Diesel Talk | Fleece Cheetah Turbo
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2021
- Stock turbo on its way out the door? Looking for some added performance without having to tune your truck? 700 Horsepower sound like enough???
If you even considered yes to any of these questions, then the Fleece Cheetah is the obvious choice. Fleece has done a large amount of research on making the best drop in turbo for someone looking for reliability or wanting to make some real power for your truck. If you have questions about this for your truck, please give our tech’s a shout.
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Love my cheetah, got it from you guys. Love the pod. Keep up the good work
Right on Aaron! Thanks for the update. Let us know if you need anything else.
I just had this turbo installed on my’20 6.7 3500 and I cannot hear the turbo whistle at all. The exhaust brake sounds phenomenal but I can’t hear it at idle whatsoever. Is that common?
Just got off the phone with Mark, placed my order for my 2008 6.7- hoping to have it in soon. thx for the tech support!
Thank you for your order Eddie! Got it marked down. That truck will be a RIPPER with the Cheetah on it. -Ben
Just bought one I love it
Thanks for posting this! My stock turbo just starting have actuator issues and rather than trying to repair a turbo with 300k miles, I bought a cheetah. It’s on the way. Hope to have this in the truck by next week!
That is great to hear! Thank you for your business! Let us know if you have any questions.
@@DieselPowerProducts got it in the truck, we removed the entire battery and box, which helped a bunch. Truck runs amazing now! I'm seeing 30-31 pounds of boost topped out, 3/4 throttle it easily spools to 24 psi and gets the truck moving. I'm deleted and tuned so that helps a bunch. Took us 6 hours and a 30 pack to finish it. All my codes cleared the next day on their own. I tow regularly and it is a noticeable difference it how it pulls. Makes your load seem lighter ha! Much faster in general, the turbo whistle is beautiful too. Great product, very happy so far. Had it on the truck a week now.
@@Evasive14 hey I’m looking to buy this aswell how is it doing and have you had any problems?
Just got mine amazing turbo power is there
How is it performing till this day
Just dropped my cheetah in last night. I bought it from you guys and service could not be better. Great place to source parts and people there are always helpful.
How has it worked out?
@@ericstyer2890 it has been great. Tow regularly. Spools quick and breathes much better. No issues so far
@@keithjohnson3709 I’m at 50k on my 17 2500, already had to have the turbo and actuator warrantied, unreal. I doubt I’d get it covered if it happens again. I’ve heard additives are recommended to prevent the buildup that gets the actuator stuck but this sounded like a good solution and probably leads to more performance mods.
@@ericstyer2890 Mine is a 2012. My actuator started sticking at about 165,000. I always put Rotella T3 or T4 with a Lucas oil stabilizer. In regards to the cheetah from what I understand there’s a newer type of actuator they use. I could be wrong but that’s what I think
@@keithjohnson3709 I saw their ad before your post but they were only advertising the turbo. An aftermarket turbo and actuator would be the solution no doubt. I couldn’t believe there was a chance I was going to have to cover the actuator because they didn’t consider it part of the Powertrain which a load of BS especially when they’ve know defects. Same for the ABS and HCU modules with these trucks. I’d be able to digest paying out of pocket with over 100k miles easier than sub - 50k and 5 years old.
Just put this turbo in my truck and I’m running higher egt’s now. Happy with the turbo but not what I expected
I have had nothing but problems on my 2014 ram since the install. I have had it at the original shop 3 times replacing the manifold gasket, drove it all the way to fleece in Indiana, it blew again by Montana, had it fixed in Montana, and pulling an empty 9,000 lb trailer blew again in Medford OR. Don’t wast your time if you tow, get a compounding turbo.
If the answer to your problem was a compound turbo system, a drop-in Cheetah may not have been the right turbo for you in the first place.
Man that sucks you having problems with yours I had mine for about 5 years now and have it compound with s482 runs like a bat out of hell never had a signal prob knock on wood but hope you can get your problems fixed
Sounds like you either got a bad one or there is more going on that isn’t the turbo’s fault.
