 and onwards and none of them seem like they were into halo or gave a shit and it seems thats the trend still
My favorite part from the road map was “match XP beta” a year after release they’re making an actual progression system… but it’s still in beta.
Edit: and custom games is still broken lol
I liked Halo 4's artsyle, they changed it but didn't go too far it was a nice evolution. 5 is where it got out of hand and they started looking like power rangers.
No, it was very too far. The covenant looked like prehistoric mutations and the Spartans and weapons were ugly and over designed.
At first i was very supportive of 343, thinking everyone was just being to harsh, but seriously im getting pissed at this point
I was the same way. When the multiplayer dropped early, and had little content, it was a "beta." so nobody really thought much of it. Then Dec.8.21 happened, and they literally added 0 content aside from the campaign. The story is 343's best, but it is not Halo's best. So when I completed it, I went back to multiplayer and got bored fast. The core of infinite is fun, but their engine is so unstable that they literally cannot get any work done. Why was it so important to get Halo infinite to run on the "slipspace" engine. Why couldn't 343 see how unstable it was and trash it for something like unreal engine 5. It's over for this game. Waiting a year and 3 months for co-op... good lord.
@@Creed5.56 100% agree with you there, I hope Company of heroes 3 isn't gonna make this mistake, been hyped for that longer than Infinite
We need to place these clowns on trial,
Like they did to the Arbiter at the start of Halo 2.
Halo absolutely needs a new developer, or at least 343 needs to undergo a purge and bring in some people who actually capable of making a Halo game instead of a hyper-monetized mess with a broken UI.
Thank you!! I’ve been saying this since two months after launch when I dipped… we need to let this game die as quickly as possible so the chances are higher 343i loses the mantle of Halo sooner
I never understood why they allowed 343 to develop the Halo series, its genuinely depressing to see where the series ended up where it is. And I was SO DAMN HYPED for Halo Infinite too that I had pre-ordered it months before release which is something I don't often do.
The only breath of fresh air was Joe Staten coming back breathed a little bit of the old fire back into infinites campaign.
Actually liked halo 4 as a first try, I'll always say that. They tried new things in multiplayer and made a deeper story. They totes fucked up the ammo and the gameplay of the promethians (whom i do think had a lot of good ideas and designs at least), but I wont take away credit where credit is due... especially since so little credit is due.
yeah, halo 4 is 343's strongest game in terms of narrative and soul. h5's multiplayer was good but only after a few years worth of updates. infinite can't even seem to match h5's rate of updates
deeper story? the Story was hairy dog shit the campaign was the worst I've ever played the new forerunner enemy's were shit and therefore most of the gameplay, the game was crap I'm 25 years old now and 343 has done nothing but disappoint me atleast they eventually made the masterchief collection playable only thing they ever did right even though it took them fucking forever because the developers of 343 have the braincells of a retarded chipmunk they can't even remake a game let alone be trusted with making their own game that company needs to go fuck 343
"Halo 4 is strong narratively" it made chief a simp/cuck with mommy issues.
Honestly yeah halo 4 had some fun modes I wish came back like dominion
Yeah, halo 4 was decent… but the art style really killed the game for me. It just didn’t look like halo
As a small indi dev myself all the problems we're seeing stem from the engine itself. Not being able to have new playlists because of UI restrictions streight up isn't normal. I could only imagine where this game would be right now if it was built in Unrealengine from the beginning.
it seems the halo 3 and reach engine was more robust and stable than whatever they did with slipspace (those games had more content at launch with a shorter dev period)
Please... anything but Unreal. I'm so tried of everything being built in Unreal at this point.
It seems that most games lately are built on custom engines that make more issues for the devs. Why don't they just use unreal? Why go thorough the trouble of reinventing the wheel?
@@tyrcipher8811 I agree, even though it is an awesome engine and does just about anything you can come up with, there is certain magic to having a purpose built engine for a game like Halo.
Unfortunately the engine they built is garbage.
Average fastest good halos runs :
Halo 3: ODST - Easy 00:57:14 Wingman953 23 juil. 2022
Halo 3: ODST - Legendary 01:03:29 Wingman953 4 sept. 2022
Halo: Reach - Easy 00:59:02 Reclusive 20 avr. 2021
Halo: Reach - Legendary 01:11:32 Reclusive 11 sept. 2021
Average fastest infinite runs :
Halo Infinite - Easy 00:25:45 B34RFAC3 24 févr. 2022
Halo Infinite - Legendary 00:28:59 B34RFAC3 20 févr. 2022
I made my point.
👏👏👏Well said. Unfortunately, no couch co-op was the finally straw for me. Halo is (to me personally) officially DEAD. Adios
Personally, I liked Halo 4 quite a bit. Everything after that (looking at you H5) I just couldn't.
I always said that H4 was a good game, but I never thought it was a good Halo game. They never captured the core of what made Halo, Halo in my eyes. H5, in my opinion, was straight garbage through and through. I think Infinite is a great game, I really enjoyed the campaign and the core gameplay mechanics are some of the best I think we've seen in a Halo title, but there is literally no content. I have some experience making 3D models and I could have pushed out three times as much content as 343i has by now.
What's inexcusable is the lack of game modes. All of the tools are literally right there, just add a new game mode into rotation, it's not hard to adjust the custom game settings. 343i is just a garbage studio.
@@neildees1761 I completely agree with that. Infinite campaign was great. It's definitely the lack of content. I beat the campaign and put it down in Feb, came back last month. The multi-player is great, but after a month of consistent play, it's a bit stale.
And I'm also insanely bummed about waiting even longer for Forge, but I do get why at least. Forge is one of my favorite aspects of Halo now.
But I used to always play co-op campaign with my friends, so I'm incredibly salty about it. I don't exactly understand what the real issue is with that. Sounds like they need to hit up their homies at Bungie for some help *coughDestinycough*