The part where one character had autism would have been better if they didn't show that scene with the super powers at the end kind of just undid everything they said in the episode
@@92JazzQueen I will agree with you on that one. the copy of White Fragility seems more like product placement the show was using to push propaganda while the writers seemed to miss out on a few key historical facts when it came to slavery such as California not being a slave state or the fact that only a small number of folks, which had black people, white people and indigenous folks among their numbers, owned slaves.
It looked to me like they were trying to push propaganda instead of offering a history lesson, even if it was oversimplified for the target audience. Also the copy of White Fragility comes across as product placement for a book that the target audience won't be able to read or understand until they are in high school at the very least.
It’s honestly a coin flip at this point. I loved the OG Proud Family and honestly think they handled this stuff better then the new one in some cases because it seems like the new one only has the writers sometimes do their research and other times just go with their own feelings/opinions on things. I’m hoping it’ll get more cohesive as it goes on and the show remembers the age range it’s being marketed towards is 6-13 year olds, not that older can’t enjoy it but I don’t know that the younger kids will absorb the lessons it’s trying to teach correctly or understand them properly.
Something interesting I just noticed. Okay, so Noah only dates white girls right? But is it really only based on how attractive they are? If you notice, when Noah first arrives in the cafeteria, a specific white girl approaches him. He blows a kiss to her and she falls to the floor. For some reason, he didn't think to ask her to the dance, instead he bypasses her and then located Zoey, actually making Zoey the 2nd white girl he saw. What made him choose Zoey over the first girl? If you notice, after Zoey dumps him, that same girl he blew a kiss to in the beginning is the one he ends up dating after the fact despite her being presumably more attractive than Zoey who is nerdy for lack of a better word. Him liking white girls is only surface level but for some reason he must have noticed something unique about Zoey besides her skin color that stood out to him, not to mention she was eating like a slob but that didn't deter him at all. Also, the girls were already shocked and jealous that Noah picked Zoey because they (Penny included) felt that they were all cuter than her. But perhaps Noah wasn't simply trying to date a girl solely based on how attractive they were. It makes the girls look even more shallow now that I think about this because while they're mad at him for dating only white girls (Or mad at Zoey for that matter) they're just as bad for thinking that a guy should choose automatically choose a girl solely based on how cute or popular she is. I think that's an interesting observation that we all missed the first time around (myself included).
Yeah that is an excellent point to make. What really puts this episode down is because not only the assumption that doesn't get questioned right out of the gate, but also because she's suppose to be the "ugly one" within the friend shows how incredibly toxic that friend group can be and how reactionary they become from a simple rumor that was from word of mouth. Instead of taking the time to research his dating history (He's a famous actor, people love stalking their relationship status) or even talk to the dude about the issue, they used that rumor to cope that someone would choose Zoey over the rest is incredibly cruel. All they needed to do was simply make Noah look like he's pushing the racial interests way too much to make it work and that alone would fix change the episode to an entirely different direction than where it went. This topic is a genuine issue, I do believe that whole heartedly (and in general, not just black guys being only interested in white girls), but they missed the mark and just made all the girls (and Michael) look like ass holes.
@@JasonBladeReviews See, this thing of "loyalty" is overrated... and sounds silly in a friendship dynamic. You should be loyal to oneself only (and your family by extension). Americans have decided to pinpoint Loyalty as the end-all-be-all but all I see it as manipulation that stems from white entitlement from centuries of conditioning that things belong to them. Nobody privatizes individuals.
I’m Autistic and felt that episode did a fantastic job of showcasing Bebe’s diagnosis and the family’s reaction was completely believable. What I didn’t like was the ending that showed all the kids on the spectrum to have superpowers, which actually pissed me off because that’s a common analogy with Autism.
I definitely agree with you on that. I feel it does nothing but add more pressure and certainly categorize those on the spectrum as "different" instead of treating them as they are: people.
I also felt ignored as an autistic female. I would have thought that CeCe would be autistic to since we hardly see any autistic black females in media. She's also getting into the same shenanigans as BeBe does. Maybe this is a nitpick. I do agree with you about the fact that BeBe was made out to have superpowers, especially with that Black Adam comparison by Dr. Pain.
I can relate a lot to that episode, cause I've experienced it myself. A black guy asked me out, and instead of being happy for me? They were upset with me, because I was white. I didn't choose that skin color, and when I said that? My black friends told me that I was "White privileged" and that white girls were ruining the black generation by having mixed children. When I tried to explain on how that sounded racist? They said that it wasn't racist because I was white, and then when I tried to explain on how racism worked? They started talking over me, trying to use slavery against me, and on how white people don't experience racism cause of having white skin, etc. None of my friends that day listened, and proceeded to talk behind my back, calling me a racist, and saying that I can't speak about racism cause of being "White privileged" I ended up telling the guy no, and gave a reason on why because of what happened with my friends. He ended up talking to them one day when I wasn't there. When the next day came? My friends tried to apologize, and when I called them out on their behavior, called them fake friends, and never spoke to them again. They still try to talk to me, but I don't like being put in situations that cause drama over the slightest thing, and if they're not willing to listen while trying to invalidate how you feel, along with your experiences? Then they're not true friends.
@@katherinemahlum178 She's not a victim. This is why white girls can't have black female friends. You always want to play victim. I slowly started having more ethbuc friends in my white school because of this.
@@suzygirl1843 respectfully disagree with you. Friendship has no color preference. It's who you vibe with. It's unfortunate that we are still living in times where a person's color matters more than Friendship.
@@katherinemahlum178 Well, can you say that when you have senators trying to bring back Lynching laws. I know its PC to say we shouldn't be tribalist. USA is still segregated and gaslighting black girls isn't gonna make them forget that. They just have to look around their own community.
@@suzygirl1843 Not all people that live in the US make fun of black people. Slavery is constantly used against white people in this generation that's never had slaves, plus the history of slavery is wrong. A black man started selling black slaves, and that's how slavery started. Every race was used as a slave, not just black people. Slaves also didn't build "This country" Disney didn't even get their facts right when talking about it. White people, asian people, mexican people will instantly be pounced on over the slightest thing. Every race also wore dreads for multiple reasons, but yet it's okay for some black people to mimic a white persons hair style. People of color do have more power, and use their race as any excuse to get what they want, yet will be quick to call a white person privileged cause of their skin color when in reality? Everyone is working their butts off to keep everything they own, etc. Sadly skin color will always be brought up. Using slavery against white people, and expecting hand outs won't solve anything. Not all people act this way, but racism will always come from every side.
Some of it felt like them getting pissed off that Zoey (who is less conventionally pretty than the others) got the guy and like no guy can be attracted to her for her
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 I also don’t like that it seem like Myron is the he doesn’t count guy because he’s nerdy to them guys a sweetheart I hope he and zoey make it
I know what you mean. The episode didn't make sense other than the fact that Penny is trying to be a mediator to a bunch of fake friends who believe they are in the right to use Colorism against Zoey because a boy happens to like her. True, Penny wasn't perfect in this either (already having a great boyfriend she ignores with Dijonay), but at the very least she doesn't believe Zoey is in the wrong and is willing to discuss what might've actually happened. Dijonay, however, ruins this in her twisted view of everything wrong in her own, miniscule world. The worst thing she says is that 'Zoey doesn't get it,' like, wtf? What, pray tell, was Zoey, and in this case, the audience as a whole, is supposed to get? Not only does she refuse to explain anything, but she makes it worse for everyone around her! Worse still, a gaslit Zoey is made to APOLOGIZE despite the fact that Maya CAUSED the whole thing with her flippant attitude! No one bothered to search for the whole truth beyond the rumor, or gave Zoey the benefit of the doubt that she got lucky, OR Dijonay remaining faithful to a great boy that was aslready there! Honestly, I would've drop-kicked Dijonay, LaCienica, AND Maya LONG before this series came into play! It's never worth it belittling yourself and lowering your self-worth to anybody's standards like that! As well all know, Penny and Zoey could do far better!
@@kaytlinjustis5643 Yeah Maya so flippant she didn't help Penny with Bebe, telling her "That's what happens when you don't stand up for yourself", wow Maya never expected from your politics, you sound like a Ayn Rand fan
Always felt the show (then and now) always seemed to be "forgive your abuser/toxic relative and friend" and even to give in to them. Like I have thoughts on Trudy Proud. Like a lot. EDIT: Like Trudy is supposed to be more moral, reasonable, and intelligent than Oscar right? Well she comes off as a controlling petty hypocrite that seems to set Penny up to be taken advantage of by others, like there was a reason Penny apologized to her parents for telling off that rude wheelchair boy.