I agree this are straight up trash mine blew twice and I was done, costumer service is non existent they are nasty people and don’t take accountability no matter what.
Been enjoying my Fleece on my 07 5.9 (and ordered it from DPP!). Turns a lot of heads with the whine too
Ya it does! Mine sounds like a dang semi when I gear down. Love it. 6.7
Bought my truck with a fleece 63mm on it already and I love it. It has about 80k miles so far it still smokes 90% of the morons that wanna race a victory red jet sounding monster at the light or on the highway lol
Got mine today but still have to put it on!!!!!!!!!!
Get ready to be stoked!
@@DieselPowerProducts got it in today and yes i am stoked , runs amazing .
Sorry if i didnt understand in the vid but would the cheetah fit on a 2nd gen swap??
would a box tuner like the banks automind be able to "adjust " , have an LMM , Banks claims it can , other have said just stay with the stock turbo , also is this there 50 state deal? trying to avoid the removal of certain "things"
So “theoretically” would this work with a mini max stage three kit?
I’ve been looking for a turbo for my 2012 6.7 Cummins. All the reviews say they only last 1.5-2yrs do you know why ??
Do you think I’ll need to put in head studs for this
But what if I want my truck mostly stock with an annoyingly loud turbo? I hotshot about 10k miles a month with the radio off 90% of the time and I need something to listen to 😂
Do you recommend head studs?
What would ve the biggest differences between the Fleece, ATS 3000, and Screamer?
Nice they responded to you.
It this legal for use in California on my 09 6.7? Will I pass smog with this turbo and does it come with a CARB sticker?
Is there anything bigger with vgt
Appreciate the video I've really been on a fence on my purchase.. Love the way it sounds I hear they perform better then stock as to be expected for the high price. But I hear the longevity of the turbo is just not there.
Right on Timmy! Thanks for your input. We have not come across any longevity issues with these turbos. One thing to consider, is reason for failure. Depending on the truck and it's use, the turbo could possibly be miss diagnosed. There are tons of people running larger tires, stock gears, and hot tunes. Then they proceed to tow heavy, resulting in EGT's through the roof. Rather than finding the root of the issue (miss matched gears & tires) they go for more power. In this case the turbo was destined for failure, independent of the brand, etc.
If you have any questions or want to go over your build to see if this is right for you, shoot our sales taches a call! You might even get Mark on the phone. :) Phones are live M-F 6AM-6PM PST. 888-993-4373
@@DieselPowerProducts Sounds great! Appreciate the response very Professional and understand what you're saying.
You got it. Happy to help!
Do they have one for the 2021 ram yet
mine is lasting about 40k so far.just the power is not at all near the mark
Would this cheetah turbo work on a 2022 3500 dodge ram with 155,000 miles with the code p226c
Did a fleese about 3 months ago on my 3rd gen 6 speed and could not be more disappointed! Sounds ok at idle but dosnt sound good driving it, its not loud ,and it lags so bad! My wifes stock turbo on her 06 is much better than the fleese ,NOT HAPPY !!!
I can agree it's not super loud but it does sound better then my stock on my 2015 but then I compounded it and it sounds amazing
2010 6.7 Cummins - 2nd Gen swap kit with S467.7 - 4 inch downpipe (I think) - I'd like to have an exhaust brake again. Can the Fleece VGT drop in with minimal fab work?
I would say for the most part, yes. Main parts you would need an exhaust manifold, down pipe, intake, charge pipe, oil feed and drain, and most of all, new custom tuning. Depending on the kit used, you may end up needing some other random items. If you put the 2nd gen set up on your truck, and you have all your old parts still, you are basically there. If not, that is a good list to go from. We can help with all of this, aside from the tuning. Shoot us a call and we will set you up! We are on the phones M-F 6AM-6PM PST. 888-993-4373 -Ben
Ok we get it! Enough about the EGT'S!!!!!!!!!
Seriously...
What are the "little to no" problems you've had and were they performance related ??
