Chicago DJ's having a talk about Chicago House Music scene.
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- Video shot by Parrish Luvertsky Walker. Chicago area DJ's having a candid talk about the Chicago House Music scene and why Chicago seems to be stuck on the old 80's Style House Music. Shout out and thank you to Xavier Joshua, Stacy Kidd, DJ Emanuel Pippin, DJ ElBee, DJ Brandon Haskins and to the other DJs in this video for allowing me film this insightful conversation.
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Love the passion for the culture of house music in this video. I love seeing music nerds go off on each other.
I moved from Italy on 2007 at 29. Clubs that offer house were ALWAYS full...every age. I thought Chicago would have been the same , instead , arrived here I have found out that the situation was way different. I find this clip incredibly helpfull . It confirms some guess and open more my eyes. Thank you for posting
It's not the fan's fault. The dj has to have Knowledge about their music & there crowd.
The Next level Dj.m.smooth
My man was on point when he said, "you're either a preppy new wave, or B-boy
I disagree ………….by 85 black teens were identifying themselves as mainly house fans
The man in green is right.. I am one of very few teenagers who love soulful jackin chicago style house beats, yet my peers listen to EDM style music, or hip hop. If there was a venue where funky soulful house music was played for teenagers, I guarantee our music would grow in popularity
There are a few factors to why so many people in Chicago are stuck on 80's style house music is because the club owners in the club scene of Chicago have a mob type practice of censoring and keeping out the younger generation of DJ's from participating and expressing their creativity to the House music movement of that city. the elite of the Chicago club scene did this bullshit all through the 90''s starting with the Ghetto House scene that was created as an answer to the blatant censorship that was coming from the larger club hierarchy of Chicago... the other reason is today's radio environment in cities like Chicago have been hijacked by conglomerates like Clear Channel Broadcasting where a robotic and very very 'repetitious, boring and lack luster form of broadcasting has invaded the airwaves of that city's radio culture.
These Clear Channel owned radio stations barely supports Chicago's homegrown talent. oh these bullshit stations that are owned by Clear Channel will play Drill music and down south Trap hop and R&B all fucking day but you will barely here Chicago based talent. the other reason is that the House Music movement was hijacked from the black community and only a few talented black DJ's have been allowed to trickle down into the larger club scene of Chicago. and we all know once something that was originally created in one culture and taking away by another culture while being censored out of it's own culture that culture descends on a downward path to a slow death.
The reason why the East Coast club scene is so much more vibrant than Chicago is 1.) the club scene in the Tri-State area alone could support a DJ's/music producer career for many years to come is because that region of the country is blessed with thousands and thousands of clubs that support the dance music scene all the way from the Tri-State area down to Miami.
And lastly we now live in the internet era where instead of a few hundred DJ's world wide pressing and putting out vinyl every week to be sold in record stores that only the best DJ's had liberty to do so back in the 70's, 80's and 90's... an explosion has now taken place where any DJ of any skill level from the confines of their bedroom can upload a home studio track onto any given music retail website and sale their material. so instead of a few hundred tracks a week being put out to the public. hundreds and hundreds of thousands of tracks are now being put out on the market. that makes it near impossible for every DJ's music material to be heard.
If Chicago want to see it's legacy live on? the older club DJ's, radio jocks and club owners in that city must drop this bullshit just us attitude and start to embrace and teach the younger generation the House Music tradition. only then will it survive the next 100yrs...
Word! So much in that post. Here's something to add to your wonderful piece- how about all these platforms like mixmag, djmag, be-tv, dance trippin' all playing that tech/techno, 2 step slow stuff to Brooklyn hipsters. I am all for respecting each social circle, but when you only have a circle social circle, that doesn't fully represent the roots of the culture having a monopoly, it doesn't allow our younger ethnic generations to be exposed. Now, they are growing up listening to and watching djs and crowds who don't look like them. Type in "house music" on youtube and all you see are thumbnails of white women in bikinis used as click bait...
Im south African and in SA house music is HUGE i mean we have dj coming from other countries living in SA just to share their taste in house music. It is the bigger and the most populist genre in SA.
Stacey Kidd is one of the coldest and most underrated DJ’s in Chicago
WERD!
This is a Very Passionate Discussion. A young Kat coming on the scene could learn more from this 14 minute conversation than weeks of being in the trenches going through trial & error.
House 🏠 Music is classic music 🎶 I always believe that you play to your crowd. That is the dj's job.