Honestly, from someone who is on the spectrum I like the way they handled bebes autism, but I don't like them showing him with super powers, instead of maybe showing him being good at school.
I completely agree zoey honeslty is the only good friend and person in this show imo she might not be perfect but she has been the most honest and caring of the bunch and she did NOT deserve the disrespect in this episode it made me feel so uncomfortable making her feel bad For something she CANNOT control made no sense to me
As someone who watches the original proud family and loves it, I really don't like this modern version. They go even more overboard, and way harder on issues. They are acting like most hyper activist where if there's any issue at any level it's ok to do anything to fix or bring it up. Guy only likes white girls, could be a race thing, sensitive topic but why hate the friend? She's the nerd with self-esteem issues, she's had a guy, let alone a celebrity take interest in her so she's going to jump at it and her friends immediately turning will make her not believe that the only thing he likes about her is her skin color Protest a statue you don't agree with, fine but get the full story and don't interrupt the ceremony, you have the right to protest, not cause a disturbance. Then Penny says she's being silenced for the truth instead of being jailes for doing something legitimately wrong and then acting like something a person ancestor did makes them just as guilty. We should remember the past and use those failures to net9the future, not act like it's everyone descendents fault. We want all to be equal not some with special treatment Also I just noticed, where's Stinky?
What happened to the character is that he moved away, which is why we gotten brand new characters in this reboot to replace him. The VA (Voice Actor) for the character on the other hand... I'm not touching that with a 10ft pole even if I wanted too.
I know the episode "The end of Innocence" is misleading to alot of people due to the fact Noah only dating white girls leads to colorism. But here are my takes on it: 1. Noah does NOT represent all black men who are down for thier women. He is an individual who is allowed to date any girl he wanted. 2. Even if he doesn't have any preferences, they'll still accused Zoey for going out with him. 3. People accused Noah for kissing a the same white girl at the end of the episode when in reality, Noah could've kissed any girl he finds attractive. 4. Last but not least, A Double-Edge Sword. Even if Noah dating girls like Penny or Lacienega, many of you would still be upset if Maya said he only dates girls who have lighter skin tone. It's basically a no win situation for him. Let me know what you guys think.
People should date who they like. I have watched videos on why men have started dating other races and are going out to different countries. It has more to do with the toxic culture we have created in America than anything else. The feminist movement started off as a good thing and later on became toxic. American woman do not think twice about getting in a man's face taking a swing at them and the man is supposed to stand there and take it .
Listen I grew up in Georgia, Where's slavery what's a thing. And where many of the Plantation houses still standing. And here in the South don't sugarcoat slavery at all. But they do say it was in the past and we must be better. So treat people how you wish to be treated... They would show us the slaves day to day work.. They would bring in dried up cotton plants and we would have to try to pick the cotton off the plant and separate the seeds. If you want to pick cotton you have to wait until the plant is dried and the plant is a very very sharp. And then there's about 8 to 7 seeds in the cotton so you have to pick that all out by hand before the cotton gin was invented. So we would do that in our history class. And then our teachers would ask us like how did we feel about that and how do we think the slaves felt. And before people go off in the comments, There were permission slips sent out a month before explaining what they would be doing during that month. And every parent usually said yes maybe one kid's parents said no... But we got to make butter and jam and biscuits too.
@92JazzQueen yes. Now of days and for those who are lucky enough to do it as just an experience. But my grandmother's family was very poor... So they did it as a survival method. A one-room house with an outhouse. So yes it can be a learning experience... But for my grandparents family it was survival and work.
One thing I don't get is how their town could be founded by a slave owner; if they live in California which I'm just assuming. Then their couldn't be slavery, because when California became a state it was after the Civil War, and before that it was Spanish colony which already made slavery illegal
My best assumption would be that once the war was finished, he moved out west to that area would be the only way it would make sense, but even then in completely messes up the history of the family because how could the diary be buried in the area in the first place. The only thought is that Smith's family discovered it and stashed it away themselves in hopes no one discovered the truth about Smith being a slave owner. Of course that's a lot of assumptions to be made in order for this to make sense which further proves why it needed to be a two part episode or a movie special in order for them to give it time.
Didn't the Spanish Colonies have slavery though? I know they participated in the Atlantic slave trade. If it was earlier in the timeline maybe its possible for the history to not be so far fetched.
@@JasonBladeReviews Also California became a state in 1850 the civil war was from 1861-1865 but California was a free state so same principle where the founder couldn't've been a slave owner while he was founding the town.
Actually. The slave thing was presented incorrectly and didn't include all slaves of working class. They forgot to include Asians, and Mexicans as they were also slaves as well. I would suggest watching The Treehouse News for more correct info.
I think you are missing the point. Could they have represented the Asian and Mexican slaves accurately? The only reason why they mentioned their race is because that's who they are. Just a thing to think about
@David the King Wolf It's not only about representation but about accuracy as well. Say for example the hands up don't shoot that was featured in the show. That was proven to be false many times. If they are going to say stuff, atleast present it in a somewhat accurate way.
@@saphirawinters7028 even though I only mentioned representation, I did wonder if they were representing accurately if they'd do it. If they can't say anything about THEIR OWN RACE accurately, then they shouldn't have the privilege to say anything.
The one dating one really rubbed me wrong sense it felt low key anti mixed race relationships it gave the “ white woman stealing our men “ vibe that Is so annoying
Ironically, the anti-interracial relationship mentality is exactly the kind of mentality that white supremacists would have. But I might be wrong about that.
I am glad you brought up the colourism episode. You are right, they could have confronted the guy about why he is sexually attracted to white women or shown us that he is kind and humble to everybody or is a selfish jerk.
@@inactivehorse9753 I saw Black-ish and they handled this topic better than the proud family. I mean colourism is when someone thinks that lighter skin is prettier than darker skin, or it can be vice versa. They could have had Noah act that way to the girls to make it more defined.
The main problem with this show is the fact that they try to show racism is bad but they be racist themselves in the show it doesn't really help their argument
I absolutely hated the zoey episode, she was never there friend, it made my skin crawl, the Bebe episode should’ve been explained a bit more, although it’s a 30 minute show just felt it was missing
I wouldn't mind the 'slaves built this country' part if it wasn't so fundamentally incorrect. There are a lot of historical facts and tidbits that are completely wrong or overlooked. For example, the earliest settlers in North America didn't own slaves and slaves weren't introduced for over a hundred years afterwards. Slaves also weren't used to build infrastructure, they mostly worked in crop fields. The show and a lot of people today also forget about the slave trade. Black slavers in Africa rounded up and sold slaves to Europeans and elsewhere. Blacks in the US, and even Native Americans, owned a lot of slaves themselves. Real history is a lot more muddled than 'white people oppressed black people.'
I agree with a lot you said, but there is something I want to put out. Learning US history, I have found that earlier in US history, agriculture was a HUGE part of the economy before the industrial revolution. I don't know if it is right but I don't think the spaves have contributed to the industrial revolution. Now on the proper topic, before the industrial revolution shot up, there were two types of economies. Economy in buildings, and economy on farms. Early in America's history, Thomas Jefferson wanted the US to be an agrarian (agricultural) society, meaning that before the industrial revolution hit, slavery was huge because they worked on agrarian fields. The slave owners handled the economic and business running parts of the country, but the slaves did the real work. That's why it was emphasized that "slaves built this country". They weren't saying "only slaves built this country" because white people have worked on their own right, usually farmers without slaves (if that was common) but mostly, it was the slaves who worked the fields and basically drove the agricultural economy.
@David the King Wolf It would seem that slavery would be good for the economy, but the truth was actually the opposite. Slavery frequently slogged the economy due to the high costs of buying and keeping slaves. It may have been profitable to some. Otherwise, I doubt so many would have supported slavery during the civil war, but overall, it was not very sustainable. Slaves were used largely for labour intensive crops like cotton, but decent yields didn't come about until the introduction to inventions like the cotton gin, which did a far more superior job than a slave ever could.
@@SaraRoseVaughan thanks for your feedback. I only made my point to say that manual work was practically the only way to have come at the time. I never tried to justify anything of it at all. I also really like that you stated the fact that slavery had MASSIVE downsides to not only the slaves themselves, but also the economy as a whole. I will most definitely keep that in mind.
I'm probably gonna get cancelled to hell and back for saying this but... black people shouldn't get reparations for stuff they weren't a part of. Remember racism is still racism and black people CAN be racist.