I wonder if you’ll run cooler EGT’s.
All depends on the set up. Stock truck with stock turbo, compared to stock truck with Cheetah, yes, lower EGT's.
Came here to say this 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think cooler EGT’s, allow you to have cooler EGT’s.
After a tow tune was installed on mine, the EGTs were almost always above 1200…pulling a 2% hill at 34k 35mph
Will this fit my 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 3.0?
No It will not, while there is no talk about it from Fleece there are some other companies that are looking into aftermarket support for those 3.0's! If you need help finding a turbo for your Jeep, feel free to give us a ring at 888.99.DIESEL!
Guys I’m thinking of getting this but curious if it will help lower EGT’s… 😂
All depends on your set up and what sort of EGT's you are seeing currently and in what scenario. What truck is it? What EGT's are you seeing now, and how/when are you seeing them? Any modifications? Tire size? Gears?
How do we get in touch about your products. Took a 8 hour drive to get told to call and never got through to customer support. Did you guys switch to online only? And if so how do I get information from a sales representative. I left call back number yesterday with tech.
Hi Jess. We are on the phones 6AM-6PM PST M-F. Currently our showroom is closed. We are primarily an online business so most purchases and/or communications are done through the site, or shooting a call to our sales techs. Hope that helps. Let us know if you need anything else! -Ben
I loved my cheetah fleece on my 6.7 cummins until about a month ago. My actuator went bad with not even 10k on the the turbo. Took it to a diesel shop they tested it said the turbo actuator was bad, an turbo was good. Fleece backed up there warranty because I'm still under two years. The shop did calibrate the new actuator for the turbo an truck still not running right. It's doing everything a bad actuator would do, it's over boosting, the turbo is whistling real loud ever since this has started, an under normal driving to get up to speed limit around 1500 to 2200rpms the truck is surging. No one can figer it out, turned into quite the headache.
Sounds like more diagnosing is in order! I would hope that a boost leak test was done and possibly some data logs were looked at.
I did a data log an sent it to the tuner hopefully get some good new back, but ever since it's been doing this the transmission is shifting kinda goofy an it's shifting harder than normal under a load, between 1500 amn 2200 rpm in 1st 2nd an 3rd gear it seems like the engine is almost kinda surging but in hwy gears it acts fine. I talked to fleece the guy told me it could be a number of things wrong but if it's shifting differently ever since the issue, he said a bad turbo will not make an transmission act funny, an bad transmission will make a turbo act funny. It's got me thinking it could possibly be a transmission issue here.
What size tires are on the truck? What gears are you running?
295 60 20 so basically stock, stock size is 285. And I have factory 3.42 I wish I had 3.73s
I have no idea why these trucks ever came with 3.42's. Even with stock tires, the truck is still under geared. If you are using it hard, and have added more power, I would not be surprised if you have transmission issues. I would heavily consider going to a 3.73, or if you are going to a little larger tire, a 4.10. Giving that truck slightly better than stock mechanical advantage will do WONDERS to the power you can put to the ground and the longevity of your transmission.
Would you recommend this over say a s365? I’m on the fence about turbos being they are so expensive!
Which S365 are you referring to?
Sorry watched another video and explained some things.. the other I’m looking at is a 363/68/and either 12 or 14cm gate it’s a smeding 363
Sounds like you are converting to a fixed vane turbo? Is that correct?
@@DieselPowerProducts my truck is an 03 non variable vane that I’m aware of
Will this turbo help lower my EGTs?
Can you put the 6.7 VGT Fleece Cheetah turbo on a 5.9L Common rail?
Short answer is no. Physically making it fit is not hard, however, the programming to be able to use the VGT is difficult.
@@DieselPowerProducts got it. Appreciate the fast response!
What is the major difference from the 63 "street" and 63"race" chargers
The Street option will have a smaller turbine compared to the larger turbine in the Race. A larger turbine will benefit those using the truck in a race type scenario, as a larger turbine is suited for larger injectors and a truck whose goal is to make more power on the top end (drag racing, sled pulling, etc). As opposed to a truck that spends most of its time on the street and still needs to perform some normal truck duties (daily driving, towing, etc). The smaller turbine will allow the turbo to spool up faster and have more low end grunt. Hope that helps!