Playing for yourself doesn't work at all. We never played the same song 🎵
The music has really changed over a period of time.
The Next level Dj.m.smooth
I'm going to share this on Facebook 4 real!
The Next level Dj.m.smooth
I was born and raised on the southside of Chicago and grew up listening to the now-defunct WBMX mixes of Frankie Knuckles (R.I.P.), Maurice Joshua, Bad Boy Bill, Ralphie "The Raz" Rosario, Scott "Smokin" Silz, Mickey "Mixin" Oliver, Kenny "Jammin" Jason, Julian "Jumpin" Perez and Farley "Jackmaster" Funk (aka Farley "Funkin" Keith), but I will be honest (and I feel really bad) in saying that I never heard of these wonderful DJs at all. I really need to find their mixes and listen to them. This seems more like an argument than a conversation, and it looks like they're about to fight.
I'm a young dj that play old school house music and damn good at at it and they kinda right on the kids now a days they don't listen to old school house
You should check out LoFi House
You just have to break new music that is HOTTTT. I was around during the Preppy stage in 81 up through the introduction of House. We like the old music because it was the music of our youth... We like the new music as well. You have to know how to give the crowd what they want old and new. THIS IS A DJ, whether he spinning House, Hip Hop, R&B, ETC... DON'T BLAME THE CROWD !!!
This is a interesting dj conversation. I wish they would do another video 📹
A lot of the comments was very interesting. A lot of things that was said was very true.
The Next level Dj.m.smooth
I've been DJing in the underground for almost 10 years in and around Chicago and this is what I've learned:
House and it's diversity was getting pushed (old, new, ahead of it's time, etc) the most through the legit raves that used to go down.. I mean underground, funky, jackin, deep, you name it..
Around 2011ish, all of this garbage started to infect the "scene" heavily.. Let's just say to flash forward to now.. Your standard underground party now consists of dubstep, trap and electro music... That's about it..
House, Techno, DnB, etc doesn't really get play anymore, anywhere.. Club or "Rave" aka "rager" parties... Some clubs will stay true to the more diverse House sound.. But everything is mainly "EDM" these days anymore..
These guys should have been arguing more about how to save proper, soulful, meaningful electronic music in general then just House.. It's a very serious thing that needs to be recognized on a more general and universal scale.
I mean to sum it up, you WILL still find proper House music in Chicago, new and old, but like the kid down there said.. you'll have to find it at a smaller scale, private loft party where people who have a few connecs can throw something decent together.. No more wide spread love, untiy, respect and great music from an abundance of master DJ's..
Sad days, but what can you do?
Anyone still interested in proper old and modern House, Techno and Dnb should hit up:
Undaground elements, Twilight Entertainment and No Ratz on Facebook if you are looking for continuing and progressing, PROPER underground events with quality music in Chicago.
Thanks for doing your part to keep real music alive. I’ll have to find your mixes online, I’d love to hear your music and mixing man! Definitely sounds like you are on your game. Hopefully I get to see you play someday.
What other underground DJs to look out?
And how is the scene nowadays? I know covid and all, but right before the pandemic hit was the scene same as your impassioned comment? Are those three: Undaground Elements, Twillight Entertainment, No Ratz still ones to keep an eye on for real underground parties with quality house and techno? Any others? Hopefully good parties are going to be up and running with more of the vaccine getting around. Respect to you man!
I used to be Preppy back in the day. And used to be in a dance group called The American Boys. And now I am a dj. I been on both sides. But one thing for sure. If you don't play to your crowd you will lose them 4 real.
The Next level Dj.m.smooth
iam from jersey and been dj since 79 the key to being a great dj is being able to read your crowd. ive seen it done by he best. go and listen to the inteviews about dj's like frankie knuckles, larry lavan, tee scott, tony humphries even oeople like louie vega and joe cluessel kerri chandlor they all read the crowd. ok if you playing and you know that your crowd loves classics give them that and bring in a new cut here and there till they are like hey are you going to play so and so cut this is called breaking new music. dj 101
Glad I wasn’t in the middle of that conversation ❤
this is amazing to look back at their are a lot of true honest opinions being put out there.
You can't just give your crowd anything. It just doesn't work at all.
The Next level Dj.m.smooth
It's nothing wrong with being old. But you have to play to the crowd.