I think there are a couple things you need to think about. 1. Heritage has a huge effect on race, and black people have went through history of segregation and racism. There are black people living today who have experienced this. 2. The economic standpoint between whites and colored people. Mississippi has the highest populace of black people out of any state, but is the poorest state in the US. Black people are always put in a situation where they are vulnerable because of what politicians and the economy deem those of color. Think about it for a minute. Some people are suffering still.
I think the episode about racial preferences was handled poorly. It's basically like when someone's husband cheats on them with someone who doesn't know they're married. And a wife blames the person for sleeping with him. The creator of the show himself has made it clear he doesn't understand colorism and has been found guilty of taking advantage of how women will blame each other instead of a man when the man is at fault. The right of episode is saying as woman's fault for allowing it to happen in the first place. But Zoey race and appearance is usually a negative on the show so thought they would make it as her taking advantage of the situation instead of her not knowing. Person I get told all the time by black guy so they don't date black girls or Redbones only. If they made this episode about colorism in dating instead like people been asking the creator to do in the first place before the writers decided to blame women for a man's intention they wouldn't know or think is racist it would be different. It's basically victim-blaming Zoey being unwilling and having a friend group breakup a friend group over a guy who's only in one episode is out of character for her. If anything la cienega would have been a better feeling for Zoey. She's prone to stab people in the back and honestly wouldn't believe that someone is only with her cuz of the color for skin or a Hispanic fetish that is very common in the black community. Having a dude make racists or stereotypical suggestions and maybe having her mom or papi have to explain what's happening to her would of been a solid episode.
As a Latina and a furry...this is super disappointing. They were openly racist against Zooey and people don't care because racism against white people is accepted now. I hate the term people of color, I'm brown, not "of color". This isn't truth, Thomas Sowell was a freaking genius...racism is kept alive by people who refuse to stop profiting on people's pain. My husband is Autistic too, and he is happy with the episode. Your fursona is amazing and I really wish you could see beyond the "woke" dogma. Woke for me is obsession with victimhood mentality and black people have it often (white saviors do too).
Well, as a black furry, I see PoC as a way to see us all as minorities to work together in improving the circumstances we were given in this country. Cause whether you like it or not, race and ethnicity have played a role as the country developed, and it hasn't ended at a certain point in history. And while white people are oppressed, it's not because of racism. It is because they are a part of a lower class. There are different types of oppression that need to be worked on to improve a better life in society.
@@JasonBladeReviews I completely agree. Sadly, some people see PoC as only black people BECAUSE most of the anti-racism we were taught was on the topic of black people. Not a lot of people exactly know what happened with other races other than black or white. Take for example, Native Americans were represented as mystical figures unlike "normal people" which in turn forced me to believe that Native Americans were fake and never existed. Then I believed all of them were gone. I never wanted to be racist but from what I have seen, I felt Natives were basically gone. Then I found some DO exist and tribes are thriving, but the government is still treating them like dirt. Movies like old Westerns and Disney's Pocahontas and Peter Pan have those depictions and it is extremely racist. I reality, they still go through struggles of fearing for their lives and having none of the ability to be able to assimilate into society. Especially in Canada with a HORRIFYING Anti-Native sentiment where manifest destiny still is ongoing. I also want to talk about how Latinos were handled. Before English colonies took over, the people from Spain and Portugal were the ones who founded the American land, and contributed to it's colonization before Great Britain formed their own territories some years later. Spanish was to be the first language in the country but then English became such due to the competition of territories. So the Spanish took over territories south of the States and destroyed some native civilizations. But that's not really what I want to talk about. After the revolutionary war, Spanish Speaking people were seen as a threat to the usual citizens (white English Speaking) and many events have happened that almost destroyed their heritage in America. Especially today with Mexicans being blamed for the depression, Miami residents preventing bilingualism due to mass immigration from Latino peoples, and even today with Latino people being called illegal immigrants just for even dreaming of being a part of the US citizenship. My point is that I completely agree with what you said, and also that some races are still being subjugated for many invalid reasons, leading to events that destroy the esteem the people of these races. I hope you continue to prosper with your words and together with many others (as a white furry), we will make the nation better for everyone of every race. I am happy to see if you disagree or have facts that contrast to my statement because I am willing to be further educated.
I suppose get furries from all races/ethnicities in here because I’m an Asian furry & I also feel discomfort about ppl on the internet lobbing me into “poc.” I’m not oppressed 4 my ethnicity where I am even though I’m NOT the oppressed group! Sure, personal implicit racism is experienced … but every1 also experiences that if u think about it. Poc as a product 4 movement is a terrible idea where I am bc my lineage did not face generational oppression. I am not the ingenious people. Every nation should have their own specific model of ethic oppression bc it’s never the same. It’s better 2 lump me with White ppl or a general immigrant population bc that’s more helpful 2 my country’s issues than it is 2 act like a victim when I’m not.
100% agree, POC is a garbage term. As a Mexican American, I never felt racism from white people, never dealt with white supremacy nor any other nonsense things that the SJW victims mobs want me to believe. I seen Mexican people being racist towards blacks, I had more racism from blacks then any one else. I even experienced racism from a El Salvadoran. This country is like any other there are dark parts but there are good parts too. Stop being a victim and being racist towards white people will not improve things. Also we minorities are not a monolith.
I think the superpower bit was more about showing that once a person has the right resources they can and WILL flourish. Reframing getting accustomed to your neurodivergence as “harnessing your superpowers”feels much more powerful and even though I’m not a fan of the reboot, this episode did a phenomenal job of showing how when giving every opportunity they can to flourish, they will. Like a School for gifted youngsters vibe. Source- I’m an adult working on harnessing my own superpowers.
The guy has a preference I've seen and heard girls say "I only date black men" or "I only date Spanish guy" or "I only day white guys" it's a preference the girls were just mad cuz they didn't get chosen
I really love and appreciate that cartoon shows nowadays are addressing autism and the fact that it not only exists, but that it can be hard for some(like me) that live with it. We're just like normal people, we just interpret the world differently. Wish there were shows like this when I was growing up.
Because It's way Woke compared to others who desperately tries so hard, while also OG Animaniacs also did something controversial with their usual stuff despite always been doing this seen the 90's and no difference here with the original creator doing this kind of this also from the early mid 2000's
The early 2000s had some moments where they talked about important issues but the colorism episode had some good intentions, deejay and Michael were in the wrong for just assuming that Noah only liked Zoey for being white. There’s nothing wrong with interracial dating
This show at best should've either get a few more refurbishments in terms of how certian topics are going to be handled along with how characters and story should be written or at worse just not be made at all based on how the viewers (myself included) reacted to how poorly the show handled even the most sensitive subjects like how they handled "Autism Spectrum Disorder" throughout an episode and the end of said episode about Bebe being diagnosed with Autism *(and don't get me started with THE episode, trust me that episode was a hot mess and one of the main reasons why I can't stand "The Proud Family: Louder & Prouder").*
Great video! Your perspective is refreshing especially on a topic that has people flipping shit about the show stating basic facts about America’s history. Anyway, just wanted to say keep up the good work!
The proud family is good at bringing up topics but is terrible at actually discussing them. The autism episode was one of my least favorite aspects. First, it’s pretty underhanded to make your autistic character a baby that is barely a character a show in the first place where you never have to commit to writing. Second, they cast and had a consultant who is a former board member of autism speaks (an extremely harmful organization) play the role of the doctor. With that context in mind, it also undermines the idea of sending Bebe to school because it could very well be one of the harmful practices done to actual children. The ending also reveals the children all have superpowers playing into the aspie supremacy idea that autism is a superpower. It’s just constantly things like that. Let’s make a Black queer man but make him married to a white cop. Let’s reserve the most overt bigotry and ignorance to the dark skinned characters and double down on the colorism that was an issue in the original. Let’s just laugh off someone violently outing a Black queer man to the whole neighborhood. Oh let’s make an episode about social media and then make the white Instagram star the victim and act as if “cancel culture” is a legitimate thing. I feel that the Proud Family gets credit for just bringing up topics without any real discussion as to how those topics are handled and they often just lack a great deal of nuance. Love the video, sib! The Proud Family isn’t my thing but I have enjoyed your coverage on it.
I think the problem with a lot of shows/movies now is that they handle these topics so poorly. There's better ways to tackle racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. But it's clear they're basing their dialogue off of Twitter arguments.