@@DieselPowerProducts thanks this helps alot!
I wonder if this turbo will help reduce egt
It can, however, there are A LOT of other factors that can lead to high EGT's.
On my 03 lb7 making about 625whp empty just cruising in around 500-600 and towing 4-5k pounds in under 900 unless it’s a steep hill or I mash it to pull out. Just cruising it’s usually under 700 even with that weight behind it. Empty and on power tune it’s still low unless I rip it and it will shoot up pretty high under throttle but immediately drops back to normal when I let out.
I'm in the market for a new turbo. How does this turbo out preform CUMMINS 6.7L STEALTH 64 TURBO HE300VG or the BD Diesel Screamer HE300VG 6.7L
I will also ask those two companies how their product out preforms yours? who ever responds with the best product wins
Hi Rob. We sell all three of those, and manufacture none. They are all three great turbos. If you need some information from a somewhat non-partisan party, here it is. Of the three turbos you are considering, we physically stock several pallets of the Fleece Cheetah, at any given time. They outsell the other two by a long shot, and we have had ZERO warranties. I think you will be happy with any of of those three options. Feel free to shoot us a call if you have any questions. 6AM-6PM PST M-F 888-993-4373
@@DieselPowerProducts Awesome sales pitch. I have already been in touch with Ben Little. At first I was thinking about a non vgt. I'm still on the sideline trying to decide the best for what I want. I would really like The non vgt ,yet have a ATF cold air intake and would like to keep that. Seems like I would have to lose that and the exhaust brake
Well, small world. This is Ben Little, I appreciate the compliment. :) Correct about the exhaust brake. You would lose the factory style brake, as it is just using the vanes in the exhaust housing. If you wanted to reincorporate a brake onto the truck, you'd be doing a more traditional style exhaust brake, by way of a butterfly valve in the exhaust pipe with an air actuator. Something like this, from BD, would work PN: BD-1027344. This kit will come with the brake itself, and everything you need to install it. Neat thing about this particular kit form BD, it is designed to use the factory switches. So inside the cab, everything will appear, and function like factory. -Ben
@@DieselPowerProducts I'm confused here aren't the Cummins using a butterfly valve in the exhaust for the exhaust brake? I thought GM and Ford were the ones doing the turbo exhaust braking? But, it sounds like Cummins are that way now too?
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I've got one in my 3rd gen...this thing literally screams. Exhaust brake is loud as shit.
Yeah buddy!
@@DieselPowerProducts not paid to plug DDP but when I bought my turbo, and studs and seals , and manifold it was shipped quick, core for the turbo was fast and she still screams. Keep up the good work.....also you know, the EGTs down.
the HP with this turbo will never hit 700. I have one with tons of mods and will be going to a 2nd gen to get there. before you spend the cash spend a little more.
What modifications have you done? What power numbers are you seeing?
Cheetah turbo
Fleece lift pum
30% over injectors
Intake
Studded
Pushrods
Valve springs
Striker injector pump
Trans is from Revmax
This thing should fly.
No answers from fleece other than tuning is my problem
But it’s set up from one of the best.
I will have to swap to a second gen setup with a better turbo
This one cannot get you to 700 for any money
Also EFI Live
Whose tuning are you running? What is it currently making at the wheel on the dyno?
I am with Fleece on this one. You have something else going on. I would try to figure out what the issue is before you completely change your set up, as it may still end up being an issue with a fixed vane. Could be the tuning. Could be something else. Have you sent this "top Cummins guy" any data logs? Are you monitoring lift pump pressure? Rail pressure? Boost? Drive pressure? What are all these reading during a hard pull? What size tires are on the truck?
It's a drop-in turbo if you have injectors tuner clutch all this other bulshit don't buy a fucking fleece cheetah there are so much better options out there