The Next level Dj.m.smooth
I LOVE THIS CONVERSATION
I think the comment about the radio stations in the US is at the heart of it. Sorry to reference Detroit, but that is where I am from. Independent Radio stations back in the early 80's laid the groundwork for the whole scene. They played the music, promoted the picnics, did the mix shows and interviewed the dj's and the producers. Cut this off and you cut off all of the Oxygen for the scene. If you can groom the 13 year old crowd listening at home... then by the time they are 19, they are ready to hang. So 1980 to 1986. Kinda fits. Ready made market for House. Same thing happened with Detroit Techno. Take away Radio and the decisions and doorways are completely controlled by the Club Owner. Mega Clubs want mega acts... and the mega acts all play essentially EDM .. and whatever passes for Techno these days. So... if you are in the DJ game for money.... play what they are willing to pay for. If you are in it for the music, you might have to band together and draw your own crowd. Don't wait for somebody else to do it for you...
Are they playing edm in Detroit nowadays? I hope not. That would be a damn shame if Techno is still not the most popular electronic music.
Very insightful and true comment though. Chicago has a few 24/7 hip hop stations. And house mixes only get played on Friday nights on the radio, with maybe a couple hr mixes during the week. Plus social media / CZcams videos being dominated by hip hop. It’s hard to compete with that.
@@mick2spic Hip Hop grew because it had visible acts, a clothing culture and some recognizable vocals. It also had this "Street Cred" thing going for it. Commercial media loved it, because they could sell it... and also use it as a scapegoat when "violence" erupted. Bottom line there, there were multiple options for the mainstream to make money off of it. So that's why you now have EDM. England ran with the Rave scene back then. It then got shut down. EDM is the "clean" version of the rave....but as you know, it's essentially just a rock concert. In Detroit, frankly they never really supported Techno. Once a year at the Electronic Music Festival (Now Movement). Late night radio always had their Mix Shows which featured 80% House, 20% Techno. The Black party scene is 100% House for that crowd. Hip Hop has their own crowd. Detroit Techno is mostly just an export with The City just being a home base.
@@alanmodimages Yes, EDM certainly is favored by corporate industry with ready made / cookie cutter djs. It’s disappointing seeing young people gravitate to that vastly inferior dance music. Many not getting exposed to house, techno, d’n’b.
Well, I’m at least relieved edm hasn’t infected Detroit. I’m surprised the black community is mostly behind house music, I would guess maybe because it can be a little more soulful than techno.
I went to DEMF / Movement a few times. Loved it, but haven’t been for almost a decade. There were a decent amount of local black people there from what I remember. Seemed most of after parties there during the festival were mostly white people.
I think I heard that the techno club scene was kind of non-existent, even for white people there. Just underground after parties / club events around DEMF. It’s good at least it’s still getting exposure on radio some.
I was always disappointed in that big Electronic Forest Festival in western Michigan having mostly only edm artists. It’s like damn people, you have techno being birthed inside your state and you can’t be bothered to bring in some techno djs. That’s messed up. Though I haven’t bothered to look at that lineup in years.
This is an instant classic!! (DJ Brandon Haskins in the Orange shirt) I luv the way grown folks have a discussion...even though you may not agree with everything someone says...we respect the opinion, joke about it and give our own opinion. And everyone has a valid point. Bottom line is "each one teach one" when you have the chance!! HOUSE MUSIC ALL NITE LONG...FVCK SLEEP!!!!
Can't be Mad at the fan for liking what they like.
I'm assuming they are talking about the 35-50 yr old crowd(The Chosen Few Crowd) these folks dont party every weekend like we did when we were 15-25. so on the rare occasion they find themselves out they want to hear music they are familiar with and sing a long to.now if your are playing to the current 21-25 year olds they only want to hear Hip Hop or Juke. Can't be mad it is what it is.
very great video thx
I know a least 3 dj in this video 📹.
The Next level Dj.m.smooth
Legendary crew
love it!
lol!!!!!!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Stop Stealin that car 🚗
The Next level Dj.m.smooth
I'm from the south side and I'm old skool. I consider myself a house head and i apologize but house to me is the 80's. I listen to all house. I don't like hip house, deep house is non inspiring but the 80's is it for me. LONG LIVE THE 80'S. House music all night long. Put it back on the radio and bring back the cassette tapes
I'm from the southside of Chicago and I don't think you know what Deep House is. Deep House is Ten City, Marshall Jefferson, Jamie Principal,Lil Louis, Fingers Inc, Larry Heard etc.......
Wonder what they think now 6 years later...
The teenagers were raised by u guys you "househads" we like house old school shit. We love to jack. You just have to know where to go. The underground is still around. Im 18 and I just saw Paul Johnson at a loft party. Bunch of young people and oldrr folks but everyyybody was gettin down.
yep!