Information regarding autism: There are 3 levels of autism, which are high-functioning autism(AKA Asperger's Syndrome and Level 1 Autism)(which I have), medium-functioning autism(AKA Level 2 Autism)(An autist on this level has the mental capacity of a 7-year-old. Think of Forrest Gump, Raymond Babbitt from the movie 'Rain Man', or Arnie Grape from the movie 'What's Eating Gilbert Grape'.), and low-functioning autism(AKA Level 3 Autism)(An autist on this level has the mental capacity of an infant, a toddler, or, at most, a 4-year-old.). There are a number of symptoms that an autist can have, including having restrictive & repetitive behaviors, having intense interests, having issues with social interactions(which may include being unable to pick up on social cues and/or being unable to pick up on sarcasm), and being unable to understand social & societal norms. Some autists either have weak cognitive empathy(AKA empathic accuracy and theory-of-mind) or completely lack it(completely lacking it is referred to as "mind-blindness"). There are things that autists may be more or less capable with than non-autists, including math(which I royally suck at), multi-tasking(which I royally suck at), and memorization(which varies with me). There are conditions that a lot of autists have in addition to autism, including ADHD(which I had as a kid) or ADD(which I have had since middle school), OCD(which I have a mild case of), anxiety, depression, epilepsy, prosopagnosia(AKA face-blindness), phonagnosia, which is the auditory equivalent of prosopagnosia, and hypotonia, which affects muscle tone, muscle strength, motor skills, and stamina. Autists tend to have sensory issues. For example, many autists are sensitive to loud noises(I have this issue) and there are autists who either have a stronger-than-usual sense of smell that keeps them from eating certain foods(I usually can't eat macaroni-&-cheese if it's been made with cheddar cheese), have the opposite problem, or have both problems at different times. For example, I normally have a stronger-than-usual sense of smell, but there are times when I can't smell things that other people around me can smell. It's a very strange experience. More examples regarding sensory issues are that plenty of autists can't stand having tags on shirts that they wear(I have had this problem since I was little) and that plenty of autists can't stand the sensations that certain fabrics cause them to have on their skin, which affects the clothing that they can wear. Some autists naturally speak in a monotone voice, lack variation in speech when it comes to tone, pitch, and accent, either have difficulty with or are incapable of distinguishing voice tones, and either have difficulty with or are incapable of verbally & facially conveying their emotions in ways that don't come off as exaggerated and cartoonish. Some high-functioning autists(AKA aspies) are so high-functioning that a normal person would have to spend a lot of time with them to notice any of their autism symptoms. Some high-functioning autists and some medium-functioning autists(For example, Raymond Babbitt from the movie 'Rain Man'.) have what is called Savant Syndrome, which makes it so that they are much more skilled in memory, math, art, music, and/or spatial skills than a normal person. For more information on autism, check out these webpages: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_spectrum. www.iidc.indiana.edu/irca/articles/social-communication-and-language-characteristics. www.spectrumnews.org/features/deep-dive/when-autistic-people-commit-sexual-crimes/. For more information on prosopagnosia, watch these: czcams.com/video/3-MzNPcEh6M/video.html. czcams.com/video/XcgK_7kQUwQ/video.html.
I’m glad the proud family is getting the chance to talk more about what’s happening in the world, the episode where maya’s father realizes how his race had a history in slavery was a good episode
@@92JazzQueen yeah that too. I feel like next season we need an episode on the wizard being too rich to see how he’s still black kinda like what the boys did a train
Nah i wish Zoey was in the right that the guy just liked her instead of her friends being right that he likes her cause she's white. If they wanted the friends to be right there should have been more hints instead of them just saying it and getting upset at Zoey for no reason
I notice Noah likes girls that are not fans of him or fangirls of him, maybe that is one of the traits that he is attracted to of not date someone that already has parasocial feelings towards him. Also some of Zoeys friends, already have boyfriends or currently dating one, dose that make them cheaters in a sense. Also some of Zoeys friends r being hypocrites as well of like they are more attracted to a lighter skinned poc that is Noah than be loyal to their darker poc babes.
This is way better than those “slavery didn’t make America” videos, because we can list all the things that slaves did during the plantations and all that anytime, but just like you, doesn’t live up to the first and original The Proud Family. I don’t feel like this show represents Gen-Z in a way that The Proud Family did which at the time represented the Millennials, but it did touch on some current topics that I saw more and more in the late 2010s and early 2020s, like Black country and Native country, the 2 gay dads with an amazing chemistry, the return of Lacienega’s Flintstone feet in the olympics, a grouchy business woman that Michael was working with was in secret a dog lover and so on. I feel like people are taking the last episode and making it into something more offensive than what it is not. I do feel like they need to turn that down a little, because I felt 2020 repeating itself all over again and made me not like the ending of season 2 for what it was.
Y’know, I wish I got 2 c positive autistic representation as a kid. As someone who had an invisible autism as a kid - an autism that nobody ever identified but was evident & prevailing my entire life - I wish I would’ve seen explanations of what it is. Even though, I’d argue, Louder & Prouder is roughly teaching university 101 concepts, their on-the-noseness with adult topics teaches adolescents a lot. I needed 2 know about my expression of autism bc no 1 ever told me. Though, unfortunately, the show doesn’t portray the autism I exhibit, I’m happy there was a positive depiction … regardless of it hitting patronising tropes.
Disney wants to avoid being like Boondocks ...and just capitalism on anything that looks like it would make them money with many families. However now seen as "woke" where conservatives often robot brain (not knowing how to define such themselves without prejudicial stereotyping groups of people, or being hypocrites) Disney may have lost that money. Likely though those types wanted to keep Song of the South and the ride open as traditions to be proud of among other such things Disney as a whole rather forget. Capitalism on such things as PC ideas may give motivation for some in the end of it, and avoiding the bigger issues that are more controversial than this to get real points across often seem an issue. Conformity almost cult likeness and rushed broken robot recordings of repetition will often be more on issues where none of these shows will be completely timeless treasures as much as just fading echoes through history. I do wish better however for future generations.
I'm so happy about how you explained the poetry episode. Other critics don't watch the full episode, and so there's no context for them to build upon. You're probably the only critic I've seen that didn't start using stereotypes as well 👏👏
I have an older brother who has autism. He is very high on the autism spectrum. Now the superpower bit at 12:30 was necessary because it symbolized for me that when you give your child the resources to be a better, more powerful version of themselves. My brother is super strong and caring. As his little sister, he alway been my superhero. ❤
They should really learn in school the real history and how it really happen and how every history being American and I really wanted here a little more Latinos side as well the kids are born America and you really don’t know that side that story at all
I don't think it would have been appropriate for the topic that the show was trying to go for. Ok, I don't think appropriate was the right word, hopefully you get what I mean. Yes, black people WEREN'T the only ones who have went through subjugation, but since most the crew WAS BLACK, we wouldn't know how they would have represented the other races and what they went through. The black perspective is all you need when you have the source. Not one source can state all the facts unless everyone of every race was involved and the cast was the same. You gotta think of perspective rather than just facts.
Do you feel Louder and Prouder handle the political topics well?
The part where one character had autism would have been better if they didn't show that scene with the super powers at the end kind of just undid everything they said in the episode
@@92JazzQueen I will agree with you on that one. the copy of White Fragility seems more like product placement the show was using to push propaganda while the writers seemed to miss out on a few key historical facts when it came to slavery such as California not being a slave state or the fact that only a small number of folks, which had black people, white people and indigenous folks among their numbers, owned slaves.
It looked to me like they were trying to push propaganda instead of offering a history lesson, even if it was oversimplified for the target audience. Also the copy of White Fragility comes across as product placement for a book that the target audience won't be able to read or understand until they are in high school at the very least.
It’s honestly a coin flip at this point. I loved the OG Proud Family and honestly think they handled this stuff better then the new one in some cases because it seems like the new one only has the writers sometimes do their research and other times just go with their own feelings/opinions on things. I’m hoping it’ll get more cohesive as it goes on and the show remembers the age range it’s being marketed towards is 6-13 year olds, not that older can’t enjoy it but I don’t know that the younger kids will absorb the lessons it’s trying to teach correctly or understand them properly.
Nope
Something interesting I just noticed. Okay, so Noah only dates white girls right? But is it really only based on how attractive they are? If you notice, when Noah first arrives in the cafeteria, a specific white girl approaches him. He blows a kiss to her and she falls to the floor. For some reason, he didn't think to ask her to the dance, instead he bypasses her and then located Zoey, actually making Zoey the 2nd white girl he saw. What made him choose Zoey over the first girl? If you notice, after Zoey dumps him, that same girl he blew a kiss to in the beginning is the one he ends up dating after the fact despite her being presumably more attractive than Zoey who is nerdy for lack of a better word. Him liking white girls is only surface level but for some reason he must have noticed something unique about Zoey besides her skin color that stood out to him, not to mention she was eating like a slob but that didn't deter him at all. Also, the girls were already shocked and jealous that Noah picked Zoey because they (Penny included) felt that they were all cuter than her. But perhaps Noah wasn't simply trying to date a girl solely based on how attractive they were. It makes the girls look even more shallow now that I think about this because while they're mad at him for dating only white girls (Or mad at Zoey for that matter) they're just as bad for thinking that a guy should choose automatically choose a girl solely based on how cute or popular she is. I think that's an interesting observation that we all missed the first time around (myself included).
Yeah that is an excellent point to make. What really puts this episode down is because not only the assumption that doesn't get questioned right out of the gate, but also because she's suppose to be the "ugly one" within the friend shows how incredibly toxic that friend group can be and how reactionary they become from a simple rumor that was from word of mouth. Instead of taking the time to research his dating history (He's a famous actor, people love stalking their relationship status) or even talk to the dude about the issue, they used that rumor to cope that someone would choose Zoey over the rest is incredibly cruel. All they needed to do was simply make Noah look like he's pushing the racial interests way too much to make it work and that alone would fix change the episode to an entirely different direction than where it went. This topic is a genuine issue, I do believe that whole heartedly (and in general, not just black guys being only interested in white girls), but they missed the mark and just made all the girls (and Michael) look like ass holes.
@@JasonBladeReviews Yeah I totally agree...
I noticed that too
Yeah...plus, it was so wrong of Penny and Dijonay to be interested in Noah. I mean, they already have boyfriends. That just made them look even worse
@@JasonBladeReviews See, this thing of "loyalty" is overrated... and sounds silly in a friendship dynamic. You should be loyal to oneself only (and your family by extension). Americans have decided to pinpoint Loyalty as the end-all-be-all but all I see it as manipulation that stems from white entitlement from centuries of conditioning that things belong to them. Nobody privatizes individuals.
I’m Autistic and felt that episode did a fantastic job of showcasing Bebe’s diagnosis and the family’s reaction was completely believable. What I didn’t like was the ending that showed all the kids on the spectrum to have superpowers, which actually pissed me off because that’s a common analogy with Autism.
It's a really ham-fisted way to boost self-esteem at best. I mean, everyone has a talent.
I definitely agree with you on that. I feel it does nothing but add more pressure and certainly categorize those on the spectrum as "different" instead of treating them as they are: people.
@@JasonBladeReviews Yes, exactly, thank you!
I agreed to ask someone on the spectrum that ending was very annoying.
I also felt ignored as an autistic female. I would have thought that CeCe would be autistic to since we hardly see any autistic black females in media. She's also getting into the same shenanigans as BeBe does. Maybe this is a nitpick. I do agree with you about the fact that BeBe was made out to have superpowers, especially with that Black Adam comparison by Dr. Pain.
I can relate a lot to that episode, cause I've experienced it myself. A black guy asked me out, and instead of being happy for me?
They were upset with me, because I was white. I didn't choose that skin color, and when I said that? My black friends told me that I was
"White privileged" and that white girls were ruining the black generation by having mixed children. When I tried to explain on how that sounded
racist? They said that it wasn't racist because I was white, and then when I tried to explain on how racism worked? They started talking over me,
trying to use slavery against me, and on how white people don't experience racism cause of having white skin, etc. None of my friends that day listened, and proceeded to talk behind my back, calling me a racist, and saying that I can't speak about racism cause of being "White privileged"
I ended up telling the guy no, and gave a reason on why because of what happened with my friends. He ended up talking to them one day when I wasn't there. When the next day came? My friends tried to apologize, and when I called them out on their behavior, called them fake friends, and never spoke to them again. They still try to talk to me, but I don't like being put in situations that cause drama over the slightest thing, and if they're not willing to listen while trying to invalidate how you feel, along with your experiences? Then they're not true friends.
:( I'm sorry you went though that. I hope you have found friends that will support you and bring you up.
@@katherinemahlum178 She's not a victim. This is why white girls can't have black female friends. You always want to play victim. I slowly started having more ethbuc friends in my white school because of this.
@@suzygirl1843 respectfully disagree with you. Friendship has no color preference. It's who you vibe with. It's unfortunate that we are still living in times where a person's color matters more than Friendship.
@@katherinemahlum178 Well, can you say that when you have senators trying to bring back Lynching laws. I know its PC to say we shouldn't be tribalist. USA is still segregated and gaslighting black girls isn't gonna make them forget that. They just have to look around their own community.
@@suzygirl1843 Not all people that live in the US make fun of black people. Slavery is constantly used against white people in this generation that's never had slaves, plus the history of slavery is wrong. A black man started selling black slaves, and that's how slavery started. Every race was used as a slave, not just black people. Slaves also didn't build "This country" Disney didn't even get their facts right when talking about it. White people, asian people, mexican people will instantly be pounced on over the slightest thing. Every race also wore dreads for multiple reasons, but yet it's okay for some black people to mimic a white persons hair style.
People of color do have more power, and use their race as any excuse to get what they want, yet will be quick to call a white person privileged cause of their skin color when in reality? Everyone is working their butts off to keep everything they own, etc.
Sadly skin color will always be brought up. Using slavery against white people, and expecting hand outs won't solve anything.
Not all people act this way, but racism will always come from every side.
They did zoey dirty I’m sorry
Some of it felt like them getting pissed off that Zoey (who is less conventionally pretty than the others) got the guy and like no guy can be attracted to her for her
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 I also don’t like that it seem like Myron is the he doesn’t count guy because he’s nerdy to them guys a sweetheart I hope he and zoey make it
I know what you mean. The episode didn't make sense other than the fact that Penny is trying to be a mediator to a bunch of fake friends who believe they are in the right to use Colorism against Zoey because a boy happens to like her. True, Penny wasn't perfect in this either (already having a great boyfriend she ignores with Dijonay), but at the very least she doesn't believe Zoey is in the wrong and is willing to discuss what might've actually happened. Dijonay, however, ruins this in her twisted view of everything wrong in her own, miniscule world. The worst thing she says is that 'Zoey doesn't get it,' like, wtf? What, pray tell, was Zoey, and in this case, the audience as a whole, is supposed to get? Not only does she refuse to explain anything, but she makes it worse for everyone around her! Worse still, a gaslit Zoey is made to APOLOGIZE despite the fact that Maya CAUSED the whole thing with her flippant attitude! No one bothered to search for the whole truth beyond the rumor, or gave Zoey the benefit of the doubt that she got lucky, OR Dijonay remaining faithful to a great boy that was aslready there!
Honestly, I would've drop-kicked Dijonay, LaCienica, AND Maya LONG before this series came into play! It's never worth it belittling yourself and lowering your self-worth to anybody's standards like that! As well all know, Penny and Zoey could do far better!
@@kaytlinjustis5643 I think zoey is gonna be the only one penny is still in contact with in ten years
@@kaytlinjustis5643 Yeah Maya so flippant she didn't help Penny with Bebe, telling her "That's what happens when you don't stand up for yourself", wow Maya never expected from your politics, you sound like a Ayn Rand fan
Always felt the show (then and now) always seemed to be "forgive your abuser/toxic relative and friend" and even to give in to them.
Like I have thoughts on Trudy Proud. Like a lot.
EDIT: Like Trudy is supposed to be more moral, reasonable, and intelligent than Oscar right? Well she comes off as a controlling petty hypocrite that seems to set Penny up to be taken advantage of by others, like there was a reason Penny apologized to her parents for telling off that rude wheelchair boy.
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Yeah they don't know how to handle the toxic relationships very well. I'm curious as to what your thoughts are on Trudy.
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Honestly, from someone who is on the spectrum I like the way they handled bebes autism, but I don't like them showing him with super powers, instead of maybe showing him being good at school.
I completely agree zoey honeslty is the only good friend and person in this show imo she might not be perfect but she has been the most honest and caring of the bunch and she did NOT deserve the disrespect in this episode it made me feel so uncomfortable making her feel bad For something she CANNOT control made no sense to me
As someone who watches the original proud family and loves it, I really don't like this modern version. They go even more overboard, and way harder on issues. They are acting like most hyper activist where if there's any issue at any level it's ok to do anything to fix or bring it up.
Guy only likes white girls, could be a race thing, sensitive topic but why hate the friend? She's the nerd with self-esteem issues, she's had a guy, let alone a celebrity take interest in her so she's going to jump at it and her friends immediately turning will make her not believe that the only thing he likes about her is her skin color
Protest a statue you don't agree with, fine but get the full story and don't interrupt the ceremony, you have the right to protest, not cause a disturbance. Then Penny says she's being silenced for the truth instead of being jailes for doing something legitimately wrong and then acting like something a person ancestor did makes them just as guilty. We should remember the past and use those failures to net9the future, not act like it's everyone descendents fault. We want all to be equal not some with special treatment
Also I just noticed, where's Stinky?