Interesting.
stacy kidd is cool man.all them cats are cool.
What's interesting is that these guys keep dwelling on what people want to hear. They need to show some boldness and introduce music that they consider good whether it's new or old is not that big of a deal. When I lived in Chicago back in the 80s club goers never really got to decide what gets played.
Do they realize they're a foot away from each other? Lol
I think technology and the ability to sit at home and listen to whatever you like is a well known culprit to any music scene anywhere in the world. I started raving in 95 and went to parties to hear new music I could never hear anywhere else. I'd spend all my money on gas and mixtapes and play the hell out of those tapes driving around. Nowadays music isn't treasured as much because it's so plentiful and easy to access. Then also ask the question. Why are people really going out to clubs and bars nowadays if the music is already on their Ipod?
Theres no beating the mixes though especially with an Ipod
AGREED !
5:21 LMFAOOOOO
I'm one of those old "House Heads" myself, that prefers the old stuff. House used to be, Soulful, Driving, Powerful, all most Spiritual music... A lot of the new stuff sounds more like techno to me, that feeling you got from the original stuff, just ain't there in most of the music anymore:( Sure, there is some good new stuff out there but, the majority of it is junk.
deep house has it's roots in gospel,,,...……………………..Chicago jack-n house , track house has nothing to do with gospel...…………………...it's pure percussion
@@robinsss
Deep House is Chicago House. Chicago started Deep House.
Shout out to spookie!!!!!
Beyond the specific genre of music that they seem to be arguing about, sounds like the question may be about the difference of the role of a dj. That may be a global or universal issue. Is the dj a leader or a follower? Is it possible to lead the listener into new directions or are djs restricted to following the existing path? Where do the existing paths come from? Are these paths created other djs?
homie's right in the glasses
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Its all about the $$$$$$ with music. Nobody cares about how passsionate you are about soulful house music. Clubs and promotors only care about what music makes them the most money. Which is why you have to create a underground scene that isnt profit driven. Its underground music driven.
Hey were was this meeting at?
The Next level Dj.m.smooth
It was in Tinley Park, IL
Meanwhile in the rest of the world we love all styles of House with Deep House hitting the top of the pop charts and there still talking about Disco and Jack your body lol
GTFOH. TOP OF THE POP CHARTS LOL BUM
mad as fuck!the home of house and even they can't find some common ground!wheres the love?
next time you guys get together i'd love to be around and have a convo with you guys i totally understand where you guys come from and for me being only 26years old i grew up listening to house music and its not even heard of these days and im part of the trance movement so even more to talk about it with you guys im pure vinyl that deadmau5 track was Deadmau5 - Faxing Berlin (Ross.FM's Vocal Remix)
Emanuel got him on them cigarettes....lmao!!!!
I would like to know what they say
That's not true. That dj's are not Scared at all.
The Next level Dj.m.smooth
Deadmau-FIVE Lol.. These dudes need to go to Ibiza.
We a dyin breed.
balls bust at 5.30sec!lol
Too much yelling, interrupting, and talking over each other ...Say I'm wrong, but I'll stick to the ol' school house and garage (1977 - 1989) ..and although I first, and foremost, recognize House music's SOULFUL roots, I'm cool with the interjection of HiNrG (Lime), Electronica (Kraftwerk), New Wave/Synth (Yazoo), and freestyle (Lisa Lisa's "Can You Feel the Beat"), because this was, ALSO, a part of the house music mixes, along with the Philly Salsoul Garage (First Choice), and, of course, Chicago's own (Larry Heard & Fingers Inc, Jamie Principle, Chip E., Jesse Sanders, etc.) ..because THIS was the "fusion" you'd hear in the WBMX Hot Mixes...
This never happened in NY
Lol..... There's no more techno it ended in the late 90s It's called rave now.
MAY BE IF THESE "SO CALLED NEW HOUSE ARTIST WOULD WRITE SOME SHIT WORTH LISTENING TO PEOPLE WOULDNT HAVE THOSE TYPE OF RESPONCES.... THAT NEW SHIT IS FOR THE MOST PART IS WACK AS HELL YOU CAN TELL NOT A LOT OF THINKING WENT INTO IT... THIS IS COMING FROM A OLD HOUSE HEAD.. THEY NEED TO GET SOME CREATIVITY ABOUT THEIR SHIT AND GENERATIONS TO COME WILL LIKE YOUR SHIT TO