Stinky's va got into legal trouble when the reboot was made
@@mufffin4582 I saw a Video alittle after this explaining that. I'm so bummed to hear another young actor getting into crime
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What happened to the character is that he moved away, which is why we gotten brand new characters in this reboot to replace him.
The VA (Voice Actor) for the character on the other hand... I'm not touching that with a 10ft pole even if I wanted too.
yeah but white and only white froma white guy makes sense but its interpertation
I know the episode "The end of Innocence" is misleading to alot of people due to the fact Noah only dating white girls leads to colorism. But here are my takes on it:
1. Noah does NOT represent all black men who are down for thier women. He is an individual who is allowed to date any girl he wanted.
2. Even if he doesn't have any preferences, they'll still accused Zoey for going out with him.
3. People accused Noah for kissing a the same white girl at the end of the episode when in reality, Noah could've kissed any girl he finds attractive.
4. Last but not least, A Double-Edge Sword. Even if Noah dating girls like Penny or Lacienega, many of you would still be upset if Maya said he only dates girls who have lighter skin tone. It's basically a no win situation for him.
Let me know what you guys think.
People should date who they like.
I have watched videos on why men have started dating other races and are going out to different countries.
It has more to do with the toxic culture we have created in America than anything else. The feminist movement started off as a good thing and later on became toxic.
American woman do not think twice about getting in a man's face
taking a swing at them and the man is supposed to stand there and take it .
@@Kibatsume1 I'm full aware of the Passport Bros. Still, Noah could've anything girl besides the one from the beginning & the end of the episode.
@@MetalX-zt2ws lets not for get penny and desonae are the only one in the group with boyfriends why are you trying to go after him
@@jakie4444 Because they no boundries.
Listen I grew up in Georgia, Where's slavery what's a thing. And where many of the Plantation houses still standing. And here in the South don't sugarcoat slavery at all. But they do say it was in the past and we must be better. So treat people how you wish to be treated... They would show us the slaves day to day work.. They would bring in dried up cotton plants and we would have to try to pick the cotton off the plant and separate the seeds. If you want to pick cotton you have to wait until the plant is dried and the plant is a very very sharp. And then there's about 8 to 7 seeds in the cotton so you have to pick that all out by hand before the cotton gin was invented. So we would do that in our history class. And then our teachers would ask us like how did we feel about that and how do we think the slaves felt. And before people go off in the comments, There were permission slips sent out a month before explaining what they would be doing during that month. And every parent usually said yes maybe one kid's parents said no... But we got to make butter and jam and biscuits too.
@92JazzQueen yes. Now of days and for those who are lucky enough to do it as just an experience. But my grandmother's family was very poor... So they did it as a survival method. A one-room house with an outhouse.
So yes it can be a learning experience... But for my grandparents family it was survival and work.
Hey, I’m a Georgian too. What part were you from?
@Jae Jae Near Athens. So a good mix of city and county
One thing I don't get is how their town could be founded by a slave owner; if they live in California which I'm just assuming. Then their couldn't be slavery, because when California became a state it was after the Civil War, and before that it was Spanish colony which already made slavery illegal
My best assumption would be that once the war was finished, he moved out west to that area would be the only way it would make sense, but even then in completely messes up the history of the family because how could the diary be buried in the area in the first place. The only thought is that Smith's family discovered it and stashed it away themselves in hopes no one discovered the truth about Smith being a slave owner. Of course that's a lot of assumptions to be made in order for this to make sense which further proves why it needed to be a two part episode or a movie special in order for them to give it time.
@@JasonBladeReviews why wouldn't the smith's just burn the diary
@@emilioochoa2862 great question
Idfk lol
Didn't the Spanish Colonies have slavery though? I know they participated in the Atlantic slave trade. If it was earlier in the timeline maybe its possible for the history to not be so far fetched.
@@JasonBladeReviews Also California became a state in 1850 the civil war was from 1861-1865 but California was a free state so same principle where the founder couldn't've been a slave owner while he was founding the town.
Actually. The slave thing was presented incorrectly and didn't include all slaves of working class. They forgot to include Asians, and Mexicans as they were also slaves as well. I would suggest watching The Treehouse News for more correct info.
I think you are missing the point.
Could they have represented the Asian and Mexican slaves accurately? The only reason why they mentioned their race is because that's who they are. Just a thing to think about
@David the King Wolf It's not only about representation but about accuracy as well. Say for example the hands up don't shoot that was featured in the show. That was proven to be false many times. If they are going to say stuff, atleast present it in a somewhat accurate way.
@@saphirawinters7028 even though I only mentioned representation, I did wonder if they were representing accurately if they'd do it. If they can't say anything about THEIR OWN RACE accurately, then they shouldn't have the privilege to say anything.
The one dating one really rubbed me wrong sense it felt low key anti mixed race relationships it gave the “ white woman stealing our men “ vibe that Is so annoying
Ironically, the anti-interracial relationship mentality is exactly the kind of mentality that white supremacists would have. But I might be wrong about that.
I am glad you brought up the colourism episode. You are right, they could have confronted the guy about why he is sexually attracted to white women or shown us that he is kind and humble to everybody or is a selfish jerk.
but instead they didn't do anything and lashed out at Zoey for no reason other than pure jealousy. This episode is pure Woke Garbage.
@@inactivehorse9753 I saw Black-ish and they handled this topic better than the proud family. I mean colourism is when someone thinks that lighter skin is prettier than darker skin, or it can be vice versa. They could have had Noah act that way to the girls to make it more defined.
I swear, this show makes me so mad, and yet... I always find myself checking out the clips. I have a problem 😥
you're not the only one
The main problem with this show is the fact that they try to show racism is bad but they be racist themselves in the show it doesn't really help their argument
Exactly
I absolutely hated the zoey episode, she was never there friend, it made my skin crawl, the Bebe episode should’ve been explained a bit more, although it’s a 30 minute show just felt it was missing
I wouldn't mind the 'slaves built this country' part if it wasn't so fundamentally incorrect. There are a lot of historical facts and tidbits that are completely wrong or overlooked. For example, the earliest settlers in North America didn't own slaves and slaves weren't introduced for over a hundred years afterwards. Slaves also weren't used to build infrastructure, they mostly worked in crop fields. The show and a lot of people today also forget about the slave trade. Black slavers in Africa rounded up and sold slaves to Europeans and elsewhere. Blacks in the US, and even Native Americans, owned a lot of slaves themselves. Real history is a lot more muddled than 'white people oppressed black people.'
@@sebastienholmes548 And most of them were Jewish, not white.
I agree with a lot you said, but there is something I want to put out.
Learning US history, I have found that earlier in US history, agriculture was a HUGE part of the economy before the industrial revolution. I don't know if it is right but I don't think the spaves have contributed to the industrial revolution.
Now on the proper topic, before the industrial revolution shot up, there were two types of economies. Economy in buildings, and economy on farms. Early in America's history, Thomas Jefferson wanted the US to be an agrarian (agricultural) society, meaning that before the industrial revolution hit, slavery was huge because they worked on agrarian fields. The slave owners handled the economic and business running parts of the country, but the slaves did the real work. That's why it was emphasized that "slaves built this country". They weren't saying "only slaves built this country" because white people have worked on their own right, usually farmers without slaves (if that was common) but mostly, it was the slaves who worked the fields and basically drove the agricultural economy.
@David the King Wolf It would seem that slavery would be good for the economy, but the truth was actually the opposite. Slavery frequently slogged the economy due to the high costs of buying and keeping slaves. It may have been profitable to some. Otherwise, I doubt so many would have supported slavery during the civil war, but overall, it was not very sustainable. Slaves were used largely for labour intensive crops like cotton, but decent yields didn't come about until the introduction to inventions like the cotton gin, which did a far more superior job than a slave ever could.
@@SaraRoseVaughan thanks for your feedback. I only made my point to say that manual work was practically the only way to have come at the time. I never tried to justify anything of it at all.
I also really like that you stated the fact that slavery had MASSIVE downsides to not only the slaves themselves, but also the economy as a whole. I will most definitely keep that in mind.
"Only dating someone within a specific age group"
Um, as you should??? You shouldn't date kids or elderly people wtf 💀
I'm probably gonna get cancelled to hell and back for saying this but... black people shouldn't get reparations for stuff they weren't a part of. Remember racism is still racism and black people CAN be racist.
I think there are a couple things you need to think about.
1. Heritage has a huge effect on race, and black people have went through history of segregation and racism. There are black people living today who have experienced this.
2. The economic standpoint between whites and colored people. Mississippi has the highest populace of black people out of any state, but is the poorest state in the US. Black people are always put in a situation where they are vulnerable because of what politicians and the economy deem those of color. Think about it for a minute. Some people are suffering still.
@@WolfgangXP65-67 Were they slaves personally? no? then the dont get reparations. Poverty cant be solved by handing out money.
@@tetraxis3011actually it can because this country spends like $1 trillion on its military but cant give enough of a rats ass to end poverty
I think the episode about racial preferences was handled poorly. It's basically like when someone's husband cheats on them with someone who doesn't know they're married. And a wife blames the person for sleeping with him. The creator of the show himself has made it clear he doesn't understand colorism and has been found guilty of taking advantage of how women will blame each other instead of a man when the man is at fault. The right of episode is saying as woman's fault for allowing it to happen in the first place. But Zoey race and appearance is usually a negative on the show so thought they would make it as her taking advantage of the situation instead of her not knowing.
Person I get told all the time by black guy so they don't date black girls or Redbones only. If they made this episode about colorism in dating instead like people been asking the creator to do in the first place before the writers decided to blame women for a man's intention they wouldn't know or think is racist it would be different. It's basically victim-blaming Zoey being unwilling and having a friend group breakup a friend group over a guy who's only in one episode is out of character for her. If anything la cienega would have been a better feeling for Zoey. She's prone to stab people in the back and honestly wouldn't believe that someone is only with her cuz of the color for skin or a Hispanic fetish that is very common in the black community. Having a dude make racists or stereotypical suggestions and maybe having her mom or papi have to explain what's happening to her would of been a solid episode.
Shame on Penny she clearly has a boyfriend and still after someone else who’s more famous and hmm hotter than her
As a Latina and a furry...this is super disappointing. They were openly racist against Zooey and people don't care because racism against white people is accepted now. I hate the term people of color, I'm brown, not "of color". This isn't truth, Thomas Sowell was a freaking genius...racism is kept alive by people who refuse to stop profiting on people's pain. My husband is Autistic too, and he is happy with the episode.
Your fursona is amazing and I really wish you could see beyond the "woke" dogma. Woke for me is obsession with victimhood mentality and black people have it often (white saviors do too).
Well, as a black furry, I see PoC as a way to see us all as minorities to work together in improving the circumstances we were given in this country. Cause whether you like it or not, race and ethnicity have played a role as the country developed, and it hasn't ended at a certain point in history. And while white people are oppressed, it's not because of racism. It is because they are a part of a lower class. There are different types of oppression that need to be worked on to improve a better life in society.
@@JasonBladeReviews I completely agree. Sadly, some people see PoC as only black people BECAUSE most of the anti-racism we were taught was on the topic of black people. Not a lot of people exactly know what happened with other races other than black or white.
Take for example, Native Americans were represented as mystical figures unlike "normal people" which in turn forced me to believe that Native Americans were fake and never existed. Then I believed all of them were gone. I never wanted to be racist but from what I have seen, I felt Natives were basically gone. Then I found some DO exist and tribes are thriving, but the government is still treating them like dirt. Movies like old Westerns and Disney's Pocahontas and Peter Pan have those depictions and it is extremely racist. I reality, they still go through struggles of fearing for their lives and having none of the ability to be able to assimilate into society. Especially in Canada with a HORRIFYING Anti-Native sentiment where manifest destiny still is ongoing.
I also want to talk about how Latinos were handled. Before English colonies took over, the people from Spain and Portugal were the ones who founded the American land, and contributed to it's colonization before Great Britain formed their own territories some years later. Spanish was to be the first language in the country but then English became such due to the competition of territories. So the Spanish took over territories south of the States and destroyed some native civilizations.
But that's not really what I want to talk about. After the revolutionary war, Spanish Speaking people were seen as a threat to the usual citizens (white English Speaking) and many events have happened that almost destroyed their heritage in America. Especially today with Mexicans being blamed for the depression, Miami residents preventing bilingualism due to mass immigration from Latino peoples, and even today with Latino people being called illegal immigrants just for even dreaming of being a part of the US citizenship.
My point is that I completely agree with what you said, and also that some races are still being subjugated for many invalid reasons, leading to events that destroy the esteem the people of these races. I hope you continue to prosper with your words and together with many others (as a white furry), we will make the nation better for everyone of every race. I am happy to see if you disagree or have facts that contrast to my statement because I am willing to be further educated.
thats worse than when africans say the n word
I suppose get furries from all races/ethnicities in here because I’m an Asian furry & I also feel discomfort about ppl on the internet lobbing me into “poc.” I’m not oppressed 4 my ethnicity where I am even though I’m NOT the oppressed group! Sure, personal implicit racism is experienced … but every1 also experiences that if u think about it. Poc as a product 4 movement is a terrible idea where I am bc my lineage did not face generational oppression. I am not the ingenious people. Every nation should have their own specific model of ethic oppression bc it’s never the same. It’s better 2 lump me with White ppl or a general immigrant population bc that’s more helpful 2 my country’s issues than it is 2 act like a victim when I’m not.
100% agree, POC is a garbage term. As a Mexican American, I never felt racism from white people, never dealt with white supremacy nor any other nonsense things that the SJW victims mobs want me to believe. I seen Mexican people being racist towards blacks, I had more racism from blacks then any one else. I even experienced racism from a El Salvadoran. This country is like any other there are dark parts but there are good parts too. Stop being a victim and being racist towards white people will not improve things. Also we minorities are not a monolith.
I think the superpower bit was more about showing that once a person has the right resources they can and WILL flourish. Reframing getting accustomed to your neurodivergence as “harnessing your superpowers”feels much more powerful and even though I’m not a fan of the reboot, this episode did a phenomenal job of showing how when giving every opportunity they can to flourish, they will. Like a School for gifted youngsters vibe.
Source- I’m an adult working on harnessing my own superpowers.
The guy has a preference I've seen and heard girls say "I only date black men" or "I only date Spanish guy" or "I only day white guys" it's a preference the girls were just mad cuz they didn't get chosen
I really love and appreciate that cartoon shows nowadays are addressing autism and the fact that it not only exists, but that it can be hard for some(like me) that live with it. We're just like normal people, we just interpret the world differently. Wish there were shows like this when I was growing up.
Ok damn I love how you broke down that whole monologue I had no idea about using the consonants that’s really cool
Because It's way Woke compared to others who desperately tries so hard, while also OG Animaniacs also did something controversial with their usual stuff despite always been doing this seen the 90's and no difference here with the original creator doing this kind of this also from the early mid 2000's
The early 2000s had some moments where they talked about important issues but the colorism episode had some good intentions, deejay and Michael were in the wrong for just assuming that Noah only liked Zoey for being white. There’s nothing wrong with interracial dating
@@92JazzQueen did the show really say that? They are Disgusting for that.
@@92JazzQueen what when?
This show at best should've either get a few more refurbishments in terms of how certian topics are going to be handled along with how characters and story should be written or at worse just not be made at all based on how the viewers (myself included) reacted to how poorly the show handled even the most sensitive subjects like how they handled "Autism Spectrum Disorder" throughout an episode and the end of said episode about Bebe being diagnosed with Autism *(and don't get me started with THE episode, trust me that episode was a hot mess and one of the main reasons why I can't stand "The Proud Family: Louder & Prouder").*
I really hope that season 3 will do a episode on Penny talking to a therapist about her family and friends.
So this is an episode about Michael B Jordan and how black women feel some type of way about who he dates but have no problem with Serena Williams
I really hope that season 3 will do an episode on Bobby becoming more independent from Suga Mama and seeing how it will affect their relationship.
fursona be damned this man can write an essay
Great video! Your perspective is refreshing especially on a topic that has people flipping shit about the show stating basic facts about America’s history. Anyway, just wanted to say keep up the good work!
Much appreciation! Not gonna lie the response this video has received has been polarizing. Even if it was expected.
Of course The Proud Family did this it was the first black cartoon ever on Disney then Princess and the frog came out
The proud family is good at bringing up topics but is terrible at actually discussing them. The autism episode was one of my least favorite aspects.
First, it’s pretty underhanded to make your autistic character a baby that is barely a character a show in the first place where you never have to commit to writing.
Second, they cast and had a consultant who is a former board member of autism speaks (an extremely harmful organization) play the role of the doctor. With that context in mind, it also undermines the idea of sending Bebe to school because it could very well be one of the harmful practices done to actual children.
The ending also reveals the children all have superpowers playing into the aspie supremacy idea that autism is a superpower.
It’s just constantly things like that. Let’s make a Black queer man but make him married to a white cop. Let’s reserve the most overt bigotry and ignorance to the dark skinned characters and double down on the colorism that was an issue in the original. Let’s just laugh off someone violently outing a Black queer man to the whole neighborhood. Oh let’s make an episode about social media and then make the white Instagram star the victim and act as if “cancel culture” is a legitimate thing.
I feel that the Proud Family gets credit for just bringing up topics without any real discussion as to how those topics are handled and they often just lack a great deal of nuance.
Love the video, sib! The Proud Family isn’t my thing but I have enjoyed your coverage on it.
the problem with the show now is that it try to show deep ideas but only stay on surface level :
Your analysis of the poem was so intelligent. Well done!
I think the problem with a lot of shows/movies now is that they handle these topics so poorly. There's better ways to tackle racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. But it's clear they're basing their dialogue off of Twitter arguments.
Information regarding autism:
There are 3 levels of autism, which are high-functioning autism(AKA Asperger's Syndrome and Level 1 Autism)(which I have), medium-functioning autism(AKA Level 2 Autism)(An autist on this level has the mental capacity of a 7-year-old. Think of Forrest Gump, Raymond Babbitt from the movie 'Rain Man', or Arnie Grape from the movie 'What's Eating Gilbert Grape'.), and low-functioning autism(AKA Level 3 Autism)(An autist on this level has the mental capacity of an infant, a toddler, or, at most, a 4-year-old.).
There are a number of symptoms that an autist can have, including having restrictive & repetitive behaviors, having intense interests, having issues with social interactions(which may include being unable to pick up on social cues and/or being unable to pick up on sarcasm), and being unable to understand social & societal norms. Some autists either have weak cognitive empathy(AKA empathic accuracy and theory-of-mind) or completely lack it(completely lacking it is referred to as "mind-blindness"). There are things that autists may be more or less capable with than non-autists, including math(which I royally suck at), multi-tasking(which I royally suck at), and memorization(which varies with me). There are conditions that a lot of autists have in addition to autism, including ADHD(which I had as a kid) or ADD(which I have had since middle school), OCD(which I have a mild case of), anxiety, depression, epilepsy, prosopagnosia(AKA face-blindness), phonagnosia, which is the auditory equivalent of prosopagnosia, and hypotonia, which affects muscle tone, muscle strength, motor skills, and stamina.
Autists tend to have sensory issues. For example, many autists are sensitive to loud noises(I have this issue) and there are autists who either have a stronger-than-usual sense of smell that keeps them from eating certain foods(I usually can't eat macaroni-&-cheese if it's been made with cheddar cheese), have the opposite problem, or have both problems at different times. For example, I normally have a stronger-than-usual sense of smell, but there are times when I can't smell things that other people around me can smell. It's a very strange experience. More examples regarding sensory issues are that plenty of autists can't stand having tags on shirts that they wear(I have had this problem since I was little) and that plenty of autists can't stand the sensations that certain fabrics cause them to have on their skin, which affects the clothing that they can wear.
Some autists naturally speak in a monotone voice, lack variation in speech when it comes to tone, pitch, and accent, either have difficulty with or are incapable of distinguishing voice tones, and either have difficulty with or are incapable of verbally & facially conveying their emotions in ways that don't come off as exaggerated and cartoonish.
Some high-functioning autists(AKA aspies) are so high-functioning that a normal person would have to spend a lot of time with them to notice any of their autism symptoms. Some high-functioning autists and some medium-functioning autists(For example, Raymond Babbitt from the movie 'Rain Man'.) have what is called Savant Syndrome, which makes it so that they are much more skilled in memory, math, art, music, and/or spatial skills than a normal person.
For more information on autism, check out these webpages:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_spectrum.
www.iidc.indiana.edu/irca/articles/social-communication-and-language-characteristics.
www.spectrumnews.org/features/deep-dive/when-autistic-people-commit-sexual-crimes/.
For more information on prosopagnosia, watch these:
czcams.com/video/3-MzNPcEh6M/video.html.
czcams.com/video/XcgK_7kQUwQ/video.html.
My sister only likes black guys so I can see what you saying about the whole racism thing
I’m glad the proud family is getting the chance to talk more about what’s happening in the world, the episode where maya’s father realizes how his race had a history in slavery was a good episode
@@92JazzQueen yeah that too. I feel like next season we need an episode on the wizard being too rich to see how he’s still black kinda like what the boys did a train
And the issue was that its Canon that the town is in Southern California
Nah i wish Zoey was in the right that the guy just liked her instead of her friends being right that he likes her cause she's white. If they wanted the friends to be right there should have been more hints instead of them just saying it and getting upset at Zoey for no reason
I notice Noah likes girls that are not fans of him or fangirls of him, maybe that is one of the traits that he is attracted to of not date someone that already has parasocial feelings towards him. Also some of Zoeys friends, already have boyfriends or currently dating one, dose that make them cheaters in a sense. Also some of Zoeys friends r being hypocrites as well of like they are more attracted to a lighter skinned poc that is Noah than be loyal to their darker poc babes.
This is way better than those “slavery didn’t make America” videos, because we can list all the things that slaves did during the plantations and all that anytime, but just like you, doesn’t live up to the first and original The Proud Family.
I don’t feel like this show represents Gen-Z in a way that The Proud Family did which at the time represented the Millennials, but it did touch on some current topics that I saw more and more in the late 2010s and early 2020s, like Black country and Native country, the 2 gay dads with an amazing chemistry, the return of Lacienega’s Flintstone feet in the olympics, a grouchy business woman that Michael was working with was in secret a dog lover and so on.
I feel like people are taking the last episode and making it into something more offensive than what it is not. I do feel like they need to turn that down a little, because I felt 2020 repeating itself all over again and made me not like the ending of season 2 for what it was.
I feel this because in high school all my friends would question my taste for Latina woman over black woman
Wow this is very well researched and smart.
Y’know, I wish I got 2 c positive autistic representation as a kid. As someone who had an invisible autism as a kid - an autism that nobody ever identified but was evident & prevailing my entire life - I wish I would’ve seen explanations of what it is. Even though, I’d argue, Louder & Prouder is roughly teaching university 101 concepts, their on-the-noseness with adult topics teaches adolescents a lot. I needed 2 know about my expression of autism bc no 1 ever told me. Though, unfortunately, the show doesn’t portray the autism I exhibit, I’m happy there was a positive depiction … regardless of it hitting patronising tropes.
Disney wants to avoid being like Boondocks ...and just capitalism on anything that looks like it would make them money with many families. However now seen as "woke" where conservatives often robot brain (not knowing how to define such themselves without prejudicial stereotyping groups of people, or being hypocrites) Disney may have lost that money. Likely though those types wanted to keep Song of the South and the ride open as traditions to be proud of among other such things Disney as a whole rather forget.
Capitalism on such things as PC ideas may give motivation for some in the end of it, and avoiding the bigger issues that are more controversial than this to get real points across often seem an issue.
Conformity almost cult likeness and rushed broken robot recordings of repetition will often be more on issues where none of these shows will be completely timeless treasures as much as just fading echoes through history.
I do wish better however for future generations.
I'm so happy about how you explained the poetry episode. Other critics don't watch the full episode, and so there's no context for them to build upon. You're probably the only critic I've seen that didn't start using stereotypes as well 👏👏
Ten episodes is too short.
Do a video on helluva boss
I have an older brother who has autism. He is very high on the autism spectrum. Now the superpower bit at 12:30 was necessary because it symbolized for me that when you give your child the resources to be a better, more powerful version of themselves. My brother is super strong and caring. As his little sister, he alway been my superhero. ❤
They should really learn in school the real history and how it really happen and how every history being American and I really wanted here a little more Latinos side as well the kids are born America and you really don’t know that side that story at all
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I don't think it would have been appropriate for the topic that the show was trying to go for. Ok, I don't think appropriate was the right word, hopefully you get what I mean. Yes, black people WEREN'T the only ones who have went through subjugation, but since most the crew WAS BLACK, we wouldn't know how they would have represented the other races and what they went through. The black perspective is all you need when you have the source. Not one source can state all the facts unless everyone of every race was involved and the cast was the same. You gotta think of perspective rather than just facts.
This is full of lies.
Oh, you again. UUUUUUGGGGHGGHHGGG 💀
@@WolfgangXP65-67 I don't even know who your are.
@@huguesdepayens807 I literally was arguing with you on Mad munchkin's video (I don't remember if I contributed anything 😂)
@@WolfgangXP65-67 I still don't remember you.
Wow this is very well researched and smart.